If anyone is looking for a proof carbon .308 for their AX give me a shout. Letting go of my extra one for dirt cheap.
Real talk. Is it a crime if I buy the AT-X chassis and threw a custom action in it?
@BurtG throws all kinds of actions in AI chassis and posts them here
It’s not a crime
But it’s not a true AI if that matters
Lol thanks. Been between like the AT-X and maybe the Vision/combo@BurtG throws all kinds of actions in AI chassis and posts them here
It’s not a crime
But it’s not a true AI if that matters
God if it’s between the Vision Pro chassis or the ATX chassis - get the Vision.
@HKSniper11B
Since nobody has responded to your comment yet... Here we go:
milsurps.com is the best place to find info and some decent photos of L96A1s and PMs online. royalarmouries.org also has some good photos. Holts Auctioneers also hold some good quality photos of AIs that pass their way.
Mainstream PMs and L96A1s are identical actions but as a complete rifle, they are slightly different in terms of barrel, muzzle devices, and probably some other subtle differences. The earlier PMs had different stocks/chassis and also magazines. Prototype/test PMs had different firing pin+shroud assemblies, but otherwise generally the same.
I have only ever seen one other photo of a PM/L96A1 with pistol grip. The caption with that photo stated that a small European country had ordered them.
"ABL" likely refers to ABL as in the Belgian Army.
Interestingly enough, that exact rifle came up for sale on Holts last year: https://www.holtsauctioneers.com/asp/fullcatalogue.asp?salelot=A1123+++1155+&refno=210176&image=0
It is a fully pledged AW rifle, although apart from the cutouts for the action-mounted safety, the PM/L96A1 action bodies aren't actually any different to a AW. There are in fact AWs that were built by converting L96s.
Finally, the only official civilian AI rifle that uses the same actions as the PM/L96A1s are the very early UIT (pre-ISSF) 300m target rifles and NRA (UK) target rifles (think Palma rifle). They usually came in Walther wooden stocks, but some of the very last ones were built on Anschutz Supermatch stocks. Steve Houghton's book suggests that some rejected/prototype PM/L96A1 actions or complete actions waiting to be built into sniper rifles were repurposed into UIT CISM rifles by Malcolm Cooper, unbeknownst to the two other business partners. I have never seen a CISM rifle using the PM/L96A1 action before except in a brochure, but CISM rifles using the later Coopermatch action are more common. I have a UIT Standard Rifle and hope to add the others into my collection at some point.
No, but it's not a "real" AI
I'm in a similar boat, I won a free Kelblys action cert at a recent match and now have a Prometheus on order which will need a stock. I am considering a foundation centurion or a ATX chassis. Leaning towards a sage green ATX chassis.
The AI is a system. I personally prefer the bonded old school AI.
I like many things about my AIAT’s. I’ve also owned the AXMC and ATX as well.
The double stack stagger feed mags are one of the best parts of the system. Super smooth feeding and ability to load in the rifle if needed
I tried AICS chassis on other guns. Like the AT chassis on a R700 platform. I didn’t care for it at all. Fed very rough compared to my actual AI’s. Used single stack AICS mags and the 90° bolt throw took away a lot of the “feel” of the AI action
On my other rifles like my Tikka I run a KRG bravo. My B14R which is R700 platform I prefer the MPA and MDT chassis’s I’ve used over the AI
It’s just one man’s opinion but I like the AI system…if that makes sense. For aftermarket AICS chassis systems I prefer others. Not to mention the mdt and MPA or KRG accessories can be found much cheaper and have more options
I’m not saying if one is better than the other. But I think for a different action I’d try mdt, MPA or even Cadex based on my past experiences
But AIAT mafia for the win!
I like many things about my AIAT’s. I’ve also owned the AXMC and ATX as well.
The double stack stagger feed mags are one of the best parts of the system. Super smooth feeding and ability to load in the rifle if needed
I tried AICS chassis on other guns. Like the AT chassis on a R700 platform. I didn’t care for it at all. Fed very rough compared to my actual AI’s. Used single stack AICS mags and the 90° bolt throw took away a lot of the “feel” of the AI action
On my other rifles like my Tikka I run a KRG bravo. My B14R which is R700 platform I prefer the MPA and MDT chassis’s I’ve used over the AI
It’s just one man’s opinion but I like the AI system…if that makes sense. For aftermarket AICS chassis systems I prefer others. Not to mention the mdt and MPA or KRG accessories can be found much cheaper and have more options
I’m not saying if one is better than the other. But I think for a different action I’d try mdt, MPA or even Cadex based on my past experiences
But AIAT mafia for the win!
These threads on MilSurps are absolutely incredible. I owe you a drink for this mate. Thank you.
For the rest of you, read this, and check the other links in it.
That milsurp site needs some work, 2003 called wants its internet back
(I am sure it is filled with info)
(I am sure it is filled with info)
I am also opposed to using a R700 action in an AT or AX chassis. One: it can look like like one is trying too hard (even though that may not be the intention); two: I think the actual ergos of the AX and AT aren’t as good as my KRG W3.
As far as “feel”, my Tikka with a Sterk handle damn near feels like my AT.
Except it’s smoother and easier to open/close the bolt lol.
No “bank vault-like lockup” however on the Tikka.
I like mine as well. My CTR is probably as close as I’ll come to buying a Sako. If a person wants a good quality rifle with several options closer to an AI than say a R700 or savage the tikka isn’t a bad way to go. I really like the 10 round mags for the CTR as well. But they’re more $$ than an AIAW mag.
I like the bravo on mine. But I also like the thumbhole AI’s best as well. I prefer them to a chassis
KRG Bravo (Sako green obviously) + Tikka + Sterk is a poor man's AI/TRG.
And probably the closest we will ever get to a 223 AT/AW.
I was thinking the same thing looking at that tikka/223/krg thread that’s going on. I’d be rolling this route if I decided to buy a dedicated 223 bolt gun for long range
For me it would have to be the CTR. I have other tikka’s and the mags between the T3X and T1X I have vs the CTR aren’t even close. I don’t have an issue with them but those ctr mags are what helps that platform elevate in my opinion
I think the tikka action looks really slick in the AI chassis. It's definitely nicer than a 700 in one. Almost like it belongs
I’d spec it the same as the 308 in my above pic. Probably a longer barrel. However I don’t have a use for one. I have other 223’s and precision AR’s in 223 wylde that I don’t use.
When I’m not running the 308 or 260 AI’s I’ve been playing with my B14R
Well bad news it seems the discontinued the 223 CTR in the US. Beretta being Beretta
You smoke a deer yet with my old AI?!
Not yet. The OG has been stacking them
I have a bolt at black canyon being converted for WSM. It’ll be killing deer next year as a 300 WSM
Any Tikka can be a CTR Tikka with a CTR mag and the right stock (plus the temp removal of that little spring).
I own a CTR Bravo with 223 & 204 barrels. Just ordered the X-ray rear end as I will get along with that better (W3 owner).
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The amount of tikka cope in this page.
(I like tikkas too)
Some of us are Poors due to certain situations and Tikkas work for the time being until we can once again have an AI
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I love the CTR magazines too, feed like butter in all cartridges I've used.
Unlike many custom actions and AICS mags I've seen at matches.
How hard is it to swap them barrels on the Tikka? What did you do strip down a 223 action?
It’s almost as if company-manufactured platforms, AI + AW / Tikka + CTR, work better than a bunch of things cobbled together.
Whoulda thunk it?
-Stan
What would you like to know? I try to keep this thread on AI related items mostly but
My most accurate one wears a WOA 18 SPR barrel. Among Geissele ssa-E trigger and forend etc. She’s a tack driver with Hornady steel match ammo.
Needed a new mount, so I picked up one of the newer 419 one pieces. Pretty happy with it so far. Seem like quality rings.
I like how they leave the inner part of the rings raw; which is smart because the coating always wear out under recoil, and the raw material has better surface mating with the scope body. I have one of those sitting for the next project.
i was referring to a mental state rather than financial; oh trust me, i am in those “some of you” group very often
I've heard a few times that the AXMC mag adapter (P/N: 27268) sucks but never why. Is there a lot of slop when it is in the gun with a mag? Is it just annoying to have to keep track of another part? Does it not feed? If so, what sort of malfunctions occur?
Maybe others will have more info. When I had my axmc it ran 100% with the mag adaptor in, but it was just another piece of the kit to keep track of. Not a huge issue, I had a spot to keep it with the mags, but nonetheless it was another thing to lose.
Never have had an issue with mine running 6.5CM. It clips in like a bank vault meaning there is zero play whatsoever. As another poster commented, it’s just another piece of kit to keep track of. Other than that, it works flawlessly. That is why I said earlier in this thread that if I was starting from scratch I would get the newer ASR mags because that would alleviate the need to even have an extra piece of kit to keep track of. The mags work in the adaptor flawlessly from my experience and I have 5 308 mags that I alternate between.
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AXMC doesn’t need the adapter. The new mags are made the same as the AXSR mags and require no adapter
At least the mags I used for 6.5 in my AXMC
If you want to share short action mags with another rifle then the adapter would be needed. But there’s specific short action round mags made for the platform that I used
I know it doesn’t need an adapter. I already have the mags and the adapter and it functions flawlessly. If I didn’t have everything already I would just get the ASR mags. Just don’t see the need to get rid of what I got when it functions as intended.
I was more informing anyone reading this as it was stated above they heard it sucks and one more part to loose
Just informing that it’s an unneeded part in todays AXMC mags
Ok. Misunderstood what you were getting at. Agreed. Buying now, skip the adapter just buy the ASR mags and you are good to go.
