I measure concentricity when setting up but not every round. Both brass neck and bullet runout. Only know what my presses have done and it’s all I need.
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Area 419 Zero Press vs SCA Nexus Press
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I measure concentricity when setting up but not every round. Both brass neck and bullet runout. Only know what my presses have done and it’s all I need.
Actually, the ZERO does have a slight bit of cam-over.
LOL. Wrong again. It has some flex in the bottom if you allow it. They call it a "spring stop."
And 419 literally says their press does not have a cam over. Cam over is completely different than the Zero.
Most any testing done has shown concentricity matters almost zero.
I have a Zero press and a couple of turrets. The Zero isn't the most expensive press I own. I like it and would buy it again.
Man I had no idea there was an ignore button. Definitely just used it for his sorry a**. He really is a piece of work.
You’re arguing with Mr500Got all that money wrapped up in a “shop” and reloading and still mid pack? But we are the idiots for buying a 1200 dollar press lmao cope and seethe my guy.
Inb4 blah blah show up to a 2 day match and 1v1 me, you don’t even shoot prs
Instead of being so insufferable and going on useless rants on the internet, go touch grass and shoot a little more.
He’s borderline tarded and a joke on this site
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Oh they call it "spring stop"... My bad.
No, they don't just "call it" that. Cam over is a very specific thing. The Zero press does not have that feature. It just has a bit of flex if you don't set it up to hard stop.
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I set mine up to have the tiniest amount of spring flex, just before the stops, but enough flex to hit the stops without much effort so as not to damage anything or prematurely wear the arms/ram. Then I know it’s consistent when it hits the stops every time.
I honestly haven't made up my mind on movement past hard stop. Whether it's actual cam over or if it's just flex and such after.
I understand the logic behind it, just not completely sure if it matters. I'm sure like most things, it just depends.
I like my zero press a lot. I had issues with the Forster Co-Ax giving inconsistent shoulder bumps that was eliminated when I switched to the Zero.
I can’t give an honest assessment between the Zero and Nexus just because I haven’t experienced the Nexus. Though the Nexus seems to have similar conveniences as the co-ax while being better built and improved features.
I also seat a lot of my rounds now with the SAC Infinity APS.
I can’t give an honest assessment between the Zero and Nexus just because I haven’t experienced the Nexus. Though the Nexus seems to have similar conveniences as the co-ax while being better built and improved features.
I also seat a lot of my rounds now with the SAC Infinity APS.
What kept me from getting a zero is having to lock it back in every time you change dies by turning the turret. I don't have to do that with my Lyman and it's taken a little bit of work (not much) but it has zero movement and I dot have to lock it in, I just turn the turret and it's good to go.
I ordered a coax for the helluva but it's getting returned. The build quality is nowhere near the Zero.
Not saying I make better ammo with the Zero by any stretch but there's just something about having a quality machine.
Not saying I make better ammo with the Zero by any stretch but there's just something about having a quality machine.
Also, I’ve had zero issues with the 419 locking rings personally.
Has anyone heard if SAC is planning on an adapter that allows the Nexus to function as a press for in-line seating dies? Since SAC is coming out with their own in-line seater, it make sense, but I have not heard if they plan on that capability.
Really? My old gunsmith and I both had issues with headspace consistency with the Co-Ax.
SACs Inline seater is already out.
I would not switch from my zero to a nexus. They both essentially operate as a single stage. I couldn’t see any particular benefit of going with the nexus. Probably similar result if you went with the nexus, no reason to get a zero.
These “it does nothing better” replies were hashed out back when the zero was announced. DThomas said it best, it was to the effect of: “I like pulling the handle more on my zero than any other press and I do that a bunch of times…”
Having owned one for a while now, I’m in that camp. It’s efficient, it’s effective, I like using it, looks nice on my bench, my ammo is only bad when I screw up. My equipment is on point. I don’t care what the best bench rest guy does or the local PRS pro shooter…
The only upgrade I’d go with and will definitely do in the future is a 650 or 750. Good luck on your choice, all the major common presses are legit and will do just fine. But if you’re asking me the zero is good to go and I would not switch to the nexus.
The thing that appeals to me about the nexus is how small it is, and how the primers dispense, though I think I'd like the zero as well. I may end up with both if I see a sweet deal on a zero press, who knows. Kind of ridiculous to care what kind of press another man uses though.
That's the funny part. These threads area always just people arguing over why their non preferred luxury item isn't worth the price......while they also own several luxury items that others wouldn't feel is worth the price.
I know this is an old comment but I just have to ask... You say "look at what Benchrest shooters use.... it's not the Zero or the Nexus". Can you think of one BIG HUGE reason why they're not using the Nexus? I can.
Hehe…yeah, they aren’t shipping yet? lolI know this is an old comment but I just have to ask... You say "look at what Benchrest shooters use.... it's not the Zero or the Nexus". Can you think of one BIG HUGE reason why they're not using the Nexus? I can.
whyI know this is an old comment but I just have to ask... You say "look at what Benchrest shooters use.... it's not the Zero or the Nexus". Can you think of one BIG HUGE reason why they're not using the Nexus? I can.
I’m assuming it’s because they’re going to release 1 inch dies. So they are attempting to keep everybody in their own ecosystem.
i'll be buying a nexus on top of my zero. I personally never got good runout numbers with my zero, I think the nexus will completely resolve that. My shoulder bump on the zero is insanely impressive though.
Interesting. everbody was saying the press was preet reasonably priced. But maybe we haven't seen the 'proprietary' die prices, yet? Lets hope they are doing more with less vs 1.25 vs just overbuilding 7/8 dies.
actual measured runout on my ammo/brass. I just was never able to get uber minimal runout. I think a more floating system like the nexus will be much more forgiving in this aspect.
Just my 2 cents.
The term “runout” IMO gets over used and I believe primarily relates to errors in rotational machining.
What I meant by my question is where you saw excessive deviance….shoulder bump, seating depth (CBTO), bullet cocked off of centerline, something else?
I’m not trying to give you a hard time, just trying to clearly understand where the Zero disappointed you.
Cheers
What I meant by my question is where you saw excessive deviance….shoulder bump, seating depth (CBTO), bullet cocked off of centerline, something else?
I’m not trying to give you a hard time, just trying to clearly understand where the Zero disappointed you.
Cheers
I have excellent runout with my Zero press and SAC sizing dies and then the the SAC APS seater.
again, my shoulder bump is absolutely spot on everytime. i just kinda assumed this press + good dies = perfect "rotational" runout on my brass, and that hasn't been my experience.
i still get good numbers, but not almost perfect like i kinda expected, maybe i need to neck turn my brass to get better numbers, idk. i will have to pick up a nexus and do a comparison to see.
I understand *wanting* that kind of performance - especially given what we pay for some of these toys i.e. Zero, Nexus, etc. - but can you actually shoot the difference on target, to where it's anything more than a mental safety blanket?
i like my ammo to be perfect as possible, just helps eliminate another variable in mind, but you are right it probably cannot be proven on target, and it has been proven in many instances that is the case.
I was hesitant for a long time to spend “Zero” money on a press. I had a T7 and went through several different sets of dies trying to get consistent bump on fired brass. I finally spent the money and I honestly wish I had done it sooner. I know I could have done the same with a rock chucker but the Zero is next level nice imo. It’s smooth and a pleasure to use. 419’s M series dies are in a league of their own. I know they are extremely expensive but after using them and seeing the performance gain and timed saved I would pay double for one if I had to. I think you get what you pay for in this arena…. Some guys like nice shit. I haven’t had an issue with the lock rings but I noticed right away that you don’t need to tighten them the same way you do other style presses. Snug does the trick here. Imo there isn’t a better option on the market except for a Automated 750…
My 2 cents
My 2 cents
A couple of the sweet trophies last weekend
Cool trophies, but give them to the people that paid full price months ago with a 30% cancellation fee.
FYI, just got shipping notice for at least one of the two Nexus we ordered.
I have a Zero but honestly, have gone back to doing most brass prep on my XL 750 for efficiency. I get more done with every pull of the handle.
I agree that a press like the Zero is not necessary but it is a beautiful tool that I enjoy using. If you like working with nice things - get one.
I didn't feel like it was a major expense but, its only money. If that makes some angry, then fire away.
Given that @Rio Precision Gunworks is in "the business," I'm guessing they ordered well before anyone else did.
The Zero and Nexus both seem pricey for what they do on a tier two budget.
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It holds 0.1g and the Lee powder drop also holds 0.1g .
Does the powder dispenser you are using keep up with the Dillon at better than 0.1g ?
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So it appears you like automation but dont use the powder drop from dillon.
I get it set and come back a week later, empty 2 powder dumps, test two and it never changes.
It holds 0.1g and the Lee powder drop also holds 0.1g .
Does the powder dispenser you are using keep up with the Dillon at better than 0.1g ?
Correct - I run automated for precision rifle ammo. I run stick powder within 0.02 gr using dual Ingenuity Precision setups.
This would not be possible with my powder hopper (Dramworx + polished internals + Uniquetek modification + baffles). My hopper is used for bulk 223 and pistol rounds.
Ordered it just like a normal customer at full price. January 23, 2024 @ 0753.
Will always qualify stuff like this if we had inside or dealer track or something similar. On this particular transaction, we did not.
Will always qualify stuff like this if we had inside or dealer track or something similar. On this particular transaction, we did not.
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