Area 419 Zero Press vs SCA Nexus Press
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Jk... Universal inline seating die I've made. Can load any short action caliber on the nexus, just swap a couple inserts and adjust the micrometer. That pic was after loading 6BRA. Did 7-6.5prcw last night.
Don’t know. But many bad reviews about the Lee and Hornady ones.
To me, that’s the main advantage of the coax or nexus. Very fast die chances ( after a onetime setup) .
May I ask please what is the issue in changing shell holders (aside from cost). Is it somehow a PIA to get to for a change or...???
Got it ..
wasn’t sure if you’re saying that the Nexus area 419 is going to have tolerance stacking, as I would think those would be very accurately machined parts with their die holders
In comparing my Forster Co-Ax to Nexus, with the Co-Ax, there's no changing needed when I go from a .308 case to a 6.5 PRC (Magnum base) case.
With the Nexus, changing the case/shell holder I have to loosen the primer tube to release the holder assembly, pull the holder out the back side and insert the other holder, then secure the holder assembly with the primer tube. That's a hassle, IMHO. I guess I'm just used to Co-Ax where I don't have to do anything.
For the Nexus, I would think that just like how the dies are held in the case holder assembly could be held in place in the same manner where it could just be popped in and out and needed.
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Yea. If you're bench mounting the press, you have to mount it pretty close to the edge of the bench in order to get the handle to travel all the way down. Because of bracing, I can't drill a hole in my bench to access the primer drop tube or retention screw. Right now I can't decap on the nexus and my shell holder assembly isn't secured, it works fine just have to make sure you don't push it back when setting cases in the shellholder. So I either need to build a new bench, or accept not decapping and having a loose shellholder assy. A good option is an elevated mount like an ultramount but I don't really like them, I like having my brass, bullets, case trays, etc all at the same level.In comparing my Forster Co-Ax to Nexus, with the Co-Ax, there's no changing needed when I go from a .308 case to a 6.5 PRC (Magnum base) case.
With the Nexus, changing the case/shell holder I have to loosen the primer tube to release the holder, pull the holder out the back side and insert the other holder, then secure the holder with the primer tube. That's a hassle, IMHO. I guess I'm just used to Co-Ax where I don't have to do anything.
For the Nexus, I would think that just like how the dies are held in the case holder assembly could be held in place in the same manner where it could just be popped in and out and needed.
@straightshooter1 @3rdfocal
So the primer drop tube positively secures the shell holder...do I understand that right? So, without it the shell holder can be shifted out of place?
As for me...I don't have either the 419 or Nexus press but I do currently use Inline elevated mount and I'm kind of fine with it. Seems like if that is acceptable (and that's certainly personal prerogative) it sort of removes this obstacle, yeah? Cause of framing I too can't mount a press right at the edge of my benches.
Thanks for the responses guys.
The primer drop tune secures the shell holder assembly. Without it, the whole assembly can easily move backwards when inserting a case into the holder. Note: shell holder rests on top of the concave disk to assist in alignment of the case for concentricity.@straightshooter1 @3rdfocal
So the primer drop tube positively secures the shell holder...do I understand that right? So, without it the shell holder can be shifted out of place?
As for me...I don't have either the 419 or Nexus press but I do currently use Inline elevated mount and I'm kind of fine with it. Seems like if that is acceptable (and that's certainly personal prerogative) it sort of removes this obstacle, yeah? Cause of framing I too can't mount a press right at the edge of my benches.
Thanks for the responses guys.
See the small spring loaded ball bearings that loosely holds the dies in place. This kind of thing could be used to hole the shell holder assembly firmly in place for much easier shell holder exchanges.
Can't you just make a plate out of solid wood or metal that will move the press our an inch or two, or whatever is needed and keep it pretty close to bench height with your other components? Uou could even make a big section of wood that protruded out from the bench edge and had room to sit your brass and bullets on as well if you wanted to???
Yea, a sheet of 3/4 ply would probably be a pretty simple solution to get it out a few inches and clear the drop tube. I may actually do that.
If I wanted to build stuff I’d be a GC or something, guy.
The spring ball detent would be brilliant for the shell holder assy.
Until he said that I thought they had one in it already just like the die holder piece
Nah it's held in by a set screw or the primer drop tube only accessible from the bottom (under the bench). That part is a little annoying. Aside from that, the press is super nice.
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I will check again when I’m back home, but I thought that the square shell holder is hold in place by the 2 stops that are missing in the above picture?
It's only held by the drop tube where screwed up into the case holder assembly (there's no set screws).
And yes, it's a "super nice" reloading press. It'd better be for that kind of $$$$$.
I just read the instructions online at work, we are both rightIt's only held by the drop tube where screwed up into the case holder assembly (there's no set screws).
And yes, it's a "super nice" reloading press. It'd better be for that kind of $$$$$.
You can use the press without the primer tube installed. In this case the two cam over blocks have to be in the recessed holes behind the shell holder assembly.Drop tube OR set screw.It's only held by the drop tube where screwed up into the case holder assembly (there's no set screws).
And yes, it's a "super nice" reloading press. It'd better be for that kind of $$$$$.
The drop tube will screw up from the bottom into the case holder assembly. If one doesn't want to use the drop tube, a "set screw" can take the place of the drop tube in that hole to lock the assembly into place. That would be an even bigger hassle for changing case holders.
No tube or screw needed to hold the shell holder in place. The screw was only for shipping.
It's the assembly that holds the shell holder that needs the tube to keep it in place. Otherwise, the assembly moves back when inserting a case, unless slow special care is taken when inserting the case.
You do not want to read SAC instructions or don’t understand them, fine with me. Just sad that you give advice…..
I keep my dies in tackle boxes for that specific caliber that way I can keep all the comparators, bushings, mandrel, Giraud holder, and other things all together for that’s specific caliber together.
I apologies for not understanding what you were saying. . . and for, apparently, not reading all that you wrote in post #216.
Those two unused hard stop discs do indeed hold the case holder assembly in place. So, one doesn't have utilize the drop tube hole at all.I haven't read the instructions since I first got the press.
You know how that usually goes??? Thanks for your effort and patience.
Given that the stops will hold the assembly, for me, it's still the same hassle to change out the shell holder compared to using my Forster Co-Ax.
SAC had a restock of presses today so I grabbed one. I have a 419, using SAC dies, and I just can't get any shoulder bump on my 300PRC. I suspect it's as simple as cam-over as the die works fine in my Co-Ax, but that's probably a discussion for another thread. I'm looking forward to the Nexus.
Interesting! I don't doubt your experience but my Zero Press with the Area 419 shellholder system and Hornady Match grade die bumps very consistently!
I have the 419 shellholders, but the cartridge just doesn't go far enough into the die to bump the shoulder. Putting in a Co-Ax adds a tad extra to the stroke and it works fine. Anyways, I'm not taking a $400 die to a machine shop to lathe off an eighth, I bought the Nexus instead.
So if i am understanding this correctly You are not getting shellholder to bottom of die contact with the Ram all the way up?I have the 419 shellholders, but the cartridge just doesn't go far enough into the die to bump the shoulder. Putting in a Co-Ax adds a tad extra to the stroke and it works fine. Anyways, I'm not taking a $400 die to a machine shop to lathe off an eighth, I bought the Nexus instead.
In my simple mind, shell holder to die contact should be the same on any press.
Now, my 419 press with one of my SAC dies does not bump the shoulder with all the shims in and the fattest shell holder spacer from 419. I’m considering taking a few thousandths off the die. The rounds still chamber with a slightly firm bolt close for now.
Now, my 419 press with one of my SAC dies does not bump the shoulder with all the shims in and the fattest shell holder spacer from 419. I’m considering taking a few thousandths off the die. The rounds still chamber with a slightly firm bolt close for now.
No, there is contact between shellholder and die. The 419's ram goes to a hard mechanical stop at the top of the stroke, no cam-over. You can simply turn down any die until it contacts the shellholder. The 419 also has shellholders with differing lip heights to add or subtract in .002 increments. The SAC die works fine in my Co-Ax and a Whidden works fine in the 419 so, probably tolerances and the lack of cam-over (IMHO).
I, and I know several others, who have exactly the same issue.
Correct I am aware of how the system works. This isn't the first time I have seen SAC Dies not bump shoulders in the Zero press. I wonder if there is a possibility 419 will come out with more (thicker) shellholder shims.
Contact is contact, but the issue could be more towards the SAC die and how the body was cut.
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Screw your die in a little further. We note this specifically in die setup videos but it is often overlooked.
TO INSTALL:
1) Ram in the up position
2) Screw die all the way down
3) Drop the ram
4) Screw in 1/4 additional turn
And then size. This should get you very close to where you need to be.
Again, many people will stop after the first two steps.
If you've done this, shoot an email to info@area419.com and will see if there may be something else going on.
TO INSTALL:
1) Ram in the up position
2) Screw die all the way down
3) Drop the ram
4) Screw in 1/4 additional turn
And then size. This should get you very close to where you need to be.
Again, many people will stop after the first two steps.
If you've done this, shoot an email to info@area419.com and will see if there may be something else going on.
I think you will be very happy with the Nexus. I've found that I'm using it more since receiving it (from my Zero, which isn't bad at all).
I hope so! Also ordered the InLine Bench plate for it.
Will give my feedback here after some use
Will give my feedback here after some use
Looking slick!
Only thing which sucks is that I had to pay $88 shipping fees for a $44 plate, but heh, it is what it is.
Still wondering if I'll drill the primer tube hole in my bench or if I'll hang the press a little bit over the bench.
Guess the best thing would be to drill the bench so the plate as the maximum amount of surface contact with the bench.
Only thing which sucks is that I had to pay $88 shipping fees for a $44 plate, but heh, it is what it is.
Still wondering if I'll drill the primer tube hole in my bench or if I'll hang the press a little bit over the bench.
Guess the best thing would be to drill the bench so the plate as the maximum amount of surface contact with the bench.
Yeah but you probably have good baguettes all the time…Looking slick!
Only thing which sucks is that I had to pay $88 shipping fees for a $44 plate, but heh, it is what it is.
Please, what is the benefit of the Inline mounting plate vice just bolting it to a bench? Thanks.
With the plate there's plenty of surface contact when mounted past the edge of the bench for the primer tube hole. I just didn't like having it stick out, as that was always an issue for me when I hand my Forster Co-Ax mounted there.Looking slick!
Only thing which sucks is that I had to pay $88 shipping fees for a $44 plate, but heh, it is what it is.
Still wondering if I'll drill the primer tube hole in my bench or if I'll hang the press a little bit over the bench.
Guess the best thing would be to drill the bench so the plate as the maximum amount of surface contact with the bench.
For me, it was mostly the location of the bolts, where on my bench the back holes were lining up with the wall of the base cabinet. Then I also like that the plate adds more leverage to hold everything very firm.
My Nexus arrived today and my Inline Fab quick change plate will arrive Monday.
For our French friend, I was at NATO AB Geilenkirchen in 1984 when we were having field exercises. The French deployed a Roland mobile surface to air missile battery but we didn't know where they located. Simple fix, we followed our noses as they brought a field kitchen and were continually baking fresh bread.
Now, back to regular programming...
For our French friend, I was at NATO AB Geilenkirchen in 1984 when we were having field exercises. The French deployed a Roland mobile surface to air missile battery but we didn't know where they located. Simple fix, we followed our noses as they brought a field kitchen and were continually baking fresh bread.
Now, back to regular programming...
Been reading some of this thread with amusement and was curious... You posted this in February so what decision did you make?
The inline fab quick change plate arrived early so I put together the new Nexus today. My SN is 336 and for some reason I find that to be a good number.
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