"Yeah its mostly bullshit, but really, you should take your statin."
And don't forget your G-23 Paxilon Hydrochlorate.
And don't forget your G-23 Paxilon Hydrochlorate.
Board Doc's, what say you?
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Or maybe I missed the point entirely. I probably did. Perhaps the point was that the OP does not want to take a statin and expects to find like-minded people here that will reassure him that he has some support in the shooting community for his choice to defy his doctors recommendations.
If that is the case, by all means, let me know, and I will sign off because I am trying to bring some actual expertise to bear because I thought, perhaps mistakenly, that that is what was wanted
If that is the case, by all means, let me know, and I will sign off because I am trying to bring some actual expertise to bear because I thought, perhaps mistakenly, that that is what was wanted
YouTube links are not considered credible evidence.Dr Nadir Ali is a cardiologist and is as transparent as they come about his opposition to statins for absolutely everyone
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In order to be rational, the strength of one’s beliefs must be proportional to the strength of the evidence supporting them.
You can go online and find some random Tom Dick or Harry, even if he is a doctor promoting all sorts of rubbish if you have motivation to believe a certain thing rather than motivation to find the truth
So that is something else that everyone can learn from this thread: if somebody is trying to convince you of something with a link to YouTube or some guys personal website (especially if he is promoting something or has advertising or anything to sell) rather than primary data from legitimate trusted sites like the New England Journal of Medicine or the journal of the American medical Association or Lancit or the animals of internal medicine, you are probably seeing the effects of motivated reasoning - namely, somebody trying to convince you or himself of a specific viewpoint because he wants to believe it
another prob,for me anyway,is trusting the medical system as it is now. at least at the primary level. all is see is: type on the computer,write more scripts and send the bill,ignore or blow off any questioning of the nih,mic narrative. in ICU (in past don't know now) a through physical eval of pt and equipment was mandatory and really needed to be through cause something you didn't know could bite you in the ass. eg my lead level is elevated. found that when i insisted on heavy metal testing due to prev high merc levels secondary to eating a lot of fish in recent years. not even acknowledged when asking about follow up. had an ekg done with some other paid private testing. flipped T waves in 3/avf. i had to insist rather sharply on a 12 lead now v1 is flipped. dr seemed to have no clue that a flipped T is not a normal finding. have no chest or radiating pain ever. no esp SOB. notably increased fatigue. so,must try that practice group again or start shopping. the only doctors i trust anymore are ones i knew when they were residents 20+ years ago. after covid being pushed by the mainstream,trusting any dr about anything is a crap shoot.
Lancit? Animals of internal medicine? At least I can justify why I can't type anymore.
There is a reason why traditional allopathic medicine is being scrutinized. The damage done in the past four years will take decades to reverse and restore consumer/patient confidence.
find quackery? JAMA,lancet,nejm are very reliable sources of bought and paid for quackery. NIH is also a good source of lies about anything medical and for funding useless studies at tax payers expense. anyone who believes anything coming from the paid for vax pushers is a complete fool.
Talk about someone selling something....damn.
I've had quite enough of the "experts" in the last 4 years.
Yes, I'm throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Cause my cardiologist is selling the same old bullshit, and she should know better.
They knew what they would find before they did my tests, then they didn't find anything at all and now they want to do extensive lipid screens to see if they can "find a prescription" i need.
Meanwhile telling me the same old dietary line that has been proven bullshit time and again.
I eat lard and eggs and butter and meat and bacon grease and coconut oil and palm oil.
My cardiologist: "Your heart looks great but....you can't eat like that."
Yeah I know, cause someone might find out the lie.
I've had quite enough of the "experts" in the last 4 years.
Yes, I'm throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Cause my cardiologist is selling the same old bullshit, and she should know better.
They knew what they would find before they did my tests, then they didn't find anything at all and now they want to do extensive lipid screens to see if they can "find a prescription" i need.
Meanwhile telling me the same old dietary line that has been proven bullshit time and again.
I eat lard and eggs and butter and meat and bacon grease and coconut oil and palm oil.
My cardiologist: "Your heart looks great but....you can't eat like that."
Yeah I know, cause someone might find out the lie.
This brings up yet another good point. I don’t trust those “journals” at all. Not after the last 4 years of “the science” and how every mainstream news and medical outlet became some cheap whore for the worst offenders during covaids. So, we’ve got ourselves a little Mexican standoff. My gootube links aren’t good enough for you(even though I’m sure you totally already scrolled through and watched all of Dr Ali’s statin videos) and I don’t trust your appeal to authority. I’m at the point where I don’t trust any corporate anything and wish our fucking whore politicians hadn’t sold all of us out so many years ago.
So when Utah was about to be on the forefront in this country of treating Covid with hydroxychloroqine, and spent 800K for it,you came out and formally called it reckless and got the purchase rescinded.
I guess you prefer to intubate the patients instead, huh?
Utah went all-in on an unproven Covid-19 treatment, then scrambled to course-correct
Utah went all-in on hydroxychloroquine, and then scrambled to course-correct. The state's saga with the drugs is a case study of what happens when hope outpaces evidence.
www.statnews.com
It was only the beginning. “This smacks as irresponsible and even reckless,” Scott Aberegg of the University of Utah’s division of pulmonary and critical care medicine wrote to state health officials, adding there was “no credible data that support a recommendation for this drug for this indication.”
In Utah, criticism quickly built once the state’s $800,000 purchase came to light. Some state lawmakers questioned why taxpayer dollars were being spent on unproven drugs. On April 24, Herbert, the governor, said he did not know about the initial purchase and said the health department’s talks to buy another 200,000 treatment courses from Meds in Motion had “ceased.” The Salt Lake Tribune reported the state far overpaid for the drugs compared to other formulations of hydroxychloroquine, and that the state was not experiencing any shortages.
“It was never more than a questionable Covid-19 treatment, and Utahns were never at risk of running out of it,” the Tribune editorial board wrote on April 29. “But that didn’t stop state officials from making a purchase that far exceeded any known need in the state. … State political leaders have given money and license to shameless promoters of baseless medical claims.”
That day, Herbert announced Meds in Motion refunded the state its $800,000. “A state supply of chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine is no longer prudent,” the governor’s office said.
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So Scott, how many lives did removing easy access to HCQ early in Covid cost your fellow Utah citizens? How do you sleep at night?
Science, right.
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Of course they are generic NOW.
Their statin is cheap, so they can afford their new drugs to treat the myelin damage.
re journals. smartest guy i ever knew,about just about everything,happened to be a neurosurgeon. he said that he never changed or added anything in his practice til it hit the textbooks. he said they were often poor science,gain driven and often deliberate lies. this was 30+ years ago. see no evidence that things have changed from that insight.
I agree with you that mainstream medicine in terms of quality and satisfaction of patience is just a giant heap of shit right now
That is a completely different matter from whether or not you should take statins
And as I have said above, you should ask your doctor what your risk is, how much a statin is going to reduce it over that 10 year interval, and then decide for yourself if the cost an inconvenience of taking the statin for 10 years is worth the reduction in major cardiovascular events that you expect to get. If That is hard to ascertain (that is whether the cost and inconvenience is worth the risk reduction) compare the reduction in risk you get from other things such as motorcycle helmets or seatbelts which I have conveniently listed for you in the blog post linked above called billions and billions.
That’s all you gotta do. It’s just a value judgment whether a small reduction and cardiovascular events is worth it to you. It shouldn’t be a debate. It’s just a value judgment.
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I agree that the mainstream journals descended into complete madness during Covid, especially early on. I frankly quit reading the new England journal during that time for the first time since I started getting it over a quarter of a century ago.
But none of that has anything to do with statins
And the OP asked for doctors opinions on the boards. It just so happens that I am a certified expert in medical evidence appraisal with all of the credentials to back it up as you can see on my blog. I am also a gun guy and I am not some Raging liberal freaking out about viruses and masks or anything like that. I never got into those controversies. Statins are not controversial. They are simply a value judgment, and I have explained ad nauseam how one can make it and arrive at a valid conclusion, either way, so long as the judgment integrates the known data.
I hope that at least the OP has gotten something out of this
Of course they are generic NOW.
Their statin is cheap, so they can afford their new drugs to treat the myelin damage.
Lipitor went generic over a dozen years ago.
So NOW is kinda dated.
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I envy the Pharmacy guy above because he is doing far better than I just coming in with simple facts that really cannot be denied
And in so doing, he is very effective and exposing the motivated reasoning
And in so doing, he is very effective and exposing the motivated reasoning
Repatha (not my company) has outcomes data showing reduction in cardiovascular events with no safety issues.
Kinda compelling.
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Kinda compelling.
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Yes.
And NOW started in 2012.
But make no mistake, while it was branded the company made a metric fuckton of money.
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ask your dr? are you kidding? all the ones i have interacted with,as a patient, in the last 5 years push statins aggressively. that seems to be all they know how to do. they don't try to "explain" anything in the 10 min you are allotted. gotta get those scripts done and get the elect record done. BTW the electronic med record scam ruined nursing before i retired 13 years ago. and has now succeeded in destroying medicine as i knew it. i was there for the beginning of "protocol" practice in the ICU. made things easy and required no thinking. young docs learned how to write "electrolyte protocol" and got no clue how to really eval and manage lytes or much else.
What are healthy foods?
What is exercise?
What do the doctors say?
Are they correct?
Rhetorical questions so....yeah.
Yes and they "shortly" started making shit tons on designer drugs for nerve damage and funky diseases we've never even heard of before the statins became the new Pez candy.
Honestly, the best advice I have seen is to only eat things that your grandmother would have eaten in the 1940s or 1950s before we had all of this processed food. And don’t eat so much of it that you get super fat
Exercise would be some cardiovascular stuff like walking, running hiking or biking or swimming or running around in a PRS match combined with some resistance stuff like weightlifting or carrying a wheelbarrow or bailing hay or whatever
Exercise would be some cardiovascular stuff like walking, running hiking or biking or swimming or running around in a PRS match combined with some resistance stuff like weightlifting or carrying a wheelbarrow or bailing hay or whatever
OK, I will concede you this, I don’t think they’re ever going to to have an effective drug for Alzheimer’s disease, Arocept doesn’t do diddly shit (else they would be overdosing Biden on it and he wouldn’t be eating his words like a tossed salad) and that one expensive new drug that the FDA just revoked approval for was a complete boondoggle
I see this, and I think it is completely different from statins, because Alzheimer’s disease results from irreversible scarring of neural tissue in the brain
I thought we were talking about cholesterol-lowering agents, primarily statins.
Are we now talking about rare diseases? I’m less than sophisticated to discuss such topics.
Asthma, type 2 diabeetus, heart failure, MS, antivirals, chronic pain, allergic rhinitis, quinolone antibiotics, I’m your huckleberry.
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doctors have zero knowledge about nutrition and less interest. all they learn is the food pyramid,which i hope everyone knows to be a big food,big pharma scam pushed by the ignorant medical profession. and yes,i know that to be based on a badly constructed study pushed for the glory of it's author and debunked even decades ago. prob a big contributor to the obesity and type 2 epidemic that now exists. fda has helped push it and declare all the poision ,but profitable,food additives safe to an ignorant public.
You'll have to go back further than the 40s. Sugar intake had already quadrupled by the 40s and 50s
MI was unheard of in 1890 except in the very elderly. Sugar intake was less than 10lbs per capita.
Exercise used to be called work. It still is in many circles.
I'd much rather be a misleadsing quack on supplements than be responsible for causing my state's governor to rescind life saving early intervention for COVID in lieu of intubating them instead - costing potential thousands of lives in your state and also thereby pushing the jab EUA narrative that has cost how many more thousands of lives?
So when Utah was about to be on the forefront in this country of treating Covid with hydroxychloroqine, and spent 800K for it,you came out and formally called it reckless ands got the purchase rescinded.
I guess you prefer to intubate the patients instead, huh?
Utah went all-in on an unproven Covid-19 treatment, then scrambled to course-correct
Utah went all-in on hydroxychloroquine, and then scrambled to course-correct. The state's saga with the drugs is a case study of what happens when hope outpaces evidence.
It was only the beginning. “This smacks as irresponsible and even reckless,” Scott Aberegg of the University of Utah’s division of pulmonary and critical care medicine wrote to state health officials, adding there was “no credible data that support a recommendation for this drug for this indication.”
In Utah, criticism quickly built once the state’s $800,000 purchase came to light. Some state lawmakers questioned why taxpayer dollars were being spent on unproven drugs. On April 24, Herbert, the governor, said he did not know about the initial purchase and said the health department’s talks to buy another 200,000 treatment courses from Meds in Motion had “ceased.” The Salt Lake Tribune reported the state far overpaid for the drugs compared to other formulations of hydroxychloroquine, and that the state was not experiencing any shortages.
“It was never more than a questionable Covid-19 treatment, and Utahns were never at risk of running out of it,” the Tribune editorial board wrote on April 29. “But that didn’t stop state officials from making a purchase that far exceeded any known need in the state. … State political leaders have given money and license to shameless promoters of baseless medical claims.”
That day, Herbert announced Meds in Motion refunded the state its $800,000. “A state supply of chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine is no longer prudent,” the governor’s office said.
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So Scott, how many lives did removing easy access to HQC early in Covid cost your fellow Utah citizens? How do you sleep at night?
Science, right.
Do you still believe HQC use for COVID is irresponsible and reckless Scott, as you told your Governor getting 800K of it withdrawn from use early in COVID? YOU are part of the reason patients are second-guessing their doctors!!
Are those the only alternatives? Misleading quack on supplements and COVID fuckery?
FYI the supplements industry is $159 billion. Someone is making hay.
And I don’t hear people bitching about the price of their St. John’s Wort.
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Yes, sir.
Hydroxychloroquine is a quack therapy for Covid.
I stand behind my letter to the department of health and the quotes attributed to me in the media.
I also had a lot of skin in the game when I went to New York City and volunteered for two weeks before there were vaccinations and at the time when the virus was still strong and killing people, including healthcare, workers left and right.
www.newyorker.com
Now the virus has weakened or immunity against it has strengthened or probably both. Covid isn’t really a thing anymore, but hydroxychloroquine was never a thing. FULL STOP.
that guy, Paul Merrick, who went over the deep end and got fired from East Virginia medical school and is now part of a quack group promoting complete quackery? I know him. I have co-authored with him. We were one kind until he went over the deep end.
You can believe whatever you want that is your right as a US citizen. However, as regards, healthcare matters, I do this shit for a living. And I have a tremendous amount of expertise and real world experience. That doesn’t mean you have to believe me, but it should give you a little bit of pause that maybe I should be taken seriously.
Plus Man, come on. There aren’t a lot of conservative doctors out there in academia. I am surrounded by bed wetting liberals and they piss me off as much as they do you. We are on the same team and I am trying to represent us in a liberal dominated field.
I am really not trying to fight you guys. I’m just trying to tell you what I know and a lot of what I know with pretty high confidence.
Hydroxychloroquine is a quack therapy for Covid.
I stand behind my letter to the department of health and the quotes attributed to me in the media.
I also had a lot of skin in the game when I went to New York City and volunteered for two weeks before there were vaccinations and at the time when the virus was still strong and killing people, including healthcare, workers left and right.
Fighting the Coronavirus, from New York to Utah
They volunteered during the New York City surge—then returned home to watch the virus come to them.
Now the virus has weakened or immunity against it has strengthened or probably both. Covid isn’t really a thing anymore, but hydroxychloroquine was never a thing. FULL STOP.
that guy, Paul Merrick, who went over the deep end and got fired from East Virginia medical school and is now part of a quack group promoting complete quackery? I know him. I have co-authored with him. We were one kind until he went over the deep end.
You can believe whatever you want that is your right as a US citizen. However, as regards, healthcare matters, I do this shit for a living. And I have a tremendous amount of expertise and real world experience. That doesn’t mean you have to believe me, but it should give you a little bit of pause that maybe I should be taken seriously.
Plus Man, come on. There aren’t a lot of conservative doctors out there in academia. I am surrounded by bed wetting liberals and they piss me off as much as they do you. We are on the same team and I am trying to represent us in a liberal dominated field.
I am really not trying to fight you guys. I’m just trying to tell you what I know and a lot of what I know with pretty high confidence.
Also, that French man that promoted hydroxychloroquine and who is now considered a quack because of that? I had dinner with that guy in Jackson hole in 2009 also. At an infectious disease conference where I was a speaker regarding H1N1.
But seriously, though. Another Hyde member sent me a link to this thread because he thought I could help a guy, the OP, with a legitimate question because he knows I’m a physician. I came here with those intentions. Even though it is the bare pit, I got better things to do than fight with people.
If five people like this post, I will get the hell out of here and go do something else. Vote with your likes.
If five people like this post, I will get the hell out of here and go do something else. Vote with your likes.
Dr Robert Malone is now considered a quack by the medical industrial complex. He knows more about mRNA vaccines and covid than any man alive.
See you could do this all night.
There's a very big list of quacks now. Lots of doctors lost their license for trying to treat their patients. This is not news. But it is informative.
I didn’t remember this Malone guy, but I see that he is in bed with Pierre Corey, who founded the same group with Paul Marik after Merrick was also disenfranchised for his quackery.
You and I will obviously have to disagree about Malone, Marik, and Korey.
The only thing I will say is that I was very sad about the downfall of Paul Marik’s career because I know that guy, and as I said, I have co-authored a very contrarian paper about the treatment of sepsis with him. He was a very good counterweight to mainstream medicine bullshit. He was a very brilliant guy and still is. It is unfortunate that he took this extreme position on Covid treatments. I honestly think that he might have gone the way of Joe Biden because he is getting up there in years. I think it also relates to his pushing vitamin C for sepsis which in retrospect marks the beginning of his quackery. We have now extensively tested vitamin C for sepsis, and his result was either manipulated or a fluke. Hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin have also now been formally evaluated and formally debunked as legitimate therapies for Covid.
I really regret what happened to Paul Marik. perhaps the same is true with this Malone guy, that he had a legitimate idea, it was debunked as junk science, he dug in and double down, and it cost him his entire credibility. At least that is what happened with Paul. Very sad.
Geologists say they know the composition of the earth's mantle, outer, and inner core without ever sampling any soil/dirt/earth matter deeper than 7.6 miles into the crust....which is 9-12 miles thick. LOL. We know nothing.
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Don’t know much about milk thistle but foxglove is used to make digoxin and morphine comes from the poppy.
We get glp-1 agonists from Gina monsters, too.
Wikipedia doesn’t think much about milk thistle:
Traditional medicine and adverse effects
Although milk thistle has been used in traditional medicine for centuries, there is no clinical evidence that it has any medicinal effect, and the quality of research has been poor.[22][23][24] Silymarin is extracted from the milk thistle seeds and available as a standardized extract.[25] In 2019, Cancer Research UK stated: "We need a lot more research with reliable clinical trials before we can be sure that milk thistle will play any part in treating or preventing cancers."[26]Use of milk thistle may cause stomach upset and produce allergic reactions in some people.[22]
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