Board Doc's, what say you?

[Ronws]

My mother participated in a cancer study in 1996, I don't recall any guarantees or promises that were offered except she was going to get a treatment or she might get a placebo, they did guarantee it would make her sicker from the possible side effects to determine dosage levels. Study participants were instructed that this was a study, it was not a cure and whether they got better or worse that at some point it would be discontinued with no further treatment. Yes, they agreed up front they were guinea pigs, they were all terminal and knew it. My mother got very ill and she died with the idea that if she could just get one more treatment it might cure her. Patients in studies tend to believe this is the golden pill or treatment and forget the rest. You can bow up and be pissed the rest of your life or you can move on. It is all your choice. We are all terminal.

Yeah, as Jim Morrison said, "No one gets out of here alive."

That being said, humans live with hope. Hope that surpasses physical limitations. And that is why the next treatment is going to work.

I think it comes from the same well of hope and strength that is used by soldiers who's bodies are worn ragged from work and exhaustion and hunger but they march the next five miles anyway because that is more important than the failure of the body.

I gave up cigarettes in 2018. I have had two recent annual scans (part of a lung cancer study that I am in.) Zero cancer, no nodes, no cells looking cross-eyed. I have may have the genetic gift of no cancer in my family. So, I will die one day but I am going to make this day a little better, if I can. And that is, I think, what drives the hope of cancer patients. And it is certainly not my job to tell them their hopes are in vain. Nor do I think I would be helping them by saying such a thing.

 

[RPN]

Very sorry about your mom.

You are totally right in your assessment, but…keep in mind that I have turned over a new leaf, I have turned my face toward the sun, so to speak, and away from the evils of Big Pharma. Liars, cheats, ne’er do wells, general riffraff and the like, all of them. A pox on their houses!

So take away your realistic and well-reasoned statements, we haven’t time or the inclination to peruse them.





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I get that you are having a go at GF14e2, but you are showing more than the necessary amount of arse here - in my moderately humble opinion.

 

[Pharmseller]

I get that you are having a go at GF14e2, but you are showing more than the necessary amount of arse here - in my moderately humble opinion.

I believed I was responding in kind, but if my responses are unnecessarily inflammatory I shall forebear.





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[Gunfighter14e2]

You are totally right in your assessment, but…keep in mind that I have turned over a new leaf, I have turned my face toward the sun, so to speak, and away from the evils of Big Pharma. Liars, cheats, ne’er do wells, general riffraff and the like, all of them. A pox on their houses!

So take away your realistic and well-reasoned statements, we haven’t time or the inclination to peruse them.

For such a smart guy, your reading comprehension is lacking. Then again deflecting is a know trait with some circles. You need to go back, read & think. Yes we knew & excepted the risks, but you seem to have conveniently missed the fact, of how well it was working for 683 out of the 685 total. However I'd not expect anything less from a industry shill.

 

[supercorndogs]

I had no idea secondfangle was so brave. To volunteer for two weeks before there was a covid vaccine.(that doesnt work) When it was still the super deadly covid. (Becuase they were misreporting deaths). We should be kissing his shoes and washing his feet and taking whatever doctors and journals tell us. Don't question people smarter than you. Always do what the experts say. Then you can blame them, instead of taking reposiblity for your own actions.

 

[Pharmseller]

Tell us about the exp cancer meds that worked great, then quickly got pulled? Start with Tasisulam circa 2011.

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For such a smart guy, your reading comprehension is lacking. Then again deflecting is a know trait with some circles. You need to go back, read & think. Yes we knew & excepted the risks, but you seem to have conveniently missed the fact, of how well it was working for 683 out of the 685 total. However I'd not expect anything less from a industry shill.

The convenient fact you’re missing is no data to back up your claim. And no, I’m not calling you a liar, but without the necessary information to research your claim is without merit.

You literally asked me to respond to your question then gave me nothing. You have some very specific data (from whence does it originate?) about number of patients, efficacy, and side effects. Did you pull this out of your ass as well?

I posted the only phase-3 trial I could find, which was stopped early due to mortality risk in the tasisulam arm but you didn’t respond.

For all I know you’re just some guy with a bee in his bonnet shouting questionable statements online. Heck, maybe you’re the shill, not me.

Put up or shut up.




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[Gunfighter14e2]

They never gave those involved in the study results dip shit. Most of us ask for them and were told we were not smart enough to understand it anyway. All we know was it was working perfect for 683 & they pulled the plug. Typical B/S from your side of the fence, just like covid. After its over deflect, deny & lie is SOP across the board,...

 

[Pharmseller]

They never gave those involved in the study results dip shit. Most of us ask for them and were told we were not smart enough to understand it anyway. All we know was it was working perfect for 683 & they pulled the plug. Typical B/S from your side of the fence, just like covid. After its over deflect, deny & lie is SOP across the board,...

No evidence of this clinical trial exists.

I think you’re full of shit.

Put up or shut up.

And you’re not shutting up.

Next time you respond, remember that.




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[Gunfighter14e2]

No evidence of this clinical trial exists.

I think you’re full of shit.

Put up or shut up.

And you’re not shutting up.

Next time you respond, remember that.




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typical of your ink

 

[W54/XM-388]

No evidence of this clinical trial exists.

I think you’re full of shit.

Put up or shut up.

And you’re not shutting up.

Next time you respond, remember that.




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Just a bit of advice, there are a lot of OG folks who know GF personally and consider him a stand up guy.

 

[UKDslayer]

No evidence of this clinical trial exists.

I think you’re full of shit.

Put up or shut up.

And you’re not shutting up.

Next time you respond, remember that.




P

You do realize there are so many smaller clinical trials that don't necessarily get government funded and aren't open to the huge public databases, especially by smaller drug companies that come and go or get swallowed up by bigger ones? Why would he make up involvement in clinical trial?

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Anything that challenges their "science" is ludicrous conspiracy.
Funny how they refuse....the RED pill over all others.

 

[Pharmseller]

You do realize there is so many smaller clinical trials that don't necessarily get government funded and aren't open to the huge public databases, especially by smaller drug companies that come and go or get swallowed up by bigger ones? Why would he make up involvement in clinical trial?

685 patients in a worldwide study is going to show up somewhere.

Stand up guy or no, he’s throwing accusations around quite freely and not backing it up.

Keep in mind he threw down the gauntlet in post 173. Support him all you want, the fact remains that he hasn’t provided diddly (except for insults) in response to my acceptance of his challenge.





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[armorpl8chikn]

685 patients in a worldwide study is going to show up somewhere.

Stand up guy or no, he’s throwing accusations around quite freely and not backing it up.

Keep in mind he threw down the gauntlet in post 173. Support him all you want, the fact remains that he hasn’t provided diddly (except for insults) in response to my acceptance of his challenge.





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So its not reasonable to imagine that the study was compromised and scrubbed?

How did Ruth Bader Ginseng live with pancreatic cancer for 20 years?
So was she just an outlier?

You really think they aren't suppressing a cure for cancer?

 

[Ronws]

So its not reasonable to imagine that the study was compromised and scrubbed?

How did Ruth Bader Ginseng live with pancreatic cancer for 20 years?
So was she just an outlier?

You really think they aren't suppressing a cure for cancer?

RGB lived so long because she had a deal with Satan. But all good deals come to the point of collection.

 

[Pharmseller]

So its not reasonable to imagine that the study was compromised and scrubbed?

How did Ruth Bader Ginseng live with pancreatic cancer for 20 years?
So was she just an outlier?

You really think they aren't suppressing a cure for cancer?

Don’t look outside, the black helicopters are circling.



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[UKDslayer]

So its not reasonable to imagine that the study was compromised and scrubbed?

How did Ruth Bader Ginseng live with pancreatic cancer for 20 years?
So was she just an outlier?

You really think they aren't suppressing a cure for cancer?

Not right to call out a patient/relative of patient regarding trial/study results like they would've gotten the info. More likely they didn't even know if they were placebo or treatment arm.

RBG not just with pancreatic cancer but with bone mets- the five year survival on pancreatic cancer is less than 10%, once there are bone metastases it's supposed to be 0 to 14 months survival. She had colon cancer in 1998/1999, pancreatic cancer diagnosed 2009.

McCain had very bad metastatic melanoma treated at Mayo, even during his presidential run the press always showed one side of him because he had a split thickness skin graft over one cheek/temple to allow monitoring for local recurrence.

Jimmy Carter - melanoma mets to brain and how long has it been now?

There are always the outliers in cancer outcomes, that's what gives the hope of survival for just about anyone. But cases like RBG really make you wonder what special stuff they have for the certain elected elite or very wealthy. I strongly suspect she had that other principality connection though. On the other hand, I think Jimmy Carter was a probably good person, just lousy president.

 

[Pharmseller]

So its not reasonable to imagine that the study was compromised and scrubbed?

If the study happened and it was compromised due to an unsafe treatment (as evidenced by the study I posted) then the treatment wasn’t safe and effective.

And how does he know his wife received the study drug? Phase 3 trials in cancer never use placebo as monotherapy.

Key points of phase III clinical trials​

• Most phase III clinical trials include a large number of patients, at least several hundred.
• These studies are often done in many places across the country (or even around the world) at the same time.
• Phase III clinical trials are more likely to be offered in local community hospitals and doctor's offices.
• These studies tend to last longer than phase I and II studies.
• Placebos may be used in some phase III studies, but they’re never used alone if there’s a treatment available that works. Sometimes, a patient who is randomly assigned to the placebo for part of the study will at some point be offered the standard treatment as well.

Too many inconsistencies in the story. And like I said earlier, I’m not going to change anyone’s mind and no one is changing mind. So I think I will bid all of you a good day and take my leave of this topic.




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[UKDslayer]

685 patients in a worldwide study is going to show up somewhere.

From Nature: https://rdcu.be/dNg5S, only half of clinical trials get published. My understanding regarding the 2008 FDA ruling on publications of clinical trials in clinicltrials.gov pertains to any study that receives federal/NIH funding or that involves children. This isn't my wheelhouse so if laws are different I have changed please update or verify.

From Nature:
The results of clinical trials are going unpublished as much as half the time, and those that are published omit some key details, astudy has found1.US law requires the results of medical research for drugs approved by the US Food and Drug Administration to be submitted to adatabase called ClinicalTrials.gov. Results, including adverse effects, have been made public there since 2008. Researchers who donot post results within a year of trial completion risk losing grants and can be fined as much as US$10,000 per day. But the databasewas never meant to replace journal publications, which often contain longer descriptions of methods and results and are the basis forbig reviews of research on a given drug.In an analysis of 600 trials picked at random from the database, Agnes Dechartres, an epidemiologist at Paris Descartes University,and her colleagues have now found that only 50% had made their way into print. “Non-publication is a crucial problem for allstakeholders, from patients to health policy-makers,” says Dechartres. For one thing, she says, failure to publish results in journalsbreeches the implied contract with patients who participated in the trials. “If results are not [fully] available, we can consider thatresearch wasted,” she says.For those trials that were also published in journals, complete reporting of negative side effects of the drugs — rather than justmentioning common events, for example — occurred 73% of the time in the trials database but only 45% of the time in the publications.Serious adverse events were mentioned in 99% of trials on the database but in only 71% of corresponding articles. Complete reportingof the efficacy of the drugs went from 79% in the trials database to 69% in the matching papers. Overall, the research was “moreclearly and completely reported at ClinicalTrials.gov than in the published article,” says Dechartres. The team’s results are publishedtoday in PLoS Medicine1

 

[mosin46]

If the study happened and it was compromised due to an unsafe treatment (as evidenced by the study I posted) then the treatment wasn’t safe and effective.

And how does he know his wife received the study drug? Phase 3 trials in cancer never use placebo as monotherapy.

Key points of phase III clinical trials​

• Most phase III clinical trials include a large number of patients, at least several hundred.
• These studies are often done in many places across the country (or even around the world) at the same time.
• Phase III clinical trials are more likely to be offered in local community hospitals and doctor's offices.
• These studies tend to last longer than phase I and II studies.
• Placebos may be used in some phase III studies, but they’re never used alone if there’s a treatment available that works. Sometimes, a patient who is randomly assigned to the placebo for part of the study will at some point be offered the standard treatment as well.

Too many inconsistencies in the story. And like I said earlier, I’m not going to change anyone’s mind and no one is changing mind. So I think I will bid all of you a good day and take my leave of this topic.




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you should. but first tell us about the successful phase 1,2,3 trials of the covid clot shot and remdesivir and the unsuccesful phase 1,2,3 clinical trials of HCQ and ivermectin in the covid setting.

 

[UKDslayer]

you should. but first tell us about the successful phase 1,2,3 trials of the covid clot shot and remdesivir and the unsuccesful phase 1,2,3 clinical trials of HCQ and ivermectin in the covid setting.

I don't think Pharmseller was barking up that tree, Pfizer/Moderna/astrozeneca aren't his employer unless I missed something...
it was this guy -> secondofangle2 = Scott Aberegg MD that not only believed then but STILL believes now there was/is no benefit of HQC or Ivermectin in treating COVID. Unfortunately because of his position, it didn't just affect his own patients, but those of his entire state. The way he is boastful about it still contemporaneously is astounding.

Hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin have also now been formally evaluated and formally debunked as legitimate therapies for Covid.

I really regret what happened to Paul Marik. perhaps the same is true with this Malone guy, that he had a legitimate idea, it was debunked as junk science, he dug in and double down, and it cost him his entire credibility. At least that is what happened with Paul. Very sad.

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I had no idea secondfangle was so brave. To volunteer for two weeks before there was a covid vaccine.(that doesnt work) When it was still the super deadly covid. (Becuase they were misreporting deaths). We should be kissing his shoes and washing his feet and taking whatever doctors and journals tell us. Don't question people smarter than you. Always do what the experts say. Then you can blame them, instead of taking reposiblity for your own actions.

I personally would have a great deal of respect for a colleague traveling across the country to help out other colleagues/patients if they didn't appear to be a motivated by secondary gain, and I'll just leave it at that.


The problem I had even early on with Covid was just how "normal" differing opinions among medical professionals were not allowed to be expressed. To have only one narrative and literally censoring any dissenting opinions, research and methods as "disinformation" is just bad medicine. For so many people, this eroded or completely destroyed trust in the entire medical profession including pharmaceutical companies and licensing boards. And I'm not even going to talk about the body count here.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Not right to call out a patient/relative of patient regarding trial/study results like they would've gotten the info. More likely they didn't even know if they were placebo or treatment arm.

RBG not just with pancreatic cancer but with bone mets- the five year survival on pancreatic cancer is less than 10%, once there are bone metastases it's supposed to be 0 to 14 months survival. She had colon cancer in 1998/1999, pancreatic cancer diagnosed 2009.

McCain had very bad metastatic melanoma treated at Mayo, even during his presidential run the press always showed one side of him because he had a split thickness skin graft over one cheek/temple to allow monitoring for local recurrence.

Jimmy Carter - melanoma mets to brain and how long has it been now?

There are always the outliers in cancer outcomes, that's what gives the hope of survival for just about anyone. But cases like RBG really make you wonder what special stuff they have for the certain elected elite or very wealthy. I strongly suspect she had that other principality connection though. On the other hand, I think Jimmy Carter was a probably good person, just lousy president.

The devil will kill you as soon as he can. It wasn't her deal with the devil.

 

[UKDslayer]

I know because of Covid there is a lot of hatred on big Pharma and anyone affiliated with them by association including drug reps, but I do feel obligated at this point to bring up that a drug rep can be very useful in providing assistance and direct resources to medications when a patient really needed it but couldn't afford it because of insurance coverage/whatever. Yes, one can argue that the prices shouldn't be that high to begin with (pure greedy MF like Martin Shkreli coes to mind), but when I was in a pinch I sometimes did use drug reps to help my patients out in that situation.

 

[UKDslayer]

The devil will kill you as soon as he can. It wasn't her deal with the devil.

Considering that she basically brokered/ facilitated 64M+ child sacrifices to Baphomet/Ba'al (consequences of Roe v. Wade = 63,459,781 total abortions since 1973. Based on numbers reported by the Guttmacher Institute 1973-2017); I'm sure she got tons of earthly perks. She was doing more to benefit that principality alive than the one soul that he would eventually get anyway.

 

[Sixfivesavage]

Bringing this back to cholesterol talk.....

Turned 38 and figured I better do the responsible thing and find a PCP because of kids. Had my appointment last week, standard blood test with it since I hadn't had anything but a coffee at 6 am and a fun size bag of skittles at 7 am. Appointment was at 3 pm. Total cholesterol 295 and LDL 218. Doctor called and told me he wanted me to get a CT Cardiac Scoring. That came back all 0s. Good to go. Because of family history he wants me to get on generic Crestor. I'm not thrilled about it but also not thrilled about my levels knowing my maternal grandfather had many HAs and tripple bypass surgery with a valve replacement at 47 and was dead from congestive heart failure at 51 or 52. I don't eat the best admittedly but I also don't eat like dog shit. I definitely don't drink enough water. Not sure what to do, definitely looking for alternatives beyond drugs or death. It almost feels like my choices are starve because anything worth eating is bad for cholesterol, die from a heart attack or get on the pharmaceutical bandwagon.

 

[Ronws]

Bringing this back to cholesterol talk.....

Turned 38 and figured I better do the responsible thing and find a PCP because of kids. Had my appointment last week, standard blood test with it since I hadn't had anything but a coffee at 6 am and a fun size bag of skittles at 7 am. Appointment was at 3 pm. Total cholesterol 295 and LDL 218. Doctor called and told me he wanted me to get a CT Cardiac Scoring. That came back all 0s. Good to go. Because of family history he wants me to get on generic Crestor. I'm not thrilled about it but also not thrilled about my levels knowing my maternal grandfather had many HAs and tripple bypass surgery with a valve replacement at 47 and was dead from congestive heart failure at 51 or 52. I don't eat the best admittedly but I also don't eat like dog shit. I definitely don't drink enough water. Not sure what to do, definitely looking for alternatives beyond drugs or death. It almost feels like my choices are starve because anything worth eating is bad for cholesterol, die from a heart attack or get on the pharmaceutical bandwagon.

I have been on Crestor (rosuvastatin 5mg) for over 2 years with no problems and my levels have stayed good. My hypertension, on the other hand, took some adjustment, mostly with Losartan.

In the evening, I take Amlodipine 5 mg, In the morning, I take the Rosuvastatin and then 50 mg (started at 25 mg) of Losartan. I am 60. I will be 61 in 3 months. Prostate level is .04, which is good. I have some ED but it is not due to that, I think. I do have to pee in what feels like the middle of the night but is usually about 30 minutes before the alarm clock rings.

6' 4" and 255 lbs. So, a bit of a gut and I can get winded sometimes but I am still wearing my backpack and hunting on public land with my 12 lb rifle. So, I am happy for that.

Good for you for doing this though.

 

[NiteQwill]

Bringing this back to cholesterol talk.....

Turned 38 and figured I better do the responsible thing and find a PCP because of kids. Had my appointment last week, standard blood test with it since I hadn't had anything but a coffee at 6 am and a fun size bag of skittles at 7 am. Appointment was at 3 pm. Total cholesterol 295 and LDL 218. Doctor called and told me he wanted me to get a CT Cardiac Scoring. That came back all 0s. Good to go. Because of family history he wants me to get on generic Crestor. I'm not thrilled about it but also not thrilled about my levels knowing my maternal grandfather had many HAs and tripple bypass surgery with a valve replacement at 47 and was dead from congestive heart failure at 51 or 52. I don't eat the best admittedly but I also don't eat like dog shit. I definitely don't drink enough water. Not sure what to do, definitely looking for alternatives beyond drugs or death. It almost feels like my choices are starve because anything worth eating is bad for cholesterol, die from a heart attack or get on the pharmaceutical bandwagon.

So there are two things here:
1. Genetics
2. Adjustable lifestyle habits

Number 1 you cannot change. This puts you already in the risk category, especially having a direct family member who died of cardiac issues.

Number 2 you can change. Exercise and healthy diet habits help a lot with preventing heart disease. This is a known fact.

Statins can help and have a long track record of keeping you above ground if you pursue Number 2 diligently. You have kids, and if I assume correctly, you love them and want to be around for THEIR kids and you want to avoid having them take care of you if you have a massive cerebrovascular event (stroke) or cardiac event (heart attack resulting in survival with brain injury).

 

[mosin46]

not getting into the tech side. my fat #s are marginal and my trigly are WNL. for a variety of reasons,i won't take statins for any reason.
the problem,to me seems,a believability and trust issue. after covid,the MS(med) is and should be very doubted about anything. the lies and deliberate and ignorant pronouncements of about 80% of the med profession makes anything any of them say suspect and candidates for anything but unstudied acceptance. the documentation of corruption in univ med setting should now be well known. their studies are controlled and paid for by big pharma. the new model of corporate and protocol control of practice is beginning to show up as the scams they are.
might be 1 of the bigger damages caused by the covid disaster. ie loss of trust in med prof. it is going to be years before that is healed.

 

[Dead Eye Dick]

Bringing this back to cholesterol talk.....

Turned 38 and figured I better do the responsible thing and find a PCP because of kids. Had my appointment last week, standard blood test with it since I hadn't had anything but a coffee at 6 am and a fun size bag of skittles at 7 am. Appointment was at 3 pm. Total cholesterol 295 and LDL 218. Doctor called and told me he wanted me to get a CT Cardiac Scoring. That came back all 0s. Good to go. Because of family history he wants me to get on generic Crestor. I'm not thrilled about it but also not thrilled about my levels knowing my maternal grandfather had many HAs and tripple bypass surgery with a valve replacement at 47 and was dead from congestive heart failure at 51 or 52. I don't eat the best admittedly but I also don't eat like dog shit. I definitely don't drink enough water. Not sure what to do, definitely looking for alternatives beyond drugs or death. It almost feels like my choices are starve because anything worth eating is bad for cholesterol, die from a heart attack or get on the pharmaceutical bandwagon.

Really need to cut back on food. Get on the road to successful deer hunting. Learn to process those deer. Venison is among the leanest of meats and processing your own, means you can get rid of almost all the fat.

Get a bike, and ride regularly. An hour or more hard at it more than three times a week.

Get the program “lose it”. Free app, unless you want to upgrade. Get with your doctor and let him determine exactly how many calories you really need per day. Stick with it.

I find, outside of eating very lean meats, is to eat what you want, just don’t eat too much. In the end, you will find that 2 ounces of real ice cream is just as satisfying as a large bowl.

That’s my suggestion. As long as your doctor approves of it.

Don’t get an electric bike or an electric assist bike. Get one that YOU HAVE TO PEDAL. Electric bikes are the next worst thing to setting on the couch, eating 6 to 7 thousand calories of potato chips every morning, noon and night.

Not bragging but my cholesterol and triglycerides are so low, the doctors joke that if mine were much lower, I’d be dead. Matters not, My Brenda, HAS High Cholesterol so, we have to eat like we both have it anyway.

 

[pmclaine]

I'm in the opposite camp, you can eat fat.

Get rid of the carbohydrates and non green vegetables.

If the govt is telling you something is bad, you can be assured it's good.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

The grocery store is set up to kill you unless you use it properly. Walk in the door and turn right or left. Stay along the outside wall and make a circle back to the cashier. Everything you should be eating is along those outside walls. The interior is full of garbage other than a few spices. If possible you need to get your beef, pork, chicken from a farmer or butcher. Many meat processors will have venison that hunters don't want. Veggies from your garden or the farmers market and not a can.
Processed food is what is killing Americans.

 

[mosin46]

The grocery store is set up to kill you unless you use it properly. Walk in the door and turn right or left. Stay along the outside wall and make a circle back to the cashier. Everything you should be eating is along those outside walls. The interior is full of garbage other than a few spices. If possible you need to get your beef, pork, chicken from a farmer or butcher. Many meat processors will have venison that hunters don't want. Veggies from your garden or the farmers market and not a can.
Processed food is what is killing Americans.

has been since the 50s. many of us oldies didn't have a clue for decades. our parents (greatest gen) didn't either and never did. the results are obvious. collusion of the med prof becoming obvious. truth is they were ignorant like the rest of us. taught nothing but lies about nutrition. were too busy,distracted or overly self confident to question the standard lies.
i do hope the docs change their approach. not guaranteed.

 

[NiteQwill]

The difference between previous generations and our current ones... America is fat as fuck. Go to any range and you run out of fingers and toes with how many fat people there are.

Blame the medical profession all you want, yet people continue to eat fast food, make shitty lifestyle choices, and zero exercise.

 

[Sixfivesavage]

The grocery store is set up to kill you unless you use it properly. Walk in the door and turn right or left. Stay along the outside wall and make a circle back to the cashier. Everything you should be eating is along those outside walls. The interior is full of garbage other than a few spices. If possible you need to get your beef, pork, chicken from a farmer or butcher. Many meat processors will have venison that hunters don't want. Veggies from your garden or the farmers market and not a can.
Processed food is what is killing Americans.

That's the hell of it....my inlaws are a dairy family and I grow beef. Our veggies are canned by us or frozen. It's what I eat while working my "full time job" as a lineman that did it other than my genetics I'm sure. I don't want to be on the pharma cash cow course.

 

[mosin46]

true. but the med prof has some responsibility,not nearly all of it. most that i know about haven't changed tunes much. still pushing the bogus gov food pyramid. there is the inertia of knowledge pushed in training,lack of the need in their busy practice and a very common fight to not admit error. a group that seeks a leading role in health issues in society,and is well rewarded for that,should be at the front on these issues. the open discussion present now by people like RFK should be a wake up call for those not already aware of our problems. i mean mostly the the internists and generalists. eg those that stepped up during covid. our society needs that kind of work from the med prof. give people the best data and let them make their own decisions about their habits.

 

[NiteQwill]

true. but the med prof has some responsibility,not nearly all of it. most that i know about haven't changed tunes much. still pushing the bogus gov food pyramid. there is the inertia of knowledge pushed in training,lack of the need in their busy practice and a very common fight to not admit error. a group that seeks a leading role in health issues in society,and is well rewarded for that,should be at the front on these issues. the open discussion present now by people like RFK should be a wake up call for those not already aware of our problems. i mean mostly the the internists and generalists. eg those that stepped up during covid. our society needs that kind of work from the med prof. give people the best data and let them make their own decisions about their habits.

Even with best data... Humans are naturally lazy. They will always choose the easiest route (aka unhealthy choices). Human inability to make hard choices that prolong life is well studied in health, warfare, etc.

My example: I see patients presented with absolutely modern, technologically advanced choices in diabetes care... Yet they continue to have their kidneys fail, feet amputated, and losing their eyesight. Their excuse, "I don't have time." If someone doesn't t have time to take care of themselves, do you honestly think people will make correct choices? Absolutely not.

The state of American health is in absolute disarray. We drive more, sit down more, walk less, exercise less, bike less, and are glued to screens on average 5.5 hours a day. If you took 0.5 of those hours and incorporated high intensity aerobic exercise daily, we would greatly reduce the incidence of heart and endocrine disease in America. America is so fat it can't meet the basic needs of military recruitment. Less meds, less ER visits, less money spent on healthcare.

Yet, the healthcare machine will continue churn as long as Americans make shitty choices.

 

[Ronws]

Well, a person will put on some when aging.

A guitar influence of mine, Ted Nugent, is also an avid hunter and consumer of game animals. I have the cookbook he and his wife wrote, "Kill it and Grill It!"

Anyway, even on the road, he is bringing game he has harvested, venison being the easiest, and the vegetables he could find.

That being said, I think he is in remarkable health for being 70 ish. Still on tour. Granted, not running across the stage anymore but the fingers are still working.

So, good diet goes a really long way. Once a blue moon, a glass of wine, no beer, and he mainly drinks water.

"I need you wangy. I need you dangy. I need a little wang dang sweet poontang!" ("Live at the Hammersmith 79". Yes, I do have that on CD. Then I also ripped it a thumb drive to play in my truck. Uncle Ted has the good medicine.)