Cali says don't charge your car

[Fx51LP308]

Ok.
I recant my manbun accusations.

Much appreciated.

In my area you would be broke in a month if using Lyft to get through life.

Trust me, the "expense" of it is constantly under evaluation. At present, I don't need to travel as much as I used to, so it's working out, so far. My groceries are delivered (for the most part), And in the case where the Lyft fare would exceed the cost of a car rental, I rent a car for a day or two and then get a lot of stuff done during that period. The alternative, now, would be to lease a car, pay the lease fee, insurance, fuel and maintenance. I believe that the costs of the Lyft rides, the annual membership fee for the grocery deliveries, the Amazon Prime delivery fee for everything else and the occasional car rental (on the order of once a month) will be a lot less than the aforementioned car leasing. But we'll see.

BTW, one of the places I do go with Lyft is to my hair salon. Gotta keep that "manbun" neat and presentable.... (Just kidding)...

 

[Snuby642]

Well I did see a F-150 all electric truck on tv. If you could set up solar to 100% charge it for daily use it would be useful.

But I figure .gov is waiting to drop the hammer on fees.

Thier not getting thier road tax, they will.
The power company will soon figure out how to make you pay extra for charging vehicles and demand the ability to cut you off because of thier shortcomings.

Federal government will figure out new fees for even having your own grid.

It will never stop.

Predicted years ago.

 

[EddieNFL]

Well I did see a F-150 all electric truck on tv. If you could set up solar to 100% charge it for daily use it would be useful.

But I figure .gov is waiting to drop the hammer on fees.

Thier not getting thier road tax, they will.
The power company will soon figure out how to make you pay extra for charging vehicles and demand the ability to cut you off because of thier shortcomings.

Federal government will figure out new fees for even having your own grid.

It will never stop.

Predicted years ago.

Mileage fees.

 

[Snuby642]

I don't believe for a minute it will stop at mileage fees.

Or ever stop, listen to the Beatles.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Yes, I am pulling up a 6 month old discussion. I read each post / opinion and have sort of just listening to some different perspectives. I did not have enough back ground to speak about EV's so I have just been following some of the headlines.

JMHO... I think the EV's will fall flat on their face.

A few things:
I have been hearing about all of the 1,000's of new patents on batteries. Not just EV's but solar power batteries, etc. Yes, batteries have been improved. But a battery is still a battery. A place to store energy. A very dirty place.

Over the past 6 months I have been watching the so called "Green Movement", Biden, Elon, supply chain, interest rates / inflation and the rest of that camp. They continue to knock electric generating plants off the grid, world wide. Coal mines are shutting down, nuke plants are being mothballed... Putin has Europe by the energy balls... Electric power bills in America are soaring. The power grid is maxed out

I think the Snake Oil salesmen have placed the cart before the horse.

I still have not found info on how many kilowatt / hours one Tesla would need for an over night charge if the battery was dead. Anyone ?

I am not beating up the EV people... I am asking where is all of the power going to come from to maintain the world as we know it and then have enough to charge EV's?

What am I missing?

 

[Maxduty]

Yes, I am pulling up a 6 month old discussion. I read each post / opinion and have sort of just listening to some different perspectives. I did not have enough back ground to speak about EV's so I have just been following some of the headlines.

JMHO... I think the EV's will fall flat on their face.

A few things:
I have been hearing about all of the 1,000's of new patents on batteries. Not just EV's but solar power batteries, etc. Yes, batteries have been improved. But a battery is still a battery. A place to store energy. A very dirty place.

Over the past 6 months I have been watching the so called "Green Movement", Biden, Elon, supply chain, interest rates / inflation and the rest of that camp. They continue to knock electric generating plants off the grid, world wide. Coal mines are shutting down, nuke plants are being mothballed... Putin has Europe by the energy balls... Electric power bills in America are soaring. The power grid is maxed out

I think the Snake Oil salesmen have placed the cart before the horse.

I still have not found info on how many kilowatt / hours one Tesla would need for an over night charge if the battery was dead. Anyone ?

I am not beating up the EV people... I am asking where is all of the power going to come from to maintain the world as we know it and then have enough to charge EV's?

What am I missing?

The new China sun. Everyone will get one in their neighborhood soon.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

The new China sun. Everyone will get one in their neighborhood soon.

I appreciate your humor... A lot of the information we are being bombarded with is starting to sink into my old tired brain. Some logical questions are starting to arise. Some has to do with investing. Some has to do with living off grid and having an EV. Is this just a fad ?

 

[Snuby642]

Probably need to clean the shit out of your garage park and charge the thing in there .

Fuck the government and power companies and charge that shit up whenever you want, your paying the bill.

Get a solar panel and not one on a contract with thier damn grid, run your own game.

The stupid Californian government couldn't run a picnic.

The electric company here tried to get me to install one of thier free smart thermostats. I told them to get the hell off my property.

They probably go around and offer thier free car charging smart circuits in cal.

 

[theLBC]

people that drive to work are going to come home and plug in at 5pm, aka peak electricity usage time.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

people that drive to work are going to come home and plug in at 5pm, aka peak electricity usage time.

20 years ago we were building natural gas fired generating plants that could come online in 30 minutes to supply needed power. The slang term for those was "Peaker Plants"... They got bigger and bigger and now they run 365 days a year.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

When people find out that their dead battery can't be replaced because it's outdated and the car is no longer under warranty we may see more of them getting used for target practice.
And what are they going to do with those useless batteries?

 

[Hobo Hilton]

When people find out that their dead battery can't be replaced because it's outdated and the car is no longer under warranty we may see more of them getting used for target practice.
And what are they going to do with those useless batteries?

Yep

 

[Snuby642]

Yup they will smugly plug in thier ev and tell you what an ass you are for burning fossil fuel.

And when they blow the grid I hope you have a tank full of gas cause the pumps need the grid.

Remember to shoot your ev driving neighbors the finger as you drive off. And don't even think about giving them a ride.

Live and let die.

Coming to your neighborhood soon.

 

[theLBC]

we should be building molten salt reactors already.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

Maybe turn on more power plants. Used to so service at a couple smack dab in the middle of the bay area that rarely ran. I call bullshit manufactured crises. Just like when Newsome ordered reservoirs to drain and then claimed water shortage. GTFO.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

After pg&e got fined a bazillion dollars for fires from downed power lines they started shutting down when the winds blow.
How many solar panels are needed to charge an EV? Fuck using your yard for recreational stuff. It'll be full of panels from China

 

[Lightning8]

California is all about "green energy" because they are able to pull in "dirty" power from their adjacent states. Scam.

 

[Snuby642]

You live in a hoa bordello.
You cant have nice things.

we should be building molten salt reactors already.

We should be buying saddles and ar scabbard to put on the horse we steal .

Where did I put those spurs?

 

[vinniedelpino]

once they get everyone in electric cars they can disable your cars charging fir offenses against the state

^^^^. Computers and the internet will be our downfall.

Haven't you guys seen the Terminator movies?

 

[Snuby642]

California is all about "green energy" because they are able to pull in "dirty" power from their adjacent states. Scam.

Pretty sure the power company in Texas got shut down from selling our electricity to scab states untill our needs are 100% met.

No more rolling blackouts to sell to the libtards at our expense.

 

[kenny1773]

just charge your electric car with a gas powered generator, problem solved

 

[Hobo Hilton]

I did find this. I did not fact check.

In general, battery size varies between approximately 50 KW (standard range Model 3) to 100KW (Model S). No Tesla battery is charged to its full capacity (for technical reasons) but as an estimate, you'll need to use about 50 kW of power to charge a standard range Model 3 battery fully.

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evannex.com

 

[Hobo Hilton]

So, roughly it would take 50kw hours X 936,712 vehicles = 46,808,600 kw hours to charge these cars one time. That is 46,808.6 megawatts.
46,808.6 megawatts divided by 820 MW plants = It would take 57 power plants to charge the batteries in an hour. Granted they will charge "over night"
Lots of variables. But, that is a lot of power plants to charge these vehicles. Maybe I am wrong.
_________________
Since 2014, the average size of a natural gas-fired combined-cycle power block has increased significantly. The average combined-cycle power block installed between 2002 and 2014 was about 500 megawatts (MW). After 2014, power block capacity increased, reaching an average of 820 MW in 2017.

In 2021, Tesla says, it delivered 936,172 vehicles around the world. Exactly how many were in the U.S.—or in China or Europe or elsewhere—the company isn't saying and doesn't have a habit of ever saying.

Power blocks in natural gas-fired combined-cycle plants are getting bigger - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

Tesla Delivered Almost a Million EVs Worldwide in 2021

The EV maker doesn't disclose U.S.-only sales figures but claims sales for the year were up an amazing 87 percent in a turbulent marketplace.

www.caranddriver.com

how many kilowatts in a megawatt - Google Search

 

[Dead Eye Dick]

Socialist agenda push electric cars on to the people and then tell them not to charge them to save electricity. I guess they will have to stay home from work and collect government assistance.

Those evil carbon fuels that are so reliable ........

Its amazing the path we took from closing mental institutions and transferring the patients into over government.

Our new GMC truck gets mileage as good as the economy cars we owned got in the early 1970’s. We actually made it from our son’s home to our home on one tank, and the tank isn’t that large. But 21/22 mpg goes a long way. The truck was fully loaded and we made no effort to save fuel, just drove normal. 485 miles. Truck is V-8 powered.

Really evil.

 

[65x55guy]

So, roughly it would take 50kw hours X 936,712 vehicles = 46,808,600 kw hours to charge these cars one time. That is 46,808.6 megawatts.
46,808.6 megawatts divided by 820 MW plants = It would take 57 power plants to charge the batteries in an hour. Granted they will charge "over night"
Lots of variables. But, that is a lot of power plants to charge these vehicles. Maybe I am wrong.
_________________
Since 2014, the average size of a natural gas-fired combined-cycle power block has increased significantly. The average combined-cycle power block installed between 2002 and 2014 was about 500 megawatts (MW). After 2014, power block capacity increased, reaching an average of 820 MW in 2017.

In 2021, Tesla says, it delivered 936,172 vehicles around the world. Exactly how many were in the U.S.—or in China or Europe or elsewhere—the company isn't saying and doesn't have a habit of ever saying.

Power blocks in natural gas-fired combined-cycle plants are getting bigger - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

Tesla Delivered Almost a Million EVs Worldwide in 2021

The EV maker doesn't disclose U.S.-only sales figures but claims sales for the year were up an amazing 87 percent in a turbulent marketplace.

www.caranddriver.com

how many kilowatts in a megawatt - Google Search

The 100KWh Tesla model s has an effective range of 300 miles. It’s EPA rated for 400 but that’s in ideal conditions.

Anyway, it makes no sense to say all of those vehicles would have to fully charge from zero during a single night.

let’s assume you’ve got a regular mid sized sedan that can move 300 miles on a full tank and a Tesla model S. Same car, different fuel source inside the car itself.

We can all agree that much of the electric power comes from fossil fuels.

Here’s the real question- how can we truly figure out how much oil was used to move both cars? I want to include refinement and delivery of the gas plus costs to maintain the gas station. Do the same for creating the electric and running the lines to the house that charge the Tesla.

I don’t know enough about electric generation or loss via power lines to really get a good answer myself. But I can tell you the math says the Tesla is cheaper to run per mile if you just bounce it against the price per mile using gas.

 

[candyx]

What will fry your brain is when all vehicles are electric then electricity cost will be just like gasoline was, profits must be maintained no matter what we use.

 

[RUTGERS95]

The 100KWh Tesla model s has an effective range of 300 miles. It’s EPA rated for 400 but that’s in ideal conditions.

Anyway, it makes no sense to say all of those vehicles would have to fully charge from zero during a single night.

let’s assume you’ve got a regular mid sized sedan that can move 300 miles on a full tank and a Tesla model S. Same car, different fuel source inside the car itself.

We can all agree that much of the electric power comes from fossil fuels.

Here’s the real question- how can we truly figure out how much oil was used to move both cars? I want to include refinement and delivery of the gas plus costs to maintain the gas station. Do the same for creating the electric and running the lines to the house that charge the Tesla.

I don’t know enough about electric generation or loss via power lines to really get a good answer myself. But I can tell you the math says the Tesla is cheaper to run per mile if you just bounce it against the price per mile using gas.

that 300 miles is under ideal conditions no? Temp, terrain, humidity, even altitude effect it's effective range

 

[KZP]

So, roughly it would take 50kw hours X 936,712 vehicles = 46,808,600 kw hours to charge these cars one time. That is 46,808.6 megawatts.
46,808.6 megawatts divided by 820 MW plants = It would take 57 power plants to charge the batteries in an hour. Granted they will charge "over night"
Lots of variables. But, that is a lot of power plants to charge these vehicles. Maybe I am wrong.
_________________
Since 2014, the average size of a natural gas-fired combined-cycle power block has increased significantly. The average combined-cycle power block installed between 2002 and 2014 was about 500 megawatts (MW). After 2014, power block capacity increased, reaching an average of 820 MW in 2017.

In 2021, Tesla says, it delivered 936,172 vehicles around the world. Exactly how many were in the U.S.—or in China or Europe or elsewhere—the company isn't saying and doesn't have a habit of ever saying.

Power blocks in natural gas-fired combined-cycle plants are getting bigger - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

Tesla Delivered Almost a Million EVs Worldwide in 2021

The EV maker doesn't disclose U.S.-only sales figures but claims sales for the year were up an amazing 87 percent in a turbulent marketplace.

www.caranddriver.com

how many kilowatts in a megawatt - Google Search

Those with a good social credit score are first in line to charge. Everyone else must wait their turn. If you do anything to reduce your social score, battery power will be fed back into the grid.

 

[65x55guy]

that 300 miles is under ideal conditions no? Temp, terrain, humidity, even altitude effect it's effective range

400 is actually the EPA stated number. 300 seems to be pretty regular. I don’t own one so I can’t be sure but I did some research. The crazy thing is the 400 comes under less than ideal conditions from what I read. The Tesla has a regenerative braking system that charges the battery pretty well in stop and go conditions.

 

[candyx]

Those with a good social credit score are first in line to charge. Everyone else must wait their turn. If you do anything to reduce your social score, battery power will be fed back into the grid.

Don't forget the "Vax Card"

 

[OldSalty2]

What do you do with the billions of tons of battery waste? People seem to assume batteries last forever. And they are highly toxic.

Send it to a 3rd world country to "recycle"?

 

[65x55guy]

What do you do with the billions of tons of battery waste? People seem to assume batteries last forever. And they are highly toxic.

Send it to a 3rd world country to "recycle"?

Great question. Some of these big ass batteries should have cobalt that could be recycled, right? That’s a big deal for sure.

 

[candyx]

Batteries will be dumped on top of the windmill blades and solar panels in the landfill to record the failed Renewable Age in history.

 

[OldSalty2]

Batteries will be dumped on top of the windmill blades and solar panels in the landfill to record the failed Renewable Age in history.

Not in my backyard, but perhaps I don't give a fuck, someone's else's problem. Out of sight out of mind....

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Batteries will be dumped on top of the windmill blades and solar panels in the landfill to record the failed Renewable Age in history.

Just one big "Time Capsule"

 

[OldSalty2]

Great question. Some of these big ass batteries should have cobalt that could be recycled, right? That’s a big deal for sure.

Sure, just send them over to the poor areas where children can be hired for slave wages and unsafe conditions to pull whatever salvageable materials are considered valuable enough to fuck with. Chuck the rest in a big open pit. The locals can then pick through the remainder to eek out an existence.

 

[KZP]

Don't forget the "Vax Card"

 

[Alpine 338]

Just an FYI, Batteries are one of the highest recycled products in the USA.

 

[91Eunozs]

I thought I’d be the last person in the world to buy a hybrid, but we just picked this up for my wife when her diesel Jeep rolled over 100K miles:

She can do pretty much her entire daily commute on electric, and in the 3 weeks we’ve had the car, we’ve averaged 40+ mpg. It’s not as fast as the M50i I wanted to get, but it was a hell of a lot cheaper, and it’s actually pretty friggin’ quick off the line.

the $7500 tax credit is a nice bonus while it lasts too … good until they sell 200k cars of that model.

 

[rtB]

Approximately 5% of total lithium-ion batteries are recycled around the globe.

SLA batteries are recycled. A lot of our bullets come from the recycled lead. But lithium batteries are expensive and complicated to recycle, so 95% of them currently get dumped.

 

[Thorny]

I’m surprised Gavy Nusense hasn’t demanded Cali drivers to start driving on the left side of the road, because, you know, the right side is wrong.

 

[clcustom1911]

Sure, just send them over to the poor areas where children can be hired for slave wages and unsafe conditions to pull whatever salvageable materials are considered valuable enough to fuck with. Chuck the rest in a big open pit. The locals can then pick through the remainder to eek out an existence.

Here in America, we don't believe in slavevery, child labor, low wages, unsafe work environments, biological warfare research/development, or harmful environmental practices because we'resuch great people....

We outsource that bullshit to the 3rd World and our known enemies/frienemies.

 

[clcustom1911]

50kwh to charge a tesla?? Holy fuck man. My obscenely sized solar system, which is double the size of the national average, only pulls down about 50-55kwh during the day this time of year (low production time) in ARIZONA in the Colorado River.

 

[Aussie Joe]

I'll keep my diesel 4wd thanks

 

[EddieNFL]

The 100KWh Tesla model s has an effective range of 300 miles. It’s EPA rated for 400 but that’s in ideal conditions.

Anyway, it makes no sense to say all of those vehicles would have to fully charge from zero during a single night.

let’s assume you’ve got a regular mid sized sedan that can move 300 miles on a full tank and a Tesla model S. Same car, different fuel source inside the car itself.

We can all agree that much of the electric power comes from fossil fuels.

Here’s the real question- how can we truly figure out how much oil was used to move both cars? I want to include refinement and delivery of the gas plus costs to maintain the gas station. Do the same for creating the electric and running the lines to the house that charge the Tesla.

I don’t know enough about electric generation or loss via power lines to really get a good answer myself. But I can tell you the math says the Tesla is cheaper to run per mile if you just bounce it against the price per mile using gas.

Don't know that including the gas station in the equation is fair. Selling fuel isn't a money maker. It does help bring in customers that buy the money makers. Most retailers would drop fuel sales it it did not affect customer traffic.

 

[EddieNFL]

400 is actually the EPA stated number. 300 seems to be pretty regular. I don’t own one so I can’t be sure but I did some research. The crazy thing is the 400 comes under less than ideal conditions from what I read. The Tesla has a regenerative braking system that charges the battery pretty well in stop and go conditions.

Not a Tesla, or even a Toyota idea. l believe AMC was the first to use regenerative braking.

 

[AngryKoala]

Yes, I am pulling up a 6 month old discussion. I read each post / opinion and have sort of just listening to some different perspectives. I did not have enough back ground to speak about EV's so I have just been following some of the headlines.

JMHO... I think the EV's will fall flat on their face.

A few things:
I have been hearing about all of the 1,000's of new patents on batteries. Not just EV's but solar power batteries, etc. Yes, batteries have been improved. But a battery is still a battery. A place to store energy. A very dirty place.

Over the past 6 months I have been watching the so called "Green Movement", Biden, Elon, supply chain, interest rates / inflation and the rest of that camp. They continue to knock electric generating plants off the grid, world wide. Coal mines are shutting down, nuke plants are being mothballed... Putin has Europe by the energy balls... Electric power bills in America are soaring. The power grid is maxed out

I think the Snake Oil salesmen have placed the cart before the horse.

I still have not found info on how many kilowatt / hours one Tesla would need for an over night charge if the battery was dead. Anyone ?

I am not beating up the EV people... I am asking where is all of the power going to come from to maintain the world as we know it and then have enough to charge EV's?

What am I missing?

Hybrids. There may be an initial push for EV but you'll see a focus on hybrids once the problems with EV surface.

 

[65x55guy]

Don't know that including the gas station in the equation is fair. Selling fuel isn't a money maker. It does help bring in customers that buy the money makers. Most retailers would drop fuel sales it it did not affect customer traffic.

I’m just trying to find a good way to compare apples to apples for the equation of which method exhausts more fossil fuel so we can drive a car. i think we all agree fuel is burned to create electric but efficiency of distribution also has an impact or at least should be considered.

 

[Maggot]

Is there a bomb big enough to just knock CA off the continent? Solve half our problems right there. Just give me a days notice so I can get out

California BANS state-funded travel to states over 'anti-LGBT' laws

Democratic Attorney General Rob Bonta added Florida, Arkansas, Montana, North Dakota and West Virginia to the list that now has 17 states where state employee travel is forbidden.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Or a virus specifically designed for politicians.

 

[EddieNFL]

I’m just trying to find a good way to compare apples to apples for the equation of which method exhausts more fossil fuel so we can drive a car. i think we all agree fuel is burned to create electric but efficiency of distribution also has an impact or at least should be considered.

I'm sure both camps could provide an answer. Pick the one you like best, but trust neither.