Calling the carnivores among us

[OkieMike]

Our ancestors are fruits, nuts, and berries... When they were available... and in season.

Honey was rare and highly prized until the last couple hundred years. Now it's a basic commodity.

We really take for granted having the choices we do when it comes to eating. Most everything we could ever want is right on the shelves, year round

Eating roots and meat 8 months out of the year must have been a bit boring... Lack of choice alone probably kept our ancient ancestors from overeating.

Mike

 

[E. Bryant]

I suspect that for 200,000 years humans ate 70% meat, 20% fruit and vegetables, and no more than 10% carbs.

Totally false - there are many, many examples of indigenous diets that were predominantly carbohydrate. The difference between this and the modern diet is that these carbs were not processed to be overly palatable and that sufficient physical occurred to ensure that excess calories could not be consumed.

Carbs are not bad. Excess carbs can be bad, as can any excess calories. Overly processed carbs can be bad, as can be overly processed food of any type. There are plenty of very healthy people who eat a large amount of carbohydrate, but they're not the type who lift weights for 45 minutes (burning a whopping 250-300 calories) and then mow down on everything in sight.

Restrictions are typically necessary for maintaining weight in modern society, and restricting a particular macronutrient works reasonably well for those not engaged in regular anaerobic activities. Just don't make the huge mistake of thinking this is the only way, or that carb-heavy diets are an invention of the 20th century.

 

[Father O’blivion]

Totally false - there are many, many examples of indigenous diets that were predominantly carbohydrate. The difference between this and the modern diet is that these carbs were not processed to be overly palatable and that sufficient physical occurred to ensure that excess calories could not be consumed.

Carbs are not bad. Excess carbs can be bad, as can any excess calories. Overly processed carbs can be bad, as can be overly processed food of any type. There are plenty of very healthy people who eat a large amount of carbohydrate, but they're not the type who lift weights for 45 minutes (burning a whopping 250-300 calories) and then mow down on everything in sight.

Restrictions are typically necessary for maintaining weight in modern society, and restricting a particular macronutrient works reasonably well for those not engaged in regular anaerobic activities. Just don't make the huge mistake of thinking this is the only way, or that carb-heavy diets are an invention of the 20th century.

A recent study showed the worst situations is a combo of too many carbs and fats. Together they make it even harder for your body to process, compared to an over abundance of just one or the other.

 

[wade2big]

Totally false - there are many, many examples of indigenous diets that were predominantly carbohydrate. The difference between this and the modern diet is that these carbs were not processed to be overly palatable and that sufficient physical occurred to ensure that excess calories could not be consumed.

Carbs are not bad. Excess carbs can be bad, as can any excess calories. Overly processed carbs can be bad, as can be overly processed food of any type. There are plenty of very healthy people who eat a large amount of carbohydrate, but they're not the type who lift weights for 45 minutes (burning a whopping 250-300 calories) and then mow down on everything in sight.

Restrictions are typically necessary for maintaining weight in modern society, and restricting a particular macronutrient works reasonably well for those not engaged in regular anaerobic activities. Just don't make the huge mistake of thinking this is the only way, or that carb-heavy diets are an invention of the 20th century.

I agree with your assertions other than the one of restricting a particular macronutrient being a drawback to those that work out or work anaerobically. Calories itself dictate the performance here more than anything else. Higher fat or higher carb diet for most people. Pick one and be consistent. The insanely active can do both at the same time.

I was a machine for years eating nothing but meats, cheeses, and eggs, and some (very little) green and colorful vegetables. I let myself regress around 2020. I’m back in the saddle now and looking and feeling good again although not to the same level as I was and doubt I get all the way there but I’ll be close enough soon enough. Don’t know if I have the will to work out to the same extent as I once did.

 

[Pharmseller]

You’re not the man you used to be!

Hell, neither is that guy.




P

 

[shields shtr]

I think if most people stuck to meat and vegetables and then some type of carb (fruit, oatmeal, etc) to maintain energy for exercise they would be better off than 99% of people out there. I did the paleo diet for a long time and had great success with it.

I travel alot for work though and it can be difficult to maintain. Processed foods and sugars are probably the biggest enemy, but they are convenient and that is why we live in a nation of fatties.

 

[The D]

Oatmeal is not a good carb to eat. It’s full of phytic acid that hinders your body’s ability to absorb nutrients.

 

[E. Bryant]

A recent study showed the worst situations is a combo of too many carbs and fats. Together they make it even harder for your body to process, compared to an over abundance of just one or the other.

Somewhat/largely correct - the body will have a preference for one of those two based upon a number of factors, the most significant being the individual's typical metabolic rate of exertion during physical activity. Someone who is either undertrained or training incorrectly (too little low-level aerobic work) blows right past the oxidative aerobic zone in which fat can be burned and into the glycolytic anaerobic zone in which carbohydrate is the primary energy source. This in turn creates the constant demand for carbohydrate, and fat goes unused as fuel so it's just stored. Let go long enough, this turns into metabolic syndrome and then T2 diabetes.

Avoiding this situation is how we get to advice to move for 30 minutes or get 10,000 steps daily comes in - that's the right level of exertion to create demand for the oxidative (fat-burning) metabolic path. (Doing this work for even longer is better.) Combine that with avoidance of excess carbohydrate, and things are generally going to work out OK. Being sedentary *or* overdoing it with HIIT/anaerobic is bad news.

 

[BLEE]

This Liver King would not agree with you, but then again, he was outed as a fake....

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https://nypost.com/2022/11/30/liver-king-ripped-after-leaked-email-claims-11k-a-month-steroid-use/

Eating that much liver is a sure way to get vitamin A and/or heavy metal poisoning.

 

[Father O’blivion]

Eating that much liver is a sure way to get vitamin A and/or heavy metal poisoning.

The copious steroid use was probably a bigger danger.

 

[BLEE]

The copious steroid use was probably a bigger danger.

From the article, I believe it was HGH.

 

[Lug Nut]

Lots of good info in this thread.

 

[nikonNUT]

Well, I'm gonna give this a try! Boss man has a little contest going at work and the biggest loser (by percentage) gets $1000.00 cash. Get healthy and get some new pew pew parts iff'n I win? Deal! May have some stupid questions. Watch this space!

 

[CaseFinder]

Well, I'm gonna give this a try! Boss man has a little contest going at work and the biggest loser (by percentage) get $1000.00 cash. Get healthy and get some new pew pew parts iff'n I win? Deal! May have some stupid questions. Watch this space!

Wish more bosses would do that!

 

[nikonNUT]

Wish more bosses would do that!

RIght? Win or lose it's a good nudge in the right direction as I start my trip through my 50s. Worse case... I drop weight, lower my BP, and just feel better in general. Aiming for 225 pounds (65 pound loss). Got 3 months in the "competition".

 

[Dave62677]

I lost over 50 lbs and my gouts were gone. I only eat 1 meal a day. U don’t need to go full carnivore mode. Just eat food without industrial processing. Read the ingredients and if you don’t know whats that stuff in there, skip it.

Search for inflammatory food list and skip its out from your diet. (Non processed red meat is not inflammatory to our body)

 

[JRaven]

There is some interesting literature out that points to excess linoleic acid being the cause of diabetes(it damages the way mitochondria operate in cells) and excess sugar just making it worse.

I have only kinda heard that argument from the IG carnivore dogma crowd. Same crowd that is afraid of vegetables, ie Paul Saladino. For clarity, I have been proponent of a high protein diet, from ruminants and pigs, since I stumbled upon Mauro Di Pasquale and Vince Gironda in the mid 90s when trying to put on muscle in college. A psychiatrist building a platform around killer vegetables and evil fiber is wild.

I have yet to see T2D directly related to excessive seed oils - so you would have to forward me some links that would be rad.

At the end of the day, the healthiest people on the planet can eat the more diverse diet - this is an element of metabolic flexibility and a diverse gut biome. With that said, if you have an autoimmune issue or gut problems and the only food you can digest without issue is red meat, eat away. I get uneasy when healthy people autoselect a highly restrictive diet because it is trendy or looks cool then they justify it with dogma and sketchy science.

If you want to eat steak for every meal, eat steak for every meal and just smile. I have eaten a least one steak a day since I was 18 years old and am just as excited to eat the one tonight as I was last week or last year.

The most nutrient dense diet you can eat is pretty close to the paleo diet first discussed by Art Devany, Loren Cordain, Michael Rose, Robb Wolf and Mark Sisson.

Which looks surprisingly similiar to the diet that Paul Saladino is promoting with red meat, organs, fruit, berries, honey....just some nuts and seeds, roots, tubers and bulbs and vegetables and you have the most nutrient dense diet on the planet that promotes longevity.

 

[JRaven]

I suspect that for 200,000 years humans ate 70% meat, 20% fruit and vegetables, and no more than 10% carbs.

Humans are opportunist omnivores.

Diets of modern hunter-gatherers vary substantially in their carbohydrate content depending on ecoenvironments: results from an ethnographic analysis - PubMed

In the past, attempts have been made to estimate the carbohydrate contents of preagricultural human diets. Those estimations have primarily been based on interpretations of ethnographic data of modern hunter-gatherers. In this study, it was hypothesized that diets of modern hunter-gatherers vary...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

That is why you see healthy people in the arctic circle, Innuits, eating a diet almost exclusively of whale and seal fat & whale and seal meat. Down to the Maasai in Africa eating a diet of meat, blood, milk, honey, tree bark, roots and tubers.

The one thing you dont find is a healthy groups of humans that are vegans. Every hunter gatherer tribe that Weston Price examined eat a diet consisting of meat and animals products. Some groups ate more carbs based on what was available to them based on location and climate.

There are factors far beyond their macro nutrient ratios that allowed them to be healthy.

 

[JRaven]

I lost over 50 lbs and my gouts were gone. I only eat 1 meal a day. U don’t need to go full carnivore mode. Just eat food without industrial processing. Read the ingredients and if you don’t know whats that stuff in there, skip it.

Search for inflammatory food list and skip its out from your diet.

Congrats on losing 50 pounds. Hard to over eat on one meal a day. At the end of the day, whether you believe in "calories in/calories out" or not, if you eat less and move more you the scale needle will move in the right direction.

 

[Father O’blivion]

RIght? Win or lose it's a good nudge in the right direction as I start my trip through my 50s. Worse case... I drop weight, lower my BP, and just feel better in general. Aiming for 225 pounds (65 pound loss). Got 3 months in the "competition".

Good luck. 65 lbs in 3 months is pretty aggressive but it’s good to have goals.

 

[Dave62677]

Just find a diet that work right for you . Don’t change it dramatically otherwise you will be back to the unhealthy lifestyle. Calories in and calories out is correct , but a lot of people over look how industrial processed food cause inflammation into our body. Your body will get enough calories but also get a lot inflammation inside. A lot of time inflammation signs are joint pains, gouts , skin rashes, tiredness …. Etc.

Eat the correct food that doesn’t cause inflammatory to the body. you will less likely to get sick or cancers. My best buddy from high-school just got stage 4 colon cancer and he always eat McDonald and chip and sugary junk food. He is not overweight at all. He just turn 45.

Avoid process food as much as you can and don’t over eat. You body will slim down naturally.

 

[The D]

I have only kinda heard that argument from the IG carnivore dogma crowd. Same crowd that is afraid of vegetables, ie Paul Saladino. For clarity, I have been proponent of a high protein diet, from ruminants and pigs, since I stumbled upon Mauro Di Pasquale and Vince Gironda in the mid 90s when trying to put on muscle in college. A psychiatrist building a platform around killer vegetables and evil fiber is wild.

I have yet to see T2D directly related to excessive seed oils - so you would have to forward me some links that would be rad.

At the end of the day, the healthiest people on the planet can eat the more diverse diet - this is an element of metabolic flexibility and a diverse gut biome. With that said, if you have an autoimmune issue or gut problems and the only food you can digest without issue is red meat, eat away. I get uneasy when healthy people autoselect a highly restrictive diet because it is trendy or looks cool then they justify it with dogma and sketchy science.

If you want to eat steak for every meal, eat steak for every meal and just smile. I have eaten a least one steak a day since I was 18 years old and am just as excited to eat the one tonight as I was last week or last year.

The most nutrient dense diet you can eat is pretty close to the paleo diet first discussed by Art Devany, Loren Cordain, Michael Rose, Robb Wolf and Mark Sisson.

Which looks surprisingly similiar to the diet that Paul Saladino is promoting with red meat, organs, fruit, berries, honey....just some nuts and seeds, roots, tubers and bulbs and vegetables and you have the most nutrient dense diet on the planet that promotes longevity.

Here’s one article with some references that I have open in another tab. This guy is definitely not a fan of keto/carnivore or fasting. Rather he’s a proponent of equal parts protein/fat and eating plenty of carbs(sounds like he prefers fruit/honey/white rice) to promote mitochondrial function.

It All Comes Down To Energy

Modern biology centers around a reductionist, mechanical view of the human body that permeates both conventional and alternative medicine. Each bodily system is considered to be separate and indepe…

www.jayfeldmanwellness.com

And here’s another good article

The Cause of Metabolic Syndrome: Excess Omega-6 Fats (Linoleic Acid) in Your Mitochondria

What can excess seed oils do to your metabolism?

tuckergoodrich.substack.com

And if you’re really up for it, these two sites go pretty in depth on how bad seed oils(more specifically, polyunsaturated fatty acids) are

Fire In A Bottle

Metabolic Enhancement Shop & Blog

fireinabottle.net

Hyperlipid

You need to get calories from somewhere, should it be from carbohydrate or fat?

high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com

I know Paul Saladino has talked about it several times but I’m not sure where the info is on his site.

The catchy headlines about vegetables killing you or being dangerous are only to get your attention. The real substance of the argument is that plants contain defense chemicals(because they can’t run away or kick you in the head) to protect themselves. Some people aren’t bothered by them so much while others get harmed significantly (most recently famous are Jordan and Mikaila Peterson). The only part of a plant that they want eaten is the fruit, that's how they procreate. Any other parts that get eaten will potentially stop them from being able to continue that.

If someone can eat salads or handfuls of nuts or legumes without side effects, and they enjoy these foods then keep enjoying how you eat. But they aren’t nutritionally necessary. There’s nothing in veggies that you can’t get from the animal based diet that Paul Saladino talks about. But, there are things in veggies that can cause some problems that aren’t in animal products/fruit

 

[Emerson0311]

Perhaps, I didn't ask him what meat he was eating.

I did keto a few years back and had zero issues with constipation... But it took me a week of having to eat every 2 hours to zero in on the fat thing... I could eat a prime rib for breakfast and spend the entire day building fence and not get the shakes... And the "hungry" feeling was just a weird hollow feeling. No shakes, no stomach growling/aching... Just my body telling me it was ready for some sustenance.

Energy level and clarity of thought was absolutely amazing.

Mike

I use heavy cream and cheese to get the fat. My hunger is like yours now. Before I would be falling apart if I didn’t eat every 5-6 hours.

 

[EddieNFL]

The Eubie Blake Diet​

If the great composer-pianist, Eubie Blake, were still alive he would be 122. He just might have brought it off. As things stand, living to five days past his 100th birthday on Feb. 7, 1983, he didn't fare so badly in the longevity department. An especially stupendous achievement considering that Blake's daily regimen consisted almost exclusively of 7-Up, whiskey, meat, chocolate and cigarettes. And he was performing almost right up to the end of his life.

 

[BLEE]

Many of these metabolic syndromes aren't caused by what we eat, but by our metabolism failing to process food, like it used to. The workaround to these syndromes, is avoiding those foods that cause trouble, but that doesn't fix the metabolic syndrome. Humans, as opportunistic omnivores, can digest and utilize many nutrition sources, when all is working, properly. It's wise to eat, smart, but the food isn't always the issue. I know people, who can consume 200 grams of carbs, per day and not get fat, whereas, others blow up like a balloon. Good metabolic function AND calorie burn make huge differences. I think most people's metabolic issues would disappear, if they performed light to moderate calisthenics, walked 2-4 miles/day and reduced starchy carbohydrate intake, until they got down to 15%, or less body fat for men and 25%, or less body fat for women. It really doesn't take much to maintain good health, barring any genetic predispositions. It's rough trying to get your health back, after middle age and health issues set in.

 

[E. Bryant]

I agree with your assertions other than the one of restricting a particular macronutrient being a drawback to those that work out or work anaerobically. Calories itself dictate the performance here more than anything else. Higher fat or higher carb diet for most people. Pick one and be consistent. The insanely active can do both at the same time.

I was a machine for years eating nothing but meats, cheeses, and eggs, and some (very little) green and colorful vegetables. I let myself regress around 2020. I’m back in the saddle now and looking and feeling good again although not to the same level as I was and doubt I get all the way there but I’ll be close enough soon enough. Don’t know if I have the will to work out to the same extent as I once did.

Wade, I appreciate you jumping into the discussion.

When I speak of anaerobic exercise, I'm speaking of operation primarily in the glycolytic mode - heavy exertion for more than 15 sec but typically less than 20 minutes. This could be encountered by hiking or biking through rolling terrain, sprint or interval training, CrossFit stuff, whatever - things that are going to leave you huffing and puffing for air. Lifting heavy weights typically doesn't involve this system unless you're going for high reps or doing supersets. (Sets of 6-8 reps only involve about 15-20 seconds of muscle contraction.)

Fueling this type of work generally involves glucose (sugar) and lots of it - generally more than can be digested by the gut in real-time during the effort. The more adapted that one is to this type of work and/or to eating carbohydrate, the more glucose that is stored in the liver and muscles. Your typically skinny-ass triathlete can store maybe 200 grams of glucose and then consume another 50 grams/hour during exercise - enough to provide a substantial amount of extra work above and beyond what can be sustained via aerobic (oxidative) metabolism.

Those who are in true ketosis or just in gluconeogenesis from metabolizing excess protein don't have a large volume of the necessary fuel to repeatedly perform this type of work. That's generally not a problem, since most people aren't doing back-to-back 1-mile sprints or trying to survive several 10-minute Tactical Games "skirmishes". Those that are trying to perform at a high level in those sort of activities are probably going to end up following some sort of "targeted carb" diet where they consume carbohydrate immediately before the activity, with the idea that this will go straight to the muscles during the activity (probably a good assumption).

The real flex is to increase aerobic output so that less anaerobic output is required. I know of some cyclists who consume a low-carb diet and they can maintain a pretty strong pace all day long. I'm not there with my aerobic conditioning.

Glad to hear that you're back at it. One of the things that keeps me going is knowing that I'm (hopefully) improving my chances of not just surviving long enough to see my kids grow up, but actually being able to participate in physical activity with them. A good buddy of mine is really enjoying his time with his grown children who are active outdoorsmen, and he's able to do so because he's been able to stay in shape. That, and there's nothing wrong with taking a bit of pride in one's physical appearance and capabilities. Go get after it, and if age starts to get in the way a bit, well that's just part of having survived this long.

 

[JRaven]

The catchy headlines about vegetables killing you or being dangerous are only to get your attention. The real substance of the argument is that plants contain defense chemicals(because they can’t run away or kick you in the head) to protect themselves. Some people aren’t bothered by them so much while others get harmed significantly (most recently famous are Jordan and Mikaila Peterson). The only part of a plant that they want eaten is the fruit, that's how they procreate. Any other parts that get eaten will potentially stop them from being able to continue that.

If someone can eat salads or handfuls of nuts or legumes without side effects, and they enjoy these foods then keep enjoying how you eat. But they aren’t nutritionally necessary. There’s nothing in veggies that you can’t get from the animal based diet that Paul Saladino talks about. But, there are things in veggies that can cause some problems that aren’t in animal products/fruit

That is why you eat your vegetables cooked. Once you heat the vegetables the bioavailability dramatically increases.

If you are so fragile that a salad or handful of nuts causes side effects we have bigger issues. Like I said, the greatest marker of health is being about to eat the most diverse diet.

You don't know what is nutritionally necessary unless you get your micronutrients tested and see where your deficiencies lie. We have decades of research that support eating vegetables, especially cruciferous vegetables, dramatically increases health and lowers risks of all cause mortality.

Lets workshop this - the year is 2022/23 and a psychiatrist who nevers wears a shirt is yelling about vegetables potentially killing you while selling a primal supplement line owned and created by a rich eccentric guy calling himself the Liver King. If vegetables were as dangerous as he says, I think someone else might have mentioned it before. There are decades of research that support eating a diet that includes vegetables.

Now if you don't want to eat your vegetables as some thumbing of the nose to your mom who made you eat them as a kid, then dont eat them.

 

[Pharmseller]

P

 

[oneshot86]

Wade, I appreciate you jumping into the discussion.

When I speak of anaerobic exercise, I'm speaking of operation primarily in the glycolytic mode - heavy exertion for more than 15 sec but typically less than 20 minutes. This could be encountered by hiking or biking through rolling terrain, sprint or interval training, CrossFit stuff, whatever - things that are going to leave you huffing and puffing for air. Lifting heavy weights typically doesn't involve this system unless you're going for high reps or doing supersets. (Sets of 6-8 reps only involve about 15-20 seconds of muscle contraction.)

Fueling this type of work generally involves glucose (sugar) and lots of it - generally more than can be digested by the gut in real-time during the effort. The more adapted that one is to this type of work and/or to eating carbohydrate, the more glucose that is stored in the liver and muscles. Your typically skinny-ass triathlete can store maybe 200 grams of glucose and then consume another 50 grams/hour during exercise - enough to provide a substantial amount of extra work above and beyond what can be sustained via aerobic (oxidative) metabolism.

Those who are in true ketosis or just in gluconeogenesis from metabolizing excess protein don't have a large volume of the necessary fuel to repeatedly perform this type of work. That's generally not a problem, since most people aren't doing back-to-back 1-mile sprints or trying to survive several 10-minute Tactical Games "skirmishes". Those that are trying to perform at a high level in those sort of activities are probably going to end up following some sort of "targeted carb" diet where they consume carbohydrate immediately before the activity, with the idea that this will go straight to the muscles during the activity (probably a good assumption).

The real flex is to increase aerobic output so that less anaerobic output is required. I know of some cyclists who consume a low-carb diet and they can maintain a pretty strong pace all day long. I'm not there with my aerobic conditioning.

Glad to hear that you're back at it. One of the things that keeps me going is knowing that I'm (hopefully) improving my chances of not just surviving long enough to see my kids grow up, but actually being able to participate in physical activity with them. A good buddy of mine is really enjoying his time with his grown children who are active outdoorsmen, and he's able to do so because he's been able to stay in shape. That, and there's nothing wrong with taking a bit of pride in one's physical appearance and capabilities. Go get after it, and if age starts to get in the way a bit, well that's just part of having survived this long.

Great post man

 

[The D]

That is why you eat your vegetables cooked. Once you heat the vegetables the bioavailability dramatically increases.

If you are so fragile that a salad or handful of nuts causes side effects we have bigger issues. Like I said, the greatest marker of health is being about to eat the most diverse diet.

You don't know what is nutritionally necessary unless you get your micronutrients tested and see where your deficiencies lie. We have decades of research that support eating vegetables, especially cruciferous vegetables, dramatically increases health and lowers risks of all cause mortality.

Lets workshop this - the year is 2022/23 and a psychiatrist who nevers wears a shirt is yelling about vegetables potentially killing you while selling a primal supplement line owned and created by a rich eccentric guy calling himself the Liver King. If vegetables were as dangerous as he says, I think someone else might have mentioned it before. There are decades of research that support eating a diet that includes vegetables.

Now if you don't want to eat your vegetables as some thumbing of the nose to your mom who made you eat them as a kid, then dont eat them.

Whatever your purpose with this screed was supposed to be, it’s having the opposite effect. I’ll be eating a giant chunk of a tomahawk ribeye for breakfast.

 

[The D]

Just whipped up an amazing breakfast.

And here’s the recipe

Keto Frittata with Bacon and Brie

Practically carb-free, you can serve this easy keto frittata for breakfast, brunch, or dinner! Flavorful and hearty, it takes only 25 minutes to make from start to finish.

alldayidreamaboutfood.com

 

[Supersubes]

TLDR: The carnivore diet kicks ass.


I started strict carnivore 8 weeks ago. I went cold turkey as opposed to weening off carbs/sugar. Two co-workers started about 6 months ago, and the weight flew off of them, and they cheat quite a lot with booze. I’m a shit dieter, but I decided to try it. The only thing that hasn't been very easy is the meal prep. Its not bad, just have to keep stuff thawed.

Day three and four I felt kinda meh and didn't want to do anything. No GI issues, or any other negative effects since then. Im 48yo, 6’ tall, and weighed 226 when I started. Been very steady at that weight for 20 years at least. My diet was not horrific, but not great either. As of today im down 28 lbs. and my clothes fit like hefty bags. I’m also going to have to re-spring my dirtbike.

Mostly eating beef, eggs, and cheese. I’m mixing in pork fish and chicken as my tastes change. Ive found that I can souse vide a bunch of steaks at one time, throw them in the fridge, then take them out and as needed and put a char on them. They taste fantastic, with butter of course. We have a restaurant supply store in town that sells bulk meat for very good prices, so the diet hasn't been very expensive. Generally I eat less than I did before too. Mostly two meals a day, and currently that’s 8oz of ribeye for each meal. Every once in a while I’ll double that because the ribeye is so good! In the last few years, I had lightly avoided beef. Id get a light case of bubble guts. Thats been resolved entirely. Ive had exactly zero GI issues. Im still drinking coffee, but switched to heavy whipping cream in it vs. sugar.

I cant recall a time when Ive felt this good. The laundry list of positive changes I heard about on various youtube vids have basically all turned out to be true. I didn’t have any real health issues/ailments to solve, other than excess weight. I had occasional acid reflux, and thats gone now. The most startling change though is the constant energy throughout the day with no sense of hunger. It’s almost unbelievable. Sleep is great. I dont have any lingering injuries, but I used to hobble to the bathroom when I woke up in the morning. The inflammation that likely caused that was gone in the first two weeks. I wake up at 0300 every morning (to bed at 1930 daily) which has never been particularly hard, but now I’m clear headed before I get to the bathroom.

Shortly after starting the diet I began training up for multi-day Eastern sierra backpack trip. I do a lot of upland bird hunting behind my dogs for a good portion of the year, and I’m generally active, so I'm only sorta sluggish in steep terrain. 10 to 15 miles a day in steep terrain isn’t uncommon during the season. The train-up hike routes were pretty aggressive, but I found them fairly easy with a small pack and rifle. Lactic acid buildup is non-existent, but im taking Beta-Alanine, so that may be the cause. I noticed recovery times were very short. Heart rate and respirations settled quickly, abnormally so for me. Ive yet to feel muscle soreness in any way, regardless of workout intensity.

The eastern sierra backpacking trip in the 7th week went great. For the four days I ate precisely 8 oz of beef jerky, 10 oz of canned salmon, 4 oz of salami, and two 10” brook trout. I skipped breakfast everyday, as I had been doing for the previous six weeks. Im sensing these last few days that I’m going to have to kick up the food consumption. My body is hanging on to the last 10-15 lbs of fat, instead of burning it, and for the first time I’m feeling the slightest sense of hunger.

I had a physical last week. The blood work looks good everywhere except LDL. It was 242 which was only a slight increase from my last physical. Triglyceride/ HDL ratio is 1.17(huge improvement), and Triglycerides way down(also huge improvement). Doc didn't like the LDL number but he liked everything else. Same goes for the blood sugar/diabetes, and liver/kidney function series of tests he asked for. My blood pressure also dropped from 130/90 to 100/60. Doc said that is likely the reason I’m sleeping so well. I asked him if he’d write me a lab referral for blood work quarterly, and he agreed.

I’ve no real end date for the strict diet. Id like to loose another 10 lbs at least, maybe 15. After that, I’ll probably add back some veggies, and control the saturated fats some. Tuning up the fat/protein ratio is probably in order too, although I have no firm target on that yet. Hunting season will be here in 10 days. My mountain goat hunting buddies are in for a surprise, im gonna smoke their asses! One thing i’m certain of is staying away from refined carbs and processed foods in general. That shit is poison!

 

[wvfarrier]

Instead of measuring weight loss on the Carnivore....measure your cholesterol. That might be interesting

 

[Supersubes]

Instead of measuring weight loss on the Carnivore....measure your cholesterol. That might be interesting

Thats in my post above.

 

[Aftermath]

Oatmeal is not a good carb to eat. It’s full of phytic acid that hinders your body’s ability to absorb nutrients.

If I am wanting a good clearing of the bowels…oatmeal. I can eat one oatmeal cookie, which I love, and before the hour I’m on the toilet. Faster if it’s a bowl of oatmeal. For whatever reason, I don’t process oatmeal.
I’m 63, 5’10”, 180 lbs and fucking handsome. So I don’t know why the oats are a problem for my system. I can, and do, eat everything else (except rhubarb, yuck!) without issue.
I just wish I had been born wealthy instead of so good looking.

 

[The D]

If I am wanting a good clearing of the bowels…oatmeal. I can eat one oatmeal cookie, which I love, and before the hour I’m on the toilet. Faster if it’s a bowl of oatmeal. For whatever reason, I don’t process oatmeal.
I’m 63, 5’10”, 180 lbs and fucking handsome. So I don’t know why the oats are a problem for my system. I can, and do, eat everything else (except rhubarb, yuck!) without issue.
I just wish I had been born wealthy instead of so good looking.

Are you hitting on me? It’s kind of working even if you’re not

 

[Maser]

Diets are scams. Just don't eat like a glutton and get off your ass once in awhile and get some exercise.

 

[Aftermath]

Are you hitting on me? It’s kind of working even if you’re not

Are you wealthy? Maybe we can work something out.

 

[Jscb1b]

If I am wanting a good clearing of the bowels…oatmeal. I can eat one oatmeal cookie, which I love, and before the hour I’m on the toilet. Faster if it’s a bowl of oatmeal. For whatever reason, I don’t process oatmeal.
I’m 63, 5’10”, 180 lbs and fucking handsome. So I don’t know why the oats are a problem for my system. I can, and do, eat everything else (except rhubarb, yuck!) without issue.
I just wish I had been born wealthy instead of so good looking.

And modest, don't forget modest.

 

[Redlion]

TLDR: The carnivore diet kicks ass.


I started strict carnivore 8 weeks ago. I went cold turkey as opposed to weening off carbs/sugar. Two co-workers started about 6 months ago, and the weight flew off of them, and they cheat quite a lot with booze. I’m a shit dieter, but I decided to try it. The only thing that hasn't been very easy is the meal prep. Its not bad, just have to keep stuff thawed.

Day three and four I felt kinda meh and didn't want to do anything. No GI issues, or any other negative effects since then. Im 48yo, 6’ tall, and weighed 226 when I started. Been very steady at that weight for 20 years at least. My diet was not horrific, but not great either. As of today im down 28 lbs. and my clothes fit like hefty bags. I’m also going to have to re-spring my dirtbike.

Mostly eating beef, eggs, and cheese. I’m mixing in pork fish and chicken as my tastes change. Ive found that I can souse vide a bunch of steaks at one time, throw them in the fridge, then take them out and as needed and put a char on them. They taste fantastic, with butter of course. We have a restaurant supply store in town that sells bulk meat for very good prices, so the diet hasn't been very expensive. Generally I eat less than I did before too. Mostly two meals a day, and currently that’s 8oz of ribeye for each meal. Every once in a while I’ll double that because the ribeye is so good! In the last few years, I had lightly avoided beef. Id get a light case of bubble guts. Thats been resolved entirely. Ive had exactly zero GI issues. Im still drinking coffee, but switched to heavy whipping cream in it vs. sugar.

I cant recall a time when Ive felt this good. The laundry list of positive changes I heard about on various youtube vids have basically all turned out to be true. I didn’t have any real health issues/ailments to solve, other than excess weight. I had occasional acid reflux, and thats gone now. The most startling change though is the constant energy throughout the day with no sense of hunger. It’s almost unbelievable. Sleep is great. I dont have any lingering injuries, but I used to hobble to the bathroom when I woke up in the morning. The inflammation that likely caused that was gone in the first two weeks. I wake up at 0300 every morning (to bed at 1930 daily) which has never been particularly hard, but now I’m clear headed before I get to the bathroom.

Shortly after starting the diet I began training up for multi-day Eastern sierra backpack trip. I do a lot of upland bird hunting behind my dogs for a good portion of the year, and I’m generally active, so I'm only sorta sluggish in steep terrain. 10 to 15 miles a day in steep terrain isn’t uncommon during the season. The train-up hike routes were pretty aggressive, but I found them fairly easy with a small pack and rifle. Lactic acid buildup is non-existent, but im taking Beta-Alanine, so that may be the cause. I noticed recovery times were very short. Heart rate and respirations settled quickly, abnormally so for me. Ive yet to feel muscle soreness in any way, regardless of workout intensity.

The eastern sierra backpacking trip in the 7th week went great. For the four days I ate precisely 8 oz of beef jerky, 10 oz of canned salmon, 4 oz of salami, and two 10” brook trout. I skipped breakfast everyday, as I had been doing for the previous six weeks. Im sensing these last few days that I’m going to have to kick up the food consumption. My body is hanging on to the last 10-15 lbs of fat, instead of burning it, and for the first time I’m feeling the slightest sense of hunger.

I had a physical last week. The blood work looks good everywhere except LDL. It was 242 which was only a slight increase from my last physical. Triglyceride/ HDL ratio is 1.17(huge improvement), and Triglycerides way down(also huge improvement). Doc didn't like the LDL number but he liked everything else. Same goes for the blood sugar/diabetes, and liver/kidney function series of tests he asked for. My blood pressure also dropped from 130/90 to 100/60. Doc said that is likely the reason I’m sleeping so well. I asked him if he’d write me a lab referral for blood work quarterly, and he agreed.

I’ve no real end date for the strict diet. Id like to loose another 10 lbs at least, maybe 15. After that, I’ll probably add back some veggies, and control the saturated fats some. Tuning up the fat/protein ratio is probably in order too, although I have no firm target on that yet. Hunting season will be here in 10 days. My mountain goat hunting buddies are in for a surprise, im gonna smoke their asses! One thing i’m certain of is staying away from refined carbs and processed foods in general. That shit is poison!

Great to hear. Even though you likely are, make sure to have .8-1gram of protein per pound of body weight every day. Also, don't be too eager to get your body fat down super low, meaning single digits. If you are anything like me, you will eventually end up feeling lethargic and lacking in energy. I have found being around 15% to be a good spot to be.

 

[The D]

Are you wealthy? Maybe we can work something out.

I have 3 young kids so…no, unfortunately I’m not wealthy

 

[EddieNFL]

I have 3 young kids so…no, unfortunately I’m not wealthy

Wait until you have grandkids and your wife spends more on them than you ever spent on your kids.

 

[higginsworksforme]

I like carnivore with targeted carbs.

 

[E. Bryant]

Great to hear. Even though you likely are, make sure to have .8-1gram of protein per pound of body weight every day. Also, don't be too eager to get your body fat down super low, meaning single digits. If you are anything like me, you will eventually end up feeling lethargic and lacking in energy. I have found being around 15% to be a good spot to be.

I don't know how sometime could be on carnivore and not get enough protein to support their lean mass. A diet consisting of 100% bacon would meet this target.

I laugh at the idea of the typical person casually stumbling into single-digit body fat percentages, especially when starting from the typical point of "man, I really could stand to lose 25-50 lbs".

 

[higginsworksforme]

That 1g per 1 lb of bodyweight began as 1g per 1kg of lean body weight, somehow became total bodyweight, and then mixed Imperial with Commie, so we're at 4x the amount of protonz as they originally planned. Is it all a scheme by Big Proton? Maybe.

 

[Laser1]

I've got a friend that has been on Carnivore for over 3 years. He is a retired 24 year GB with trashed out joints and back. Now his joints are pain free, he has lost weight and has good hair and skin with great energy. Back is still somewhat of a problem, but he has had nerve burning which has helped. He swears by it.

 

[E. Bryant]

That 1g per 1 lb of bodyweight began as 1g per 1kg of lean body weight, somehow became total bodyweight, and then mixed Imperial with Commie, so we're at 4x the amount of protonz as they originally planned. Is it all a scheme by Big Proton? Maybe.

Don't forget that you need to squeeze this 200g of protein into an 8-hpur eating window that only opens after you do your morning strength training and fasted cardio.

 

[The D]

Wait until you have grandkids and your wife spends more on them than you ever spent on your kids.

Oh no…

I like carnivore with targeted carbs.

As much as I have evangelized about carnivore and keto in the past I’m coming back around to carbs as fuel. But, using better sources like fruit, honey, and maybe some white rice. This all comes from a guy named Ray Peat who’s main thesis was that mitochondria in every cell in our body needs glucose as fuel to operate properly

I’m also becoming more and more convince that seed oils are the root cause of so many of our ill health

 

[Makinchips208]

Oh no…

As much as I have evangelized about carnivore and keto in the past I’m coming back around to carbs as fuel. But, using better sources like fruit, honey, and maybe some white rice. This all comes from a guy named Ray Peat who’s main thesis was that mitochondria in every cell in our body needs glucose as fuel to operate properly

I’m also becoming more and more convince that seed oils are the root cause of so many of our ill health

I’m not necessarily staying on track but yesterday my kids commented how McDonald’s gives them headaches. Well, thankfully, my phone was listening and sent me this video to watch. Lol the connection being he talks about seed oils in here quite a bit and how bad they are for us.

 

[Ronws]

If I am wanting a good clearing of the bowels…oatmeal. I can eat one oatmeal cookie, which I love, and before the hour I’m on the toilet. Faster if it’s a bowl of oatmeal. For whatever reason, I don’t process oatmeal.
I’m 63, 5’10”, 180 lbs and fucking handsome. So I don’t know why the oats are a problem for my system. I can, and do, eat everything else (except rhubarb, yuck!) without issue.
I just wish I had been born wealthy instead of so good looking.

Welcome to the club. Except I am a few years younger. 6' 4", down from 6' 6".

255 lbs down from 296 (I got rid of beer. My body holds onto carbs way to easily.)