Clark Co. NV

[Gunfighter14e2]

One trick pony's most always brand up for money, but what happens when the money supplier is no more, and your brand can't be washed off? A oath taken and,... obeyed or disobeyed,... says everything about ones true self. Choose wisely before starting the next game of tag.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

I just read the words "domestic terrorists" on a mainstream media site in reference to those who went to help Bundy.

Since when is saying "no," or even "hell no" terrorism? We need to help them with their understanding of the definition of the word.

Veer... I noted the same thing. You ask since when? I would argue ever since we adopted the "Four legs good, two legs better" stance on dealing with differences in viewpoints. Someone on the 'Hide used to have the tag line "Orwell was an optimist." He is a very prescient person.

Memory holes, Chocolate prices just dropped, sheep, dogs, pigs and blind chanting... if you have never taken the time to read 1984 and Animal Farm, you are missing out. Of course for high school kids today, those are probably banned books. Subversive turned up to 11. Get you sent home faster than chewing your Pop Tart into the shape of a Sig.

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[Mike_Honcho]

The side that commits violence first in this or any similar matter will lose. Ultimately Randy Weaver (at great loss) was vindicated. Waco woke a lot of people up. Tim McVeigh is where he belongs.

Really? Sure about all that?

A) I challenge you to really look into OKC - McVeigh was not alone, he was a patsy, and the buildings weren't demo'ed b/c of a truck bomb. Terry Yeaky - first on scene... Gen Parton... Why media video was collected... Why the American Society of CE was not allowed to review the damage before the building was pulled.... all good places to start.

B) Ruby - let's see he was set up, lost his wife and child, was compensated $100,000 years later, the gov admitted no wrong doing and he never even got so much as a 'sorry'. Ol Lonny H remains an industry pro with HS Precision, Chris Whitcom wrote a best selling book, and every one got to say 'I was just doing my job' with zero accountability.

C) Waco woke a lot of people up? Hmmm.... Eric Holder was at the center of all three of these murder incidents, more recently was caught running guns into Mexico, is currently being held in contempt, last week said that it was racist that he was asked tough questions, and generally pisses in the face of anyone who actually believes in America as defined by the Founders.



I think your version of winners and losers is different than mine.

 

[Turd in the Pool]

Well said Mike H! ;-)

 

[Mike_Honcho]

I just read the words "domestic terrorists" on a mainstream media site in reference to those who went to help Bundy.

Since when is saying "no," or even "hell no" terrorism? We need to help them with their understanding of the definition of the word.

Words have meaning. FM, FY | Western Rifle Shooters Association

We can thank GWB for these.

 

[smschulz]

Can't they just say that the grazing rights/fees = the fertilizing rights/fees and call it a wash?

 

[Maggot]

Really? Sure about all that?

A) I challenge you to really look into OKC - McVeigh was not alone, he was a patsy, and the buildings weren't demo'ed b/c of a truck bomb. Terry Yeaky - first on scene... Gen Parton... Why media video was collected... Why the American Society of CE was not allowed to review the damage before the building was pulled.... all good places to start.

B) Ruby - let's see he was set up, lost his wife and child, was compensated $100,000 years later, the gov admitted no wrong doing and he never even got so much as a 'sorry'. Ol Lonny H remains an industry pro with HS Precision, Chris Whitcom wrote a best selling book, and every one got to say 'I was just doing my job' with zero accountability.

C) Waco woke a lot of people up? Hmmm.... Eric Holder was at the center of all three of these murder incidents, more recently was caught running guns into Mexico, is currently being held in contempt, last week said that it was racist that he was asked tough questions, and generally pisses in the face of anyone who actually believes in America as defined by the Founders.



I think your version of winners and losers is different than mine.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[cav has been]

Words have meaning. FM, FY | Western Rifle Shooters Association

We can thank GWB for these.

Now if reading that doesn't make you a wee bit nervous you are made of sterner stuff than I. Seems as ol Dirty Harry has read some of the treasonous stuff he has helped pass.

 

[woojos]

Now if reading that doesn't make you a wee bit nervous you are made of sterner stuff than I. Seems as ol Dirty Harry has read some of the treasonous stuff he has helped pass.

Scary link.

On another point, I love seeing these supposed "leaders" get all flustered, end up launching into profanity laced tirades, flipping the birds, and generally going on the war path.

If anybody ever wonders why a good percentage of the population is growing up to be greedy, political, cutthroat scumbags, we know who they learned from. "Leadership" used to be holding yourself to a higher standard of dignity and self-respect and exemplifying it in your decisions and how you lived your life. Most of our "leadership" either is bowing down to money and hoping to punch their ticket. This is probably my biggest criticism of the way thing are.

 

[Veer_G]

I just read the words "domestic terrorists" on a mainstream media site in reference to those who went to help Bundy.

Since when is saying "no," or even "hell no" terrorism? We need to help them with their understanding of the definition of the word.

Veer... I noted the same thing. You ask since when? I would argue ever since we adopted the "Four legs good, two legs better" stance on dealing with differences in viewpoints. Someone on the 'Hide used to have the tag line "Orwell was an optimist." He is a very prescient person.

Memory holes, Chocolate prices just dropped, sheep, dogs, pigs and blind chanting... if you have never taken the time to read 1984 and Animal Farm, you are missing out. Of course for high school kids today, those are probably banned books. Subversive turned up to 11. Get you sent home faster than chewing your Pop Tart into the shape of a Sig.

Oh, I've read them both. It was sort of a tongue-in-cheek, rhetorical response.

I don't want their bread, their oil, or their circuses, and I think we have just locked eyes and taken each other's measure down there. This was only Act I.

 

[pmclaine]

Really? Sure about all that?

A) I challenge you to really look into OKC - McVeigh was not alone, he was a patsy, and the buildings weren't demo'ed b/c of a truck bomb. Terry Yeaky - first on scene... Gen Parton... Why media video was collected... Why the American Society of CE was not allowed to review the damage before the building was pulled.... all good places to start.

B) Ruby - let's see he was set up, lost his wife and child, was compensated $100,000 years later, the gov admitted no wrong doing and he never even got so much as a 'sorry'. Ol Lonny H remains an industry pro with HS Precision, Chris Whitcom wrote a best selling book, and every one got to say 'I was just doing my job' with zero accountability.

C) Waco woke a lot of people up? Hmmm.... Eric Holder was at the center of all three of these murder incidents, more recently was caught running guns into Mexico, is currently being held in contempt, last week said that it was racist that he was asked tough questions, and generally pisses in the face of anyone who actually believes in America as defined by the Founders.



I think your version of winners and losers is different than mine.

I think these beliefs indict many that I have respect for and I dont believe the people you expect to be involved in such crimes are competent enough to carry it off.

Fast and Furious was exposed by one agent with balls. Snowden turned a light on a stinking pile of shit. Randy Weaver was fucked and no settlement will make him whole. Having read some about the case I understand this but Im in the minority. The general public is more likely to remember his lawyer than Mr. Weaver. The fact there is no accountability is the fault of that same apathetic general public. When Uncle fucks up he just disburses our money in hopes of making it all go away without anyone being exposed for the incompetent fool they are.

Oklahoma being a govt hit job is there with the 9/11 conspiracy. If the creepy lizzards were capable of the tech ability to do it maybe I could believe it. Fact is I think the people capable of doing it and leaving no trace behind wear the First Navy Jack, EGA patches and SF tabs. I view these men as Patriots in a tight community that if they had wind such was going on the Second Revolution would already be happening.

The most dangerous thing we have going on now is the media in collusion and suppression of those few honest journalists trying to do their job of policing the govt.

Im an optimist. I think the fat lazy giant still exists it just slumbers in its attraction to the Kardashians. It better wake up though because the apparatus is being put in place NSA, IRS, State Run Media. The troopships on the tide and there is trouble in the wind, if a militia jumps the gun that fat giant will be scared and run to Uncle. If the giant feels threatened by this govt web that is tying it down like Gulliver on the beach, stealing its freedom, it will be pissed and the lilliputians wont stand a chance against its might.

 

[nesikabay]

Thanks for clearing up any doubt anyone might have had about you being a complete fucking retard.

No problem I will cut down and burn a few more trees. Hell I will do even better. I have 2700 acres full of trees. If ANYONE NEEDS WOOD PM me it yours bring a chainsaw. I have Oak Pecan and a Texas favorite Misquite

 

[MCSO1357]

No problem I will cut down and burn a few more trees. Hell I will do even better. I have 2700 acres full of trees. If ANYONE NEEDS WOOD PM me it yours bring a chainsaw. I have Oak Pecan and a Texas favorite Misquite

Mmmmmm, mesquite....


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[KYbulldog]

I just have to keep reposting this because it is so revelatory

"You know Bundy would not have a problem if he would just pay(taxes/fees) like everyone else does."

 

[DuneBoer]

I wonder why the Mods have not shitcanned this thread. Hmmm.

 

[Turd in the Pool]

I wonder why the Mods have not shitcanned this thread. Hmmm.

Because it's relevant and they appreciate the fact that it rubs your ass raw! DUMBASS ;-)

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

I wonder why the Mods have not shitcanned this thread. Hmmm.

Sometimes if the light is bright enough the true cockroach leaders are lighted. The fence is coming down and it's riders are having to brand up for once it their lives. Chose wisely as when you leave this earth you will only be remembered for your beliefs and what you stood or fell for. Funny how the ones who upheld their oath are being called what the name callers truly are.

 

[KYbulldog]

Sometimes if the light is bright enough the true cockroach leaders are lighted. The fence is coming down and it's riders are having to brand up for once it their lives. Chose wisely as when you leave this earth you will only be remembered for your beliefs and what you stood or fell for. Funny how the ones who upheld their oath are being called what the name callers truly are.

If I read that right, I think you just said Harry Reid was a Domestic Tourist…I mean Terrorist. (you gotta watch the vid to get that one

This battle is not a new one. Eternal vigilance is required. Ole TJ thought every 20 years we'd need to put a little fertilizer on the Tree of Liberty. Turns out we're a bit more civilized and a lot more forgiving bunch than that- thank the Lord. But what Reid did the other day is throw gas on the fire. And you know what they say about playin with fire.

 

[BadDogPSD]

If I read that right, I think you just said Harry Reid was a Domestic Tourist…I mean Terrorist. (you gotta watch the vid to get that one

This battle is not a new one. Eternal vigilance is required. Ole TJ thought every 20 years we'd need to put a little fertilizer on the Tree of Liberty. Turns out we're a bit more civilized and a lot more forgiving bunch than that- thank the Lord. But what Reid did the other day is throw gas on the fire. And you know what they say about playin with fire.

Dirty Harry Reid is a Political Terrorist.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

I wonder why the Mods have not shitcanned this thread. Hmmm.

Probably because we have managed to carefully avoid being overtly political and posts have not yet (mostly) crossed the line between patriotism and politics. Mostly.

As I mentioned early in the thread, it's an interesting discussion. As long as it's properly throttled. I have learned a lot from folks and I thank them for that. Let's keep it alive by using our judgment when it comes to opinions vs. facts vs. political dogma.

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[Aeon1]

This isn't the BLM's first foray into disputes like this. A very similar story happened in our backyard in the early 90's.

https://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=klump+blm+arizona

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ous&q=klump+blm+arizona

Steller: Nevada rancher case has links to, parallels in Southern Arizona

SHOWDOWN IN CATTLE COUNTRY | Phoenix New Times

 

[KYbulldog]

Probably because we have managed to carefully avoid being overtly political and posts have not yet (mostly) crossed the line between patriotism and politics. Mostly.



As I mentioned early in the thread, it's an interesting discussion. As long as it's properly throttled. I have learned a lot from folks and I thank them for that. Let's keep it alive by using our judgment when it comes to opinions vs. facts vs. political dogma.

Cheers,

Sirhr

The difference between Politics and Patriotism is knowledge.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

If I read that right, I think you just said Harry Reid was a Domestic Tourist…I mean Terrorist.

You read it correctly,...

 

[MLC]

Wow some of the folks out here are really classy, Richard Mack for example.
Using women as a human shield, who uses that tactic?

 

[FS1]

Wow some of the folks out here are really classy, Richard Mack for example.
Using women as a human shield, who uses that tactic?

US Militiamen apparently, I think the Muslim extremist do too. If we ever lose our gun rights it will be these Militia folks that make it happen.

 

[MCSO1357]

US Militiamen apparently, I think the Muslim extremist do too. If we ever lose our gun rights it will be these Militia folks that make it happen.

also see this tactic used by the Occupy crowd. It smacks of cowardice.


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[Turd in the Pool]

In the spirit of winning a dispute, playing fair rarely serves one well;-)

 

[pmclaine]

There is difference between "put there against their will" and "taking a stand at the front by choice".

Those chicks didn't look like they wanted to be someplace else.

 

[KYbulldog]

Wow some of the folks out here are really classy, Richard Mack for example.
Using women as a human shield, who uses that tactic?

I was quite surprised as well by the quotes. Definitely believe Richard Mack is wishing he hadn't said that. I certainly don't condone any human shield type tactic and if present would have taken measures to prevent such. But that is not what took place.

Not nearly, (in context), as inflammatory as Reid's calling those who believe their Govt is out of control "domestic terrorists" though.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

If it's a fair fight your tactics suck! Wait until the tit for tat is over and it gets real,...
Baiting the stroke rs, much easier than first thought! LOL

 

[Veer_G]

US Militiamen apparently, I think the Muslim extremist do too. If we ever lose our gun rights it will be these Militia folks that make it happen.

Our "gun rights" aren't accorded to us by anyone elected or appointed. They're merely recognized as being a natural occurrence of our existence and interest in self-preservation. I don't intend to "lose" mine, and I don't intend to let others wrap them up in paper and ribbon as if they were a gift from some DC twit in a pin-striped suit.

 

[FS1]

Our "gun rights" aren't accorded to us by anyone elected or appointed. They're merely recognized as being a natural occurrence of our existence and interest in self-preservation. I don't intend to "lose" mine, and I don't intend to let others wrap them up in paper and ribbon as if they were a gift from some DC twit in a pin-striped suit.

Gun rights are not a natural occurrence. They are Constitutionally granted and protected. The Constitution can be changed. Right now, there is no way that is going to happen. But let the people see enough of these Loony Armed Militiamen defying the law and things could change.

The only way I see armed intervention being necessary or legal is if The Govt. Effed with our right to vote. Or if "they" willingly defy the results of the vote. There is no right to bear arms against a legally elected Govt. You can not bear arms because the people voted against you. JMHO

 

[pmclaine]

Gun rights are not a natural occurrence. They are Constitutionally granted and protected.

The Founding Fathers recognized the right to protect oneself as a natural law. The big fight at the Constitutional Convention was concern that enumerating inherent rights would be mistaken for the belief that these rights would be assumed to be granted by the Constitution rather than existing in a free society as an element of nature.

Don't fall into the tyrants trap.


Edit - Upon waking this morning did you message your masters and ask them if you may breath?

 

[MtnCreek]

Gun rights are not a natural occurrence. They are Constitutionally granted and protected. The Constitution can be changed. Right now, there is no way that is going to happen. But let the people see enough of these Loony Armed Militiamen defying the law and things could change.

The only way I see armed intervention being necessary or legal is if The Govt. Effed with our right to vote. Or if "they" willingly defy the results of the vote. There is no right to bear arms against a legally elected Govt. You can not bear arms because the people voted against you. JMHO

The founders disagree with you regarding the source of our rights.

Can you point me to where in the Constitution the right to vote is granted to the people?

 

[pmclaine]

The only way I see armed intervention being necessary or legal is if The Govt. Effed with our right to vote.

Than according to your metric we may be closer to rebellion than you think.

Its more likely the IRS scandal was actual "effing with our vote" than its likely that the 2A will be repealed.

 

[Veer_G]

Our "gun rights" aren't accorded to us by anyone elected or appointed. They're merely recognized as being a natural occurrence of our existence and interest in self-preservation. I don't intend to "lose" mine, and I don't intend to let others wrap them up in paper and ribbon as if they were a gift from some DC twit in a pin-striped suit.

Gun rights are not a natural occurrence. They are Constitutionally granted and protected.

Horsesh¡t, sonny.

Judas goat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[KYbulldog]

It's not "guns" it's arms, and the reason we re-enforced the right was to protect us from legally elected bureaucrats who don't honor their Oaths they took when they got their legally elected position. And a law is no law at all if it doesn't measure up to the constitution or the ideals that give it life. Justices are not the final authority, the people are, and the people have had enough. The Bundy ranch issue is just a symptomatic condition of the rest of the country.

 

[pmclaine]

Gun rights are not a natural occurrence. They are Constitutionally granted and protected.

FS1,

Go here...

http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/bear-pit/247612-april-19-1775-a.html

And get a look on what hallowed ground such thinking is a big steaming pile of shit.

 

[FS1]

Yes technically you are correct, bad choice of words on my part.

But the fact remains those rights can be limited through amending the Constitution. That is also our right.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Freemen dont accept limits on natural rights, to do so would mean slavery for the rest of your miserable life. Stop thinking like a slavish serf.

 

[FS1]

We often allow reasonable limitations of rights..

Can you yell fire in a crowded room when there is none? Can you drive 100MPH thru a school zone? Can you fire a weapon across a road or highway? Can you run red lights? etc. ect.

The founders made it a living document because they knew things change.

 

[Mike_Honcho]

US Militiamen apparently, I think the Muslim extremist do too. If we ever lose our gun rights it will be these Militia folks that make it happen.

See there is that broad brush again...

You need to be specific… it isn't militiamen (whatever that means) it was Richard Mack.

Not wide swaths - one man.

 

[MtnCreek]

We often allow reasonable limitations of rights..

Can you yell fire in a crowded room when there is none? Can you drive 100MPH thru a school zone? Can you fire a weapon across a road or highway? Can you run red lights? etc. ect.

The founders made it a living document because they knew things change.

Bullshit. It means exactly what is says and if it's to be changed, a Constitutional Convention is required, not some commie fag judge saying it means what the hell they want it too. Fuck your 'living document'.

 

[ArmyJerry]

I read it as it was written, you are justifying your fealty to the higher power of the not so limited government we face today, man up a bit and look out for your own freedom man. It must suck to be you.

We often allow reasonable limitations of rights..

Can you yell fire in a crowded room when there is none? Can you drive 100MPH thru a school zone? Can you fire a weapon across a road or highway? Can you run red lights? etc. ect.

The founders made it a living document because they knew things change.

 

[Mike_Honcho]

We often allow reasonable limitations of rights..

Can you yell fire in a crowded room when there is none? Can you drive 100MPH thru a school zone? Can you fire a weapon across a road or highway? Can you run red lights? etc. ect.

The founders made it a living document because they knew things change.

FS1 - apparently you do not understand what Natural Rights are.

Anyone who can fog a mirror would agree with the limitations you recited above. And while the Constitution may be amended - the entire precept of the document was about the preservation of Natural Rights - i.e. don't F with those.

 

[FS1]

See there is that broad brush again...

You need to be specific… it isn't militiamen (whatever that means) it was Richard Mack.

Not wide swaths - one man.

One man who seemed to be speaking for the whole. He was speaking as their leader, if he was not that then why did not someone speak up in dissent. If you don't know what militiamen are, I have to wonder how you can comment at all.

 

[FS1]

I can see all the Pee Pee's coming out getting ready to resume the pissing contest. Count me out.

We have different views I am just a bit bewildered how folks who claim such love for the Constitution but only till it works against their thinking.

 

[FS1]

Bullshit. It means exactly what is says and if it's to be changed, a Constitutional Convention is required, not some commie fag judge saying it means what the hell they want it too. Fuck your 'living document'.

It actually can be amended without convention. 3/4 of the states must ratify. As far as the underlined goes see my previous post.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Some folks here have, (an still do) work/ed both sides of the table and I see a outing happening soon, if the shit keeps up!

 

[MtnCreek]

" As far as the underlined goes see my previous post. "

OK.

" We have different views I am just a bit bewildered how folks who claim such love for the Constitution but only till it works against their thinking. "

Enter the 'Living Document'. Hypocrite much?