If I leave American cash on a American counter for purchase of American things, I’m not gonna loose any sleep. The day I can’t buy things without plastic is the day I start shopping with my surplus brass and lead assemblies.
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Coin shortage, my ass.
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You do not understand what that means. It does not mean that the owner of a product or service has to trade it to you for that worthless paper. Btw, a debt is not a purchase.
So you will become a thief. What about ownership do you not understand? It is up to the seller to state what they want in trade for their goods. Paper money is just a token of value to be traded between willing participants.
No. A business in America does not have the right to deny American cash.
A individual is a totally different subject.
I have gold, silver, lead, and other options and will get by fine when worthless paper is actually worthless... however in that time I seriously doubt plastic will hold any value over money..
oh and it’s actually a textile, not paper
A individual is a totally different subject.
I have gold, silver, lead, and other options and will get by fine when worthless paper is actually worthless... however in that time I seriously doubt plastic will hold any value over money..
oh and it’s actually a textile, not paper
Ultimately it will be up to a judge to decide, not you. I don’t appreciate you calling me a thief though. The prices are based on the American dollar system are they not?
We are on the same side and we should act like it.
We are on the same side and we should act like it.
Yes, they do.
Money is printed on textile paper.
Is it legal for a business in the United States to refuse cash as a form of payment?
The Federal Reserve Board of Governors in Washington DC.
www.federalreserve.gov
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Wrong. NOBODY has to sell you ANYTHING if they don't want to accept your cash.
IF you OWE someone money, a debt, then they MUST accept your cash as payment.
"This Note is Legal Tender for All Debts, Public and Private"
If I'm selling something, I can request anything I want as payment, as long as it's legal to possess, and do not have to accept any other type of payment that does not satisfy my needs.
I'm having no issues obtaining coins from my bank. I also do not require large sums of change. Generally several rolls of quarters and maybe various other denominations as needed.
They "tubed" one roll at a time when they sent me to the non window drive thru.
I'm guessing many business' are just too lazy to get the change from the bank due to long lines and a lack of willingness to go to the bank. If they only take electronic payments, they have no need to go to the bank to make a deposit, so why go get change?
They "tubed" one roll at a time when they sent me to the non window drive thru.
I'm guessing many business' are just too lazy to get the change from the bank due to long lines and a lack of willingness to go to the bank. If they only take electronic payments, they have no need to go to the bank to make a deposit, so why go get change?
It's so bad that yesterday, the guy in the street corner was only accepting cards.....
Gulfstream V rides to islands in the Caribbean to have sex with underage girls seems to have worked pretty well.......
Oral or anal favors... free access to your children?
So you walk into a store you grab the items that you want you walk out when you're about a foot from the door hold up a handful of cash if they accept it the debt is paid, if not accepted the debt is forgiven.
You were the one saying you would force a merchant to give you their items for your worthless paper script at the point of a gun. "money" is just one means of trade, not the only one. It was developed to facilitate trade between people who did not have items they wanted to TRADE each other. There are several merchants I am aware of that take bitcoin instead of cash or cards
Not that I would defend any of those people but 40 years ago or so the federal age of consent was 14, USMCJ.
Generally Europe's was 14.
I don't know about the islands.
Being from Texas it was 17.
When I was in Europe occasionally a parent would tell me thier daughter was 14.
Being a respectable type (to some extent) I took that as a hands off warning instead of a thumbs up.
Generally Europe's was 14.
I don't know about the islands.
Being from Texas it was 17.
When I was in Europe occasionally a parent would tell me thier daughter was 14.
Being a respectable type (to some extent) I took that as a hands off warning instead of a thumbs up.
That's called theft. The items are placed out in good faith and for your convenience. Not for you to take and leave with.
When you enter a private business you accept their terms of how to do business. Assuming they are following all consumer, local, and Federal laws concerning the selling of goods. Which there are very few unless you happen to be in a highly regulated industry like guns sales. Ammo, BTW, has few to no restrictions. If you don't like it, leave. And if the business owner doesn't like it, he can tell you to leave.
I think you're having a really difficult time differentiating between PRIVATELY owned business' and .gov services.
You are mixing up the old marriage law with age of consent. Age of consent has been 16 for ages, the old marriage law allowed getting married at 14 - 16 with parent consent and there was no minimum with judge consent. Now, age of consent ( to have sex) is 17, married 18 unless a judge gives permission for a 16 - 17 year old to marry. none under 16
Dont whine when you get a bullet in the back for theft in Texas. A debt has a contract that both party's have to consent to entering.
The only benefit to a cashless society is preventing illegals from being able to operate in the shadows of our society for decades. I agree it’s the people benefitting from the cheap labor who would fight the change. It could also make the illegal drug trade and other illegal activities more arduous, but that becomes a slippery slope if they decide what we like to do is unpopular.
In the shadows
Also they don't seem to have any problem using Western Union to electronically send all that money back to Mexico...
But hey it's a good excuse to get the law abiding folks to give up their rights and live under total state control right?
It's only theft if there's no intent to pay...I've dealt with the police directly on this stuff. And guess what, if I attempted to pay and they refused to accept it I can keep it and if somebody tries to detain me... They go to jail.
My concern with cards is the data mining. Not necessarily from the govt. Your cc company sees that you bought 4 twelve packs of beer this month, assumes you are stressed about something, and boom; your credit score just went down. Now your insurance rates just went up. The level of manipulation is probably way more intrusive than we know. Ever had a problem with a govt. agency? How reasonable were they? Imagine if they could disappear all your money.
BS . it is theft and if you tried that BS here, you would get a bullet for your trouble. You do not get to choose how to trade, the owner of the goods sets the terms. If you dont like it, hit the road. Your attitude is not that of a Freedom Loving American since you want to force your views on others.
Cashless society allows the elite:
- tax every transaction, which could not be done if we exchange cash
- take a fee from every transaction
- impose negative interest rates. You can lose 10% and you cannot do anything
- no more bank runs.
- seize accounts
- can kill several types of businesses like gun shops if they cut their access to banking system
- they can easily track everything you buy, including how much ammo
- tax every transaction, which could not be done if we exchange cash
- take a fee from every transaction
- impose negative interest rates. You can lose 10% and you cannot do anything
- no more bank runs.
- seize accounts
- can kill several types of businesses like gun shops if they cut their access to banking system
- they can easily track everything you buy, including how much ammo
Coworker went to a shop with cash in pocket to buy two SUPs.
$2K in product on counter and seller was going to CV-19 refuse his cash.
Coworker should have walked but there was no other local option to buy from.
Coworker noted can of Lysol behind elaborate plexiglass bastion seller was in and asked if he could Lysol his cash down and make the sale.
That was acceptable.
Crazy! Who lets $2K walk over a hoax?
$2K in product on counter and seller was going to CV-19 refuse his cash.
Coworker should have walked but there was no other local option to buy from.
Coworker noted can of Lysol behind elaborate plexiglass bastion seller was in and asked if he could Lysol his cash down and make the sale.
That was acceptable.
Crazy! Who lets $2K walk over a hoax?
Prove it . Post up the docket number and case .
No one has to sell you anything. They can simply tell you to GTFO of their store and if you fail to immediately leave, you go to jail for trespass.
I know some stores that only take bitcoin, dont have bitcoin, go somewhere else.
You sound kind of butthurt.
Docket numbers exist when an actual case is going to go to trial. When the police show up and start loading people in the back of the car... stories change and so do people's attitudes.
Give an example... Store I worked at, manager almost went to jail. Called in on a theft oh, but the guy dropped 20 bucks on the ground. Cop...So let me get this straight he didn't steal it he just paid less than you want" so then you falsely reported a crime and illegally detained the customer is that your story?
One where I was directly involved in... Theft by check, fake driver's license... dude hit my manager... Threw something at him, don't remember I intervened by stopping a guy from leaving... I was told to let him go that we could not hold him. When the sheriff showed up I was instructed from them the same.
Another one I could have gone to jail on... Getting a customer out of the store. Guy was being belligerent, disruptive, was told to leave. After the third time... I made him leave, physically. Police showed up, if I didn't know what to say I would have gone to jail.
Happens all the time, doesn't matter if you like it or not. And in these times it's much much worse. Just look at the people who defended their property and having their weapons taken from them.
Docket numbers exist when an actual case is going to go to trial. When the police show up and start loading people in the back of the car... stories change and so do people's attitudes.
Give an example... Store I worked at, manager almost went to jail. Called in on a theft oh, but the guy dropped 20 bucks on the ground. Cop...So let me get this straight he didn't steal it he just paid less than you want" so then you falsely reported a crime and illegally detained the customer is that your story?
One where I was directly involved in... Theft by check, fake driver's license... dude hit my manager... Threw something at him, don't remember I intervened by stopping a guy from leaving... I was told to let him go that we could not hold him. When the sheriff showed up I was instructed from them the same.
Another one I could have gone to jail on... Getting a customer out of the store. Guy was being belligerent, disruptive, was told to leave. After the third time... I made him leave, physically. Police showed up, if I didn't know what to say I would have gone to jail.
Happens all the time, doesn't matter if you like it or not. And in these times it's much much worse. Just look at the people who defended their property and having their weapons taken from them.
It actually depends on state and local laws, so depending on where I am, your too bad statement applies to the seller in other places it applies to me. If you are a B&M store and you do not accept cash, your loss. I use cash a lot, I have NEVER had anyone not accept it. Credit cards on the other hand, I have problems with regularly (and it ain't because of my credit score or credit limits)
BS, theft is theft. You said you know lots of shop owners who went to jail so post up this cases.
Paying less than what the storekeeper demands is theft. Bouncers and private security can hold a shoplifter or eject them out of a store. This I personally know since I have been both a bouncer and private security.
Is it legal for a business in the United States to refuse cash as a form of payment?
Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled "Legal tender," states: "United States coins and currency [including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks] are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues."
This statute means that all United States money as identified above is a valid and legal offer of payment for debts when tendered to a creditor. There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person, or an organization must accept currency or coins as payment for goods or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether to accept cash unless there is a state law which says otherwise.
Only Mass. has a state law that merchants must accept cash. Philly is trying to pass an ordinance. Really is sad that supposed liberty loving members would want to force others to enter into a contract they did not desire.
Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled "Legal tender," states: "United States coins and currency [including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks] are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues."
This statute means that all United States money as identified above is a valid and legal offer of payment for debts when tendered to a creditor. There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person, or an organization must accept currency or coins as payment for goods or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether to accept cash unless there is a state law which says otherwise.
Only Mass. has a state law that merchants must accept cash. Philly is trying to pass an ordinance. Really is sad that supposed liberty loving members would want to force others to enter into a contract they did not desire.
They can’t count the change back!
Your information is out of date, more than just Mass require business's to take cash, keep google'ing, laws below the state level apply too. Once you have googled the laws in every city in America, you might have a start.
There is no law that says I must have a credit card.
There is no law that says I must be able to read ENGLISH.
I go into a cashless store, can't read the sign, go to pay in cash for my purchase and am told they do not take cash
and I say well I don't have a credit card and I can't read your sign, but HERE IS CASH FOR MY PURCHASE
What is going to happen? What is going to happen even if the police are called? I am NOT going to be arrested for theft, I promise you that. No theft is taking place. I am willing to give cash value for what the merchant is charging for their product. The merchant has not incurred any damage or loss.
To avoid any more stupid posts, lets assume I am buying a soda and opened it up and took a sip before I got to the cash register. I have more cash in hand than the soda is worth
There are plenty of real police that post here, what exactly am I going to be charged with?
If I am arrested under some bogus change and this goes to court, I will hand over the cash to the merchant and/or court official right them and there in the courtroom. I am sure the judge will say, settled lol
There is no law that says I must have a credit card.
There is no law that says I must be able to read ENGLISH.
I go into a cashless store, can't read the sign, go to pay in cash for my purchase and am told they do not take cash
and I say well I don't have a credit card and I can't read your sign, but HERE IS CASH FOR MY PURCHASE
What is going to happen? What is going to happen even if the police are called? I am NOT going to be arrested for theft, I promise you that. No theft is taking place. I am willing to give cash value for what the merchant is charging for their product. The merchant has not incurred any damage or loss.
To avoid any more stupid posts, lets assume I am buying a soda and opened it up and took a sip before I got to the cash register. I have more cash in hand than the soda is worth
There are plenty of real police that post here, what exactly am I going to be charged with?
If I am arrested under some bogus change and this goes to court, I will hand over the cash to the merchant and/or court official right them and there in the courtroom. I am sure the judge will say, settled lol
You actually committed theft by consuming the beverage before paying for it. It takes a sense of self entitlement to demand that someone bend to your terms concerning their goods . You feel the same way if I came into your store and demanded to use my Amex card if you did not have a merchant agreement to accept Amex. I will just tell you to take it or suck it as I walk out the door with a $5,000 rifle.
You want to see a deer in the headlights look? Say after tax your it $17.34, you give cashier, you give them $22.66...lol
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