Considering Colleges Fro Your Kids
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The fact that the title of this thread is "Fro your Kids..." is just priceless. It's either a play on words worthy of a Pulitzer or the best typo ever!
Cheers,
Sirhr
Cheers,
Sirhr
Honestly this doesnt surprise me........especially coning from an "uppity" college.....
People in admissions are fucking morons.....i gurantee you they saw the essay....and the fact that he had a middle eastern name and wre like " well we have to let him in".......
I get students all the time that honestly have no business being in college....none.
They are coming to me withhout knowing basic math......without knowing how to form a sentance.....and who have no problem solving skills..........and its really a shame, because the people in admissions MUST know about this, and that the students dont have the ability to do the work...
People in admissions are fucking morons.....i gurantee you they saw the essay....and the fact that he had a middle eastern name and wre like " well we have to let him in".......
I get students all the time that honestly have no business being in college....none.
They are coming to me withhout knowing basic math......without knowing how to form a sentance.....and who have no problem solving skills..........and its really a shame, because the people in admissions MUST know about this, and that the students dont have the ability to do the work...
^^^ I'd send that as a PM... think what Mass students would do if they outed you as hanging out in this crowd ;-)
Cheers,
Sirhr
Cheers,
Sirhr
yeaaah, im not falling for that one again......last time i told someone where i worked, they showed up in the parking lot with a gallon of yak blood and a couple chickens.......Thailand man.....good times.
theyd probably string me up with the yarn from their pussy hats and make me eat a salad or some shit........the bondage doesnt bother me......but being a hard core meatatarian.....i absolutely refuse to eat anything that didnt come from an animal.
Every kid/parent is sold the college education as soon as they start grade school. I think the trachers union see this as a way to perhaps open more spots for tenure/career building.
Ive been frustrated by my kids grade school experience. I understand the new math and the speed factor makes sense but I don't see the kids understanding the basics. The new math is kind of what you do later after you understand things like ones columns, tens, hundreds, etc.
I also miss the idea of text books. My kids come home with worksheets but no book to explain how the instructor wants the problem done. They get gigged if they do it the way my wife and I know how to do stuff.
We send the kids to Kumon. I don't know if that is a plus or minus. Id appreciate insight from any teacher types regarding that. Kumon uses repetition and allows kids to problem solve the way I learned.
My thinking is I don't care how you get to the right answer just get there. The kids teachers, its more about the process.
I hope the kids have some interest in a trade school education. I think it sucks that there is a bias that believes trade schools are for the dumb kids - I argue its quite the opposite. I went to a trade school and could pick up Klein pliers tomorrow and find myself a job.
I ended up going mil after high school than attended college after mil. Neither trade school nor mil life hindered me getting a "Some Come Loudly" sticker on my diploma. I think I took college at a time when it meant something (early 90s) before it had turned completely into SJW indoc. My interests took me through history and political sci classes and in hindsight I can say the most important professors took pains to be unbiased while teaching Locke, Malthus, Jefferson, Marx, Darwin etc.
College shouldn't teach your outlook on life.
It should teach you how to go about finding solutions/answers to problems/things you don't know. On top of that it should reinforce the proper way to communicate either in writing or verbally. Working with younger generations while conducting OJT I see smart kids without the means to write or communicate effectively nor are they sure how to find answers when they don't know something.
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i think youre absolutely right......
my background is in engineering, not education....and i teach my kids like im teaching a fellow engineer........i make sure my students understand the theory behind why they are doing what they are doing......but i tell them that at the end of the day, all i care about is that they get the right answers......i dont care which method they choose to do it with....
i personally dont know much about Kumon...but i do think "Hands on" and repetitive learning is the best way to learn something......and for lack of a better word "dumb it down" until they understand the process, then gradually make it more complex until they understand the theory..........think of it like shooting, none of us learned shooting by first understanding bullet dynamics and memorizing ballistics tables........we learned it by picking up a gun and pitting the sights on target and pulling the trigger....then once we had a solid platform, we built on that.
i honestly blame a lot of the issues on "common core".......i see the way they teach common core math and im like "well no wonder they dont understand this, fuck I dont understand this.....".........it is literally the most ass backwards way of teaching math that i have ever seen.........i really needs to be done away with.
but as to learning a trade......i REALLY wish more people would take the opportunity to do that, and i really think it should be mandatory at colleges to make it integrated into their course work....especially in STEM fields.........when people ask me "im interested in engineering, how should i get started?.......i tell them to learn welding and machining..........because at the base of it, those are the 2 most "primitive" engineering skills.....knowing how to cut metal, and put metal together........it not only makes you a better engineer..........but it also gives you more opportunity for work.
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We call it the EOP program here in NY. Students with no business graduating high school, are granted admission to a university where they spend the first couple years taking high school level remedial classes while earning college credits. This isn't some tiny percentage of admissions, we're talking large numbers of idiots who aren't qualified for fire watcher trainee.
I think education does a dis-service by setting all kids on the college track.
There should be no shame in telling a kid they appear more gifted in other areas and perhaps owning a van or shop with your name on it making an honest $100K or so a year is no reason to feel shame.
Our current system waters down the education level you can educate your college kids resulting in dumber graduates and the loss of value in a college degree.
On the trade school side its red headed step child status prevents training the kids to properly understand business and run efficient businesses so they can do the work, run the financial books and most often overlooked be effective with communicating/marketing to customers.
I think the idea with trade school sometimes is its seen as producing day laborers rather than business owners.
There should be no shame in telling a kid they appear more gifted in other areas and perhaps owning a van or shop with your name on it making an honest $100K or so a year is no reason to feel shame.
Our current system waters down the education level you can educate your college kids resulting in dumber graduates and the loss of value in a college degree.
On the trade school side its red headed step child status prevents training the kids to properly understand business and run efficient businesses so they can do the work, run the financial books and most often overlooked be effective with communicating/marketing to customers.
I think the idea with trade school sometimes is its seen as producing day laborers rather than business owners.
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Man, wouldn't it be great if it were a requirement! I think of all the times I have rabidly cursed some faceless engineer somewhere for the way he designed something I'm trying to repair, because it was designed with no thought for what happens in the field, and almost always the design solution would have been EXTREMELY simple. But no thought was ever given to it, because they never had to worry about anything beyond getting it through manufacturing.
That reminds me of the time i was doing the shocks on my sisters toyota......
Normally you would just jack up the car, remove the upper and lower shock bolts, and replace the shock....maybe a 1 hr job right?
The fuckers that built the thing made it so you couldnt pull the bolt all the way out unless you completely disassembled the lower controll arm and took the hub carrier off....fucking 4 hr job.
The solution to this......put the bolt in from the other side.....so you pull the bolt out towards the chassis and not towards the hub carrier....so thats how i put it back together.
Some nitwhit whos never turned a wrench designed the thing on a computer......and applied no thought to basic repairs.
Whether the kids are qualified or not their money/debt is.
The business of teaching how to problem solve on your own merits has gone.
The correct answer isn't as important as the process.
I'll wager you will not encourage many Einsteins with this method.
R
The business of teaching how to problem solve on your own merits has gone.
The correct answer isn't as important as the process.
I'll wager you will not encourage many Einsteins with this method.
R
Or......purposely designed said stupidity with a 4hr labor charge for the service department in mind.
My thoughts exactly. If his parents are also Muslim you can be damn sure they pushed him to get good grades. Now that I think of it I don't think I've ever met someone of Middle Eastern decent that wasn't book smart. Not gonna comment on that BLM written 100 times nonsense because that seems to me as just a silly news story ran on a slow news day.
As maddening as it is for me, it must be much worse for you, being an actual engineer!
Apparently his grades and scores were around the average for all applicants. It is worth noting that he did not answer the question put to him, what is important and why? He later stated that explaining the "why" is dehumanizing.
Remove the question, and answer, about "why" to any topic whatsoever and consider the worthiness of all that came before the absence of that explanation.
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Remove the question, and answer, about "why" to any topic whatsoever and consider the worthiness of all that came before the absence of that explanation.
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Thought right off how epic is "this". Irony, it's not just a tool or vitamin? lmfao
Whoa there bud. Just maybe the slanties did it that way so when some one doesn't use the correct torque spec, the bolts dont fall out going down the road, leading to suspension failure , and a killed family and lawsuite.
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eh, if that were the case....there are about a million other bolts on a car that are FAR more important that would be captivated as well......but they arent.....and it would be a practice you see on other cars as well.
in all honesty, even if the shock fell completely out, you still wouldnt go careening off the road....plenty of people drive around with blown out shocks all the time......
I'm still betting that's why my control arm bolts were captive on my landcruiser.
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You a professor? In math or science maybe? I was a math major (along with statistics with a couple minors) at UW and students coming into college are NOT prepared for that level of study and work. It was harder on me than it should have been. In my 400 level analysis classes, we had what, five people? Almost got cancelled. The professor I had wrote THE book on the mathematical dissection of Einstein (reduction of all his works into mathematics, it's a long read and likely the record holder for the least sold copies of a published book). Anyway, he turned me onto Whittaker and Watson early on, I picked up a 100 year old copy of "A Course of Mathematical Analysis" or similarly titled... That book was written for 1st and 2nd year students 100 years ago at Trinity College. It was far "denser" with subjects far in advance of what we were studying. In short, our text books have been dumbed down to the point that a math major with an emphasis on analysis can graduate with a BS degree yet be even LESS prepared for Masters/Phd. programs than would an English sophomore 100 years ago. I could go on about how abysmal our math programs are here, but it just depresses me.
The essay, as I was told by someone on the inside, is to determine the "fit" of the student, what they can offer the college, a way to maintain diversity of the student body, to provide equal opportunities to all. It also gives them a chance to see how eloquent you can write and how effectively you can use English to convey your ideas... Basically, it's a way to prevent the schools from being all white or all this or all that and to try and weed out grossly unprepared individuals, especially with competitive majors. It's more like that with large universities. With smaller colleges, it's a way to do the opposite: to keep a school mostly white, mostly black, mostly one religion or political view vs. another etc., ie exclusion.
But what they did at Stanford stumps me... Did someone see this and think, "Oh, that's just BRILLIANT!" because it's original, or was it more like one mentioned and he has stellar grades and can just say whatever he wants? My essay spoke about how difficult my life was, what I learned from it, what I learned in the army and that includes mistakes made and successes as well. I think had I wrote something 100 times over, I may have been rejected because despite having a transfer degree already, it tells the college nothing about me or who I am or what I stand for.
My buds daughter had 2400 SAT, 5 5's on the AP tests all A's, was a Google Intern, knows 3 languages...did not get into the big name schools....not the right diversity fit ethnically or geographically...if U know what I mean
Is doing just fine in Computer Science with summer internships in college paying 45,000$ per summer.
Is doing just fine in Computer Science with summer internships in college paying 45,000$ per summer.
Over the years of fixing things, I've cursed more designs/engineers than I could hope to count. If I could only have my arm strategically broken in 2 very precise places, I think I could get to that...
lmfao
You weren't my first guess on calling this out, but it's funny as shit none the less. Golden.
I was going to just let it go.
"We were angry with them, so we ... sentance ... to their picnic with orders to eat everything."
considering i wrote that post on a cellphone...i think im entitled to one spelling error....
but if you need me, ill be in the corner
Hey, you are more than welcome to all the spelling and grammatical errors you need. You have to admit it is funny when they come up in a post bemoaning the dire state of education today, simultanously claiming your own lofty place within said educational system. However, cell phone or not, there is no need for a self imposed time out.
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One "m" versus two, "mm." I sure hope you get the difference.
Other than that one is correct and the other is a mistake that betrays borderline illiteracy, I'm not sure that I do get the difference. But I am glad to admit the mistake and correct my error.
Being a machinist doesn't mean that you automatically have no need for your own language. Hell, it's free, might as well explore it. The m versus mm reference was meter and millimeter. Sorry if I may have cramped your style in any way.
I work real hard at my language, I'm just not real good at it yet. I don't have enough style to be cramped so no worries.
Working Trades (Machinist/Millwright) which also includes Welding, Hydraulics, Pneumatics, Drives, etc. and dabbling on installation Electrical 575v3ph30amp motors, and including 250hp motors and such.... and then going back to University to study Physics and Chemistry, with a minor in Biology leads to interesting thought processes.
I have gotten along with a large number of engineers on site, as well as 'called in'. To that, I have also had "discussions" with a few engineers whom wanted a 7/8x14 threaded blind hole, 1.500" deep in the face of 1.000" plate. And didn't see the issue. And crazy stuff such as that. Or welding galvanized CanTruss onto 3/4" plate.
One never knows enough, should constantly be taking refreshers, and should ALWAYS have technical manuals AND The Machinist Handbook nearby. And know when to reference them. And then, be extremely vigilant on the road, to avoid the delusional 18 y/o's whom decide to turn into you and change your life. If you're lucky enough to keep it, that is.
Yeah, I'm an advocate for the Trades. I'm also an advocate for Education. PERTINENT and PRACTICAL Education, that is. Underwater Basketweaving, Ancient Feminist Transitions, and Socio-Empathetic Diversity Amongst Deluded's should all be simply flushed down the nearest river. Hand 'em all a shovel, and get 'em building roads by hand. That's all they're good for.
I have gotten along with a large number of engineers on site, as well as 'called in'. To that, I have also had "discussions" with a few engineers whom wanted a 7/8x14 threaded blind hole, 1.500" deep in the face of 1.000" plate. And didn't see the issue. And crazy stuff such as that. Or welding galvanized CanTruss onto 3/4" plate.
One never knows enough, should constantly be taking refreshers, and should ALWAYS have technical manuals AND The Machinist Handbook nearby. And know when to reference them. And then, be extremely vigilant on the road, to avoid the delusional 18 y/o's whom decide to turn into you and change your life. If you're lucky enough to keep it, that is.
Yeah, I'm an advocate for the Trades. I'm also an advocate for Education. PERTINENT and PRACTICAL Education, that is. Underwater Basketweaving, Ancient Feminist Transitions, and Socio-Empathetic Diversity Amongst Deluded's should all be simply flushed down the nearest river. Hand 'em all a shovel, and get 'em building roads by hand. That's all they're good for.
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