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[MDT_Josh]

@MDT_Josh see above from @357Max. When we will see your DSDF mags hitting the shelf?

Good question! Unfortunately this is one of those projects that keeps being pushed back due to higher demand options. What that means is that I can't confirm if/when we'll have our DSDF magazines and they kind of live in purgatory right now.

We've got them running pretty well for BR based cartridges, but they require some tinkering for the 308 based (et. al) cartridges to work correctly.

- Josh

 

[MilSpecOkie]

@357Max

I had an 6 Creedmoor barrel with a .275” neck that was shooting factory Norma ammo at 3100+ with a couple over 3200 fps! If I didn’t have the Bullet Seeker going I would never have known why the primers were falling out on ejection. The chamber didn’t like the thick necks on the Norma brass is what I discovered when figuring out what was going on.

Yes, ARC actions are good at hiding pressure signs. I had loaded some rounds in Alpha brass that ended up being over 70K PSI, and it extracted like my 50K loads. It’s easy to over do it with quality components these days. I try use GRT or ask someone with QL to run my numbers if there is any doubt.

 

[Baron23]

So this issue of ejected brass coming out forward of the 3 o'clock position has come up before from some folks.

But it also seems (if I recall correctly which is questionable even on my best days haha) that other do not have this experience.

Is this so?...some come out perpendicular/rear of perpendicular and some actions eject forward to some degree?

And, has anybody found a way to fix this on those throwing forward?

Cheers

 

[lash]

So this issue of ejected brass coming out forward of the 3 o'clock position has come up before from some folks.

But it also seems (if I recall correctly which is questionable even on my best days haha) that other do not have this experience.

Is this so?...some come out perpendicular/rear of perpendicular and some actions eject forward to some degree?

And, has anybody found a way to fix this on those throwing forward?

Cheers

I’ve honestly never heard anyone say that their CDG throws anywhere but 1:30-2:00 unless they operate the bolt really slowly. For many, if not most people with this action, that is not ideal at all. I know that where I shoot most matches, any brass that ends up in front of shooting position is essentially lost unless you have time to hang around after the match and go from position to position and scrounge it from the piles.

If some people are actually fortunate enough to be having theirs eject past the 3:00 position without have to baby the bolt throw, I’d like to hear about it.

 

[Baron23]

I’ve honestly never heard anyone say that their CDG throws anywhere but 1:30-2:00 unless they operate the bolt really slowly. For many, if not most people with this action, that is not ideal at all. I know that where I shoot most matches, any brass that ends up in front of shooting position is essentially lost unless you have time to hang around after the match and go from position to position and scrounge it from the piles.

If some people are actually fortunate enough to be having theirs eject past the 3:00 position without have to baby the bolt throw, I’d like to hear about it.

Thanks. I might have imagined it.

Sort of curious if anybody has called up ARC and discussed this issue with them and, if so, what was their response.

CDG throws anywhere but 1:30-2:00 unless they operate the bolt really slowly. For many, if not most people with this action, that is not ideal at all.

Agreed.

 

[lash]

Thanks. I might have imagined it.

Sort of curious if anybody has called up ARC and discussed this issue with them and, if so, what was their response.


Agreed.

Well, there have been a couple/few people say that when the bolt is run slowly, it ejects further back. That is just fine for those shooting casually or maybe ELR matches where many single feed anyway. So, you may be recalling that.

Or I could be all wrong. I’m willing to be so in this case.

 

[lash]

Guess what? While I was typing in this post, @Supersubes was saying his is fine. Right here: https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...ection-direction-tweaks.7188774/post-11172977

That’s encouraging so I’ll have to see what mine does once I pick it up and put the pieces all together.

 

[Supersubes]

Guess what? While I was typing in this post, @Supersubes was saying his is fine. Right here: https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...ection-direction-tweaks.7188774/post-11172977

That’s encouraging so I’ll have to see what mine does once I pick it up and put the pieces all together.

It seems to be affected by how you run the bolt, not so much speed, but how you lean on the bolt handle. Tried to take a good vid of it. If you're on a hard platform, I could see it eventually finding its way off, since it would slide for quite a distance.


This got pretty good airtime, usually it doesn't do that.

 

[MilSpecOkie]

@Supersubes What cartridge?

 

[Tokay444]

So this issue of ejected brass coming out forward of the 3 o'clock position has come up before from some folks.

But it also seems (if I recall correctly which is questionable even on my best days haha) that other do not have this experience.

Is this so?...some come out perpendicular/rear of perpendicular and some actions eject forward to some degree?

And, has anybody found a way to fix this on those throwing forward?

Cheers

Betting ARC comes out with a longer ejector to push the case head off the bolt face earlier.

 

[lash]

It seems to be affected by how you run the bolt, not so much speed, but how you lean on the bolt handle. Tried to take a good vid of it. If you're on a hard platform, I could see it eventually finding its way off, since it would slide for quite a distance.


This got pretty good airtime, usually it doesn't do that.

Thanks. That actually is quite illustrative. I’ll have to take some time to familiarize myself with the bolt throw technique before I start fast cycling. It may very well be the techniques most of us have been using for bolt speed during timed stages. Most of us are pretty darn fast but haven’t spent much time practicing technique.

ETA: it could also explain the phenomenon of bolt binding that seems to be a common complaint with many I see posted on SH. I have a couple older actions that are pretty much shunned by much of todays competitive crowd due to the “bolt binding” issue. Yet I never have that issue because my method/technique doesn’t cause the issue. Imo.

 

[S3th]

Anyone running 6 Dasher out of factory AW mags? Flawless?

 

[TheOE800]

@357Max had some forward ejection issues in class

 

[giumau1]

Anyone running 6 Dasher out of factory AW mags? Flawless?

Here, see post 5336. Aw mags, HRD kit.

 

[Supersubes]

@Supersubes What cartridge?

6 cm

 

[carbonbased]

Here, see post 5336. Aw mags, HRD kit.

What happened to HRD anyway? No 6br kits seem to be available? Glad I got three when the getting was good.

 

[Ichi]

When the bolt is closed, the spring is not exposed. In fact the only way that spring comes out with the bolt closed would be for the action to explode.

The lower part of exposed spring is covered by the bolt body once assembled. The remaining exposed portion is covered by the lug abutment in the action when closed. It literaly cant come out unless the action blows apart.
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The Sako example picture you posted is not in the lug, it is between lugs. That may or may not be the case with the deviant, but it is a huge difference.

When it comes to engineering and machined parts I'm not just being a fan boy. This is a fully developed system. Ted has obviously spun this thing around looking at it from every perspective.

Here is another piece of the extractor design Ted thought of. Haven't seen this mention yet. Notice the hump left in the action opposed to the extractor with the bolt closed.
The cone breach restrains the front. Action restrains the side. It's not coming out unless everything is blown to pieces.
The 12:00 Higbee thread start is tits also.
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In this image of the CDG destructive test that Ted posted, it looks like the extractor is still attached to the bolt head. Or maybe it's just a shadow.

 

[giumau1]

What happened to HRD anyway? No 6br kits seem to be available? Glad I got three when the getting was good.

Nobody knows, glad I nailed four when they were available

 

[ThisGuy]

Yes it does. And for more traditional PRS where you cant cross the line till the end of the match, also sucks. Trying to sort through hundreds of cases.

I need one of them 3D printed brass marking tools.

Here is what I did and it works really well. I had an extra data card hold from the E-Dope system. I never liked the holder. But it deflects the brass that is going to be shot forward, and will not cause a malfunction. I ran it in two matches this weekend and it work flawlessly. I also run the HUD on the other side and now I have a

place to put either a sticky note, or a dry erase plate.

 

[357Max]

I never liked the holder. But it deflects the brass that is going to be shot forward, and will not cause a malfunction.

Clever fix.
I see I'm not the only one that's had the brass forward issue.

 

[ThisGuy]

Clever fix.
I see I'm not the only one that's had the brass forward issue.

I lost 15 pieces the first match I shot up at WAR with the CDG, that was unacceptable. Then I tried to run the MPA brass catcher and it will not work berceuse of the different angles it throws.

 

[Tremor3Guy]

Here is what I did and it works really well. I had an extra data card hold from the E-Dope system. I never liked the holder. But it deflects the brass that is going to be shot forward, and will not cause a malfunction. I ran it in two matches this weekend and it work flawlessly. I also run the HUD on the other side and now I have a

place to put either a sticky note, or a dry erase plate.

Genius!

 

[MilSpecOkie]

Here is what I did and it works really well. I had an extra data card hold from the E-Dope system. I never liked the holder. But it deflects the brass that is going to be shot forward, and will not cause a malfunction. I ran it in two matches this weekend and it work flawlessly. I also run the HUD on the other side and now I have a

place to put either a sticky note, or a dry erase plate.

This was my plan too. I just have to figure out a way to work with my one piece mount.

 

[ThisGuy]

This was my plan too. I just have to figure out a way to work with my one piece mount.

I was going to use one of thoes coated bendy wires, wrap it around scope, and then I found an extra card holder. I run a one piece also, it is mounted in front of mount on pic rail.

 

[4O6shootist]

In this image of the CDG destructive test that Ted posted, it looks like the extractor is still attached to the bolt head. Or maybe it's just a shadow.

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You also notice the case head, 338 lapua. Prob topped off with varget lol

 

[Rio Precision Gunworks]

Haven't been keeping up. Has anyone swept the handle?

Wouldn't mind trying to match the sweep of an AI bolt handle.

 

[MilSpecOkie]

I haven't seen any mention of it. I think with all the CDG orders from ARC, Vudoo and now MPA they are probably still just trying to get caught up.

 

[Rio Precision Gunworks]

I meant on the end user side. It was supposed to be possible. Never saw any mention of the factory sweeping it.

 

[7mmShooter]

I remember one guy doing it himself not long ago

 

[Jackomason]

This guy did it. I like it so much I saved the photo. No idea what the post number was.

 

[MilSpecOkie]

Here is what I did and it works really well. I had an extra data card hold from the E-Dope system. I never liked the holder. But it deflects the brass that is going to be shot forward, and will not cause a malfunction. I ran it in two matches this weekend and it work flawlessly. I also run the HUD on the other side and now I have a

place to put either a sticky note, or a dry erase plate.

I found my X ring dope card holder and put it on like yours. It works great for the occasional real forward thrown piece of brass that needs deflecting. I don't think it's going to cause any brass to pop back into the chamber as I thought might happen.

 

[MilSpecOkie]

It seems to be affected by how you run the bolt, not so much speed, but how you lean on the bolt handle. Tried to take a good vid of it. If you're on a hard platform, I could see it eventually finding its way off, since it would slide for quite a distance.


This got pretty good airtime, usually it doesn't do that.

Are these dummy rounds or spent cases?

 

[Supersubes]

Are these dummy rounds or spent cases?

Fired cases only.

 

[MilSpecOkie]

Fired cases only.

I tried that with fired cases in my GT and they would nose dive into the front of the loaded fired cases. Maybe if I had a BR kit installed they would feed. Loaded rounds feed perfectly. I had to single feed the fired cases.

 

[Supersubes]

I tried that with fired cases in my GT and they would nose dive into the front of the loaded fired cases. Maybe if I had a BR kit installed they would feed. Loaded rounds feed perfectly. I had to single feed the fired cases.

I didn't even try to feed the fired case. Figured that wouldn't work.

 

[MilSpecOkie]

Two posts prior you said they were fired cases?

 

[spife7980]

Two posts prior you said they were fired cases?

That he was ejecting… yes.
I’m not sure anyone would ever expect a fired case to feed from the mag.

 

[carbonbased]

Two posts prior you said they were fired cases?

In other words, he hand/single-fed the fired cases one at a time into the chamber vs. loading up a number of fired cases into the mag and cycling/feeding them that way?

That’s all I can figure out.

 

[Supersubes]

Two posts prior you said they were fired cases?

Seemed like you were talking about mag feeding empty cases.

 

[7mmShooter]

Anyone have to loctite/thread lock the bolt knob on their CDG? Mine was loosely snugged straight out of the box. Guessing something like vibratite vc3 or maybe blue loctite would work fine and still allow swapping if desired?

Got it timed to my Triggertech Special and all I can say is Wow… this thing is smooth even just cycling it in hand

 

[AllenOne1]

Anyone have to loctite/thread lock the bolt knob on their CDG? Mine was loosely snugged straight out of the box. Guessing something like vibratite vc3 or maybe blue loctite would work fine and still allow swapping if desired?

Got it timed to my Triggertech Special and all I can say is Wow… this thing is smooth even just cycling it in hand

My knob was loose as well, I just tightened it by hand, no Loctite, and it has stayed tight.

 

[7mmShooter]

My knob was loose as well, I just tightened it by hand, no Loctite, and it has stayed tight.

Yeah I tried that, mine still works it’s way loose. I’m gonna put something on it, just gotta figure out what’ll hold while still being reasonably swappable

 

[rijndael]

Guessing something like vibratite vc3

That's what I used.

 

[7mmShooter]

That's what I used.

Perfect, thank you

 

[MilSpecOkie]

@7mmShooter

I used a little blue LocTite 242 on mine. All my ARC actions actually.

 

[7mmShooter]

@7mmShooter

I used a little blue LocTite 242 on mine. All my ARC actions actually.

Sounds good

 

[Maliclipse]

Anyone recently get one in? I have two on order since february.

 

[ChuckieP]

Anyone recently get one in? I have two on order since february.

I got my 2 short actions in May. Did you order left hand long action? Either way, sent an email to ARC.

 

[Thauglor]

Still waiting on an order from June for a right handed SA, I should get a barrel in the meantime

 

[squirrel_slayer]

Anyone recently get one in? I have two on order since february.

Same here a RH LA from 2/11 was supposed to ship this week as I had them change it to a .588" bolt head to try and get it in time for a club shoot.

.535" bolt heads are out for heat treatment and have to get finished afterwards which was another 3 or so weeks out I was told.

I was told everything else was ready for it.

I also have a RH SA .473 from 4/20 that they said should ship in about a week as they just need to be assembled, checked then mailed out.