I took a file and a strop to that sucker for over 2 hrs trying to barely remove any off contact points, then new contact points would come up. All in all I got it but man it freaking sucked so would have just put the original in but somewhere along the line of me swapping it back and forth trying to figure out what was going on, I lost the little ball so I figured what the heck, and just filed it down. It works great now but man was it frustrating to say the least
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Mine was spun up by a smith to my action, my 5 min job turned into more than two hrs of filing and polishing but it’s up and running great. Shot a match in the snow and cold zero issues.
If my smith needed a, “special tool” to cone a 30° instead of turning his compound rest and using a boring bar, he wouldn’t be my smith anymore. I’m guessing he didn’t use the 2” tooling ball either.
That video nearly lost me at “adjusting a mag latch is an action issue”.
Am I on crazy pills? Is this not a normal part of building custom rifles (hence why adjustable latches are a thing?).
Am I on crazy pills? Is this not a normal part of building custom rifles (hence why adjustable latches are a thing?).
He’s a dang good smith used by many top level PRS competitors. He said he can cut it manually no problem but that getting a tool made specifically for it makes it more consistent and repeatable for him. I don’t know, I’m not a smith nor a machinist, but this rifle hammers so I am not questioning him! I understand what you’re saying though. It’s not that he can’t, in his opinion this is a superior way to do it.
Maybe, but even the adjustable latches aren’t enough in some chassis systems. Again, Ted says as much so it’s not a huge deal, but for someone looking at getting their first action, it could be a surprise for them if they didn’t realize it. I appreciate you watching!
But you had to modify the extractor.He’s a dang good smith used by many top level PRS competitors. He said he can cut it manually no problem but that getting a tool made specifically for it makes it more consistent and repeatable for him. I don’t know, I’m not a smith nor a machinist, but this rifle hammers so I am not questioning him! I understand what you’re saying though. It’s not that he can’t, in his opinion this is a superior way to do it.
The new extractor is not the same as the old extractor. I did not have to modify the old extractor. Many of us are having interference with the new extractor if our barrel was cut for the old one.
Yeah but if 2/3 of action/chassis combos need latch adjustment, it’s more of a “custom rifle” thing than a “quirk with this action thing”.
Maybe I’ve just had to do it too many dozen times to see it as an issue
I think that perhaps the point that this action was optimized for AW mags is missed by many people.Yeah but if 2/3 of action/chassis combos need latch adjustment, it’s more of a “custom rifle” thing than a “quirk with this action thing”.
Maybe I’ve just had to do it too many dozen times to see it as an issue
My LA got tore apart again and went from a 20” 7 PRC with an NX8 to a 26” 300 Win Mag with a 6-36 Gen 3. One of these days my ADHD will calm down and stop tearing my rifles apart and rebuilding them.
On a separate note anyone seen the new lightweight Wooks chassis? I have one more long action stock I need for an M7 and something about wood on a 30-06 looks right.
On a separate note anyone seen the new lightweight Wooks chassis? I have one more long action stock I need for an M7 and something about wood on a 30-06 looks right.
Are aw mags like a secure border? Non existent! When is someone going to have them in stock. @MDT_OFFICIAL
Correct. Rumors have been flying around that a couple companies are working on an aftermarket version, but I haven't seen anything.
Those out of stock ones they don't have?
Accuracy Internationl AW Short Action 10 round 308 magazine
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Like the rumors there going to tighten up at the border lol. Been hearing it for years but never happens
Oops sorry. I ordered a few from them last month.Accuracy Internationl AW Short Action 10 round 308 magazine
I think AW mags come in stock semi often, but if you’re shooting the 6mm BR variants, the HRD kits are the real difficult item to find, and from what I’ve been told, they’re having production issues and it could be awhile.
Well and like I said, Ted himself says that it will be required, it’s just the first custom action I’ve had to do it with. I don’t have dozens of experiences but I’m pushing maybe a dozen chassis/stock/action combos art his point and the only other one I’ve had issues with was a bergara 22. So you’re right, maybe quirk was the wrong term, but I still think it’s good for people to be aware of, and seeing how much adjusting is needed I thought can be helpful. It took 5x as long to get the latch back in the mdt chassis as it did to remove the material lolYeah but if 2/3 of action/chassis combos need latch adjustment, it’s more of a “custom rifle” thing than a “quirk with this action thing”.
Maybe I’ve just had to do it too many dozen times to see it as an issue
Could be. I knew that, but after the 3rd time ordering “in stock” mags only to get a “just kidding” email, I decided to run the mags I have. Maybe others have that issue too, I don’t know?
I'm building a 7 PRC or 7-300 PRC. What mag has worked for you? (I'll be using a XLR magnesium chassis).
I have a mix of Accurate, AI and MDT, so far I haven’t had any feeding issues but i haven’t run it a ton as I sidelined it in favor of my Mausingfield and SA CDG for hunting season.
I’ll be shooting it a bunch this weekend so I’ll let you know how it feeds as a 300 WM.
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They are a more difficult magazine to manufacture, which is probably why there are not too many out there. You never know what the future will hold at MDT.
The reason aw mags are non existant, is because of the CDG action. 1 year ago, aw or ax mags were everywhere, not any more. This is the first highly popular budget priced aw cut action that's designed around the aw mag, so a lot of builds are happening, the production rifle from MPA is using them, as is the Vudoo centefire. I'm not surprised of lack of inventory.
It used to be, actions cut for aw were high end price wise or custom order, most people building on them, had been around the block enough times, they new fitment and tuning were important for proper feeding, and accommodated the build for it. Most the high end chassis now have adjustable mag latches. The mdt m5 bottom metal as an adjustable latch to run in a stock, and hawkins will provide a custom latch that can be fit for aw in their m5 bottom metal.
It used to be, actions cut for aw were high end price wise or custom order, most people building on them, had been around the block enough times, they new fitment and tuning were important for proper feeding, and accommodated the build for it. Most the high end chassis now have adjustable mag latches. The mdt m5 bottom metal as an adjustable latch to run in a stock, and hawkins will provide a custom latch that can be fit for aw in their m5 bottom metal.
Yeah I forgot about that one. However a company who's dropping their first action ever, I'd steer clear until it well vetted and been in the field for a while. The Mac bros evo2 is also AW cut and at 750$, I've ran one, and they're good for the price too.
Hopefully it will hold an AW style 12 rounder!
Better yet a 223 AW magHopefully it will hold an AW style 12 rounder!
I disassemble and reassemble so many chassis for cerakote work.
MDTs mag catch is the only one that’s unnecessarily cunty for no reason. That stepped pin is such a pain.
Lol love that phrase haha
I’d argue the same about a newly released ARC action. I’ve had both and kept my Aero actions. Time will tell I suppose.
Yup, following this thread (and knowing how the past ARC actions go through many versions) makes me believe I made the right decision waiting to buy a CDG. Not a ARC hater as I really like my Nuc gen 2(actually gen 3/4 I believe) but I'm not interested in being a beta tester for a full priced action even if it is a great price.
While yes, ARC actions do improve over time, I’ve got a gen1 nucleus and a gen1 CDG LA that work fine and continue to do so. I care less that there are newer “better” versions out there. Mine work at their task fine and do it well.
I don’t think there were any. I’d say the CDG is the improved Archimedes, considering it’s been discontinued.
Correct, zero revisions. I have an Archimedes that's on its 3rd barrel, I like it more than my two CDG actions.
I’ve not had an Archimedes, though I’ve only read and heard good things about them. Based upon what I’ve seen and read from ARC, the CDG was designed to be better for volume production. Thus the sizable difference in cost. I do think that there’s still room in the market for lower volume, higher cost actions though.
IIRC the only two small changes to the Archimedes I'm aware of wasn't a revision per se, but fixes for the very first Archimedes batch shipped that were missing a helical relief cut for the lock pin on the bolt body, and they also reduced the diameter of the rear of the bolt body to clear certain triggers.
See Ted's post here: https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...or-mausingfield-revision.6922841/post-7976349
Other than those 2 issues from the very first batch, I don't believe there were any subsequent changes unless Ted tweaked small things for ease of manufacturing.
How many generations? I don't know but sounds like 1 from what most are saying. How many revisions? Probably multiple but I didn't follow that action closely because it didn't offer a feature I needed that the Nucleus didn't have. CDG is Gen 1 and has had 2 revisions that are known (the extractor and extractor plunger) and may have more that are not widely known.
I also really like my Archimedes and have 3 of them, granted they're all running calibers that are single stack mag only (2x .223AI and 1x 7 PRC.)
One thing I like about the Archimedes is they have a much stronger 22# striker spring but bolt lift effort is nearly equivalent to the CDG with a weaker 18# spring installed. If you put the optional 22.5# spring in the CDG the bolt lift is noticeably heavier than the Archimedes with the 22# spring. While I haven't measured them I'm guessing the cocking ramps are steeper and less of the bolt rotation is used to cock the striker on the CDG to allow using the optional non-pivoting bolt handle (in addition to the Archimedes being 75 degree while the CDG is 70 degree) which is why the CDG bolt lift is heavier than the Archimedes when using nearly identical striker spring rates.
Dry firing an Archimedes side by side with a CDG with either a 16# or 18# spring installed, it's very, very obvious the Archimedes firing pin "snaps" much harder than the CDG when you pull the trigger. The 22.5# spring for the CDG gives the firing pin quite a bit more energy at the expense of a much heavier bolt lift than the 16# or 18# springs.
I bought a CDG for my 22GT build as 22GT runs great out of AW mags, and AW mags are awesome when you can use them. No AW mags in an Archimedes...
Speaking of revisions, be nice if Ted would pop in here and explain his reasoning why he switched from the Rev NC "pointy pin" trigger hanger to the Rev A "tabbed" hanger with flat pins. My hunch is tolerance stacking on the pointy pin setup between the V-cuts in the action and the points ground on the pointy pins was leading to phone calls for either tight fitting triggers or loose and rocking triggers depending on how the tolerances stacked up, but it would be nice to hear from the source.
Did you mod the aw for 22gt at all on the CDG? I've tried to get 6gt to run from aw in my atx and tl3 and no luck unless all the rounds are stuffed to front the mag. I thinned out an hrd kit and it feeds bout 98% right now. I do have a 6gt barrel coming for my backup CDG action, it's going to be whored out as a loaner rig this season in our local league.
Zero mods to the mag, no mag kit, and zero malfunctions so far, but with the disclaimer I'm using it for varmints so I have not subjected it to rapid fire strings. My AW mags have the older flat follower, not the newest version ramped follower.
It will cycle fine when run fast on the bench with dummy rounds either at the back or front of the mag, but that obviously doesn't simulate the rounds moving around in the mag under recoil which can cause issues.
Could be the flat breech face of the ATX/ TL3 vs the coned face in the CDG.
That's not it at all, it's the picking up of the rounds from the magazine. I'm gonna tweak the lips to see if I can't get some more case head presentation.
Waiting on the notification of "in stock now" on those AW mags.........
Also, you'd think one of these guys with a 3d printer would be turning out some BR kits since the HRD kits are nonexistent.
I made a 3d printable BR spacer kit using magpul 5 rounder spring
Of course the repo needs a bit cleaning up... The design will be improved in the next few weeks.
