DeSantis or Trump
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Thank's , I try to be polite, and I know that I have no right to speak politically here because I live in Europe. But it is very sad to see where the USA is going politically.
The last free country that really has a gun rights and stupid democrats try everything to delete these rights.
Do you really believe Trump legitimately lost the 2020 election? At a bare minimum whenever Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, etc…… Supreme Courts ruled that the the mail in/dropbox scheme was unconstitutional, you should see that it was not a fair election. I believe it was way more crooked than just that. But at a minimum, they illegally changed the laws so they could harvest hundreds of thousands of ballots and get away with it. Do you really believe Joe Biden got 81 million legit votes? More votes than anyone in history of the country?
You’re being propagandized by the fake red wave thing. We took the house. Optimistic estimates were that we could get 53 in the Senate. It looks like we may end up with 51 if God is willing, which was the low estimate from the ”experts”. You’re letting what people on TV say influence your perception of reality. Sure we didn’t get governor of New York or other leftist shitholes but is that the bar we’re setting for Trump? Does he need to secure all elections in deeply blue areas to be worthy?
Trump redefined and energized the republican party to be something we could stand with. Think about the last few “top“ candidates they gave us before Trump. Jeb Bush(save the worst bush for last?), Rubio, Romney, Paul Ryan, Palin, McCain??? What the fuck? These are not serious people and they are not leaders. Just remember what the Republican Party was before Trump. Remember they laughed at Trump when he said he was going to run. He absolutely demolished. All of them. Sure DeSantis is young and fresh and tough, but is he strong enough to stand against the entire RINO machine and do what needs to be done? Nobody really knows. But he and Trump aligned would be unstoppable for the next 12 years. Just know that you are saying the exact things they want you to say. They are very good at making you think you came to this conclusion yourself.
So lets say you get Desantis to win the Republican primary over Trump. Do you think they are going to treat him any differently if he is on an agenda to clean up the swamp? They will come just as hard after him as they did Trump. If they don't, then he is compromised and wasn't working for you.
If Desantis is the real deal, they will make you hate him just like you hate Trump.
If Desantis is the real deal, they will make you hate him just like you hate Trump.
What he said^^^^
Now that they can manipulate elections with impunity, never again will anybody make it to the white house that has not been compromised either through blackmail, threats/coercion, or just being inherently evil and willingly playing along. I figure the reason NOT ONE of the Epstein clients has been exposed/pursued/prosecuted is they are either cooperating with their masters and doing their bidding or they are dead.
He'll win the nomination to run for POTUS, but his baggage will bring out the leftists like nothing before. I don't see how he can win against the rabid case of TDS the leftists have now, much less when he's the candidate for POTUS again.
...and... The left is likely to throw another collective hissy fit and riot their way thru his administration like the last time
He's 76 now. How much longer does he truly have?
As much as I'd love to see him win and rub the leftists' noses in it, as it stands now, I can't see a way where that actually happens
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Ron disappointed me by giving them future ammo by sending the wets to Martha's Vineyard. Was it funny, of course, but it could and will be used as him being cruel and cold. Did it really accomplish anything beyond pissing people off at him. I find it usually beter to be quiet until you can figure out how to outwit your foe rather than fight him on his own filthy terms.
A wise man said long ago, "You shall know the TRUTH and the truth shall make you free." There's a lot packed up in that statement.
Precision underground is on point
Looks like Pelosi is out of the Speaker spot. The Republicans just took the house. Herschel Walker could potentially win in Georgia taking the Senate.
That would mean conservatives control two branches of government. Congress and the supreme court.
That, IMO is a move in the right direction. If these jackasses say it wasn’t the red wave that was expected and it’s Trump’s fault... it’s been Trump’s fault for how long now? They are in damage control.
Looks like Pelosi is out of the Speaker spot. The Republicans just took the house. Herschel Walker could potentially win in Georgia taking the Senate.
That would mean conservatives control two branches of government. Congress and the supreme court.
That, IMO is a move in the right direction. If these jackasses say it wasn’t the red wave that was expected and it’s Trump’s fault... it’s been Trump’s fault for how long now? They are in damage control.
Was the election fair? No, but elections are never fair. I don't hate Trump, by the way.
I just think what the hell am I seeing the last 2 years in the US. There has to be a huge change if you want to keep your rights, including your gun rights.
I personally don't care if with Trump or DeSantis but the Republicans need it to win the election in 2024. I'm not talking about whether Trump or DeSantis is better. I'm talking about who has a better chance of winning in 2024.
I don't want to disappoint you, but I'm guessing it's going to stay at 49-50
seats this year in the Senate for Republicans. No kidding man, I pray the conservatives take the country back and the red wave comes but I remain skeptical....
Some say with elections you can no longer change the course of the country. But create a militia and.... ( you know). You end up in jail for ever because it fails, because it is poorly organized and not even 30% of the people are really willing to support it. This is not a real option.
So Trump and DeSantis together, in terms of running for Office... that's not going to happen.
Chaching.
The problem is in (fallen) human nature and no human can fix it.
Revelation 22
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The River of Life
22 And he showed me a [a]pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. 4 They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. 5 There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.But damn, this world can cloud one's vision.
Trump's mouth didn't cost him, deep state cheating, rhino backstabbing, and commie media cost him a legitimate win. I personally don't care if a leader talks like my co-workers, as long as they do what's right. Nobody worked harder to get conservatives elected this go around, and I think it's pretty shitty to now run him down because he "only" had a 174-9 record on election night.
It never ceases to amaze me how soon people forget how good we had it a few years ago. And a lot of the 2a wins in court lately are thanks, in no small part, to the judges he pushed through. I'll be sticking with him till he decides to quit.
yes of course NOT!!! I never said i hate ihm!, DeSantis will be attacked just as Trump is by Democrats. But that is not the important thing. The most important thing is winning, with or without Trump!
My honest opinion, Trumps way of being, his blow out mouth is not always the best thing, politically.
Either the Republicans manage to win in 2024 or you can say goodbye to gun rights one day. The goal should be to prevent that!!! No matter if Trump or DeSantis, it should run for office the one who has a better chance to win.
Agreed. Trumps ego is too big and he's already dissing Ron. DS would be a fool to hitch his wagon to Trump. The Donald did his good but I dont think he's re electable.
It's not 'Running him down." its just an opinion.
I hope for the best, but fear I see the writing on the wall. If not this year, soon enough. When you factor in the changing population demographic, and how the see things and vote, it seems inevitable. Rural America is fading, Urban America is growing. Look at Texas. Then factor in the forces actively seeking the demise of personal liberty and our way of life.
Fuck me, I'm glad Im not 18.
Do you honestly think for a minute, that we would have any inkling of the depth of corruption in our government were it not for Trump? They wouldn't attack him if they weren't afraid of him. I'm amazed at all the keyboard warriors on here that are ready to concede to the deep state. I want Trump, if for no other reason, to piss off the left.
The "running him down" part wasn't expressly directed at you. I'm just so fucking irate at all the folks who rode his coat tails to victory, only to shun him, and all the media that thinks they can push the narrative that he's wounded. That's bullshit. He has brought SO many people to our side of the aisle, and even with all the fuckery that took place (and is still happening), the right still did pretty good. Mitch McConnell fucked things up more than Trump.
I knew the depth of corruption in DC long ago because I learned about human nature long ago. "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely." Lord Acton
Deep state? Fuck the deep state. Theyre jsut pawns of the source of the problem. I dont fear them a bit because 1- They can only kill my body, never my spirit though the world does weigh on it. - 2 Ill be 73 soon and they better be quick.
He brought a lot on himself. He'd hire good people and then for apparently no good reason other then he was feeling pissy, would insult them and fire them. If he had hired me and I'd done the best I could for him, and he'd treated me lie that, I'd be pissed as well.
Insulting, abusing, and pissing people off on purpose, isnt the way to inspire loyalty no matter who you are.
Guess you don't get to catch any Trump rallies. There's usually more people in line waiting for the restroom than supporters for any candidate you've seen since '72.Against my better judgement, I'm going to dip a toe in here but don't plan to respond...or even read...what I'm sure will be a number of critical (nicest word I could think of) responses.
I;m a 70 y.o. life long Republican and have voted straight Republican since 1972. So, save the RINO crap, I'm not interested in those who divide the GOP due to their view of other's insufficient ideological purity.
This is just the way I see it.
The GOP's failure to win large margins in the House and Senate can, IMO, be traced to a few things;
1) SCOTUS abortion ruling. Very bad timing
2) Trump's very visible presence and influence in general and, in particular, his impact on getting his chosen, but often very weak, candidates thru the GOP primary and into the general election. Primaries, of either party, are determined by the party's far wing of partisan stalwarts and have little to do with the views of the broader electorate. IMO, this is why we end up with such shit choices of candidates to vote for.
3) Most of the same Trump endorsed candidates are still disputing the 2020 election as stolen by fraud which is anathema to a very large swath of voters. These candidates sound just like Clinton and Abrams claiming elections were stolen and this does NOT resonate with most voters no matter which party this crap comes from.
Want to win the WH in 2024... Trump, his megomaniacal ego and uncontrolled big mouth need to be sidelined. This is real politics, like it or...well, lose again.
Think of it...the only person Trump could have beaten was Hillary Clinton, one of the most hated politicians in existence.
The only person Biden the Depends wearing utter idiot could beat was Trump due to nothing more than Trump's own actions and words. Wanna put Trump up again? Really? He was beaten by a fucking vegetable.
I have never understood anyone having personal loyalty to any politician of any stripe as they are all....ok, most....self-entitled and arrogant assholes most concerned with protecting their place at the public trough and they don't really give a flying fuck about you or the health of our country.
Trump showed his true colors, yet again, when he attacked DeSantis to the detriment of the GOP because....well, its got to be all about Trump. Not familiar with that? Here, pick the news media of your choice
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When Trump first announced he was running and all during his campaign nobody thought he would win but he did. With no experience in politics he took out 18 republicans and made Hilary look like a fool. Trump isn't someone to underestimate.
Im expecting this too.
Dont know. He will be 78 in 2024. He could retire and enjoy the time he has left. I don't think he will though. Trump is a brawler. Its not in his nature to quit.
Notice how anyone who comes here to say “Trump is done” repeats word-for-word what the stiffs on cnn, fox, and cbs have all been repeating since 11Pm on Tuesday. It’s wild that people will come and list all these points as to why Trump is done ans if they came up with them and then you can turn on the TV and hear the exact same points repeated over and over by everybody. This is how propaganda works. RINOs knew if they could get Trump to take a shot at DeSantis a lot of ppl would turn on him. It was a good plan. A lot of ppl are blindly lapping it up.
Note that most people who are turning on Trump have to talk about his ego. Most of their egos are too fragile to live in the same world as Trump. I’m here to tell you if we don’t have someone with a big ego we’re not getting anywhere. Trump sat down with the G8 or whatever it was, and told Germany to their face that they were morons for expanding the Russian pipeline. The nice dinner turned a bit weird after that with everyone sheepishly looking around. But you know what? He was exactly right. Someone without a big ego would never have the balls to say that at a nice dinner, but it needed to be said.
If the media would do their job and show these things to people and show that Trump told us exactly what was coming on, Russia, inflation, immigration, shady elections, etc… people would see that he knows what the issues are. The media portrays him as a buffoon, but there’s not a lot that he gets wrong. Sure everyone gets some stuff wrong but I haven’t seen anyone else do a better job….if actual real world results are the barometer we’re using To define success.
MMA fighters have big egos. They have to have big egos to go toe to toe with a bad MFer a brutal fight. That’s what we have to have to get out of this mess. If you can’t handle knowing that trumps ego is bigger than yours and you would rather have a Romney or a McCain, or another Bush, or any other sheepish, worthless, bullshitting politician, I hate to break it to you but you are the problem.
DeSantis might just be the next thing we need. I really hope he is. I really like him. But don’t let them trick you into thinking you have to pick one or the other right now. I’ve heard things from behind the scenes that do make me wonder about DeSantis. But I don’t believe those things yet because I know the rhino machine is trying to start shit. I would guess Trump has better information than I do. Trump did basically rescue DeSantis in 2017 and get him across the line in Florida. If DeSantis is behind his back being shady, Trump is probably right to call him out. I really hope it’s just a rino plan that was cooked up and DeSantis and Trump will talk and straighten it out. Because where we’re headed now is really bad. And it has nothing to do with the midterms. It has to do with the corporate media chanting propaganda in unison and controlling peoples perception of reality.
Note that most people who are turning on Trump have to talk about his ego. Most of their egos are too fragile to live in the same world as Trump. I’m here to tell you if we don’t have someone with a big ego we’re not getting anywhere. Trump sat down with the G8 or whatever it was, and told Germany to their face that they were morons for expanding the Russian pipeline. The nice dinner turned a bit weird after that with everyone sheepishly looking around. But you know what? He was exactly right. Someone without a big ego would never have the balls to say that at a nice dinner, but it needed to be said.
If the media would do their job and show these things to people and show that Trump told us exactly what was coming on, Russia, inflation, immigration, shady elections, etc… people would see that he knows what the issues are. The media portrays him as a buffoon, but there’s not a lot that he gets wrong. Sure everyone gets some stuff wrong but I haven’t seen anyone else do a better job….if actual real world results are the barometer we’re using To define success.
MMA fighters have big egos. They have to have big egos to go toe to toe with a bad MFer a brutal fight. That’s what we have to have to get out of this mess. If you can’t handle knowing that trumps ego is bigger than yours and you would rather have a Romney or a McCain, or another Bush, or any other sheepish, worthless, bullshitting politician, I hate to break it to you but you are the problem.
DeSantis might just be the next thing we need. I really hope he is. I really like him. But don’t let them trick you into thinking you have to pick one or the other right now. I’ve heard things from behind the scenes that do make me wonder about DeSantis. But I don’t believe those things yet because I know the rhino machine is trying to start shit. I would guess Trump has better information than I do. Trump did basically rescue DeSantis in 2017 and get him across the line in Florida. If DeSantis is behind his back being shady, Trump is probably right to call him out. I really hope it’s just a rino plan that was cooked up and DeSantis and Trump will talk and straighten it out. Because where we’re headed now is really bad. And it has nothing to do with the midterms. It has to do with the corporate media chanting propaganda in unison and controlling peoples perception of reality.
I'd certainly vote for Trump again. With that said, you can guarantee that the republican establishment will just quietly throw the 2024 election to the democrats just to keep Trump out of their playground. The only reason they are teasing DeSantis with a front row seat is to dilute Trump support. They don't want DeSantis either, but they sure will use him as a tool. They will throw the election to the democrats even with DeSantis as front runner.
But do you really know if it was called for? Trump basically made DeSantis’ political career and got him across the line in 2018 when he was clearly not even going to win the primary. It is 100% called for if DeSantis is now making moves with RINOs against Trump. We just don’t know if that’s the case. I hope it’s not because I really like DeSantis. If the rinos get to him it will be tragic. I have a hard time believing DeSantis would go there but we’ll see.
My point is, don’t believe what you’re hearing on TV. I’ve got fairly inside/credible information that Paul Ryan and others cooked this up. They could very well have brought DeSantis in and gave the look that he was wanting to stab Trump in the back. Maybe he does want to stab Trump in the back. Maybe Ryan’s Quagmire looking ass
just set it up so it would look that way to trump in a very convincing way. That’s trumps big weakness, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re trying to exploit it. As I said, I’m hoping it was a bad plan cooked up by RINOs as a last ditch effort and DeSantis and Trump will align rather than fracturing the base. Let’s just hold off and see what happens before taking sides. The left and the swampy right hate Trump. Remember that. Seven years of nonstop media blitz, three years of illegal spying, and a $40 million FBI investigation couldn’t get him. Don’t let these idiots turn us against each other and do their work for them. If DeSantis and Trump did a joint press conference and aligned the left and RINOs would absolutely melt down and go into fetal positions for the remainder of the year. Isn’t that the ultimate goal?
Fair enough. But who is DeSantis?
He's done well in Florida as governor, kept Antifa out, didn't allow Covid shut downs when other including Abbott did. But nobody expected the swamp to include virtually everybody except Jim Jordon, Rand Paul and sometimes Ted Cruz to turn on the president.
Do you think any other other man or woman can stand up to four years of 3rd World kangaroo courts, fabricated dossiers and bullshit impeachments without caving and becoming one of them?
People like Trump and Elon Musk have fuck you money and don't have to become one of them to survive.
And no, I'm not falling for the Lincoln Project bullshit although the Leftwing shills that have taken over barfcom are all calling for 'Trumpy' to 'just go away.'
Jesus wouldn't get elected by dems based on HIS stance on gay marriage and abortion. "Follow me and sin no more" would be HIS slogan and the dims would consider that hate speech.
The media always promotes the candidate they believe best for the establishment than tears them apart just prior to the election.
Desantis is very good but the media promoting him is for establishment gain by trying to hurt the idea of tearing it down and starting it over at a clean slate.
Trump is the only powerhouse right now that has the ability to do that.
He sucked at it the first time but after now realizing they invented crimes and gave him none of the quarter he gave them for committing real crimes.......just maybe he knows how vicious the fight is and won't listen to fat fucks or fail to recognize traitors because they once wore USMC uniforms.
Desantis is very good but the media promoting him is for establishment gain by trying to hurt the idea of tearing it down and starting it over at a clean slate.
Trump is the only powerhouse right now that has the ability to do that.
He sucked at it the first time but after now realizing they invented crimes and gave him none of the quarter he gave them for committing real crimes.......just maybe he knows how vicious the fight is and won't listen to fat fucks or fail to recognize traitors because they once wore USMC uniforms.
Desantis issued EO and shut down businesses as well. He decided who was necessary and not. Schools were still closed and kids still abused in school upon their return. He just worked on a slightly faster timeline than others.
Ego kills, which is why there is so much work put into subjugating the egos of hyper-competent men in life-or-death professions. You might be able to have a huge ego and rise in the ranks of those who pound on each other for a few minutes with a ref and a medic standing by. But your average WWII vet was a quiet humble man for a reason, and you also won't find any big egos at the local firehouse or logging site (at least not for long).
I know a couple of guys who race motorcycles in the summer and snowmobiles in the winter. Both sports are far more dangerous than MMA fighting, and yet both of these men are quiet and humble despite being exceptionally good at a dangerous and difficult sport. They also both walk without limps after doing this for 40+ years, which offers a clue as to the efficacy of humility and hard work.
Now, bringing this back to the topic at hand - good leaders must also subjugate their egos, because everyone has blind spots. This doesn't mean being weak, and confusing the two states is a common mistake. It simply means that if you surround yourself with good people (something that Trump has proven to be incapable of doing), then you can stop walking around like you're the only one capable of doing the job. You can offer those around you ample credit for getting the job done, without looking weak or unnecessary. You can take a praise-in-public-and-criticize-in-private approach. And you can give all due credit to a higher power. Setting aside the ego is one of the biggest power moves a leader can do.
Getting a little a head og the call but it appears they will.
Correct, the race is not over.
I don’t have, and never will pay for cable tv in my house. So Ignore what the talking heads are saying. Following the race on line.
Good chance, Republicans will win the majority
And it seems Trump is turning into a complete egotistic narcissist. Attack anyone and everyone. Thats not a good leader.
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agree 1000% on trump ego and shut up.
his mouth made this election cycle harder than it should have been, because hes so polarizing good or bad
JFL was over rated, if he didnt get killed (which was horrible) he wouldnt be as revered.
he prob would have won again and hed be associated with Vietnam/american soldiers not just the prelims.
once at war..unless you win like truman history is not so kind
Joe Biden is 1000x more retarded than Trump.
The difference is, two years after Biden was elected they still give Trump 100x the air time
He scares the shit out of them.
Democrats just elected a dead guy and somebody who literally can’t talk because he just had a brain aneurysm... They don’t vote logic they vote some weird emotion or just a desire to destroy this country so they vote for shitty people
i dont agree on trump air time
hes a punching bag for the left
it allows the left to group all republicans "under trump" if they only cover trump
the left knows trump will not win if he tries again so they are pushing him as the front runner
if desantis or alike runs, its a real debate and election cycle and the independent voters that just cannot make themselves vote for trump because hes "mean and hates women" will vote for desantis.
any republican candidate will have to spend more time saying hes not trump than saying how biden sucks.. very simple and effective use of their campaign money and time.
desantis is the bill clinton of the right, young, speaks well, record is good enough etc.
the dems dont have that tight now, they had that with obama.
so make trump the evil republican and the middle of the road people will stay away.
logic has nothing to do with it lol. how does NYC vote dem if under their supervision crime is through the roof...yet when asked on exit polls crime was #1 or #2 level of importance.
if shitstains like politico are pushing the story, you are probably better off ignoring it.
The election ended three days ago, we are weeks if not months from learning the results. Some leftist counties are only 20% thru counting ballots and they are still post marking and printing new ballots to replace Republican ballots they disagree with and refuse to count. There is literally no proof you ballot was counted in a manner that reflects your vote in 100% of the races in this country. There is very little proof people in many states are actually Americans and less proof that they live there and had a legal right to vote because they were residents.
Here is how you know the system is corrupt and fraud is rampant.
Step 1. Ask for permission to review voter rolls and verify that all current voters are in fact alive, provided ID and proof of residency in the area.
Step 2. Watch them refuse to allow access and force you into a court room. If you get past the leftist judge. Watch them refuse to take the questionable voters off the rolls. Head back to court and hope leftist judge takes you side. In the end, voter rolls are still screwed up.
Rise, wash and repeat.
I was visiting in North Carolina a couple of years ago. The children of a life-long Republican voter had commented that after he died, the family received his corrected voter registration. Since he died, he was now a Democrat. They called the local TV station and it was a story. The county apologized and said, " We are sorry for the error and we can assure the family no more information will be sent to their house."
The important thing is what they did not say. They did not say they removed him from the voter rolls and they sure as hell did not say he would stop voting. They said they would send his dead man's ballot to another address. Listen to what they say when caught, they never say they will correct it or stop the steal.
Here is how you know the system is corrupt and fraud is rampant.
Step 1. Ask for permission to review voter rolls and verify that all current voters are in fact alive, provided ID and proof of residency in the area.
Step 2. Watch them refuse to allow access and force you into a court room. If you get past the leftist judge. Watch them refuse to take the questionable voters off the rolls. Head back to court and hope leftist judge takes you side. In the end, voter rolls are still screwed up.
Rise, wash and repeat.
I was visiting in North Carolina a couple of years ago. The children of a life-long Republican voter had commented that after he died, the family received his corrected voter registration. Since he died, he was now a Democrat. They called the local TV station and it was a story. The county apologized and said, " We are sorry for the error and we can assure the family no more information will be sent to their house."
The important thing is what they did not say. They did not say they removed him from the voter rolls and they sure as hell did not say he would stop voting. They said they would send his dead man's ballot to another address. Listen to what they say when caught, they never say they will correct it or stop the steal.
I know this probably doesn't escape many here, but a good synopsis of where we're at. https://theconservativetreehouse.co...ctimonious-is-not-about-the-florida-governor/
It likely won't matter which republican runs for president, or any other office. Now that the dims have mastered the art of slow-walking election results, it's all but over, since nearly 80% of these delayed 'counts' go to democrats. The first case of this I recall was Al Franken in Minnesota, where I believe they found 700 votes in someones' trunk, just enough to win. The Minn supreme court(3 democrats), all thought that was perfectly 'legal'.
It's way too late for voting.
Yep!!!
The bushes were so pissed off at Trump they literally supported Hillary Clinton.
This shift isn’t gonna happen overnight and you can’t give up on it just because of one loss. It’s long never ending battle!
Quitting is losing.
Look, it doesn't take a genius to realize that the person who is nominated by the Republicans MUST be completely supported by the ENTIRE Republican party. There can be no divide. This is where the Demwits playbook is better than ours. They get behind their candidate (good or bad) and ride him to the election win. Look at what they did with Biden.
We must stop all of this internal fighting and get behind ONE candidate and take him to the bank. If not, we will have at least another 4 years of Demwit rule.
We must stop all of this internal fighting and get behind ONE candidate and take him to the bank. If not, we will have at least another 4 years of Demwit rule.
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