Did Steiner just quietly build the MPO we have all been asking for? H6xi

#101
Birddog6424 said:
Yeh, those number don't seem right.

I'll reach out and see if I can't clear it up..
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For the optical system Steiner uses, it should be right around 9.2ft at 100 yards on 12x. That makes for an apparent FOV of right around 21degrees. Once I get my hands on it, I'll measure what it is exactly, but these numbers should be in the ballpark.

ILya
 
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Birddog6424 said:
My guy in Greeley is pretty sure that's a typo. He didn't have to correct figures off the top of his head, but he said there shouldn't be much deviation from T6Xi figures.

I think Ilya's numbers on FOV are going to be closer to accurate.
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Thank you Bird, I was hoping that might be the case, sure would be nice if we had official numbers. I am looking forward to the new Mil/Mil H6Xi so hopefully they can bring that to market soon...
 
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Okay, time for a spring bump, since that’s what was referenced.

I still see no listings for an H6Xi 2-12 mil scope anywhere. Steiner’s website makes no acknowledgement that it will exist.

Here’s what is posted by Steiner every time someone asks about a mil version:

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Did they not get the memo yet?
 
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lash said:
I agree. The T series reticle is too fine imo and it’s 9 more oz., with a larger objective. Great for comps, but I like a quicker reticle in a hunting scope.

George and Bushnell hit a great combo with their LRHS and LRHSi scopes.
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Yeah i have the T6Xi 3-18 great optic. The 2.5-15 basically shouldn’t exist given its weight.

I just wish the 3-12 LRHS would’ve stuck around. Hate the form factor of the 4-18
 
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ILya said he's seen the reticle and talked to them about it, they say it is coming, but that doesn't mean it won't take longer or someone else killed the project. @Birddog6424 I know you have secret contacts at Steiner, any news on this becoming reality anytime soon?
 
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Glassaholic said:
ILya said he's seen the reticle and talked to them about it, they say it is coming, but that doesn't mean it won't take longer or someone else killed the project. @Birddog6424 I know you have secret contacts at Steiner, any news on this becoming reality anytime soon?
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I'll go visit them in June.

I'll ask.

ILya
 
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lash said:
Okay, time for a spring bump, since that’s what was referenced.

I still see no listings for an H6Xi 2-12 mil scope anywhere. Steiner’s website makes no acknowledgement that it will exist.

Here’s what is posted by Steiner every time someone asks about a mil version:

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Did they not get the memo yet?
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Model 8782



Product Description

Product Description | Camera Land NY
cameralandny.com cameralandny.com

www.eurooptic.com

Steiner H6Xi 2-12x42mm STR-MIL FFP Riflescope 8782 For Sale | SHIPS FREE - EuroOptic

FREE SHIPPING on Steiner H6Xi 2-12x42mm STR-MIL FFP Riflescope 8782
www.eurooptic.com www.eurooptic.com
 
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ChrisAU said:
Model 8782



Product Description

Product Description | Camera Land NY
cameralandny.com cameralandny.com

www.eurooptic.com

Steiner H6Xi 2-12x42mm STR-MIL FFP Riflescope 8782 For Sale | SHIPS FREE - EuroOptic

FREE SHIPPING on Steiner H6Xi 2-12x42mm STR-MIL FFP Riflescope 8782
www.eurooptic.com www.eurooptic.com
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The videos say April-May….really want to read a review or see a video. I’m tempted to order the moa hunter reticle version…as this scope seems to be the exact glass I am looking for for my mini fix.

It’s between this and a March 1.5-15
 
#124
ChrisAU said:
Model 8782



Product Description

Product Description | Camera Land NY
cameralandny.com cameralandny.com

www.eurooptic.com

Steiner H6Xi 2-12x42mm STR-MIL FFP Riflescope 8782 For Sale | SHIPS FREE - EuroOptic

FREE SHIPPING on Steiner H6Xi 2-12x42mm STR-MIL FFP Riflescope 8782
www.eurooptic.com www.eurooptic.com
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I was going to say, “color me wrong” and place an order, but none of those a listings are actually in stock. It is encouraging that these companies have the listing, but apparently they haven’t started shipping yet.

Back in March, it was the same situation.
 
#126
kskevin said:
Has anyone done a comparison vs the ATACR 4-16x42. I’m tempted to wait on the H6 3-18x50 if the reticle is to my liking but don’t want to wait if the overall glass isn’t on par with the NF
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I actually compared my T6Xi 3-18 to my friends ATACR 4-16. They’re very comparable. Nightforce handles CA a little better. I think you’d be hard pressed to really find a difference in resolution. Turrets are better on the nightforce by considerable margin IMO. Can’t really compare eyebox cause the T6Xi wasn’t mounted. But if you can save a little money with the T6Xi or H6Xi (considering they’re the same glass) I’d go with it.
 
#128
Birddog6424 said:
I havent heard any updates on it.

I'll see what I can find out..

Edit; The mil/mil version is definitely still coming. My guy had no date yet, but he expects they'll set a date very soon. They may possibly have a release date for the NRA show next weekend in Texas, May 17th-19th
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@Birddog6424 … do you have any details on the mil reticle designs they plan to put in the 3-18x50 version?
 
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#129
Birddog6424 said:
I havent heard specifics. I doubt they'll reinvent the wheel.

Burris/Steiner has the G2B, the SCR, and SCR2, the H591, and the Horus Tremor 3 & 5 in their wheelhouse. Steiner has a couple others in addition to that, though I doubt they'll use the MSR. So there's a few good ones to choose from.
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All of those are quality reticles…no need to over invent the wheel.

I honestly wish I could get the hunter reticle, just in mils. IMO it’s a pretty good, simple utility reticle with some built in data.
 
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800mZero said:
All of those are quality reticles…no need to over invent the wheel.

I honestly wish I could get the hunter reticle, just in mils. IMO it’s a pretty good, simple utility reticle with some built in data.
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Well you may be in luck. This is what is listed as the STR-MIL reticle. If that’s correct, it’s the same reticle as the MOA hunter model, but in mils.

That totally works for me.
 
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I hope they offer a simple reticle more suited to hunting (G2B or SCR sized properly for the mag range). If the only reticle is the one below that would be a no-go for me. I thought this line is called the ‘hunter’ line so why put a tactical precision reticle in it (more suiting for the t6 line IMO) 😩

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kskevin said:
I hope they offer a simple reticle more suited to hunting (G2B or SCR sized properly for the mag range). If the only reticle is the one below that would be a no-go for me. I thought this line is called the ‘hunter’ line so why put a tactical precision reticle in it (more suiting for the t6 line IMO) 😩

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beetroot said:
I have 0% faith the reticle will be easy to see on 2x.

My guess is they plucked it out of a higher magnification scope and won't change anything.
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I agree that this is a ridiculous reticle for a 2-12x scope. The possible saving grace is that it looks like it still may retain the heavy pointed stadia that will act like a duplex at low power and light.

I guess it remains to be seen.
 
#139
lash said:
I agree that this is a ridiculous reticle for a 2-12x scope. The possible saving grace is that it looks like it still may retain the heavy pointed stadia that will act like a duplex at low power and light.

I guess it remains to be seen.
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Although I agree that this reticle is overly busy. The MoA version of the scope has a very simple reticle. I don’t know how much you dial in hunting situation, but a dope card taped to the stock would simplify the mental math.
 
#140
800mZero said:
Although I agree that this reticle is overly busy. The MoA version of the scope has a very simple reticle. I don’t know how much you dial in hunting situation, but a dope card taped to the stock would simplify the mental math.
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I think that it depends upon what terrain and game you’re hunting while using it.
 
#141
lash said:
I agree that this is a ridiculous reticle for a 2-12x scope. The possible saving grace is that it looks like it still may retain the heavy pointed stadia that will act like a duplex at low power and light.

I guess it remains to be seen.
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So, my former T6Xi 1-6 had similar tapered duplex bars (KC-1 reticle) and it did well at 1x. Granted that reticle also had a nice circle in the center for quick reference as well. I’m hoping that the stadia lines will do well here as well. I do agree that this looks like they took an excellent 3-18 class reticle and shoved it into a 2-12.

I guess in July we’ll figure it out. I’m still hopeful, for now.
 
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#142
It ain’t over till it’s over, as it goes. We shall see.
Personally I’d much prefer the same hunter reticle as the MOA version, but in mils.

And while it is much too late for this version, I’d like to see the 2.0 mil hashes to be visually more noticeable on both sides and bottom. As a low power and light focal attractor.
 
#143
Marry elements from March & Minox and it’d be ideal.

Tapered stadia (draws eye to center), only go 2-3 mil up on vertical stadia, carry thin part of stadia down 10mil on vertical and 5mil L/R, donut (but thinner and at 2mil radius), stadia thickness 1.0mil at fastest part so easy to see when zoomed out, could live with either 0.2 or 0.5mil markings.

Ahh…apologies for dreaming out loud 😝
 

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So, it appears, that the answer to the OP’s question is “Yes, maybe, but no.”

I swear; any manufacturing rep assigned to a forum must be on 24 hr suicide watch.

Forum- “This is what we want. Why can’t you build what we want?”

Manufacturer- [Builds the thing down to the last specification.]

Forum- “That’s exactly what we said we want.”

Also forum- “Ain’t buying that…”
 
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#145
kskevin said:
Marry elements from March & Minox and it’d be ideal.

Tapered stadia (draws eye to center), only go 2-3 mil up on vertical stadia, carry thin part of stadia down 10mil on vertical and 5mil L/R, donut (but thinner and at 2mil radius), stadia thickness 1.0mil at fastest part so easy to see when zoomed out, could live with either 0.2 or 0.5mil markings.

Ahh…apologies for dreaming out loud 😝
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I agree.
 
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hlee said:
So, it appears, that the answer to the OP’s question is “Yes, maybe, but no.”

I swear; any manufacturing rep assigned to a forum must be on 24 hr suicide watch.

Forum- “This is what we want. Why can’t you build what we want?”

Manufacturer- [Builds the thing down to the last specification.]

Forum- “That’s exactly what we said we want.”

Also forum- “Ain’t buying that…”
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Valid point, though humorous in a way. Welcome to the reality of a maturing market with lots of competition and choices. It’s tougher on companies to navigate the next turn, but consumers end up with excellent choices at fair prices.
 
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hlee said:
So, it appears, that the answer to the OP’s question is “Yes, maybe, but no.”

I swear; any manufacturing rep assigned to a forum must be on 24 hr suicide watch.

Forum- “This is what we want. Why can’t you build what we want?”

Manufacturer- [Builds the thing down to the last specification.]

Forum- “That’s exactly what we said we want.”

Also forum- “Ain’t buying that…”
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That's par for the course. Having seen the scope in question, I thought that the reticle, while a little thin on low power, should work fine with illumination. In terms of size, the reticle is probably a little better suited to their 3-18x50 model (and will be available in that scope as well), but I suspect it will work nicely in the 2-12x42 for my purposes.

ILya
 
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hlee said:
So, it appears, that the answer to the OP’s question is “Yes, maybe, but no.”

I swear; any manufacturing rep assigned to a forum must be on 24 hr suicide watch.

Forum- “This is what we want. Why can’t you build what we want?”

Manufacturer- [Builds the thing down to the last specification.]

Forum- “That’s exactly what we said we want.”

Also forum- “Ain’t buying that…”
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Unless you’re Tract and ask what they should have for a reticle and then produce the opposite.
 
#149
hlee said:
So, it appears, that the answer to the OP’s question is “Yes, maybe, but no.”

I swear; any manufacturing rep assigned to a forum must be on 24 hr suicide watch.

Forum- “This is what we want. Why can’t you build what we want?”

Manufacturer- [Builds the thing down to the last specification.]

Forum- “That’s exactly what we said we want.”

Also forum- “Ain’t buying that…”
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I almost agree.
Manufactures often don't produce exactly what people are asking but can be 95% of the way there, and people will not buy the scope due to that 5%, which really means they were never interested.
It's obviously too early to tell, but if the reticle is as "bad" as it looks it's not 5%, it's more like 30%.

The dream MVPO as has been discussed for a few years needs these specs:
-2-12ish mag range
-not too heavy (less than 25oz)
-a reticle that is actually usable at low magnification (FFP of course)

lesser important:
-side focus
-not made in China

The usable reticle at low magnification is a hugely important aspect to the MVPO "dream" and frustratingly Athlon with their $500 Helos has been the best example on the market. The reticle isn't perfect in that scope, but it's best we've been given outside of LVPOs.

If Leupold had a decent reticle option it there Mark 4/5hd 2/2.5-10 then that would be a serious competitor here.
But alas it seem's like intelligent reticle design is beyond these large companies.
 
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beetroot said:
The usable reticle at low magnification is a hugely important aspect to the MVPO "dream" and frustratingly Athlon with their $500 Helos has been the best example on the market. The reticle isn't perfect in that scope, but it's best we've been given outside of LVPOs.
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Agreed, I didn't realize till after I bought mine just how rare a usable reticle on the low end is in this optic category.
 
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