Elon in meltdown mode. H1B visa more important than Americans.

[Holliday]

True colors always come out, Elon is a spoiled, richest person in the world brat and does not like people having differing opinions. So much for the free speech champion. Now we get to see where Trumps loyalties lie, I hope and think he will be on the America first side, time will tell.

I never thought he was perfect given the Amber Turd debacle. That and is pushing of what I see as a scam of electric vehicles. This number he posted just recently, is so unrealistic it is not even on the map. A quantum leap in battery technology could change that but then there is the electrical grid to support it.

That said the H1B visa tantrum he has gotten into has really opened some eyes. He is demigod on a mission. America is just a means to his ends……

 

[Holliday]

You mean like them having declining enrollment cause people see it’s bs. So they are asking for and will prolly get “billions to make the universities more attractive to prospective students “. Of tax payer dollars. Again.

Guaranteed loans caused this. Same with medical billing

No, no, no Get your head out of your ass for starters. If I say fix the car, I don’t mean bring Billy Joe the drunk from down the street. You should know better.

I grew up in Maine with a “can-do, will do attitude”.

I live in Wyoming now where they have a “can’t do, why should we bother” attitude.

So I’ve seen both sides of this and believe me, the “can do, will do is better.

I outlined some ideas in another thread:
Post in thread 'Student loans'
https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/student-loans.7241464/post-11922660

 

[theLBC]

i think elon is or was unaware of the amount of h-1b fraud there is already.
he thought he was talking about a few thousand coders, and not a million store managers.

 

[Holliday]

 

[Holliday]

i think elon is or was unaware of the amount of h-1b fraud there is already.
he thought he was talking about a few thousand coders, and not a million store managers.

If he is unaware, he is doubling and tripling down continually on this. He has not budged 1 inch on this issue. To everyone it appears that he is in favor of these abuses.

His blood feud tweet was just in the last 24 hours. This has been going on for a couple days now. Maga wants to revamp the visa system, particularly the H1B visa system. They don’t want to eliminate it and they’re not talking about the higher 01 visa .Yet he is dug in like a tick.

 

[eca7891]

Or it could be he is looking at what they “are going” to make it into.

The revamped version of you will.



I’ll reserve judgement until I see how that is going to pan out.

 

[mosin46]

What is your opinion on this?
https://voxday.net/2024/12/27/an-apple-managers-experience/

consistent with what i saw 15-20 yr ago. chinese are the same way. had a friend who was a prof in a univ statistics dept. she was the only white there and was always close to going to HR with discrimination complaints. never did,just left the univ for a private practice. saw somewhat the same in medicine. in the old days all the big guns were anglo brahmins or jews. the indians came in,took undesirable inner city positions and moved up over time. brought in many more indians. same with chinese and phillipinos (in nursing). chief reasons-cheaper labor,more easily controlled,US schools graduating useless wokes,like said by several above.

 

[theLBC]

 

[Holliday]

 

[Holliday]

This guy gives me some hope….

 

[Norther]

☕️ DOGE DAYS OF THE COLOR WAR ☙ Friday, December 27, 2024 ☙ C&C NEWS 🦠

A war against MAGA is underway, and it is disguised as a Civil War against DOGE. But who's really behind it?

www.coffeeandcovid.com

 

[theLBC]

 

[Holliday]

☕️ DOGE DAYS OF THE COLOR WAR ☙ Friday, December 27, 2024 ☙ C&C NEWS 🦠

A war against MAGA is underway, and it is disguised as a Civil War against DOGE. But who's really behind it?

www.coffeeandcovid.com

Thanks for posting.

I skimmed that article but it “appears” to be continuing the myth that MAGA wants all work visas gone.

In reality MAGA is pointing out how absurdly this program is abused. They/we are pointing out that a plumber making 26kin California is not a essential “tier-1” worker.

People are pointing out that it is the 01 visa that brings in the top teir talent and to let that be or expand it. The HB1 is being used to replace mid-level American workers with indentured servants. THAT IS NOT MAGA, no matter what Elon and Vivek say.

 

[Holliday]

Speculation is that Elon has miscalculated here and is starting to read the tea leaves and that’s why he is having this massive meltdown.

It is unnerving when the richest man in the world, and in some respects, possibly one of the most powerful men in the world, has declared war on the United States on this issue. He is a foreigner, who came here on an HB1 visa.

 

[anon]

Fuck, even Ross Perot lectured us that he couldn't staff his companies with the degenerates being poured out of Texas high schools back in the '80s and he was instrumental in the creation of "No Pass, No Play".

Still, it didn't work. Our education system has been purposefully broken for quite some time.

 

[theLBC]

Speculation is that Elon has miscalculated here and is starting to read the tea leaves and that’s why he is having this massive meltdown.

It is unnerving when the richest man in the world, and in some respects, possibly one of the most powerful men in the world, has declared war on the United States on this issue. He is a foreigner, who came here on an HB1 visa.

i think he came on a student visa, but hardly matters.
perhaps from his end, he doesn't want to offend a good deal of his workforce by not defending them and their jobs.
i think he doesn't realize how many americans that don't "code" have lost regular jobs to h-1b holders.

i can attest to the fact that some jobs are hard to fill with your typical white american.
i worked for a small white owned manufacturing company years ago (decades) and even back then, it was hard to find white workers.
it wasn't that they were not qualified or able to do the work, they simply didn't apply.

 

[MO Fugga]

Not a good idea to import a stratified slavery demanding society. The whole system of importing desi is rife with corruption, nepotism, and straight up slavery. In many cases, their boss/sponsor keeps most of the meager pay, and owes the boss everything. The entire premise of Happy to Be Here is a cover for if you fuck up or get out of line, its back to scraping goat shit off of Bengali wagon wheels for you.

Fuck that shit.

 

[Holliday]

Not a good idea to import a stratified slavery demanding society. The whole system of importing desi is rife with corruption, nepotism, and straight up slavery. In many cases, their boss/sponsor keeps most of the meager pay, and owes the boss everything. The entire premise of Happy to Be Here is a cover for if you fuck up or get out of line, its back to scraping goat shit off of Bengali wagon wheels for you.

Fuck that shit.

Exactly! I have nothing against Indians (Nepalese etc) but importing their caste system is a no go for me.

I have seen these guys in action on our soil. They are adept creating indentured servants through work and landlords schemes. In fact, I’m convinced it’s so ingrained in their culture, they don’t even realize that they are doing anything wrong.

In their mind, they’re helping these “lower” people and these people should be grateful to be their indentured servants. In India, Nepal, etc. this is business as usual, but here in the United States we call it sociopathy.

 

[theLBC]

Exactly! I have nothing against Indians (Nepalese etc) but importing their caste system is a no go for me.

I have seen these guys in action on our soil. They are adept creating indentured servants through work and landlords schemes. In fact, I’m convinced it’s so ingrained in their culture, they don’t even realize that they are doing anything wrong.

In their mind, they’re helping these “lower” people and these people should be grateful to be their indentured servants. In India, Nepal, etc. this is business as usual, but here in the United States we call it sociopathy.

‘Absence of humanity’: Melbourne couple jailed for keeping Indian woman as a slave for eight years

Judge criticises immigration department for being ‘missing in action’ and not investigating the visa status of the victim

www.theguardian.com

 

[MO Fugga]

Exactly! I have nothing against Indians (Nepalese etc) but importing their caste system is a no go for me.

I have seen these guys in action on our soil. They are adept creating indentured servants through work and landlords schemes. In fact, I’m convinced it’s so ingrained in their culture, they don’t even realize that they are doing anything wrong.

In their mind, they’re helping these “lower” people and these people should be grateful to be their indentured servants. In India, Nepal, etc. this is business as usual, but here in the United States we call it sociopathy.

Take a chainsaw to the foreign remittances and watch it all evaporate. Sic those 87000 IRS agents on that. I have no fucking idea how that would go, however.

 

[theLBC]

Turns out the H-1B 'lotto system' is totally and completely rigged... - Revolver News

The H-1B “war” is shaking up MAGA, and exposing fraud and chaos.

revolver.news

 

[MO Fugga]

Turns out the H-1B 'lotto system' is totally and completely rigged... - Revolver News

The H-1B “war” is shaking up MAGA, and exposing fraud and chaos.

revolver.news

An example of the pendulum swinging too far to the right, giving us Robber Barons and the like. How they'd love to have Victorian style indentured servitude running rampant again. Slavery in disguise.

 

[theLBC]

An example of the pendulum swinging too far to the right, giving us Robber Barons and the like. How they'd love to have Victorian style indentured servitude running rampant again. Slavery in disguise.

i think a lot of people are trapped in their jobs, in debt and barely getting by.
not really much different, except they get to choose what's for dinner.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Oh Jesus christ don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining.

These H-1b s are not the best of the best of the best. The abuses being posted on these are posted all over X and in fact one of the is X’s accountant. They found a plumber in San Diego, making 26K.

These are largely underpaid indentured servants.

It is 0-1 visa is the visa for extraordinary talent.

All this is public information and the salaries that they are posting for these positions are ludicrous. If these people are really that valuable, they should be paid a minimum amount and that would keep these companies from pulling this crap.

No one’s complained more about education system here in this country than me, but farming out our work permanently to an influx of Indians is not the answer.. if Indians is so great why isn’t New Delhi the new Silicon Valley?

Your post certainly does make the case that Americans are fucking stupid, though.

Doc... read my post above... we are in agreement. The system is being totally abused. It should be a system that lets in the best of the best.

it's not. So don't eliminate it, make it (or something like iit) work.

if 90 - 99.9 percent of the H1B Visa folks need to be put on a boat back to shit-hole-land... so be it.

Don't let it stop us from bringing in the worlds best and brightest and loot the fucking world of them. If they aren't with us, they are competing with us. So fucking steal them from every country in the world and put them to work for OUR GNP.

Cheers,

Sirhr

PS. I'm not even against seasonal visas for fruit pickers or roofers or drywallers if we can't fill those jobs. Make them short. Make them require return to home country at the end (for at least a few months). Make them pay taxes. If we can't fill the fields with fruit pickers who have fucking Art History Degrees from Harvard... ok, I'll accept a temporary, legal, papered-up tax-paying Mexican who plays by the rules and goes home at the end of picking season. Immigration is good. IIllegal immigration and economic permanent migrants are poison!

 

[sirhrmechanic]

No, no, no Get your head out of your ass for starters. If I say fix the car, I don’t mean bring Billy Joe the drunk from down the street. You should know better.

I grew up in Maine with a “can-do, will do attitude”.

I live in Wyoming now where they have a “can’t do, why should we bother” attitude.

So I’ve seen both sides of this and believe me, the “can do, will do is better.

I outlined some ideas in another thread:
Post in thread 'Student loans'
https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/student-loans.7241464/post-11922660

Right? Our New England attitude growing up of Do it Yourself has been replaced with "Do it For Me."

Local teacher at the high school I graduated from literally told the 9th graders who had to decide on college track or the "Trade" track told the whole class in front of her that "Only stupid kids go to Tech." A fucking quote. From a worthless POS socialist social studies teacher with a Prius. Who could not change a tire at gunpoint.

She was the stupid one. Because she was too stupid to know that the person who fixes her plumbing and car and changes her lightbulbs makes 5x what she will ever make and is not a brainwashed twat.

I tried to get her fired... raised a huge stink with the school board and the principle and the state board that included the folks who run the tech/trade programs... other parents and was pretty much told I was wasting my time. She has a fucking union and 'tenure.' (Since when do high-school teachers get fucking tenure?)

Anyway...

These over-educated eco-fruits have infested everything and confuse degrees with wisdom and sklls! Vermont is full of these abominations and I hope they get their funding cut off next 4 years and fucking starve. I'll put them to work in my fields in exchange for gruel and the occasional potato.

Sirhr

 

[Holliday]

Doc... read my post above... we are in agreement. The system is being totally abused. It should be a system that lets in the best of the best.

it's not. So don't eliminate it, make it (or something like iit) work.

if 90 - 99.9 percent of the H1B Visa folks need to be put on a boat back to shit-hole-land... so be it.

Don't let it stop us from bringing in the worlds best and brightest and loot the fucking world of them. If they aren't with us, they are competing with us. So fucking steal them from every country in the world and put them to work for OUR GNP.

Cheers,

Sirhr

PS. I'm not even against seasonal visas for fruit pickers or roofers or drywallers if we can't fill those jobs. Make them short. Make them require return to home country at the end (for at least a few months). Make them pay taxes. If we can't fill the fields with fruit pickers who have fucking Art History Degrees from Harvard... ok, I'll accept a temporary, legal, papered-up tax-paying Mexican who plays by the rules and goes home at the end of picking season. Immigration is good. IIllegal immigration and economic permanent migrants are poison!

Exactly! Sorry if that was a bit harsh. This imigration issue really has me pissed.

This is what are Colleges are currently producing:



Correct me, but isn’t roofer, fruit pickers etc under a lower grade visa?

Where this whole mess went off the rails is where Elon & Vivek (no surprise with Vivek I’ve been warning people about him from the get-go) is when people tried to point out the HB1 visa scams and that the 01 visa is what he should be talking about. Then they just double and tripled down and started slamming Americans and calling us racists.

Elon even has posts agreeing with that dipshit Scott Adams calling us racists. The same Scott Adams who did the racist video rant about black people being a hate group and that white people need to get away from black people.

The only reason Adam’s is calling people racist is to shed some of the stink he wears from that video. Virtue Single 101.


Vivek’s rant about America (below) was him tipping his hand and lit the firestorm. It wasn’t the rest of the world who went to the moon invented the Internet invented the GPS system. I could go on and on.

What his rant should’ve said was how we could rebuild America and our education system while revamping our visa system to take advantage of help as we need to but also to limit it’s abuse. He should also have differentiated between HB1 visas and 01 visas.This is not fucking brain surgery. These tech Bros are in it for themselves and they’ve tipped their proverbial hand big time. They are not MAGA.

 

[pmclaine]

Let’s fix American education so it once again trains the engineers that created “Hi Tech”

If India were such a great place for hi tech talent why isn’t it dominating with the latest and greatest?

 

[Holliday]

Right? Our New England attitude growing up of Do it Yourself has been replaced with "Do it For Me."

Local teacher at the high school I graduated from literally told the 9th graders who had to decide on college track or the "Trade" track told the whole class in front of her that "Only stupid kids go to Tech." A fucking quote. From a worthless POS socialist social studies teacher with a Prius. Who could not change a tire at gunpoint.

She was the stupid one. Because she was too stupid to know that the person who fixes her plumbing and car and changes her lightbulbs makes 5x what she will ever make and is not a brainwashed twat.

I tried to get her fired... raised a huge stink with the school board and the principle and the state board that included the folks who run the tech/trade programs... other parents and was pretty much told I was wasting my time. She has a fucking union and 'tenure.' (Since when do high-school teachers get fucking tenure?)

Anyway...

These over-educated eco-fruits have infested everything and confuse degrees with wisdom and sklls! Vermont is full of these abominations and I hope they get their funding cut off next 4 years and fucking starve. I'll put them to work in my fields in exchange for gruel and the occasional potato.

Sirhr

You’re in Vermont? Beautiful state!

A big part of me would love to move back to Maine as I have family there. The whole “blue” of this last election up there really scares me though. I just don’t know if I could enjoy living in such a restrictive environment.

I heard it said recently and this has been my experience to the letter:

“Easterners are kind but not nice. Westerners are nice but not kind”

The analogy given was that if you have a flat, the westerner with say “ Oh wow that is sad, I hope things will get better for you”.

The easterner will gladly change your tire while giving you a bunch of banter about the condition of your tires or the fact you never learned to change one. We don’t leave people on the side of the road.

One thing I have had to realize here is that westerners don’t really understand that “banter” for easterners this how we say we like you. If we don’t banter with you, you can take that as an insult….

Sorry I digress….

 

[pmclaine]

Right? Our New England attitude growing up of Do it Yourself has been replaced with "Do it For Me."

Local teacher at the high school I graduated from literally told the 9th graders who had to decide on college track or the "Trade" track told the whole class in front of her that "Only stupid kids go to Tech." A fucking quote. From a worthless POS socialist social studies teacher with a Prius. Who could not change a tire at gunpoint.

She was the stupid one. Because she was too stupid to know that the person who fixes her plumbing and car and changes her lightbulbs makes 5x what she will ever make and is not a brainwashed twat.

I tried to get her fired... raised a huge stink with the school board and the principle and the state board that included the folks who run the tech/trade programs... other parents and was pretty much told I was wasting my time. She has a fucking union and 'tenure.' (Since when do high-school teachers get fucking tenure?)

Anyway...

These over-educated eco-fruits have infested everything and confuse degrees with wisdom and sklls! Vermont is full of these abominations and I hope they get their funding cut off next 4 years and fucking starve. I'll put them to work in my fields in exchange for gruel and the occasional potato.

Sirhr

Go to Lake Winnepsaukee on any given weekend and you will see work vans with boat trailers parked in the driveways of second homes.

These are not performing service calls they are enjoying their vacation homes.

I went trade school and got my electricians certificate.

I decided military and police was for me.

I chose wrong. My high school teachers were right. I was dumb.

 

[Holliday]

Fuck, even Ross Perot lectured us that he couldn't staff his companies with the degenerates being poured out of Texas high schools back in the '80s and he was instrumental in the creation of "No Pass, No Play".

Still, it didn't work. Our education system has been purposefully broken for quite some time.

Damn Ross was a piece of work. I remember his infomercials with his graphs and such.

 

[918v]

Let’s fix American education so it once again trains the engineers that created “Hi Tech”

If India were such a great place for hi tech talent why isn’t it dominating with the latest and greatest?

culture

 

[roostercogburn98]

except they get to choose what's for dinner.

The price of groceries is slowly taking that option away for many

 

[Holliday]

Do not get me started on that GRIFTER, Sex Laptop aka Ashley StClair. I have her blocked on X.

Our house is too damn full of these political grifters…..

Start at the 8:00 mark for her immigration rant.

 

[Mr.BR]

Well it is all starting to become clear now.

Elon feels he handed MAGA the election and he wants to show us who he thinks is boss now………

Well to be fair all uniparty mega donors think so and are getting their money's worth one way or another they are just not squawking on twatter for all to read. Nothing new , pay to play has been staple since ever

 

[Redlion]

Trump Expresses Support for H-1B Visa Worker Program​

“I’ve always liked the visas, I have always been in favor of the visas. That’s why we have them,” Trump said by phone, referring to the H-1B program, which permits companies to hire foreign workers in specialty occupations.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/trump-expresses-support-h-1b-visa-worker-program/

 

[918v]

The operative term he used was skilled workers not the bs that’s going on currently.

 

[BurtG]

wasn't that they were not qualified or able to do the work, they simply didn't apply.

Axe welfare disability , NGOs , and .gov “workers”

There’s plenty of us citizens able to do productive work.


Not when you do things like give a cop 100% disability for hearing a (non fatal) officer shot over the radio. Then they go work full time in florida

 

[Edgecrusher]

If these Indians are so crucial to the success of a first world country, then why is India a disease ridden shithole from Hell? Shouldn't India be Utopia by now?

Of course this is rhetorical. The U.S. never needed street shitters to reach the top and that still hasn't changed, but the brainwashing has become more effective.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Damn Ross was a piece of work. I remember his infomercials with his graphs and such.

He was a good listener... some would say "All Ears!"

He hired the right guys to get his folks out of Iran, though! Hell of an op!

Sirhr

 

[BurtG]

culture

Nah

Iq

Something something iq correlates skin pigment

 

[BurtG]

 

[TACC]

I am naive here, if we get rid of birthright citizenship, what do we use as a determination fir citizenship gor red blooded Americans?

 

[BurtG]

I am naive here, if we get rid of birthright citizenship, what do we use as a determination fir citizenship gor red blooded Americans?

Uh. One of the parents has to be a actual citizen.

No more anchor babies.

 

[Holliday]

Uh. One of the parents has to be a actual citizen.

No more anchor babies.

Yep pretty basic stuff.

 

[Maser]

And to think so many folks thought Elon was gonna be the paragon of free speech. Can't make fun of Jews and now can't make fun of immigration. Any guesses what's next on the chopping block?

 

[Holliday]

Guess they have a bunch of tier-1 workers at Trump’s place…..

 

[kenny1773]

You do not have to look and further than Di$ney to see a picture perfect version of american citizen replacement for lower cost non-citizen worker (search yourself find your own source, been proven over and over this is what they did, replace american workers with cheaper non american ones)

Questions Surround Disney’s Use of H-1B Visas in Replacing Domestic Workforce

Disney has a controversial history of using the H-1B visa to replace qualified American workers with cheap foreign labor.

thatparkplace.com

Edison Electric was another

A loophole in immigration law is costing thousands of American jobs

Imagine getting a layoff notice, then being ordered to train your replacement.

www.latimes.com

The cases are literally endless, these were two that my failing memory could remember quickly.

Anyone that says H1Bs do not replace American workers for lower cost has lost touch with reality, the stories have been there for decades.

 

[tightInThePants]

And to think so many folks thought Elon was gonna be the paragon of free speech. Can't make fun of Jews and now can't make fun of immigration. Any guesses what's next on the chopping block?

Only rubes believe that really. Remember when he'd lock people out of their Teslas because they'd criticize the brand? He's really never actually been in favor of free speech.

Remember how he scammed shareholders buying out Solar City for well over what it was worth?

Remember when he shot the roadster that was meant for one of the Tesla founders into space because he is a thin-skinned cunt?

What an incredible guy! A real life capeshit character even!!!!!

Hey, lets tell people to not go to college and then complain that there aren't enough CS grads LMAO LOL

 

[308pirate]

Exactly! Sorry if that was a bit harsh. This imigration issue really has me pissed.

This is what are Colleges are currently producing:



Correct me, but isn’t roofer, fruit pickers etc under a lower grade visa?

Where this whole mess went off the rails is where Elon & Vivek (no surprise with Vivek I’ve been warning people about him from the get-go) is when people tried to point out the HB1 visa scams and that the 01 visa is what he should be talking about. Then they just double and tripled down and started slamming Americans and calling us racists.

Elon even has posts agreeing with that dipshit Scott Adams calling us racists. The same Scott Adams who did the racist video rant about black people being a hate group and that white people need to get away from black people.

The only reason Adam’s is calling people racist is to shed some of the stink he wears from that video. Virtue Single 101.


Vivek’s rant about America (below) was him tipping his hand and lit the firestorm. It wasn’t the rest of the world who went to the moon invented the Internet invented the GPS system. I could go on and on.

What his rant should’ve said was how we could rebuild America and our education system while revamping our visa system to take advantage of help as we need to but also to limit it’s abuse. He should also have differentiated between HB1 visas and 01 visas.This is not fucking brain surgery. These tech Bros are in it for themselves and they’ve tipped their proverbial hand big time. They are not MAGA.



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Vivek is 1000% right about our culture in general

 

[lariat]

If these Indians are so crucial to the success of a first world country, then why is India a disease ridden shithole from Hell? Shouldn't India be Utopia by now?

Having spent enough time in India to loose 10% of my body weight on several occasions in both rural and urban environments, there is an answer: corruption, the caste system and an absolute lack of care for others. It’s not the education system, it’s the other factors that have caused the situation they live in today. I have seen in only a few other places the absolute lack of caring that I have seen there. It’s shocking what they think and do to each other. They view being in positions of power as success and it doesn’t matter the route to get there. This is a major contributor to their issues.