Elon in meltdown mode. H1B visa more important than Americans.

[theLBC]

 

[918v]

I will agree many of them work "harder", especially in a gamified environment or a wage/contract environment.

The place I work at now has "performance metrics" based on closing issues and process automation. The "issues" can be virtually anything like a zoom call or a server health check ... create a ticket for it, close it and *boom* "performance".

The "process automation" mostly consists of shitty scripts that do one thing and only succeed if all the dominoes are perfectly aligned. There are literally thousands of these scripts but only maybe hundreds of unique scripts. It doesn't matter if anybody uses or even knows about the scripts all someone has to do is write a script, run it maybe once and *boom* "process automated". No QA, no design review, no release procedure, nada, zilch.

They are definitely working "harder" but the quality of work is lacking.

I realize this is not the case for 100% of them or all environments but in the places where they take over operations this seems to be the norm.

You bring up a good point. Quality of work. More importantly quality of outcome. Which kinda validates the IQ theory.

 

[Bigfatcock]

Can I import whores on H-1B visas?

 

[Redlion]

Can I import whores on H-1B visas?

Only if they are "highly skilled." No low skilled 304's allowed.

 

[mosin46]

We have the technology to put into place temp LEGAL visa's for jobs that Americans are too fucking lazy or self-important to do. Said it for years. Show up at border. Fill out paperwork. Get a 6 month or 11 month visa. Tax ID. RFID bracelet/card that you better not ever be without. And at the end of the 'season' or your visa, go home for a few weeks or months. Then come back and do it again. No fucking drivers license. No voter ID. No path to citizenship or residence. Employer pays taxes. Worker pays taxes. Worker sends money home to family. Done. We can do it. But noone wants to do it, because they want an issue for people to fight about... not a solution.

And while everyone is fighting about it, tens of millions of people are being brought in with the knowledge that they will vote Socialist as soon as they get here. Whether it's illegally or after they get their fucking amnesty.

As to the other part of your question... yes, I am ready to let both industries collapse. Because they are built on a foundation of ILLEGAL labor that is both designed to undercut wages and fill the country with future (and present) voters illegally.

I'll go one further. Which is that if you are employing illegals, you are also breaking the law at a felony level. So guess what... Stop the demand by prosecuting the unethical business owners who are hiring and employing and exploiting illegals. It won't take many and they'll stop doing that fast. The people (and companies are made up of people) who are putting their profits, bonuses and bottom lines ahead of America are part of the problem, not some poor victim. Make them follow the law as well.

Sirhr

yse,ALL immigration should be stopped for at least 2 years. then reevaluate immigration issue then. all illegal and many/most legals need to be sent back. the "sanctuary" issue needs to be ended. it is nothing more than another federal welfare program. tech and construction crash? tough shit. as said the tech industry has raped america for years. their indian call centers being just the most obvious example. americans can answer the phone. big corps being forced out of need to hire and pay americans a decent competitive wage would be a must. additionally,any corp that off shores anything should have their corp taxes tripled at least. the useless products of our "education" system would have to step up esp if no welfare freebies were available. the challenge would have painful results but many younger people would step up and become productive out of necessity. that being the mother of invention and accomplishment.
this isn't the 19th or early 20th cent where we had a huge empty map and a rapidly expanding industry and not enough population to get those things going. those immigrants were desperate and taking advantage of them was prob not ethical but it was what it was.
what does it say about a society that can't fulfill it's own needs without importing street shitters,tech workers,carpenters,fruit pickers? not to mention the murders,rapists brought in to make the elite's plan work.

 

[babyguppy]

Hard to get top quality recruits, when colleges are accepting people based on race and gender; not academics.
When C's with degrees get promoted and accepted to jobs based on Race/gender and the highly qualified get kicked to the end of the line for being while/male and straight; well, it's not hard to figure out which direction the Quality needle will move.
When the color of your skin gets you free college, signing bonus, and scholarships, and lack of it means you have to pay your own way.
Doesn't matter how well you do, when the corporate and Government Quota Goal is POC only. They aren't quotas, that's illegal, they are 'Goals'.
As Thomas Sowell said, If you want to eliminate Racism, quit making it about race.
I'm all for bringing in the best and the brightest, IF that's what they truly are. We don't need any more wage suppression.

 

[tna9001]

We have the technology to put into place temp LEGAL visa's for jobs that Americans are too fucking lazy or self-important to do. Said it for years. Show up at border. Fill out paperwork. Get a 6 month or 11 month visa. Tax ID. RFID bracelet/card that you better not ever be without. And at the end of the 'season' or your visa, go home for a few weeks or months. Then come back and do it again. No fucking drivers license. No voter ID. No path to citizenship or residence. Employer pays taxes. Worker pays taxes. Worker sends money home to family. Done. We can do it. But noone wants to do it, because they want an issue for people to fight about... not a solution.

And while everyone is fighting about it, tens of millions of people are being brought in with the knowledge that they will vote Socialist as soon as they get here. Whether it's illegally or after they get their fucking amnesty.

As to the other part of your question... yes, I am ready to let both industries collapse. Because they are built on a foundation of ILLEGAL labor that is both designed to undercut wages and fill the country with future (and present) voters illegally.

I'll go one further. Which is that if you are employing illegals, you are also breaking the law at a felony level. So guess what... Stop the demand by prosecuting the unethical business owners who are hiring and employing and exploiting illegals. It won't take many and they'll stop doing that fast. The people (and companies are made up of people) who are putting their profits, bonuses and bottom lines ahead of America are part of the problem, not some poor victim. Make them follow the law as well.

Sirhr

I agree with most of what you've said. The reason we don't have a working immigration policy is because the powers that be don't want one. The Democrats and the Republicans have had all three seats of power in recent history, and either party could have fixed immigration. I'm sure you are familiar with Milton Friedman; he was Regan's brain on economics. Here, he is talking about how illegal immigration benefits the economy.

Have you looked at the Latino vote for 2024? The majority still was with Harris, but Trump made significant gains, picking up 42% of the Latino vote compared to 28% in 2016. Things are changing, or perhaps that was an effect of the Democrat's disastrous campaign and weak candidate. The only way forward is for the voters to stop responding to the populous bullshit and start holding the politicians responsible.

Unfortunately, Americans are falling behind, and it's not the fault of some external factor but the exploitation of the economy by the ruling elite. Our country needs to get back to the basics, We the People kinda stuff; as much as I despise Trump, the human, I think he's our best shot of making that happen.

If the construction industry tanks, so will the broader economy, and more important than a bad ression that would cause would be the continued slide of the housing supply, which is causing the housing prices to skyrocket. You don't want that to happen.

The solutions are out there, but the politicians aren't ready to fix it; perhaps Trump will.

 

[Kamerad]

 

[tna9001]

Only if they are "highly skilled." No low skilled 304's allowed.

If you are going with "low skilled," then the wife will do; save your money.

 

[gigamortis]

I agree with most of what you've said. The reason we don't have a working immigration policy is because the powers that be don't want one. The Democrats and the Republicans have had all three seats of power in recent history, and either party could have fixed immigration. I'm sure you are familiar with Milton Friedman; he was Regan's brain on economics. Here, he is talking about how illegal immigration benefits the economy.

Have you looked at the Latino vote for 2024? The majority still was with Harris, but Trump made significant gains, picking up 42% of the Latino vote compared to 28% in 2016. Things are changing, or perhaps that was an effect of the Democrat's disastrous campaign and weak candidate. The only way forward is for the voters to stop responding to the populous bullshit and start holding the politicians responsible.

Unfortunately, Americans are falling behind, and it's not the fault of some external factor but the exploitation of the economy by the ruling elite. Our country needs to get back to the basics, We the People kinda stuff; as much as I despise Trump, the human, I think he's our best shot of making that happen.

If the construction industry tanks, so will the broader economy, and more important than a bad ression that would cause would be the continued slide of the housing supply, which is causing the housing prices to skyrocket. You don't want that to happen.

The solutions are out there, but the politicians aren't ready to fix it; perhaps Trump will.

Housing costs here will likely go down with 20+ million illegals shipped back to their home countries. The government paying rent to house the illegals here is just propping up higher rent prices.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Elon not wrong
ok with price corrections
more ok with less gov't and less gov't expenditures

Americans need more tutoring and less travel ball

 

[tna9001]

Two things. There is no way they are going to deport 20 million people; if you think that's possible, please describe how that would work. Secondly, the Fed's aren't paying rent for illegals. You've been fed a bunch of lies. Housing and rent prices are where they are because of one thing: supply.

Housing costs here will likely go down with 20+ million illegals shipped back to their home countries. The government paying rent to house the illegals here is just propping up higher rent prices.

 

[918v]

Two things. There is no way they are going to deport 20 million people; if you think that's possible, please describe how that would work. Secondly, the Fed's aren't paying rent for illegals. You've been fed a bunch of lies. Housing and rent prices are where they are because of one thing: supply.

Who’s paying the rent?

 

[theLBC]

 

[tna9001]

Who’s paying the rent?

The immigrants are, with the money they get from working. Immigrants aren't the problem; the system built to produce cheap labor, exploit immigrants, and outsource labor is. I can tell you from first-hand experience that the Hispanic crews that I work with get to the job site early, often waiting for the sun to come up to start, bust ass all day, and do a great job. If you've ever watched a framing crew stick build roof trusses for complex roof design, then you realize how badly we need these guys; just the math required for that sort of thing is well beyond most people's ability. There aren't enough Americans who can/will do this work.

 

[doubloon]

You bring up a good point. Quality of work. More importantly quality of outcome. Which kinda validates the IQ theory.

Yeah, for the price of a good engineer to get it done right and once they can hire four bodies to get it done a dozen times and "good enough" once in a similar time frame.

 

[doubloon]

Can I import whores on H-1B visas?

Yes.

 

[918v]

The immigrants are, with the money they get from working. Immigrants aren't the problem; the system built to produce cheap labor, exploit immigrants, and outsource labor is. I can tell you from first-hand experience that the Hispanic crews that I work with get to the job site early, often waiting for the sun to come up to start, bust ass all day, and do a great job. If you've ever watched a framing crew stick build roof trusses for complex roof design, then you realize how badly we need these guys; just the math required for that sort of thing is well beyond most people's ability. There aren't enough Americans who can/will do this work.

All those millions of llegals are paying rent? You sure about that? They cross the border, get a job, and pay rent?

 

[918v]

Mapping $27 Billion In Federal Funding Of America's Sanctuary Cities

In the President Donald Trump-era, there could be a high-cost to running a sanctuary city...

www.forbes.com

It’s probably 5x higher now.

 

[918v]

India should take action

 

[theLBC]

 

[gigamortis]

Two things. There is no way they are going to deport 20 million people; if you think that's possible, please describe how that would work. Secondly, the Fed's aren't paying rent for illegals. You've been fed a bunch of lies. Housing and rent prices are where they are because of one thing: supply.

Take the freebie incentives to stay here away and most will deport themselves. Just like when work dried up right after the 2008/2009 market crash, a lot went back to their home countries on their own.

Supply is tight because too many people are competing for too few houses. Remove the excess people from the equation and the laws of supply and demand will play out.

In addition to stopping the government freebies that keep illegals here, I am 100% for a long overdue market correction/crash. Once work dries up from lack of demand, a lot more will self-deport just like in 2008-2009. A lot of consumer prices should reset back down to realistic levels as well.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Two things. There is no way they are going to deport 20 million people; if you think that's possible, please describe how that would work. Secondly, the Fed's aren't paying rent for illegals. You've been fed a bunch of lies. Housing and rent prices are where they are because of one thing: supply.

well I said shoot them as criminals but some have an issue with that

 

[Redlion]

Musk must have gotten enough of an ass reaming to change his mind, somewhat.

Elon Musk Calls for Major Reform of Broken H-1B Visa Program — Proposes to Make it More Expensive to Hire Overseas Than Domestically​

After facing backlash for his comment, Musk offered clarification in another post.

“Maybe this is a helpful clarification: I am referring to bringing in via legal immigration the top ~0.1% of engineering talent as being essential for America to keep winning,” Musk wrote.

However, Musk emphasizes the necessity for reforms to prevent potential abuses and to ensure that American workers are not disadvantaged.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/elon-musk-calls-major-reform-broken-h-1b/

 

[lariat]

Take the freebie incentives to stay here away and most will deport themselves. Just like when work dried up right after the 2008/2009 market crash, a lot went back to their home countries on their own.

Supply is tight because too many people are competing for too few houses. Remove the excess people from the equation and the laws of supply and demand will play out.

In addition to stopping the government freebies that keep illegals here, I am 100% for a long overdue market correction/crash. Once work dries up from lack of demand, a lot more will self-deport just like in 2008-2009. A lot of consumer prices should reset back down to realistic levels as well.

You are arguing with someone whose income relies upon construction. He isn’t going to argue against his paycheck. Fewer immigrants, less demand for structures, regardless of who pays for it. Less income for him. It’s a “me” transaction, not a US- centric thought process.

 

[mosin46]

i really don't know any real #s but here in FL supposedly 1K people coming here a day. in spite of that,where i have been lately: tampa,st pete,gainesville,ocala,bradenton,naples; the amount of construction is mid boggling. many 1000s of apts/homes under construction. rent and home price $ also insane. there is a disconnect somewhere. const costs,wages,interest,gov driven inflation, lack of workers,materials cost/availability,big investors buying to get big $ renting houses out? something not very simple to see is amiss.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

India should take action

So if India invades Canada... do we care?

It could be their Liveity Bibbity-sraum!

And it's not like most of the urban areas could get to be any 'more' of a shithole!

Sirhr

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Two things. There is no way they are going to deport 20 million people; if you think that's possible, please describe how that would work. Secondly, the Fed's aren't paying rent for illegals. You've been fed a bunch of lies. Housing and rent prices are where they are because of one thing: supply.

The man who runs the trains may disagree...

And he didn't even have any computers.... and had to deal with disposal issues.

All we have to do is drop them off at a fence and make sure they walk through the gate.

As for the ones that want to hide in the floors like rats?

In all seriousness....

Once their jobs dry up... and their employers find themselves prosecuted and losing their financial and property gains made through illegal means... and their Obama phones get turned off... and every traffic stop may be handcuffs and a ride back to the border to get tossed into Mexico... and the schools lose their funding if they take in illegal kids... And the folks in sanctuary cities who are obstructing are... prosecuted for obstructing. And the free medical care drys up.

Lots of ways that a mere 20 million can be removed. Humanely, even. The main way to 'remove' them is to create an environment where they remove themselves.

I need a fucking drivers license and ID just to rent a motel room for a night. I don't think that a country that wants to remove 20 million undesireable illegal criminal aliens from our territory would be really challenged. We just have to ignore the whiners and the bleeding hearts and the communists who will tell us all the reasons it can't happen.

Immigraton and border security are also executive functions. Meaning that they are not reliant on a pathetic, vacillating corrupt Congress. And the lawyers can sue all they want. But the last 4 years and Mr. "I have a phone" who has been running things for 16 have proved that you can tell them to pound sand at this point.

We are in the fight for our survival as a Constitutional Republic. It is war. It's been war since these hippie commie freaks started to take over in the 1960's. And it's time to win it. And become a nation of laws where our legitimate minorites (of all kinds, especially opinion) are protected by the rule of law.

Yeah... I'm probably just dreaming.

Sirhr

 

[mosin46]

yes you are. not politically correct but think about "ordinary men" and their response to what was really a hoax and a potential response to an actual existential threat to our civilization and real threats to the life and safety of many of it's members.

 

[al22300]

The immigrants are, with the money they get from working. Immigrants aren't the problem; the system built to produce cheap labor, exploit immigrants, and outsource labor is. I can tell you from first-hand experience that the Hispanic crews that I work with get to the job site early, often waiting for the sun to come up to start, bust ass all day, and do a great job. If you've ever watched a framing crew stick build roof trusses for complex roof design, then you realize how badly we need these guys; just the math required for that sort of thing is well beyond most people's ability. There aren't enough Americans who can/will do this work.

From my experience, the majority of the illegal laborers are hard working but I highly disagree with them doing a great job. With some exceptions of course, the quality of work being done on construction sites is absolutely horrendous. The craftsmanship just isn’t there.

 

[pmclaine]

Can I import whores on H-1B visas?

Man you are cheap.

Man wants to be nuttin for nothin….

 

[gigamortis]

Man you are cheap.

Man wants to be nuttin for nothin….

That's pretty close to a Dire Straits song we all know!

 

[steve123]

Most of the illegals I've been around were, liars, cheats, and thieves. They might act GTG for a few weeks then the deception starts. Turn your head for a minute and they'd get away with as much as they can. Ironically the worst one was my DIL's step dad. The contractor I worked for told me he didn't want the guy on the job anymore. Then all of a sudden my Swaro LRF went missing.

I could go on and on.

 

[theLBC]

 

[232593]

The man who runs the trains may disagree...

View attachment 8578663

And he didn't even have any computers.... and had to deal with disposal issues.

All we have to do is drop them off at a fence and make sure they walk through the gate.

As for the ones that want to hide in the floors like rats?

View attachment 8578671

In all seriousness....

Once their jobs dry up... and their employers find themselves prosecuted and losing their financial and property gains made through illegal means... and their Obama phones get turned off... and every traffic stop may be handcuffs and a ride back to the border to get tossed into Mexico... and the schools lose their funding if they take in illegal kids... And the folks in sanctuary cities who are obstructing are... prosecuted for obstructing. And the free medical care drys up.

Lots of ways that a mere 20 million can be removed. Humanely, even. The main way to 'remove' them is to create an environment where they remove themselves.

I need a fucking drivers license and ID just to rent a motel room for a night. I don't think that a country that wants to remove 20 million undesireable illegal criminal aliens from our territory would be really challenged. We just have to ignore the whiners and the bleeding hearts and the communists who will tell us all the reasons it can't happen.

Immigraton and border security are also executive functions. Meaning that they are not reliant on a pathetic, vacillating corrupt Congress. And the lawyers can sue all they want. But the last 4 years and Mr. "I have a phone" who has been running things for 16 have proved that you can tell them to pound sand at this point.

We are in the fight for our survival as a Constitutional Republic. It is war. It's been war since these hippie commie freaks started to take over in the 1960's. And it's time to win it. And become a nation of laws where our legitimate minorites (of all kinds, especially opinion) are protected by the rule of law.

Yeah... I'm probably just dreaming.

Sirhr

Have ICE patrol at Hospitals, grocery stores, & schools etc to maintain constant pressure on illegals & deny them any type of logistical support.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Have ICE patrol at Hospitals, grocery stores, & schools etc to maintain constant pressure on illegals & deny them any type of logistical support.

Arrest and prosecute employers with the same level of zeal and coverage that they used when picking up folks after January 6th. The difference is that one group of folks was there protesting peacefully... and the other is committing felonies and undermining our entire national existance.

A few dozen prosecutions and forfeiture of assets accumulated during the commission of a felony (it's not just for drug trafficking) and people will start hiring Americans and legal candidates tout-suite!

Sirhr

 

[232593]

Arrest and prosecute employers with the same level of zeal and coverage that they used when picking up folks after January 6th. The difference is that one group of folks was there protesting peacefully... and the other is committing felonies and undermining our entire national existance.

A few dozen prosecutions and forfeiture of assets accumulated during the commission of a felony (it's not just for drug trafficking) and people will start hiring Americans and legal candidates tout-suite!

Sirhr

And eliminate ALL leftists.

 

[XikoPlavi]

I wouldn’t doubt it.

 

[918v]

The most fertile fields in the world

 

[theLBC]

 

[tightInThePants]

Still perturbed a bit and just listening to something going over the Vivek tweet again.

>better have an extraordinarily structured childhood so you can learn fucking java or some horseshit scripting language when you're older
imagine actually fucking believing that lol

 

[Edgecrusher]

 

[merica]

Been in the Tech field for over 30 years. I have worked extensively with H1B recipients. 95% of them SUCK and still hold high titles. Companies are NOT getting better people for cheap. I would rather have a mediocre person that I pay a little more that I can understand. The most difficult thing is the language barrier and lack of understanding. And STOP telling me to Do the Needful!

Elon and Vivek and I guess now Trump need to get their heads out of their asses.

 

[tna9001]

All those millions of llegals are paying rent? You sure about that? They cross the border, get a job, and pay rent?

Illegal immigration is a net positive for the economy. I'm not a fan of illegal immigration, and I believe we need to secure our borders. It's essential to look at any issue through the lens of what is true, not political dogma.

The underlying issue here is the lack of middle-class, blue-collar jobs, which are the foundation of our economy. And education, which is an entirely new rabbit hole.

Populism is a method to distract the voter from the job that the politician is doing; don't fall for it.

 

[lariat]

Illegal immigration is a net positive for the economy. I'm not a fan of illegal immigration, and I believe we need to secure our borders. It's essential to look at any issue through the lens of what is true, not political dogma.

The underlying issue here is the lack of middle-class, blue-collar jobs, which are the foundation of our economy. And education, which is an entirely new rabbit hole.

Populism is a method to distract the voter from the job that the politician is doing; don't fall for it.

Nope. But please, provide the hard data showing that illegal immigration is a net positive for the country economically and socially. Be sure to include social program costs (including ER visits) as well as the cost to public schools and the resulting taxation surrounding those issues.

Best bet is to talk to the mayor of New York. I'm sure he has the data at the ready since he is shutting down migrant housing becuase NY is going broke over it.

But in the meantime, I have a question: how many TDA gang members are you hiring for the crews you work on? Any Chinese? Sudanese?

 

[Tokay444]

 

[Kamerad]

Illegal immigration is a net positive for the economy. I'm not a fan of illegal immigration, and I believe we need to secure our borders. It's essential to look at any issue through the lens of what is true, not political dogma.

The underlying issue here is the lack of middle-class, blue-collar jobs, which are the foundation of our economy. And education, which is an entirely new rabbit hole.

Populism is a method to distract the voter from the job that the politician is doing; don't fall for it.

Marxist nonsense.

 

[theLBC]

 

[sirhrmechanic]

View attachment 8579479

If they drop him in a volcano, the population will be saved!

Sirhr

 

[theLBC]