Elon in meltdown mode. H1B visa more important than Americans.
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I’ll take equality of opportunity over caste any second if the minute.
But they have reincarnation tho
Our culture of freedom leads to creativity.
It may favor the frivolous but it leads to people thinking outside the box.
The reason other countries may be good at being chained to the yoke is because they have to be.
Our peeps and their weirdness create the shit other countries really can’t dream of.
Part of that comes from immigration, accepting free thinkers that want what America has and will assimilate.
That is not what is being proposed though. Seems like Vivek and Elon forget why they came to America.
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Dude no hamburger or steak.
They had to invent reincarnation to give hope during their time on earth
Excellence in rigorous subjects, particularly the hard sciences, is shunned for popularity contests in American society in general and schools in particular. Has been so for decades.
That's the crux of Ramaswamy's argument. I don't know how anyone can say that isn't so unless they're part of that status quo.
To your point, thinking outside the box is useless when you don't even understand the box.
- F1 visas should have technical interviews. They should ask students to write a fundamental program and that will eliminate 80% of the scrap that comes here.
- OPT should be reduced to only a year and the real talent gets opportunities while the others need to be sent back.
- H1b should be merit based and not lottery. Consultancies should be banned. Fake resumes should be filtered out and they should be blacklisted. This doesn’t get them any jobs and their visa period will run out.
There’s an Indian lady on H4-ead (spouse of a H1b visa holder with i-140 approved) at my work and she has no skill or knowledge. Makes $10,600 a month to send a bunch of emails and thinks that she should get paid more. There’s six more women like her in our agency and at least thirty in the state board of education. I’m counting on Steven Miller to go after this bullshit. These are American jobs.
- OPT should be reduced to only a year and the real talent gets opportunities while the others need to be sent back.
- H1b should be merit based and not lottery. Consultancies should be banned. Fake resumes should be filtered out and they should be blacklisted. This doesn’t get them any jobs and their visa period will run out.
There’s an Indian lady on H4-ead (spouse of a H1b visa holder with i-140 approved) at my work and she has no skill or knowledge. Makes $10,600 a month to send a bunch of emails and thinks that she should get paid more. There’s six more women like her in our agency and at least thirty in the state board of education. I’m counting on Steven Miller to go after this bullshit. These are American jobs.
See this is the red herring that keeps bring thrown out.
Maga is not say our schools don’t suck
Maga is not saying no visas
Maga is saying that bringing in a plumber to work in California for 26k is none of what he is talking about. It is abuse and indentured servitude.
The crux of the Maga argument is the abuse and indentured servitude of HB1 visas not getting rid of visas. Everything else is just blowing smoke to create a smoke screen to cover what’s really going on.
Vivek’s little mental diarrhea manifesto addresses none of the real issues that we need to solve in the next 10 to 20 years.
Had he written about revamping the Visa process to cut abuse and then talked about revamping our own education system so that his treatise includes a 5 year plan, a 10 year plan and a 20 year plan, people would have received it better.
H1B visas are not a discussion about excellence. They are discussion about abuse and indentured servitude.
This guy has compiled some data on HB1 visas. It is a thread worth reading.
We lost accountability in everything.
Kids can get through school with failing grades. No one “stays back” and I don’t think there would be shame if they did.
We need to keep our absolute freedom and equality of opportunity while requiring performance standards.
Where TF do YOU live in Wyoming? It must be Jackson Hole or Laramie. That is not a resident attitude in a true citizen here.
Yeah thats what I do. Broadcom — VMware VCF hybrid cloud infra design. Multiple DCs. VCF 5.2. vSAN. HPE Synergy. All the Vulnerability mgmt for the virtual infra. Extreme networks.
Fortune 50. Whatever. I got out of those kinds of COs on purpose.
You’re not gonna beat this beast. It’s only gonna get bigger.
However, infrastructure is still infrastructure.
I have been in the West various areas and undisclosed locations for 27 years. We’ll have to agree to disagree.
Honkies!And to think so many folks thought Elon was gonna be the paragon of free speech.Can't make fun of Jews and now can't make fun of immigration. Any guesses what's next on the chopping block?
You’re going to cast disparagement, get called out, and then declare a truce? LOL
This, as well as China. Huge cultural canyons that do not ever integrate into societies. China values trickery and deception as a moral standard.
Where did I declare a truce? I could give fuck all what you think of my experience with Wyoming people and their can’t do attitude. I still love Wyoming and it’s people but cultures are different place to place. It’s just reality. And it is MY opinion. You don’t have to like it. The big issue isn’t that you have it, it’s that you won’t own it. If you spent half your time getting shit done that you do bitching about somebody saying that you have a can’t do attitude, you’d get stuff done!
Go learn how to plow a fucking road. Jesus fucking christ. You guys close roads at the drop of a fucking hat because you are too fucking lazy to invest in your infrastructure. Then you cry and complaining because businesses look to come here and then decide to go elsewhere. Why? Businesses don’t want to live somewhere where the roads are closed every time it sprinkles.
At our local range for years, the whole membership wanted an electric key card gate. The president and his buddies, a very conservative bunch had 1 million freaking excuses why we could not have that gate. We got a new president a young guy. In fact he’s a member here and every time I go through that fucking gate and put my key card up there and it beeps and that thing opens, I put him and his board in for Sainthood.
Now get out your prearranged excuse card about why you can’t keep the fucking roads, plowed, the wind, the wind, the wind. Like Wyoming is the only place in the world that has wind. Go up to the Coquihalla highway in BC. They deal with a lot more than fucking wind up there. That highway department can tell you to the dollar what it costs their economy for every minute that road is closed. Their attitude is that road will not be closed. One of the innovations that they use is beet juice on the roadway to keep it from icing.
You know it’s one thing that in the 10 years that I’ve lived here these things haven’t improved one bit. But when you bring these things up you get this avalanche of righteous indignation and excuses. At least in the islands they look you and say “ yeah man, but we be on island time” they freaking own it.
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Sounds like a smug and smarmy outsider to me
just giving you shit but I’m pretty sure I nailed it. Born and raised here, but you take a meaningless jab at my culture and I’m gunna respond to the low hanging fruit. Lmao! Carry on.
He just knows I called him out lmao. There are definitely mouth breathers here. And we close the highways because of the flat landers who don’t know how to drive. It has nothing to do with local population. Thus proving he is a know-it-all flat lander because he did the “how we use to do it over here” shit. Instant flag of you are not from here. Lmao. We close roads for the safety of the lowest common denominator. If he REALLY was from here he would know the alternative back routes like a local.
This. Did you guys really think you’d agree with Elon on every issue???
Good to keep people honest and consistent to practice what they preach (in Elon’s case, make America great so he can get to Mars), but also remember that one point of disagreement doesn’t mean they are all of a sudden the devil
In all seriousness, Musk stepped on his dick bigly. Clearly his autism for business allowed the fact Trump won based on "America/Americans first" to completely glide right over his head. America is fed up with ALL immigration, illegal and legal, for a while.
Deport about 10,000,000 to 20,000,000 back to their countries then MAYBE we can talk about importing people who's culture and values actually matches ours (Christian, preferably with several generations of proper European lineage).
We need a hard reset back to the values and people our country was founded upon.
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Deport about 10,000,000 to 20,000,000 back to their countries then MAYBE we can talk about importing people who's culture and values actually matches ours (Christian, preferably with several generations of proper European lineage).
We need a hard reset back to the values and people our country was founded upon.
American man reveals Indian CEO took over a firm, booted out founders, hired Indians. Post goes viral amid H1B visa debate
Debates about Indian immigrants in the U.S. tech sector surged after a viral post by a U.S. attorney. The post accused an Indian CEO of mismanagement, ousting founders, and replacing top executives with Indians, sparking heated social media discussions about workplace practices, equity, and...
Do, by happenstance, know anything about concrete work?
America benefits when we can bring in the best and brightest from other countries but we don't need to be importing middle skilled indentured servants to drive down wages for the rest of us. The H1B shitshow needs a full revamp but I don't see Big Business allowing that anytime soon.
‘One point of disagreement’.
Oy vey, that’s a disingenuous way to reduce a real problem to a bullet point.
I don’t care who ya are… this is funny!!
Are you ready for the construction and agricultural industries to collapse? If we deport all illegals, that's what will happen. We certainly need a rational immigration policy, we need to protect our borders, and we also need labor that isn't available in the US. Nationwide, 30-50% of construction workers are immigrants. It's not that Americans don't want to do these jobs—they can't. I'm in the construction business, and almost every crew member is an immigrant.
Sure, when I got fired from a software development job a couple years ago for not taking the vaccine I helped a friend of mine who runs a small contractor company for a bit. We mixed some concrete occasionally.
Sunlight can work as well as dirt too
But that can be said of any new hire. Once they get Americanized their productivity falls. So then do you send them back and get some Mongolians?
In our case the environmental workers were Mexican so we transitioned to Guatemala. I understand what you are saying. Why don't "we" just teach our own to be responsible, productive Americans instead of training them that the world owes them a living.
They are both rich beyond the wildest dreams of any middle class westerner. Their lives are fundamentally different that anything we can conceive. In reality, they both function as human versions of old Greek deities, presented as human like us, but actually closer to beings from another dimension. Same physiology though…
The funny thing is that this is all part of leftist efforts to drive a wedge into MAGA and Trump support...
And judging by pages of comments above, it's working like a charm...
Just let those commies find a little wedge (which they are trial-ballooning every minute through the media and social media and their political talking heads...) and Americans turn on each other instead of looking at the big picture.
It's part of the problem of being independent thinkers and having independent viewpoints.
The left does what they are told in lock step.
We look for ways to tear each other apart instead of focusing on the real enemy... the American Left. H1 Visa's are not the problem.
20 million illegal economic POS socialist migrants AND the people who put them here are the problem.
And the left is laughing their asses off at discussions like this... while tossing gas on the fire and looking for the next wedge that their minions can drive into us.
Cheers... I'm going down to the shop... No Messicans there.
Sirhr
And judging by pages of comments above, it's working like a charm...
Just let those commies find a little wedge (which they are trial-ballooning every minute through the media and social media and their political talking heads...) and Americans turn on each other instead of looking at the big picture.
It's part of the problem of being independent thinkers and having independent viewpoints.
The left does what they are told in lock step.
We look for ways to tear each other apart instead of focusing on the real enemy... the American Left. H1 Visa's are not the problem.
20 million illegal economic POS socialist migrants AND the people who put them here are the problem.
And the left is laughing their asses off at discussions like this... while tossing gas on the fire and looking for the next wedge that their minions can drive into us.
Cheers... I'm going down to the shop... No Messicans there.
Sirhr
People who think Elon is a good guy....really ought to research the full ownership of X, those people and their motivations. If you're still a believer - then quite literally you personally, need to step back and fuck your face. He's a bad man who solely exists in the business world b/c of taxpayer money. He, like Bezos (my gran-daddy was a plank holder for DARPA) are mere figureheads. While you're pulling your head from your ass, make sure to look into the surveillance state being set up by JD Vance's sugar daddy - Peter Theil / Planitar.
We have the technology to put into place temp LEGAL visa's for jobs that Americans are too fucking lazy or self-important to do. Said it for years. Show up at border. Fill out paperwork. Get a 6 month or 11 month visa. Tax ID. RFID bracelet/card that you better not ever be without. And at the end of the 'season' or your visa, go home for a few weeks or months. Then come back and do it again. No fucking drivers license. No voter ID. No path to citizenship or residence. Employer pays taxes. Worker pays taxes. Worker sends money home to family. Done. We can do it. But noone wants to do it, because they want an issue for people to fight about... not a solution.
And while everyone is fighting about it, tens of millions of people are being brought in with the knowledge that they will vote Socialist as soon as they get here. Whether it's illegally or after they get their fucking amnesty.
As to the other part of your question... yes, I am ready to let both industries collapse. Because they are built on a foundation of ILLEGAL labor that is both designed to undercut wages and fill the country with future (and present) voters illegally.
I'll go one further. Which is that if you are employing illegals, you are also breaking the law at a felony level. So guess what... Stop the demand by prosecuting the unethical business owners who are hiring and employing and exploiting illegals. It won't take many and they'll stop doing that fast. The people (and companies are made up of people) who are putting their profits, bonuses and bottom lines ahead of America are part of the problem, not some poor victim. Make them follow the law as well.
Sirhr
I will agree many of them work "harder", especially in a gamified environment or a wage/contract environment.
The place I work at now has "performance metrics" based on closing issues and process automation. The "issues" can be virtually anything like a zoom call or a server health check ... create a ticket for it, close it and *boom* "performance".
The "process automation" mostly consists of shitty scripts that do one thing and only succeed if all the dominoes are perfectly aligned. There are literally thousands of these scripts but only maybe hundreds of unique scripts. It doesn't matter if anybody uses or even knows about the scripts all someone has to do is write a script, run it maybe once and *boom* "process automated". No QA, no design review, no release procedure, nada, zilch.
They are definitely working "harder" but the quality of work is lacking.
I realize this is not the case for 100% of them or all environments but in the places where they take over operations this seems to be the norm.
I think one thing we can all agree is the mainstream media are a bunch of divisive frauds, harlequins, liars, trollops and subversives. They’ve once again seized on this debate to try and divide the country and destroy the coalition that is bringing Trump into office. To them I say, go f your mother in the ass.
That said, it’s a debate worth having. This is after all a meritocracy argument, but it’s also one about fairness and the law. The H1b visa program has been abused, especially by the tech industry. The same industry, btw who has been replacing American workers with cheap labor in places like Hyderabad, Chennai and a bunch of other places in India. Go take a look at the list of companies who have done that and used the guise of “diversity” to offshore American jobs. It easily includes the Fortune 100 and just about every tech name on the index.
It’s one thing if you find someone who is the best in their field irrespective of country and bring them in on an H1b. But if you look at the visas granted that’s not what is happening. I know a couple of very good tech engineers who are out of work. Anyone want to guess- why?
These tech companies have rode roughshod over the American worker and more importantly our basic civil rights for too long. That’s a target rich environment and we need to keep sending it until they raise the white flag.
That said, it’s a debate worth having. This is after all a meritocracy argument, but it’s also one about fairness and the law. The H1b visa program has been abused, especially by the tech industry. The same industry, btw who has been replacing American workers with cheap labor in places like Hyderabad, Chennai and a bunch of other places in India. Go take a look at the list of companies who have done that and used the guise of “diversity” to offshore American jobs. It easily includes the Fortune 100 and just about every tech name on the index.
It’s one thing if you find someone who is the best in their field irrespective of country and bring them in on an H1b. But if you look at the visas granted that’s not what is happening. I know a couple of very good tech engineers who are out of work. Anyone want to guess- why?
These tech companies have rode roughshod over the American worker and more importantly our basic civil rights for too long. That’s a target rich environment and we need to keep sending it until they raise the white flag.
