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Et tu, Brute?
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Here's her side of the story.
They locked her in the lunchroom and put the rest of the school on a 1.5 hour lock down as if it were an active shooter scenario.
Was the Trespassing arrest warranted? most likely.
Was locking her in the lunch room against her will warranted? I'm not to sure on that one.
All that aside, has osha ever used a federal mandate to enforce any other occupational safety standards in the past? I've been in the steel industry for 20+ years and I've never heard of the boogie man coming for you because you aren't wearing steel toe boots, or safety glasses, or ear plugs, or for breaking any other "rules" the do nothings in our society deem necessary. No body wants to see anyone get hurt in the work place, but most times an injury is a lesson learned for being a dumb ass. Sometimes its your ego, some times its flesh and blood. Either way taking risks is a part of all our lives and how you mitigate those risks usually falls squarely upon the end user.
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I think there is a middle eastern county n recent history you can reference.
Btw. You make the story fit the evidence.
ie. go to the bank when a third d party break the door. Plenty of ways.
if you are not willing to match the other sides commitment then you lose.
I think there is a middle eastern county n recent history you can reference.
Btw. You make the story fit the evidence.
ie. go to the bank when a third d party break the door. Plenty of ways.
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You and several others, for some reason, are focusing on the actions of the officers.
What you should be focusing on is the actions of the school and the school board.
If you don't like the way your school is being run, then replace the fucking school board. They are elected officials.
It is about the trespassing you fucking moron..
You and several others, for some reason, are focusing on the actions of the officers.
What you should be focusing on is the actions of the school and the school board.
If you don't like the way your school is being run, then replace the fucking school board. They are elected officials.
This is not a fuck the police thread. Thats not how it started anyhow and I can’t really see many if anyone on here arguing against the merits of that arrest. I agree that superfunding departments is good. Great! THAT’S where I want my tax dollars to go. Being mad about an arrest does not equal not recognizing it as a lawful arrest. I am critical of the circumstances that led to her arrest, not of the agent or his agency.
one gets a lot of attention and support, and the other gets no attention and thus, no opportunity for support.
Perhaps you should go back and review.
I said pursue a lawsuit (civil) against the school admin, district and board members.
One gets you thrown in jail, fined, court fees, community service or prison time...
One makes you work harder to get the attention you seek by making you convince people of it's relevance / importance.
Call the media, call the newspaper, local business owners, community organizations (MADD for example) be creative.
Nobody wants to put forth the effort, it's easier to kick and scream like a petulant child and force a cop to arrest you then blame them for not allowing you to disrupt the school for the afternoon for everyone else when you get arrested.
The right way is rarely the easy way.
sometimes you have to throw some tea into the bay.
One gets you thrown in jail, fined, court fees, community service or prison time...
One makes you work harder to get the attention you seek by making you convince people of it's relevance / importance.
Call the media, call the newspaper, local business owners, community organizations (MADD for example) be creative.
Nobody wants to put forth the effort, it's easier to kick and scream like a petulant child and force a cop to arrest you then blame them for not allowing you to disrupt the school for the afternoon for everyone else when you get arrested.
The right way is rarely the easy way.
Dead serious. Though I admit, a lot was lost during all the shit slinging. That’s what happens in the pit I supposed. I can state as a fact I haven’t argued the merits/legality of the arrest. And I stand by saying “many if not any” as it relates to the rest of the contributors. Emphasis on many. Hey I agree 100% with your assessment that the change needs to happen at the school board level. And we need to fund the police 10000% more than they’re funded now. It’s ok if I’m critical of how this situation went down. As it were, LE was involved. And it’s also ok if you disagree with me.
No, I've been consistent that it is part of the system. The officers are part of the system. But your defense of the officers that they are somehow immune to any criticism is lazy.
I have a brain
You have a brain
They have a brain
This mandate is corrupt and unjust. "Following orders" is for those who don't use their brain.
The point of getting arrested for trespassing is to show you chowderheads where this is going and that the system is corrupt.
Police acted professionally. They were still enforcing an illegal mandate. Kinda like sniffer in chief: Hey he's really nice and doesn't mean tweet. Corrupt as fuck, but nice. So he's got that going for him.
I left for awhile and ya'll still at it. It never fails....if you can't win an argument resort to calling people morons. This guy disagrees with you so somehow he must cognitively slow?? Makes total sense. What you can't seem to wrap your narrow little mind around is it's not just the cops. It's the entire system. From the executive branch.....all the way to the school board. There is this growing push for one group of people to try and control another. It's been happening since the beginning of time.
People like you are always willing to A) be controlled or B) weasel yourself into positions of control.
Look back at the year leading up to the revolution. By all accounts our boys were traitors of the highest order....says guys like you. I say they changed the world and founded the greatest country in history. Is this girl Ben or George or Sam.....of course not. But it has to start somewhere.
Think beyond this girl's scenario. This country is dying....death by a thousand cuts. Just keep knit picking procedures and arbitrary rules and the big picture will be along shortly to kick you in the dick.......or in your case reward your servitude with an extra loaf of moldy bread..
Really, like comparing this girl to the Dallas school shooter mentioned above.
Do you really think tea in the bay was the first act? How many willingly defied the crown over petty rules?? Alot!! It has to start somewhere.....for some of us. You may return to dinning on that lovely black size nine duty boot. Maybe your master will be along with that bread soon.
I guess she should have burned an A merican flag so the SCOTUS would have recognized her right to protest and exercise her first amendment rights upon public property..........
........oh wait
...I guess only communists have free speech rights in AmeriKa?
eh, comrade?
The Supreme Court agreed to hear his case. ISSUE Whether flag burning constitutes "symbolic speech" protected by the First Amendment. RULING Yes. REASONING (5-4) The majority of the Court, according to Justice William Brennan, agreed with Johnson and held that flag burning constitutes a form of "symbolic speech" that is protected by the First ...
you'd have to be a retard NOT to find obeying the SCOTUS as a "creative way not to arrest a 16yr old"........
.......oh wait,
https://abcnews.go.com › US › court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops › story?id=95836
Court OKs Barring High IQs for Cops. N E W L O N D O N, Conn., Sept. 8, 2000 -- A man whose bid to become a police officer was rejected after he scored too high on an intelligence test has lost an ...
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Thank you so much for posting her side of the story.
Like her father, I am proud of this young lady.
Best of all was her closing with Benjamin Franklin:
I see. He calls me stupid, you're OK with that. But I call him a moron because he is still glomming onto the arrest, claiming the arrest was for not wearing a mask.
The arrest and mask mandate are two separate issues.
Trespass is a criminal act, the mandate to wear a mask is an unconstitutional overreach. It doesn't matter WHY they told her to leave, they told her to leave. She refused, that is trespassing.
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Nothing. Except the principal used it and the officer as a tool.
Neither of the supposed "adults" used their brains. Neither tried to de-escalate the situation. Which is normal for authority types.
He manufactured the situation into the trespass.
Neither of the supposed "adults" used their brains. Neither tried to de-escalate the situation. Which is normal for authority types.
Both sides right/left converge on authoritarian rule. How else do you enforce your idealism on others unwilling to comply?
There are differences of course. The left actively takes the fight to the streets and is supported by "the machine".
Now you are just being an fool on purpose. Lets go slow for you
(1) She didn't wear a mask
(2) She got served notice for not wearing a mask
(3) She was arrested for trespassing because she refused to wear a mask and continued to go to school
The mask mandate is illegal.
Arresting for trespassing is because she broke the mask mandate. Trespassing is being used to force compliance.
By your logic, any arbitrary rule could be enforced and we should just comply because trespassing is a crime.
So if you shoot someone who iattacking you --you should be charged with murder. That's your logic.
You killed someone. Killing is illegal. If we don't have a statute against killing, we'll just all shoot each other and it will be anarchy....
Exactly!! If we only focus on the act of trespassing sure....she's in the wrong. (Technically)
What these worshippers of the law aren't getting is the context of the situation. Why wouldn't she leave?? Because she wants her education without the face diaper.
And to the eloquent gentleman that told me to go fuck myself, thanks for reinforcing my point above about resorting to name calling when you can't debate your position any other way.
Sooooo....I'll try it your way. Eat a bag of dicks you order following boot licking cunt.
Look, you are the one being a fool,let me explain it to you.
1) NO ONE here has supported a mask mandate.
2) She was told to leave because she wasn't wearing a mask.
3) She was the opportunity to leave, and she refused.
4) After she refused to leave, it was NO LONGER about the mask, it was about the trespass
5) She was arrested for trespass
6) if she had left when told to do , she would not have been arrested
I have bolded the portion you are unwilling to accept.
Why do you insist on conflating the mask mandate with the criminal act of trespass?
They are NOT the same.
Not only that, the window lickers here are proclaiming the police are nazi's/racists/socialist/communist when the real villain is the school admin, the school board and likely the Governor.
Our Governor came out a year ago and flatly stated that Texas law enforcement are not mask cops and wouldn't be enforcing any such order, however, the criminal trespass would still be enforced.
Look, good things are likely to come of this. Hopefully, the parents will sack up like she did and fuck the school board.
By the way, if you shoot someone is self-defense, you may very well be charged with murder or aggravated assault.
Once again. The mask is not why she was arrested. She was arrested for not leaving when given the chance.
Circumstances leading up to being told to leave do not matter. Now it will be up to the courts or juvenile probation to decide what happens next.
But this thread is certainly showing who to add to my ignore list.
Circumstances leading up to being told to leave do not matter. Now it will be up to the courts or juvenile probation to decide what happens next.
But this thread is certainly showing who to add to my ignore list.
Do what you are told citizen.
Do not think for yourself.
You must obey your masters.
What part of the word "Disobedience" escapes your feeble neurons.
Hi,
So do you have a State Issued Driver's License?
So do you have a passport?
So do you stop at traffic lights?
So do you pay property taxes on real estate/home that you own?
So do you have the State mandated minimum insurance coverage on your automobile?
IF you answered yes to any of those; by your logic you are just obeying your masters too right?
So do you have fully automatic firearms without NFA Stamps?
So do you carry your firearms into Federal buildings?
So is the registration expired on your automobile?
If you answered no to any of those; by your logic you are just obeying your masters too right?
Where and what are YOU doing to show your "Disobedience" other than typing on a forum about it?
When is the last time you met with your local school district, mayor, city council, sheriff, economic development board, zoning and inspections, etc etc to voice your opinions in a form that actually matters?
ETA:
Why does the student arrested for wearing a bandanna not get the same public outcry?
Why does the student arrested and not allowed to walk with her graduating class that she was Valedictorian of not get the same public outcry because of a shirt showing her shoulders?
List goes on and on......
Sincerely,
Theis
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Used to be, laws like that were made to keep the Klansmen from being able to go around in public being jackasses. So they just took the hoods off and went into politics.
"A King may move a man, a father may claim a son, but remember that even when those who move you be Kings, or men of power, your soul is in your keeping alone. When you stand before God, you cannot say, "But I was told by others to do thus." Or that, "Virtue was not convenient at the time." This will not suffice."
Straw man arguments and you know better. The point is laws which we think are illegal.
Also answering #2 is an invite for fun...nice try though.
Every week. In fact I had a serious impact on my communities policing activities about 10 years ago and continue to be active to this day. Last year I had an import role in the school board for my daughter. I've held elected office on numerous occassions
I have worked phone banks for local and national candidates since I was able to vote.
The world is an imperfect place. I can't save everyone. Especially with you hiding in your sewing circle.
But I will speak up for things that matter to me and covid related mandates are very very serious infringement on liberty.
You should know better.
I'm not sure any opinion will help this thread, but...I don't see much disagreement that law, and the rule of law is necessary for a civil society. I think my argument would be in the application (fairness) of those laws. I would propose we have voted a two tier justice system. A system where the gov., selective groups and classes have a different application of the law. The examples are numerous. Should the young lady have been arrested? No...unequivocally not. Especially not today, given the current social/political climate. After they asked her to leave, and if/when she refused, Is she guilty of trespass...yes? Should the adults have found another solution...yes. Our problems are well beyond mandates and compromise(if that is even possible). Our problems are rooted in a deteriorating value system and people wishing to control/dominate others. Live and let live is gone. Civil debate, courteousy is not common. Should hard working individuals be forced to choose between a job and a vaccine...NO. it should NEVER have come to this, but here we are. Do masks work? They don't seem to, the debate continues as Covid has spread regardless. The reaction to Covid from the scientific and medical communities has been horrific. Governments...worse. It's time for people to stand up and take back control of their local, state and national governments. Make decisions NOT based on fear, and in the best, just interest of their citizenry. It's time we lived our values and spent our money and goods so they were a benefit to our communities. I'm not optimistic...but I resolve to fight for this end no matter the cost so that my children will know the freedoms that I have known.
Hi,
Isn't that what every single one of your replies has been with the "But this, but that, this is next, etc etc"
Let's face reality!!!
RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN A SUCCESSFUL REVOLT/REVOLUTION AGAINST A GOVERNMENT...
I will await the hands but will start..
Sincerely,
Theis
Just because we aren't shooting doesn't mean a revolution isn't happening.Hi,
Isn't that what every single one of your replies has been with the "But this, but that, this is next, etc etc"
Let's face reality!!!
RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN A SUCCESSFUL REVOLT/REVOLUTION AGAINST A GOVERNMENT...
I will await the hands but will start..
Sincerely,
Theis
In fact the goal is usually to reform before it comes to that.
A lesson in fact, I think you would be well cognizant of, having to have shed blood.
OF all the men who raised me, all of them were of a single voice: Stop the madness before it comes to shooting.
But if you have to, fight like a sonofabitch and don't miss.
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