Suppressors Form 4 wait time

[Bluedog82]

Ok, excuse my ignorance here..first can and went through SilencerShop.

Bought it/filled out all of the paperwork 3/29/2023.
Certified Form 4 online with Dealer on 11/9/2023.

Email came back from SilencerShop on 11/9 that Trust was completed
Email from ATF on 11/9 that Form 4 was submitted

~7 months (231 days) from purchase and forms until Form 4 certified/submitted. Do I have to wait another 5-8 months for the Form 4 to be approved and actually get the can?

Yes. The actual wait everyone is discussing here is from the day your can is submitted.

 

[Jnull]

Ok, excuse my ignorance here..first can and went through SilencerShop.

Bought it/filled out all of the paperwork 3/29/2023.
Certified Form 4 online with Dealer on 11/9/2023.

Email came back from SilencerShop on 11/9 that Trust was completed
Email from ATF on 11/9 that Form 4 was submitted

~7 months (231 days) from purchase and forms until Form 4 certified/submitted. Do I have to wait another 5-8 months for the Form 4 to be approved and actually get the can?

Why did it take 7 months just to certify? The atf clock doesn’t start until things are certified so yes your wait has just started.

 

[southernpew]

Ok, excuse my ignorance here..first can and went through SilencerShop.

Bought it/filled out all of the paperwork 3/29/2023.
Certified Form 4 online with Dealer on 11/9/2023.

Email came back from SilencerShop on 11/9 that Trust was completed
Email from ATF on 11/9 that Form 4 was submitted

~7 months (231 days) from purchase and forms until Form 4 certified/submitted. Do I have to wait another 5-8 months for the Form 4 to be approved and actually get the can?

Why did it take 7 months to get your can submitted?

 

[Dimefox]

Why did it take 7 months to get your can submitted?

Beats the fuck out of me. Just got the email last week that it was ready. I had everything completed on my end.

Based on what I understood about this process I thought my wait had just started, but was hoping I was wrong since I already fuckin waited 7 months.

Did Silencershop or my dealer drop the ball on this?

 

[FuhQ]

Beats the fuck out of me. Just got the email last week that it was ready. I had everything completed on my end.

Based on what I understood about this process I thought my wait had just started, but was hoping I was wrong since I already fuckin waited 7 months.

Did Silencershop or my dealer drop the ball on this?

You got yourself a shitty lazy dealer… Certification is on the dealer’s end, not SS. Use a new dealer for your next can.

 

[southernpew]

Beats the fuck out of me. Just got the email last week that it was ready. I had everything completed on my end.

Based on what I understood about this process I thought my wait had just started, but was hoping I was wrong since I already fuckin waited 7 months.

Did Silencershop or my dealer drop the ball on this?

I would call SS or visit your dealer and ask WTF the hold up was.

 

[Threadcutter308]

Ok, excuse my ignorance here..first can and went through SilencerShop.

Bought it/filled out all of the paperwork 3/29/2023.
Certified Form 4 online with Dealer on 11/9/2023.

Email came back from SilencerShop on 11/9 that Trust was completed
Email from ATF on 11/9 that Form 4 was submitted

~7 months (231 days) from purchase and forms until Form 4 certified/submitted. Do I have to wait another 5-8 months for the Form 4 to be approved and actually get the can?

It's been 5 or 6 years since I did my Trust, so things may have changed. When I did my Trust, I did it through a local FFL that was also a lawyer. Took maybe a week. Then I filed the Form 4 on the can that I purchased. Approval was 8 or 9 months.

So, call it 9 months plus one week for me to have the approved form 4/Stamp and can in hand.

I don't go through the Trust since ATF got rid of the local LEO signoff requirement. Unless you're doing things for Estate planning reasons, there's no need to go through the Trust for new purchases. Just go Form 4.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

Beats the fuck out of me. Just got the email last week that it was ready. I had everything completed on my end.

Based on what I understood about this process I thought my wait had just started, but was hoping I was wrong since I already fuckin waited 7 months.

Did Silencershop or my dealer drop the ball on this?

Dealer. They should have done their part to trigger the "ready to certify " email and if something went wrong, corrected it in a reasonable amount of time and told you that you need to call and do the certification online with them. That's absolutely pathetic . Of course, I wouldn't push too hard until you get the can at this point, but I damn sure would not use them again and I'd let SS know about it too!

 

[southernpew]

It's been 5 or 6 years since I did my Trust, so things may have changed. When I did my Trust, I did it through a local FFL that was also a lawyer. Took maybe a week. Then I filed the Form 4 on the can that I purchased. Approval was 8 or 9 months.

So, call it 9 months plus one week for me to have the approved form 4/Stamp and can in hand.

I don't go through the Trust since ATF got rid of the local LEO signoff requirement. Unless you're doing things for Estate planning reasons, there's no need to go through the Trust for new purchases. Just go Form 4.

Huh? Whether you file as a Trust or Individual, its all a form 4...

 

[Baron23]

Did Silencershop or my dealer drop the ball on this?

Yes, one or the other (and I’m betting dealer) screwed you.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

It's been 5 or 6 years since I did my Trust, so things may have changed. When I did my Trust, I did it through a local FFL that was also a lawyer. Took maybe a week. Then I filed the Form 4 on the can that I purchased. Approval was 8 or 9 months.

So, call it 9 months plus one week for me to have the approved form 4/Stamp and can in hand.

I don't go through the Trust since ATF got rid of the local LEO signoff requirement. Unless you're doing things for Estate planning reasons, there's no need to go through the Trust for new purchases. Just go Form 4.

Thats true but surely everyone will want their cans to be able to go to someone else they care about when they die though right ? I've always done a trust from day one but I'm pretty sure they can also be moved into a trust but that may require another stamp, though you'd at least have the can already so it's just an additional cost issue. My understanding is that if they aren't in a trust, they can't go anywhere when you die accept the atf

 

[Threadcutter308]

Huh? Whether you file as a Trust or Individual, its all a form 4...

I think you understand the gist though, right ?

Either go through the Trust (yes, with it's associated Form 4) or go with a straight Form 4/no LEO signoff.

 

[southernpew]

I think you understand the gist though, right ?

Either go through the Trust (yes, with it's associated Form 4) or go with a straight Form 4/no LEO signoff.

I do, but your last part said just go Form 4. I file as a trust and I think they only send a notice to your local LEO, no signoff needed today.

 

[LeftyJason]

I think you understand the gist though, right ?

Either go through the Trust (yes, with it's associated Form 4) or go with a straight Form 4/no LEO signoff.

Cleo notification. Not sign off.

 

[AZLong]

Thats true but surely everyone will want their cans to be able to go to someone else they care about when they die though right ? I've always done a trust from day one but I'm pretty sure they can also be moved into a trust but that may require another stamp, though you'd at least have the can already so it's just an additional cost issue. My understanding is that if they aren't in a trust, they can't go anywhere when you die accept the atf

And in my case, my son, wife, brother, etc can all use the NFA items if they are added in. Makes them more useful

 

[Dimefox]

You got yourself a shitty lazy dealer… Certification is on the dealer’s end, not SS. Use a new dealer for your next can.

Well fuck them. They just lost any future business from me. No point in going in and rocking the boat and getting all wound up about it. Whats done is done and they can't make the ATF go any faster.

 

[Dimefox]

Dealer. They should have done their part to trigger the "ready to certify " email and if something went wrong, corrected it in a reasonable amount of time and told you that you need to call and do the certification online with them. That's absolutely pathetic . Of course, I wouldn't push too hard until you get the can at this point, but I damn sure would not use them again and I'd let SS know about it too!

If I wasn't totally ignorant to the process I would have bounced them in April. Had no idea what was going on apparently.

I thought the whole process was "easy". Just wait for SS or the dealer to tell you when you have to do something!

 

[Threadcutter308]

I do, but your last part said just go Form 4. I file as a trust and I think they only send a notice to your local LEO, no signoff needed today.

Right. I only did my Trust back then to dodge the LEO signoff. They were becoming very hard to get here in the state of warshington. Once the LEO signoff went away, I quit using my Trust.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

If I wasn't totally ignorant to the process I would have bounced them in April. Had no idea what was going on apparently.

I thought the whole process was "easy". Just wait for SS or the dealer to tell you when you have to do something!

Well that is the process, but it's your dealer, not SS. The dealer should have told you the process #1, so that you'd know to call them and check in if you didn't get that email for it being ready to certify. Then you'd have known to call them.

If you knew the process, the dealer wouldn't have to keep up with it because you would, which is how most do it because it's pretty hard to keep up with all the different steps for every person and every can. Of course, THIS IS WHY LEGIT DEALERS ALWAYS SAY "give us a few weeks, if you don't see an email that says "ready to certify" then call us and ask about it. This is the key and where the ball got dropped.

 

[Lazyfaire]

Ok, excuse my ignorance here..first can and went through SilencerShop.

Bought it/filled out all of the paperwork 3/29/2023.
Certified Form 4 online with Dealer on 11/9/2023.

Email came back from SilencerShop on 11/9 that Trust was completed
Email from ATF on 11/9 that Form 4 was submitted

~7 months (231 days) from purchase and forms until Form 4 certified/submitted. Do I have to wait another 5-8 months for the Form 4 to be approved and actually get the can?

Date of certification is considered Day 1.

 

[Lazyfaire]

You got yourself a shitty lazy dealer… Certification is on the dealer’s end, not SS. Use a new dealer for your next can.

If you are going to use a trust, certification can't happen until the trust is done as the trust will be the owner of said item. You must have an ATF account set up also. I would think that you should contact the dealer (SS) for an explanation of why it took 7 months to set up the trust. I am not a fan of SS, but this lag time is highly unusual.

 

[Dimefox]

If you are going to use a trust, certification can't happen until the trust is done as the trust will be the owner of said item. You must have an ATF account set up also. I would think that you should contact the dealer (SS) for an explanation of why it took 7 months to set up the trust. I am not a fan of SS, but this lag time is highly unusual.

I clearly don't know jack shit about this, but the email saying the trust (single shot) was complete didn't come through until after form 4 was certified. Like almost immediately after, like they were waiting on certification to complete it.

ATF account was set up back in March.

 

[Lazyfaire]

I clearly don't know jack shit about this, but the email saying the trust (single shot) was complete didn't come through until after form 4 was certified. Like almost immediately after, like they were waiting on certification to complete it.

ATF account was set up back in March.

Well the whole is just odd. Hope it goes through fast for you

 

[Ape_Factory]

Huxwrx Flow 762
Trust with just me in it
Certified on 5/29
Approved on 11/14
169 days which is a new record.

Each successive suppressor has been approved more quickly than the last. Spotting a trend and an impetus to buy more suppressors. Might as well order up a new 5.56 can since it'll get approved long before Dead Air fixes my Sierra 5! I'm taking bets.

 

[FuhQ]

If you are going to use a trust, certification can't happen until the trust is done as the trust will be the owner of said item. You must have an ATF account set up also. I would think that you should contact the dealer (SS) for an explanation of why it took 7 months to set up the trust. I am not a fan of SS, but this lag time is highly unusual.

Yeah, I own 11 cans, and got them all through SS, half paper forms, and half eForms... So, I'm well-versed in how it works the old way and the electronic way...

The longest I've waited for a Single-Shot Trust to get drawn-up and ready to certify was maybe 2 business days...Maybe 3 at the very most if they got super busy. After that point, it's all on the dealer to get the shit done and certified.

Also, he didn't say it took 7 months to setup the trust, he said it took 7 months to certify. Big difference. Had it been 7 months to setup the Trust, then yes, it would be on Silencer Shop to explain that, but being as to how he said it was 7 months to certify the Trust, then THAT is on his local dealer that he selected to have the can Form 3'd to.

 

[FuhQ]

I thought the whole process was "easy". Just wait for SS or the dealer to tell you when you have to do something!

That normally is how it goes... Buy it, DocuSign your Trust, Certify it, then you wait until you get your email from the ATF saying that the status has changed from "PENDING" to "APPROVED", and you can go pick it up. And if you have a good dealer, they will call you when that email comes in, because it is sent to you AND the dealer simultaneously. It's that simple.

 

[FuhQ]

I clearly don't know jack shit about this, but the email saying the trust (single shot) was complete didn't come through until after form 4 was certified. Like almost immediately after, like they were waiting on certification to complete it.

ATF account was set up back in March.

Yes, that is your finalized copy of your Trust...The one that has been DocuSigned by you, and was sent to the ATF for approval during your Certification process.

But prior to that happening, when you first bought the can, you should have had to do a DocuSign that was sent to you via email from Silencer Shop. This is where you first sign your Trust paperwork, where SS gets it all ready to be sent off, and then once it's complete, they put it into the dealer portal (the dealer only part of their website), where your dealer can then certify it with you, which is where you submit it to the ATF.

 

[QS-1911]

Huxwrx Flow 762
Trust with just me in it
Certified on 5/29
Approved on 11/14
169 days which is a new record.

Each successive suppressor has been approved more quickly than the last. Spotting a trend and an impetus to buy more suppressors. Might as well order up a new 5.56 can since it'll get approved long before Dead Air fixes my Sierra 5! I'm taking bets.

Just ordered that same can last month.

 

[Longshot231]

Huxwrx Flow 762
Trust with just me in it
Certified on 5/29
Approved on 11/14
169 days which is a new record.

Each successive suppressor has been approved more quickly than the last. Spotting a trend and an impetus to buy more suppressors. Might as well order up a new 5.56 can since it'll get approved long before Dead Air fixes my Sierra 5! I'm taking bets.

169 days is a new record because this is what @Ape_Factory looks like in real life. Congratulations!

 

[Necessary 3vil]

I think you understand the gist though, right ?

Either go through the Trust (yes, with it's associated Form 4) or go with a straight Form 4/no LEO signoff.

You mean go individual instead of using a trust!?!? It’s ALL done on a Form 4….
Clarity

 

[VicC55]

Feb. 7, 2023 - Nov. 11, 2023 - 9 months
Mar. 7, 2023 - Sept. 13, 2023 - 6 months

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

Finally

Nomad LT
Submitted 2-15-2023
Approved 11-16-2023

Gonna go pick her up today boys. No dice on the others but at least I got this one.

Edit- false alarm. It was SS sending my stamp again for the Nonad L I already have , not the new LT... the beat goes on

 

[AZLong]

My TBAC Ultra finally got built after 2 months. NOW I get to wait...

 

[Czoo]

KGM R30 - Waiting (probably tomorrow from peeps I've talked to) Edit: Didn't go through today. No idea when now.
KGM R556 - APPROVED
KGM SMG9 - APPROVED
KGM RF22 - APPROVED

All 4 were submitted at the same time with Revocable Living Trust.
Silencer shop eform.
Submitted 6/17/23
Approved 11/16/23
152 days

 

[Hobbes442]

submitted 6/13/23 approved today 11/16/23 e form single trust

 

[High Desert duck]

Got 2 back in the last week
Trust
B&T SD suppressor
Submitted 4/17/23
Approved 11/6/23
Rugged Alaskan-ti
Submitted 5/23/23
Approved 11/16/22

 

[Longshot231]

This is what @Czoo, @Hobbes442 and @High Desert duck look like in real life. That's what they got approved so fast. Congratulations!

 

[Dimefox]

This is what @Czoo, @Hobbes442 and @High Desert duck look like in real life. That's what they got approved so fast. Congratulations!

If I send feet pics to the ATF will mine go faster? Cuz I don't look like that

 

[Wyfox]

YHM R9, Paper form 4, individual
Submitted- March 2
Approved- Sept 20

 

[Czoo]

Are all the atf approved emails in the morning or can they be during the day. My email in at just before 7a.

 

[AZLong]

Are all the atf approved emails in the morning or can they be during the day. My email in at just before 7a.

I have received emails on Sundays

 

[FuhQ]

Are all the atf approved emails in the morning or can they be during the day. My email in at just before 7a.

My last one came though at like 8:45pm on a Sunday night…

 

[Lazyfaire]

Are all the atf approved emails in the morning or can they be during the day. My email in at just before 7a.

About the time you think you have figured it out.......Nothing they do seems to be by rhyme or reason. eForms was supposed to only take 60 days.. 2 years ago next month. Sit back, go shooting and forget about it

 

[GibsonL5]

I logged into my atf account today for the first time since july. There were some updates, one of which pertained to tax return. Anyone else have those updates or is it across the board for everyone?

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

I logged into my atf account today for the first time since july. There were some updates, one of which pertained to tax return. Anyone else have those updates or is it across the board for everyone?

They finally answered my email from weeks ago and didn't say anything but " it's pending be patient "

 

[Lazyfaire]

They finally answered my email from weeks ago and didn't say anything but " it's pending be patient "

Must be a scam. Too polite

 

[red man]

Tbac ultra 7
Submitted 1/24/23
Approved 11/21/23
Form 4 trust, 2 responsible parties
301 days
FINALLY!

 

[FOS373]

I have something to be thankful for…. Less than 90 days!!!!

TBAC Fly 9
Eforms trust
Submitted 8/23/2023
Approved 11/22/2023

I‘m certain the next one will not be that fast, but I’ll take it for this one.

 

[Longshot231]

I have something to be thankful for…. Less than 90 days!!!!

TBAC Fly 9
Eforms trust
Submitted 8/23/2023
Approved 11/22/2023

I‘m certain the next one will not be that fast, but I’ll take it for this one.

It was 91 days but who's counting? This is what @FOS373 really looks like. That's why it took 91 days. Congratulations!

I bet you guys can't wait to see what a 60 day wonder looks like!

 

[FOS373]

It was 91 days but who's counting? This is what @FOS373 really looks like. That's why it took 91 days. Congratulations!

I bet you guys can't wait to see what a 60 day wonder looks like!

with my counting skills I’m obviously a blonde