Fuck me school shooting in Texas

[NoDopes]

So two things jumped out at me from tge Dailynews link on previous page.
1. Kids calling 911 from inside.
2. Shithead shooter tried to ambush entry team from a closet as they entered.

This sounds as if the scene had moved from an "active shooter" to a barricaded gunman/hostage situation. Response for hostages is slow things down and negotiate.

There's still a lot we don't know. He could have been shooting from a closet. Kids were almost certainly bleeding out. But we don't know what could be heard from inside. We don't know if they had eyes on the inside of the classroom.

One of the biggest problems I see is the rush for news agencies and politicians to be the first to get a story out. Look at what happened with Abbott. He was given wrong information and he had to own it making himself look bad. Plus the public wants to lynch the officers. I've always said, give the investigation time. Then decide what was done right, what was done wrong, and what could be done better.

Yeah, isn't that why they create protocols.
They knew kids had been shot, and they knew at some point, some were still alive making 9-11 calls. They violated protocol because they worried about themselves over the victims/kids.
I don't see any real way to try to defend them at all. Already missing audio? Wouldn't be surprised if true. Maybe we can get Bill Barr to investigate, he can get to the truth.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Yeah, isn't that why they create protocols.
They knew kids had been shot, and they knew at some point, some were still alive making 9-11 calls. They violated protocol because they worried about themselves over the victims/kids.
I don't see any real way to try to defend them at all. Already missing audio? Wouldn't be surprised if true. Maybe we can get Bill Barr to investigate, he can get to the truth.

This terrible event simply validates the "Law of Nature"... Birds, dogs, chickens and humans all have an instinct to protect their child. Nothing has changed in the last 5,000 years. No one is coming to save your family. Let that sink in.

 

[TexPatriot]

This terrible event simply validates the "Law of Nature"... Birds, dogs, chickens and humans all have an instinct to protect their child. Nothing has changed in the last 5,000 years. No one is coming to save your family. Let that sink in.

Don't forget mother grizzlies. Get between a brood of feral hog piglets and a sow and see how that works out for you.

 

[madppcs]

man, what is this like 10 people youve ignored now?...cant handle people disagreeing with you that much eh?

...why bother to post in a forum if you are going to ignore everyone on it...

That's because they're hardened up like a damn prison, rightfully so, and they have IDF in full kit at every one all day every day. Israel doesn't fuck around with their kids safety like we do.

You don't even understand what it is or how it works, let alone bother to read anything I write, which is why nobody pays any attention to you.

You're a blowhard... on ignore

Thats because he can hide behind resources when people see through their bullshit. Qualified immunity is about as corrupt as it can get. He just wants to paint a pretty virtue signaling picture that its in place (For our own good, and for the good of police officers). They always run and hide behind legalized criminal acts and claim (Its within policy)

 

[Mr.BR]

From what we can decipher so far the scene was mostly waiting it out and then making shit up why.I am kinda surprised they didn't call in the national guard to bring a M1 . And the remedy for the fiasco will be that they need more money and more high-speed low drag gear they can show off next time they wait it out. And i am pretty certain that we don't have the true story yet will take weeks before it all comes out and it will likely be even worse that what we know now.

 

[longtines]

I feel sorry for the incompetent people involved, and blame whoever put them there. Just because they were incompetent for the job doesn't mean they aren't human and will have to live with this horrible failure for the rest of their lives. Thank God I didn't get some positions I sought earlier in my life. There were good reasons I didn't get what I wanted, and I understood that years later.

As with the military, police, fire fighters and other jobs where lives are at immediate risk, there is zero room for "political correctness." May the best man or woman get the job, period. That's who I want to come and rescue my child. I don't give a shit what boxes they checked on their applications.

 

[madppcs]

They all getting their stories straight and probably deciding on what (evidence) will be allowed public. Everyone has to be on the same page

 

[Snuby642]

Buddy, I watched a dude take rounds directly in center mass from a 5.56 while wearing armor, not make a sound or fall down, and help us carry out a wounded trooper.

And that’s just one of the times I’ve seen people take rounds with and without armor.

Have *you* actually seen it??

You guys ever see one round spiderweb an entire chest / abdomen collapse a lung , with plates on ?

 

[TexPatriot]

I feel sorry for the incompetent people involved, and blame whoever put them there. Just because they were incompetent for the job doesn't mean they aren't human and will have to live with this horrible failure for the rest of their lives. Thank God I didn't get some positions I sought earlier in my life. There were good reasons I didn't get what I wanted, and I understood that years later.

As with the military, police, fire fighters and other jobs where lives are at immediate risk, there is zero room for "political correctness." May the best man or woman get the job, period. That's who I want to come and rescue my child. I don't give a shit what boxes they checked on their applications.

They were always incompetent and the only thing they're concerned with living with the rest of their lives is their pension.

 

[Grant77]

Yup

Coincidence it happened on the anniversary of George Floyd?

Anniversary of the first Star Wars movie hitting theaters…coincidence?

 

[datec]

They need to lose all benefits and their jobs. Every last one of them, if the higher ups told them to stand down then they are nothing more then "yes men" and do not deserve to ware that uniform and everything that comes with it. How someone can just stand there and do nothing is beyond me not to mention stop the parents from doing something when they wouldn't, absolutely unforgivable.

 

[Grant77]

Anyone know what drugs the medical industry had that little nut job on, I’d also be interested if he was the result of a unplanned pregnancy

HaHa…half the motherfuckers ON here are the result of “unplanned” pregnancies what’s that have to do with the price of tea in China?

 

[TexPatriot]

They need to lose all benefits and their jobs. Every last one of them, if the higher ups told them to stand down then they are nothing more then "yes men" and do not deserve to ware that uniform and everything that comes with it. How someone can just stand there and do nothing is beyond me not to mention stop the parents from doing something when they wouldn't, absolutely unforgivable.

They went home safely with their own kids that they rescued but not only did they refuse to save the enemy's kids, those not behind their thin blue line, they prevented the parents, the enemy, from saving their kids.

Losing their jobs and pension should be the least of their worries.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Don't forget mother grizzlies. Get between a brood of feral hog piglets and a sow and see how that works out for you.

Those two mother's you just mentioned would never trust the State or Federal Government to take care of their babies.

 

[TurboTrout]

HaHa…half the motherfuckers ON here are the result of “unplanned” pregnancies what’s that have to do with the price of tea in China?

“Parents” who can’t manage their own crotch probably ain’t raising their brood well.

 

[datec]

 

[Grant77]

I need tech support

 

[Grant77]

“Parents” who can’t manage their own crotch probably ain’t raising their brood well.

1,000% right….then why the hell are we gonna end abortion? We should be handing that shit out like tictacs for free on every city block

 

[Grant77]

Delete

 

[Grant77]

So two things jumped out at me from tge Dailynews link on previous page.
1. Kids calling 911 from inside.
2. Shithead shooter tried to ambush entry team from a closet as they entered.

This sounds as if the scene had moved from an "active shooter" to a barricaded gunman/hostage situation. Response for hostages is slow things down and negotiate.

There's still a lot we don't know. He could have been shooting from a closet. Kids were almost certainly bleeding out. But we don't know what could be heard from inside. We don't know if they had eyes on the inside of the classroom.

One of the biggest problems I see is the rush for news agencies and politicians to be the first to get a story out. Look at what happened with Abbott. He was given wrong information and he had to own it making himself look bad. Plus the public wants to lynch the officers. I've always said, give the investigation time. Then decide what was done right, what was done wrong, and what could be done better.

Whole situation is a complete goat-fuck…throw in a 24hr news cycle with all the media trying to be the first with updates and of COURSE they’re going to fuck it up and rush to announce the latest “breaking news”…fact checking goes out the window and we spiral down into a whirlwind of rumor and guesses.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Remember that time a group of citizens said, "Let's roll!!". They knew that they were going to die but they did something.
There's countless accounts of people doing shit with total disregard for themselves to help others.
These shitbags that did nothing and especially those that restrained the civilians should have the 911 calls from those children blared outside their house every night, all night!!
I hope there's a pile of guns and badges on the chiefs desk.

 

[LawnMM]

Thats because he can hide behind resources when people see through their bullshit. Qualified immunity is about as corrupt as it can get. He just wants to paint a pretty virtue signaling picture that its in place (For our own good, and for the good of police officers). They always run and hide behind legalized criminal acts and claim (Its within policy)

 

[madppcs]

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[LawnMM]

 

[Feniks Technologies]

So two things jumped out at me from tge Dailynews link on previous page.
1. Kids calling 911 from inside.
2. Shithead shooter tried to ambush entry team from a closet as they entered.

This sounds as if the scene had moved from an "active shooter" to a barricaded gunman/hostage situation. Response for hostages is slow things down and negotiate.

There's still a lot we don't know. He could have been shooting from a closet. Kids were almost certainly bleeding out. But we don't know what could be heard from inside. We don't know if they had eyes on the inside of the classroom.

One of the biggest problems I see is the rush for news agencies and politicians to be the first to get a story out. Look at what happened with Abbott. He was given wrong information and he had to own it making himself look bad. Plus the public wants to lynch the officers. I've always said, give the investigation time. Then decide what was done right, what was done wrong, and what could be done better.

Agreed.

There is a discussion to be had if the situation became and active shooter again though.

Once they couldn’t get into the room/s he was in, and *if* the shooting and such stopped…..now you have a possible hostage situation.

Imagine if there were 15 kids in there still alive, they start breaking the door down, and he kills those 15 before they can get in there. Everyone would be saying they should have pulled back and regrouped.

Now, onto the part where it seems it became an active shooter again. From the 911 calls it’s seems it may have. There’s also a question if the 911 center relayed all the info to the people on the ground. Regardless, there should have been someone close enough to hear shots or anything else from inside the classroom/s. Ideally a group ready to go back and attempt entry if the situation changes.


And the mob this society has become demanding updates and info immediately is the main reason “they keep changing the story.” As they are releasing the info they have at the time to calm the mob and media. Then they find another piece of the puzzle.


There’s definitely some after action things to look at and see what did and didn’t go well. And what we can learn from it in the LE community.

While if there was some bad decisions from the commander on scene, and I’m not making excuses, it’s worth considering that the initial LE response cornered him into two classrooms and contained him while the rest of the school was being evacuated. With the amount of ammo he had, this could have been far worse had it not been contained to two classrooms.

 

[pmclaine]

Agreed.

There is a discussion to be had if the situation became and active shooter again though.

Once they couldn’t get into the room/s he was in, and *if* the shooting and such stopped…..now you have a possible hostage situation.

Imagine if there were 15 kids in there still alive, they start breaking the door down, and he kills those 15 before they can get in there. Everyone would be saying they should have pulled back and regrouped.

Now, onto the part where it seems it became an active shooter again. From the 911 calls it’s seems it may have. There’s also a question if the 911 center relayed all the info to the people on the ground. Regardless, there should have been someone close enough to hear shots or anything else from inside the classroom/s. Ideally a group ready to go back and attempt entry if the situation changes.


And the mob this society has become demanding updates and info immediately is the main reason “they keep changing the story.” As they are releasing the info they have at the time to calm the mob and media. Then they find another piece of the puzzle.


There’s definitely some after action things to look at and see what did and didn’t go well. And what we can learn from it in the LE community.

While if there was some bad decisions from the commander on scene, and I’m not making excuses, it’s worth considering that the initial LE response cornered him into two classrooms and contained him while the rest of the school was being evacuated. With the amount of ammo he had, this could have been far worse had it not been contained to two classrooms.

Okay you are law enforcement of sorts.

In recent doctrine when has it ever been stop and wait?

They had kids making 911 calls.....bleeding out......this was never a barricaded subject.

What were his demands?

just stop it.......they fucked up!

Ill take a tactical timmy anyday..........

 

[LawnMM]

This has been asked and answered 14x

The rumors are circulating about what the guys in the hallway knew or were told as far as injuries and casualties in the room vs what the dispatchers and the head shed knew.

We'll see, till then everybody needs to

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

They knew where he was and that children were being hurt, killed and maimed.
Ohh wait, we need someone outside to tell us what to do?

This has been asked and answered 14x

The rumors are circulating about what the guys in the hallway knew or were told as far as injuries and casualties in the room vs what the dispatchers and the head shed knew.

We'll see, till then everybody needs to
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STFU? Bwaahaha. Don't dare criticize the blue!!!
There's fucking larpers in Ukraine right now with more balls than those shitbags that sat on their thumbs while children were being massacred.

 

[wade2big]

This has been asked and answered 14x

The rumors are circulating about what the guys in the hallway knew or were told as far as injuries and casualties in the room vs what the dispatchers and the head shed knew.

We'll see, till then everybody needs to
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The official story is always a lie. Never trust politicians, cops, or anyone else in the gov sector. I would trust a crackhead first.

 

[Feniks Technologies]

Okay you are law enforcement of sorts.

In recent doctrine when has it ever been stop and wait?

They had kids making 911 calls.....bleeding out......this was never a barricaded subject.

What were his demands?

just stop it.......they fucked up!

Ill take a tactical timmy anyday..........

Barricaded subject and hostages are a stop and wait.

Active shooter is go after them pretty much no matter what. It’s very rare the two overlap.

Barricaded subjects don’t always make demands and such.

Again, as they disseminate and get all accounts on what happened, then there can be an informed discussion.

As it’s a very different situation if the 911 calls were relayed properly to the scene commander. If they weren’t relayed that kids were still being shot, then that’s different than if the info was relayed.

And as I have said, if the decision was “properly” made to hold back for a period of time, it’s absolutely a fuck up to not have a group or team within ear shot to move asap when the situation changes. Or at a minimum relay what they are hearing, seeing, or thinking to the commander.

Point being, this isn’t as cut and dry as everyone makes it sound.

Again, what if you found out tomorrow there was no shooting after he went into the class room. And while the BORTAC unit was breaching, he shot 15 kids? We be talking about how they should have waited.

 

[TexPatriot]

Barricaded subject and hostages are a stop and wait.

Active shooter is go after them pretty much no matter what. It’s very rare the two overlap.

Barricaded subjects don’t always make demands and such.

Again, as they disseminate and get all accounts on what happened, then there can be an informed discussion.

As it’s a very different situation if the 911 calls were relayed properly to the scene commander. If they weren’t relayed that kids were still being shot, then that’s different than if the info was relayed.

And as I have said, if the decision was “properly” made to hold back for a period of time, it’s absolutely a fuck up to not have a group or team within ear shot to move asap when the situation changes. Or at a minimum relay what they are hearing, seeing, or thinking to the commander.

Point being, this isn’t as cut and dry as everyone makes it sound.

Again, what if you found out tomorrow there was no shooting after he went into the class room. And while the BORTAC unit was breaching, he shot 15 kids? We be talking about how they should have waited.

Yes it is. So sit down and STFU.

Nobody wants to read your bloviations.

 

[Feniks Technologies]

And speaking of doctrine, this is going to be a catalyst into new training and doctrine.

Most all active shooters don’t end up barricaded. They typically move until they are stopped. Be it someone else stopping them, or suicide.

This is going to be the time for training discussions and if something like “once an active shooter, always an active shooter.”

IE, once they start or cross that active shooter line, no matter what, treat it as an active shooter.

As now, copycats may try to stop shooting and act as if they want to make demands and such.


But, in all the training I have taken or seen, it hasn’t touched on what happens when the situation is basically flipped.

 

[Feniks Technologies]

Yes it is. So sit down and STFU.

Nobody wants to read your bloviations.

You guys are the equivalent to telling an astronaut how to fly a space shuttle.

If someone showed up to your job tomorrow and told you how you should do it, you’d be all over them about how long you’ve done it and what you know.


Most every agency and department in the country is hurting for people. Come be the change you’d like to see.

 

[LawnMM]

He only has big balls on the interwebz

 

[forrestgump01]

It’s cause ya let women take over.
Every one gets a trophy
No consequences
Etc

Then the real world hits them like a stack of bricks.

Never gained skills to overcome

What the world needs right now more than ever are more women willing to wash dishes and make sammiches !

The fall of civilization started when we gave them washing machines .

 

[pmclaine]

This has been asked and answered 14x

The rumors are circulating about what the guys in the hallway knew or were told as far as injuries and casualties in the room vs what the dispatchers and the head shed knew.

We'll see, till then everybody needs to
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Nope kids in school, shooter had been shooting them…..do your job or quit.

I’m a citizen. I’m your boss.

I got promoted when I was dishonorably discharged.

Do the job you are paid for.

 

[madppcs]

You guys are the equivalent to telling an astronaut how to fly a space shuttle.

If someone showed up to your job tomorrow and told you how you should do it, you’d be all over them about how long you’ve done it and what you know.


Most every agency and department in the country is hurting for people. Come be the change you’d like to see.

The difference is that those officers have been sucking up tax payer funds for years/decades to do their god damn job when the worst of the worst happens. Anyone can sit in a office all day, or sit in a patrol car issuing seatbelt violations to suck in more money to wear tactical gimmick gear and look the part on camera and social media. But there comes a time when you need to put your life on the line because you APPLIED FOR THE JOB and were never drafted or forced into the position you hold!!

Those Depts need to be stripped of funding

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Barricaded subject and hostages are a stop and wait.

Active shooter is go after them pretty much no matter what. It’s very rare the two overlap.

Barricaded subjects don’t always make demands and such.

Again, as they disseminate and get all accounts on what happened, then there can be an informed discussion.

As it’s a very different situation if the 911 calls were relayed properly to the scene commander. If they weren’t relayed that kids were still being shot, then that’s different than if the info was relayed.

And as I have said, if the decision was “properly” made to hold back for a period of time, it’s absolutely a fuck up to not have a group or team within ear shot to move asap when the situation changes. Or at a minimum relay what they are hearing, seeing, or thinking to the commander.

Point being, this isn’t as cut and dry as everyone makes it sound.

Again, what if you found out tomorrow there was no shooting after he went into the class room. And while the BORTAC unit was breaching, he shot 15 kids? We be talking about how they should have waited.

Your message oooozes of "Collateral Damage"........ and "It could have been worse"..... Obviously you have never buried one of your own children. Come back after that experience and let us know how it should have gone down.

 

[LawnMM]

Nope kids in school, shooter had been shooting them…..do your job or quit.

I’m a citizen. I’m your boss.

I got promoted when I was dishonorably discharged.

Do the job you are paid for.

I'm not going to argue with you, I wasn't there, and neither were you. Till we know what happened it's all speculation so have at it, I'd think you'd know better.

 

[pmclaine]

Barricaded subject and hostages are a stop and wait.

Active shooter is go after them pretty much no matter what. It’s very rare the two overlap.

Barricaded subjects don’t always make demands and such.

Again, as they disseminate and get all accounts on what happened, then there can be an informed discussion.

As it’s a very different situation if the 911 calls were relayed properly to the scene commander. If they weren’t relayed that kids were still being shot, then that’s different than if the info was relayed.

And as I have said, if the decision was “properly” made to hold back for a period of time, it’s absolutely a fuck up to not have a group or team within ear shot to move asap when the situation changes. Or at a minimum relay what they are hearing, seeing, or thinking to the commander.

Point being, this isn’t as cut and dry as everyone makes it sound.

Again, what if you found out tomorrow there was no shooting after he went into the class room. And while the BORTAC unit was breaching, he shot 15 kids? We be talking about how they should have waited.

You know what the difference between an active shooter and an “inactive” shooter is…….about a pound of take up and 3 pounds on the second stage.

Do your fucking job.

Maniac in school and it has already caused a casualty he does not get to set the agenda.

 

[pmclaine]

I'm not going to argue with you, I wasn't there, and neither were you. Till we know what happened it's all speculation so have at it, I'd think you'd know better.

Doing the same thing over and over again is the sign of stupid.

We know how these school shooting go.

I didn’t need to be there.

 

[Feniks Technologies]

...What if...

Boy those 2 words can get dangerous

The whole thing is a what if. You’re literally saying “if” they went in, it would have been different.

 

[LawnMM]

Doing the same thing over and over again is the sign of stupid.

We know how these school shooting go.

I didn’t need to be there.

Whatever you say Cmdr Knowsitall

 

[BullGear]

Barricaded subject and hostages are a stop and wait.

Active shooter is go after them pretty much no matter what. It’s very rare the two overlap.

Barricaded subjects don’t always make demands and such.

Again, as they disseminate and get all accounts on what happened, then there can be an informed discussion.

As it’s a very different situation if the 911 calls were relayed properly to the scene commander. If they weren’t relayed that kids were still being shot, then that’s different than if the info was relayed.

And as I have said, if the decision was “properly” made to hold back for a period of time, it’s absolutely a fuck up to not have a group or team within ear shot to move asap when the situation changes. Or at a minimum relay what they are hearing, seeing, or thinking to the commander.

Point being, this isn’t as cut and dry as everyone makes it sound.

Again, what if you found out tomorrow there was no shooting after he went into the class room. And while the BORTAC unit was breaching, he shot 15 kids? We be talking about how they should have waited.

After the kid goes in and shoots up 2 classrooms, it can never reverts to a barricade with hostage situation. It can only be considered an active shooter situation.

How can someone believe that after taking unknown lives can it be a barricade situation? That's just a made up story where they are trying to cover up what really happened.

 

[Feniks Technologies]

Your message oooozes of "Collateral Damage"........ and "It could have been worse"..... Obviously you have never buried one of your own children. Come back after that experience and let us know how it should have gone down.

You’re right. But I have burried a brother, and several people I’ve served with who died in incidents such as these.

I can say the same to you. Come find me when you have to pull dead kids out of a store, school, or vehicle when someone does evil or stupid shit.

How you interpret my words are up to you. But I don’t hint or allude. If I don’t say it explicitly, I don’t mean it. If I wanted to say collateral damage, I’d say it. I couldn’t care less of the feelings of a person on an Internet forum that isn’t even a real place.

 

[TexPatriot]

You guys are the equivalent to telling an astronaut how to fly a space shuttle.

If someone showed up to your job tomorrow and told you how you should do it, you’d be all over them about how long you’ve done it and what you know.


Most every agency and department in the country is hurting for people. Come be the change you’d like to see.

And tell us again what their job was that we aren't qualified to do, aside from handcuffing a mother that wanted to save her child?

 

[BullGear]

I'm not going to argue with you, I wasn't there, and neither were you. Till we know what happened it's all speculation so have at it, I'd think you'd know better.

Which version are you waiting for? It's been proven that they's changed the narrative a number of times. I doubt we will ever know the REAL TRUTH.

 

[Feniks Technologies]

After the kid goes in and shoots up 2 classrooms, it can never reverts to a barricade with hostage situation. It can only be considered an active shooter situation.

How can someone believe that after taking unknown lives can it be a barricade situation? That's just a made up story where they are trying to cover up what really happened.

I can’t have a discussion with faulty logic and conspiracies.

That’s the same logic of saying criminals don’t follow laws, but that he needs a job to buy the guns.

As I said, all it takes is an application. Come show us and everyone how it’s done.

 

[Feniks Technologies]

Which version are you waiting for? It's been proven that they's changed the narrative a number of times. I doubt we will ever know the REAL TRUTH.

Yea, that’s what happens when people want information immediately. You get the telephone game.

There were people on the scene that would describe it completely different from what they saw.

You people (society) created this information problem. You demand info before it’s reliable.

Then you complain when more reliable info is released because it’s different.

 

[LawnMM]

Which version are you waiting for? It's been proven that they's changed the narrative a number of times. I doubt we will ever know the REAL TRUTH.

As I understand it the state is going to look at it, I'd be fucking shocked if the feds didn't, it's certainly going to be dissected and analyzed to hell and gone to prevent it from happening again... too high profile not to be.

I'll wait for that, not a bunch of over emotional children ranting about what they would have done after watching the fucking news that we've all been calling FAKE for the last two and a half years over Covid.

But now cause kids are dead suddenly the media is trustworthy again. Y'all are fucking stupid if you believe that.