Firefighters have “keys to the city” on every truck. We did.How’s the fuck do the police and fire department not have master keys to the buildings? Pretty sure we did for any major buildings here.
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Firefighters have “keys to the city” on every truck. We did.How’s the fuck do the police and fire department not have master keys to the buildings? Pretty sure we did for any major buildings here.
Nothing justifies qualified immunity. That bullshit needs to be done away with. EVERYONE shall be held accountable for their own actions. Dont wave that bullshit flag about (Bad cops abusing it) and ruining it for the rest of police officers.I appreciate the enthusiasm and you asked in a civil tone so I'm going to answer the same way knowing ahead of time you won't like it.
No.
It's an active crime in progress, crime scene, and it's a crime of the worst order...homicide.
You absolutely do NOT have the right to go charging in on your own. Nor should you. Recognize your own limitations in a situation like that.
You aren't thinking clearly, period. Unless you have MIL/LE experience you don't know WTF you're doing.
You're likely to get yourself shot if you get in there and some tac team of cops sees you working your way down the halls with a gun.
That qualified immunity thing people dislike about Cops so much? It's only a bad thing when Cops are abusing their power.
It protects them from frivolous law suits if they're following the law and policy and despite their best efforts, shit goes bad anyway.
You as a citizen don't have it. You go charging in there, maybe you even save your own kid. Same scenario right... in the process of kicking in the door and saving your kid and 10 others he shoots two before you get him.
Hold on and buckle up because those two sets of parents of the dead kids aren't gonna give a FUCK what your intentions were and neither will every scumbag $1000/hr attorney offering to represent them for free just to get the publicity.
That's just the civil side. You could be charged criminally for interfering with the active police operation. Heaven help you if you get a couple cops killed they'll come after you like nobody's business. They could charge you in the deaths of the kids and try to hold you responsible. Politicians don't wanna get blamed and you best believe they all look for a scapegoat after something like this, don't give 'em one.
Not saying any of it is right or I agree or that it's what I think should happen, but it's some of what COULD happen.
If it was a mall or something and my wife or kid was inside as much as I'd want to be part of it I'd leave it to other guys on my team, department, the other jurisdiction, whatever.
My abilities are beyond compromised when it's my loved ones on the line. When I don't have a loved one inside I can think cooly and calmly about how best to get the innocents out and turn the bad guys face into mashed potatoes.
Recognize your own limitations in a scenario like that.
Theres no way you actually believe what you typed... I dont have the patience to type all my response or gather factual evidence to totally disassemble your statements.See LawnMM’s spot-on post right above your dipshittery one.
As much as you want to somehow pull abortion into this tragic event, it just makes you look like a fucking moron. Left, Right, or Center don’t mean a goddamn thing when it comes to loving your kids, how much you love your kids, or what you’d do to protect your kids…so do us all a favor and don’t take a giant steaming dump on a conversation otherwise focused on what did/could/or may have gone tragically wrong and led to so many innocent deaths.
Is there some Superman-savior-bullshit being spewed on here? Absolutely, and I’m guilty of some of that myself. But that’s all just a lot of heated emotion from Dads/decent human beings desperately trying to convince ourselves that somehow we’d be able to something, ANYTHING to stop this if god-forbid that was one of our children's school. Everyone on here posting is grieving for those children and their families, you included.
Nobody’s gonna take away your rights or your guns or your kids or your fucking balls, so pack up your tin hat paranoid bullshit.
The Dems can’t find their asses with both hands let alone orchestrate some giant legislated gun-grab, so relaaaax. The only people that want to make you think that shit are the ones that stand to make a shit ton of money off your panic i.e. the gun manufacturers and the NRA hitting us up for limitless donations to fight a figment of their imagination.
And DONT go out and buy cases of ammo and reloading components bc all you’re doing is fucking it up for the rest of us non-panicking assholes
I quite literally took my kids out of school and homeschooled them 2 months before the school we were moving to got shot up by some dickhead.It's time to rethink home-schooling for some parents.
The poster you quoteds response is more or less how we got the 1994 AWB. Everyone said it couldn’t happen and then it did.Theres no way you actually believe what you typed... I dont have the patience to type all my response or gather factual evidence to totally disassemble your statements.
Someone else please help our brother out
That's because they're hardened up like a damn prison, rightfully so, and they have IDF in full kit at every one all day every day. Israel doesn't fuck around with their kids safety like we do.I don't remember when I ever heard about an Israeli school having something like this happen.
You don't even understand what it is or how it works, let alone bother to read anything I write, which is why nobody pays any attention to you.Nothing justifies qualified immunity. That bullshit needs to be done away with. EVERYONE shall be held accountable for their own actions. Dont wave that bullshit flag about (Bad cops abusing it) and ruining it for the rest of police officers.
“Try” and achieve are VERY different things, ask the fat kid in gym class.True. And everyone grieves differently.
Really? We have free speech being censored; we had patriotic protestors imprisoned in abhorrant conditions without trial. Most here that have posted anything ""against the narrative" now have a DHS or FBI file. The mental health crisis has been created by the same globalists that want to take guns away. They banned "assault rifles" before, albeit with some grandfathering, they can do it again. Its easier (not too mention a big goal of theirs anyway) to remove guns, not to address a problem they created that has served them well and continues to serve them. How mentally healthy are Antifa or BLM rioters? They can't fix that. They should be labeled terrorists, not the patriot. The ATF already has a gun registry that is against the law, but they still have it. Dems can't accomplish much? Really? They sure jacked my budget! They have created a two tiered justice ...and I can go on and on regarding what has been done that ten years ago no one would have said would be law of our land; to say gun rights aren't at risk is absurd. They shouldn't be, its clear in the second amendment, but they have thrown Constitution to the wind in too many ways in a short period of time to trust them at all. I'm not saying its time to "panic" this second, but they have accomplished some of their goals at lightning speed.
I have already heard Congressmen using this "gun crisis" (mental health crisis) as justification to pack the court. They want guns out of our hands by midterms, and certainly before the food shortage.
Yes, these cops were. I think specialized police or security is needed, someone who trains for it. Course there is a shitload of schools and that will americans taxes, but someone needs to be armed like a bank.why?....the police actively protected the shooter from the parents while they stood around letting him murder kids....they are all accessories to murder.
the police were complicit in this shooting....they can go get fucked with a rusty cactus....i dont want a cop anywhere near my kids.
hire private contractors...they willingly go into warzones, they arent afraid of 18yr old incels...
I understand what you are getting at but have some criticism. You believe far too much in fake elections and Republicans.“Try” and achieve are VERY different things, ask the fat kid in gym class.
Fuck yeah the Dems will try to take guns away but they don’t even have all the DEMS votes to actually pass anything let alone the 10 Republican votes they’d need get it through…all I’m saying is there’s no chance they’re able to do it.
AND they’re gonna get CRUSHED in the midterms so the republicans will take back the House and very very likely the Senate too…then what? None of that shit even gets discussed let alone put up for a vote.
And two tiered justice system? You think the Dems invented that shit? Dude that’s been around since the very first judge sat on any bench…money gets you out of damn near EVERYTHING. Throw enough money at lawyers and you go free, that’s how it’s worked since the fuckin Romans.
You would be surprised how a parent who knows how to handle a weapon can do when someone takes their child with no official training, God would be scared.yes
yes
yes
it takes time and money, but all of those skills are not too difficult to get training in if you are motivated enough to get off the couch.
Complacency bit them in the ass, and i hate to make schools sound like prisons, but until there is a change in the populace, i see no other options.I totally agree. There was an armed officer at the school but how they supposed to do their fucking job when a teacher props (an otherwise locked) door open and the goddamn shooter walks right in unopposed.
I don’t know how that teacher doesn’t off himself after this shit.
Luck AFI quite literally took my kids out of school and homeschooled them 2 months before the school we were moving to got shot up by some dickhead.
What would you do? I'm curious about the commenters on here as to what they would do. How many have any CQB or breaching experience? Practiced room clearing? Know basic trauma skills?
I just watched a timeline update.
Normally I am very supportive of police.
I would support and vote to convict all 19 officers and the OIC of murder for their inaction and violation of active shooter policy. I had to shut off the video I was so enraged.
If you want to talk about my MMQB--take it up with this guy--I'll stack his creds against anyone (not the interview, FF to about 3 mins)
I just watched a timeline update.
Normally I am very supportive of police.
I would support and vote to convict all 19 officers and the OIC of murder for their inaction and violation of active shooter policy. I had to shut off the video I was so enraged.
If you want to talk about my MMQB--take it up with this guy--I'll stack his creds against anyone (not the interview, FF to about 3 mins)
No. Fuck the cops. They are complicitETA - I just watched some comments from a dude with a shit ton of experience and his message was spot on. It's not the time to blame shift, it doesn't help anything.
Is it confirmed he was a Dem?I guarantee that Uvalde Democrat police chief had an underlying motive to not only prevent his men but parents from stopping the killing. He should be arrested and charged as an accessory and held without bond.
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Federal agents DEFIED Uvalde police chief's order not to enter school
Members of an elite tactical border patrol unit arrived at Robb Elementary School at around midday, but were told by the chief of the school district police to not enter the school.www.dailymail.co.uk
What does it took like to you ?Is it confirmed he was a Dem?
A guy in a picture. Hispanic, which in Texas has an extremely high occurrence of Republican Hispanics.What does it took like to you ?
That’s a hell of a stretch to make based on zero verified intel…you really believe that this guy WANTED and enabled those children to get murdered?I guarantee that Uvalde Democrat police chief had an underlying motive to not only prevent his men but parents from stopping the killing. He should be arrested and charged as an accessory and held without bond.
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Federal agents DEFIED Uvalde police chief's order not to enter school
Members of an elite tactical border patrol unit arrived at Robb Elementary School at around midday, but were told by the chief of the school district police to not enter the school.www.dailymail.co.uk
You serious, Clark?Is it confirmed he was a Dem?
No no no that can’t be. He’s a hard working Hispanic who goes to church every SundayYou serious, Clark?
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Just like this slimy fuckstick. The one on the Left.
Remember him and his role in Parkland's school shooting?
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But wait, there's more! Supposedly Uvalde PD has their own SWAT Team. It was the usual makeup of all male/all white members. Chief Arredondo had a problem with that so he booted them and replaced them with this:
Hop do you think they vote?
Yes I was serious. I was digging for more information and couldn't find the record you just posted. Appreciate it. (not sarcasm).You serious, Clark?
No, he just didn't WANT them to be rescued.That’s a hell of a stretch to make based on zero verified intel…you really believe that this guy WANTED and enabled those children to get murdered?
Apparently he was a 911 dispatcher until just a few days (maybe weeks?) before the shooting…he was incompetent, cowardly, and complete wrong man for that or any LE job sure. Freezing like that is totally unforgivable, but that’s a very far cry from consciously and intentionally allowing those children to die.
The real truth will never be known. Too much at stake on all fronts. The truth, as it is disseminated, will be crafted as to have the most impact to continue whatever narrative is needed to continue removing your freedoms.So two things jumped out at me from tge Dailynews link on previous page.
1. Kids calling 911 from inside.
2. Shithead shooter tried to ambush entry team from a closet as they entered.
This sounds as if the scene had moved from an "active shooter" to a barricaded gunman/hostage situation. Response for hostages is slow things down and negotiate.
There's still a lot we don't know. He could have been shooting from a closet. Kids were almost certainly bleeding out. But we don't know what could be heard from inside. We don't know if they had eyes on the inside of the classroom.
One of the biggest problems I see is the rush for news agencies and politicians to be the first to get a story out. Look at what happened with Abbott. He was given wrong information and he had to own it making himself look bad. Plus the public wants to lynch the officers. I've always said, give the investigation time. Then decide what was done right, what was done wrong, and what could be done better.
When you can understand that the worst people the world has to offer seek out government employment then it will make sense to you. The cross section of gov’t employees, especially police, has no relation to the cross section of the public. Certain personalities are drawn to the authority that the job provides. A man has to be a statist as well. The state has to come first.I simply cannot fathom the idea that armed first responders were able to stand outside that room and listen to those distressed children - undoubtedly crying from fear or pain, and knowing that a good many of them were bleeding out the entire time - and still do nothing because they were ordered not to?
Yes - I don't think there is a cabal of conspiracy creators that are somehow orchestrating the blah blah blah.Coincidence it happened on the anniversary of George Floyd?
You’re trying to bring logic and intelligence into this shit show of a thread…good luck with that.So two things jumped out at me from tge Dailynews link on previous page.
1. Kids calling 911 from inside.
2. Shithead shooter tried to ambush entry team from a closet as they entered.
This sounds as if the scene had moved from an "active shooter" to a barricaded gunman/hostage situation. Response for hostages is slow things down and negotiate.
There's still a lot we don't know. He could have been shooting from a closet. Kids were almost certainly bleeding out. But we don't know what could be heard from inside. We don't know if they had eyes on the inside of the classroom.
One of the biggest problems I see is the rush for news agencies and politicians to be the first to get a story out. Look at what happened with Abbott. He was given wrong information and he had to own it making himself look bad. Plus the public wants to lynch the officers. I've always said, give the investigation time. Then decide what was done right, what was done wrong, and what could be done better.
And anything that would fix it is deemed illegal by the state and cracked down on by its men in order to stay on course. The downward spiral continues.Yes - I don't think there is a cabal of conspiracy creators that are somehow orchestrating the blah blah blah.
Its worse than that. A conspiracy to create this situation is like a pot hole. What's actually wrong is our entire society is self destructing way down in the foundational parts. The whole roadway is collapsing.
We have replaced discipline with lawlessness, mental health care with homelessness, parenting with drugs, and the American Dream with a gender reassignment surgery.
These two fat fucks should have been fired along time ago for not being able to complete a physical every year. No fucking way those blubber whales can be effectual police officers. Gross representation of a law enforcement officer. No way they can do a mile and a half in 11 min.
I highly doubt that we’ll ever know what drugs he was on (or stopped taking without instructions to do so). Doesn’t fit the anti gun narrative. His mom is a druggie, I’m sure she didn’t plan on getting knocked up, nor did she stop using while she was. I’ve said it before, if we are using taxpayer money to fund abortions, something I personally disagree with, we should prioritize the crack heads. They don’t even know who his dad is. Was probably her dealer, but I doubt she even knows.Anyone know what drugs the medical industry had that little nut job on, I’d also be interested if he was the result of a unplanned pregnancy
Coincidence it happened on the anniversary of George Floyd?
I knew a game warden that was as fat as that fatbody on the right. He was always a blob growing up and failed P.E. in high school because he couldn't do one push-up much less a pull-up.These two fat fucks should have been fired along time ago for not being able to complete a physical every year. No fucking way those blubber whales can be effectual police officers. Gross representation of a law enforcement officer. No way they can do a mile and a half in 11 min.
In Texas, the border is blue voters and S. Texas and the border is notoriously corrupt. It always has been. Nepotism is very strong throughout the judicial system with judges and politicians all having the same last name.A guy in a picture. Hispanic, which in Texas has an extremely high occurrence of Republican Hispanics.
Something about remembering that they are a hard working, Catholic, family oriented culture and that doesn’t line up perfectly with abortions and gender reassignment surgeries for kids.
Yeah, isn't that why they create protocols.So two things jumped out at me from tge Dailynews link on previous page.
1. Kids calling 911 from inside.
2. Shithead shooter tried to ambush entry team from a closet as they entered.
This sounds as if the scene had moved from an "active shooter" to a barricaded gunman/hostage situation. Response for hostages is slow things down and negotiate.
There's still a lot we don't know. He could have been shooting from a closet. Kids were almost certainly bleeding out. But we don't know what could be heard from inside. We don't know if they had eyes on the inside of the classroom.
One of the biggest problems I see is the rush for news agencies and politicians to be the first to get a story out. Look at what happened with Abbott. He was given wrong information and he had to own it making himself look bad. Plus the public wants to lynch the officers. I've always said, give the investigation time. Then decide what was done right, what was done wrong, and what could be done better.