Geissele MRGG-S adopted by USSOCOM in 6.5 CM.

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To catch people up on the news, Geissele was awarded the contract for the sniper variant. They are currently still competing for the Assaulter variant but it has yet to be awarded. In the video, the mil requirement was 1 MOA. They test every rifle that ships and the first 50 tested an overall average of .56 MOA.

SOCOM selects Geissele

First Shipment
 
Holding off to buy a large frame gasser in 6.5 until this is released. Would be nice to get the MRGG-S with a MRGG-A upper to go along with it. My new Atlas will have to tide me over until then. Hopefully we see it in next year or so but it'll probably be 2-3 years if I had to guess.
 
They are available now, the bad news is that they are $6,500.
Does that come with the suppressor?

Not relevant but if I was prepping one of those kits to go out to a unit I'd have to draw a dick under the top lid foam or slide a gay playing card into a magazine slot. That's how team mates know you really care about them.
 
I have two staccatos lol but no atlas (id love onw). I guess I'm referencing the "large frame" market
I bought an XC and put a steel grip on it bc it "needed" it. In a world where a $4800 gun still needs $1000 put into it a 6500 rifle doesn't seem too bad. $1600 Magnus suppressors, $4500 scopes, $3000 progressive presses, $3200 AR15's. Meh, how many people paid $7000 for an AXMC or $10K for an AXSR? It's up there but not unheard of.
 
I bought an XC and put a steel grip on it bc it "needed" it. In a world where a $4800 gun still needs $1000 put into it a 6500 rifle doesn't seem too bad. $1600 Magnus suppressors, $4500 scopes, $3000 progressive presses, $3200 AR15's. Meh, how many people paid $7000 for an AXMC or $10K for an AXSR? It's up there but not unheard of.
I think the 6500 is a representation of the .gov upcharge
 
I think the 6500 is a representation of the .gov upcharge
For sure. And all those other prices aren't charity donations either. All those companies are charging what the market will bear.

I'm still rocking a $2000 LFAR 308 build and a $3200 LFAR 6.5CM build. You can definitely get it done with less. But if you want the 50 shades of FDE good-good and the new lifted Tremor there's no stopping the money people will pay.
 
I bought an XC and put a steel grip on it bc it "needed" it. In a world where a $4800 gun still needs $1000 put into it a 6500 rifle doesn't seem too bad. $1600 Magnus suppressors, $4500 scopes, $3000 progressive presses, $3200 AR15's. Meh, how many people paid $7000 for an AXMC or $10K for an AXSR? It's up there but not unheard of.

Dont get me started on Staccattos and the never ending search for a Cheely grip for them!

The $6500 for a large frame still hurts my eyes though even coming from the custom 1911 and 2011 world.
 
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To catch people up on the news, Geissele was awarded the contract for the sniper variant. They are currently still competing for the Assaulter variant but it has yet to be awarded. In the video, the mil requirement was 1 MOA. They test every rifle that ships and the first 50 tested an overall average of .56 MOA.

SOCOM selects Geissele

First Shipment
You know this was awarded months ago? Not exactly news.
 
I think the 6500 is a representation of the .gov upcharge

Its law. There is a massive cost in selling to the government. The addendums for compliance alone can drive a product up 25-100% in cost. There is also a ton of support, spares, training, fixtures exct that are includes in the unit price.

$20K may sound like alot for a gun but it includes

The actual product (whole kit)
Additional testing for every sample to ensure it meets specs
Manufacturing Monitoring, documentation and compliance.
Spare parts
Training teams that will be sent out to units to teach them how to run the gun, as well as teach the armorers how to work on them
Could be fixtures or tooling used for depot level maintenance
Direct Support. 24/7 Technical support, anywhere in the world if you have a phone/internet.
Contract Compliance and making sure the 200 addendums the Contracting Officer put in the contract are in compliance. These things all cost money and labor to do.
Profit - Why go through All the above bullshit if you aren't making a nice profit to make it all worth it.

Then there is the pesky little issue you can't sell a product or service for less on the commercial market than you can to the government. So the commercial products get some of the above costs rolled into them, because you arent going to set up a different production line, its just not worth it. Then there is demand. People want the same shit the military is issued, and due to demand from .gov, commercial examples will be very hard to come by. So why sell a gun for $3K so some asshole can sell it for 20K on the secondary market due to demand.

Every fucking time there is a thread about a gov contract product being sold commercially, people bitch and cry about the price. You would think they would understand how this works by now, but i guess not.
 
Dont get me started on Staccattos and the never ending search for a Cheely grip for them!

The $6500 for a large frame still hurts my eyes though even coming from the custom 1911 and 2011 world.
I felt the same way about a $5000 custom 1911 build from Evo Gun works until I put it into perspective of how much we pay for precision rifle shit.
 
For sure. And all those other prices aren't charity donations either. All those companies are charging what the market will bear.

I'm still rocking a $2000 LFAR 308 build and a $3200 LFAR 6.5CM build. You can definitely get it done with less. But if you want the 50 shades of FDE good-good and the new lifted Tremor there's no stopping the money people will pay.
Not even close to the same thing. Like comparing a Camry to a Ferrari. At least educate yourself on the product and its capabilities before making wild assumptions.
 
Shut the fuck up nerd
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That's the only way you interact with Death before dismounting dicks. Straight hate and anger. His plot is to lure you in to an argument for social interaction. He wore anyone on this forum's tolerance for his bullshit....years...ago. Not even recently. These days he chimes into threads and quotes people like they're interacting but they don't even respond to him. He's like the village idiot standing on the corner spouting off random shit at people hustling along their daily lives. They glance at him through the corner of their eye hoping he doesn't think they've made eye contact and try to engage more. He has to settle for that one-sided, BTB verbal ejaculate as social interaction and fullfiment. So your options are to ignore him or just face-shove him like the dweeb he is.
 
That's the only way you interact with Death before dismounting dicks. Straight hate and anger. His plot is to lure you in to an argument for social interaction. He wore anyone on this forum's tolerance for his bullshit....years...ago. Not even recently. These days he chimes into threads and quotes people like they're interacting but they don't even respond to him. He's like the village idiot standing on the corner spouting off random shit at people hustling along their daily lives. They glance at him through the corner of their eye hoping he doesn't think they've made eye contact and try to engage more. He has to settle for that one-sided, BTB verbal ejaculate as social interaction and fullfiment. So your options are to ignore him or just face-shove him like the dweeb he is.
You leave my friend in training alone you bully
 
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How many times do I have to verbally abuse you before you realize that you will have no interaction with me where I don't treat you like rented pussy.
Abuse? Your a pussy cat house bitch. I don't even know who you are or remember you. That's how much I give a fuck about your abuse. Tell us more about how your shitty Kmart guns are comparable to a MRGG.
 
Well we all know who you are. Lower 30 percentile shooter who was a jags assistant in the military and writes " pretty much infantry" on his signature block. Outside of the tough guy persona you try to be on the internet you're a world-class pussy in real life.
Wrong wrong wrong and wrong. Atleast you are consistently wrong. Feel free to come out to a match and drop your nuts. Well see who the pussy is.

Nice thread derail by the way. Talking shit let's you avoid admitting your wrong.
 
I bet you're a pathological liar. That would pair with your shitty personality. I remember you chiming in on ucmj protocol in a discussion citing that you were a jags assistant for a while. Now that's wrong? I bet you're the sad type of loser that just makes shit up half the time.
I never ever said I was a jags assistant rofl. The only person making up shit / pathological liar is you. Maybe get your meds checked, you seem off level.
 
Still waiting for you to explain how your parts guns are comparable to the MRGG.. you have shot a MRGG right? I'll make sure to tell Bill G on Sunday to stop wasting his time... some jerk off can do it better for less than half price.
 
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Still waiting for you to explain how your parts guns are comparable to the MRGG.. you have shot a MRGG right? I'll make sure to tell Bill G on Sunday to stop wasting his time... some jerk off can do it better for less than half price.
You misread my post dipshit. The point I was making was that it did not compare to the MRGG and I'm over here still rocking, gasp, a DI parts gun for cheap. All this was for not. You just jumped the gun with your disrespectful, self-righteous, loud-mouthed attitude that is guaranteed to dry up pussy in any bar. I could have clarified that we would agree on the same thing but no one wants to agree with you bc you're a world class cunt.
 
Dont get me started on Staccattos and the never ending search for a Cheely grip for them!

The $6500 for a large frame still hurts my eyes though even coming from the custom 1911 and 2011 world.
The new Atlas definitely makes the $6500 more palatable but the mrgg will most likely be in the $5500 range from what i'm hearing. It still better shoot half moa and be dead nuts reliable or I'll just get an LMT with a Bartlein barrel. Regardless the custom 2011/1911 game makes expensive guns seem more reasonable but the quality and performance still have to match.
 
The new Atlas definitely makes the $6500 more palatable but the mrgg will most likely be in the $5500 range from what i'm hearing. It still better shoot half moa and be dead nuts reliable or I'll just get an LMT with a Bartlein barrel. Regardless the custom 2011/1911 game makes expensive guns seem more reasonable but the quality and performance still have to match.
The 1911 game is a black hole from which there is no return. I passed the event horizon years ago and haven’t hit rock bottom.

On the other hand, cloning and collecting service weapons is a hell of a drug, and the law demands I get one of these when they eventually trickle out to the civi market. Lol
 
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The 1911 game is a black hole from which there is no return. I passed the event horizon years ago and haven’t hit rock bottom.

On the other hand, cloning and collecting service weapons is a hell of a drug, and the law demands I get one of these when they eventually trickle out to the civi market. Lol
True though its gotten worse over the past few years, like many things.

I remember when a Jason Burton build was $5,000 now its $16,000 and climbing!! LOL and that happened in less than a decade if my memory is correct.
 
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True though its gotten worse over the past few years, like many things.

I remember when a Jason Burton build was $5,000 now it’s $16,000 and climbing!! LOL and that happened in less than a decade if my memory is correct.
The prices have ramped up dramatically for new builds and old customs in the past 4-5 years. Most of the best builders are pushing into 5 figures with 2-3 year wait times.
 
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I like the accuracy and longevity they are getting from their cold hammer forged barrel. But for the money I just wish they would have done the barrel , handguard and upper receiver interface like Ridgeline Defense or Cobalt kinetics does to help pretty much eliminate point of impact shift when using a bipod and also do their gas block attachment method like KAC or Ridgeline Defense does if they could. Also, while you can break anything, has Geissele improved the robustness and rigidity of the rail they are using on this rifle since it first came out as I believe they had some drop test failure issues with it when it was first released.
 
Not even close to the same thing. Like comparing a Camry to a Ferrari. At least educate yourself on the product and its capabilities before making wild assumptions.
No, it is like comparing a Toyota Tacoma to a Toyota Tacoma TRD model that is priced at 3x as much. Are there small improvements? Yes? Are you getting 3x in performance? Likely, in almost all circumstances, no, you are not. A Ferarri is a race car with race car parameters. A Camry is an eminently reliable consumer automobile. The MRGG-S is $2000 worth of parts and a performance (accuracy) requirement upsold for a Government contract. There is very little "proprietary" involved in it, and very little that distinguishes it from many similar offerings, other than SOCOM viewed it as the "most bestest" and in winning said "most bestest" distinction, just like the MRAD or a bunch of other military contract weapon offerings that can also be sold on the civilian market, Geissele earns the right to charge an obscene amount for it, and still have happy customers, when they deign to offer it for sale, in assuredly limited numbers. Much like the FN SCAR-H, LMT MWS, KAC SR25, etc, etc. It is just Geissele's turn. It is a good looking rifle, but it is still a ~$2000 large frame AR.
 
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No, it is like comparing a Toyota Tacoma to a Toyota Tacoma TRD model that is priced at 3x as much. Are there small improvements? Yes? Are you getting 3x in performance? Likely, in almost all circumstances, no, you are not. A Ferarri is a race car with race car parameters. A Camry is an eminently reliable consumer automobile. The MRGG-S is $2000 worth of parts and a performance (accuracy) requirement upsold for a Government contract. There is very little "proprietary" involved in it, and very little that distinguishes it from many similar offerings, other than SOCOM viewed it as the "most bestest" and in winning said "most bestest" distinction, just like the MRAD or a bunch of other military contract weapon offerings that can also be sold on the civilian market, Geissele earns the right to charge an obscene amount for it, and still have happy customers, when they deign to offer it for sale, in assuredly limited numbers. Much like the FN SCAR-H, LMT MWS, KAC SR25, etc, etc. It is just Geissele's turn. It is a good looking rifle, but it is still a ~$2000 large frame AR.

Uh no. Comparing some shitty parts gone slapped together by a chad to a engineered/tested weapon system that has been ran through SOCOM testing, beat all comparable products from proven companies AND does things no other semi auto SWS does from the factory is a massive difference.

Show me Another Chrome lined barrel that has over 6K on the tube and still (if it ever did) holds half moa with FACTORY ammo. The gun was not babied either, it was used as a demo to a bunch of pro shooters who shot the piss out of it, running stages back to back, without it cooling off. Show me another phased gas array that not only changes the entire recoil impulse, making the shoot super soft both with a can and without, but no longer suffers from port erosion the way a legacy barrel would. So now instead of port erosion/gas system issues being the limiting factor when you need to pull a barrel, it will be the actual accuracy degradation and MV loss like a bolt gun.

Oh and that gun with 6K+ on it still holding half MOA, its still going.

There is a ton of a proprietary tech in the gun, so stop showing your ignorance.

Just about everything you state is incorrect. There are people on this site who have tested the MRGG and are testing the small frame version of this gun in a bunch of calibers right now. They can't talk about it for the obvious but you have zero idea what your talking about.

This gun has zero in common with the MRAD or its solicitation. MRAD was a massive compromise to get US military wide adoption so Big army would pay for it instead of SOCOM dollars. This system is being paid for with SOCOM O&M and as such, they are getting exactly what they want.
 
You may not like DBD, but you should reread his post on pricing. He is not far off. when you price a weapon or any other major item for the Military it comes with a whole list of things you have to include in the bid cost. And then because of procurement reforms that say that the government pays what the commercial side pays, the whole "Team Tactical" crowd gets to pay the inflated government cost (sort of, they can deduct certain costs if they want to). AS far $2000worth of parts, that is stupid logic that says the artist (or Smith) has no skills or added value.
 
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