I got pulled over.

[ArmyJerry]

Disarm the police and outlaw the dem and repub parties, elected sheriffs only, no more city or local PD's. Dismantle the federal justice department, make cops susceptible to the same self defense laws as CCP holders and I think that would be a good start. BTW holding the police to teh same laws as CCP holders would go long way toward tamping down the animosity and hatred of the police and I think it would help cops defend themselves and others even more than the corrupt system allows them today.

Erect a barb wire fence and a 1 click wide perimeter mine field around DC no escapes allowed. Actually just use 495 as the perimeter and burn a 20 mile perimeter around it, scorched earth, nuke waste fields, as a start.

Or we could invoke Article 5.

 

[j-huskey]

You want to get to the bottom? It takes a hard look at multiple areas and being open to look at it from another view point. It's no different from what is being not discussed in the Obama legacy thread.
Do the politics play a part?
Do the police own a part?
The media? Joe citizen/society?
What role are each one playing and how to make changes?
This thread has a lot of finger pointing but few ideas for change?

Leadership can start from the bottom... and grow upwards. Many expect leadership to come down from the top and abrogate their responsibility.

At all levels we have a leadership failure, if those in positions of leadership would lead as a servant, not as a political hack lining their pockets, OR riding a power trip, we would see many changes.

If we all choose to demonstrate leadership as recognized by the founding fathers for the common good, we can bring about change.

And that is predicated to holding a standard, that psyops msm has been seen to be destroying.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

So we are going to ask the rank and file to clean house of the trash that is changing into a uniform at the locker next to them. Then work their way up?
How's that working right now in the CIA, NSA, FBI......never mind in little to big city USA?
That blue line is pretty thick. Every douche on the job has friends that will still be there and a good officer will not last after ratting out a scumbag.

Leadership can start from the bottom... and grow upwards. Many expect leadership to come down from the top and abrogate their responsibility.

At all levels we have a leadership failure, if those in positions of leadership would lead as a servant, not as a political hack lining their pockets, OR riding a power trip, we would see many changes.

If we all choose to demonstrate leadership as recognized by the founding fathers for the common good, we can bring about change.

And that is predicated to holding a standard, that psyops msm has been seen to be destroying.

 

[j-huskey]

So we are going to ask the rank and file to clean house of the trash that is changing into a uniform at the locker next to them. Then work their way up?
How's that working right now in the CIA, NSA, FBI......never mind in little to big city USA?
That blue line is pretty thick. Every douche on the job has friends that will still be there and a good officer will not last after ratting out a scumbag.

I lasted 30 years, 7 months, and 4 days. If your balls are big enough and you aren't scared, but your mileage may vary.
Jfwiw, my department was and is an exception to the rules.
And, absolutely no offense intended fucking Yankee, your attitude in the comment you made, is defeatist.
Hell yes, I expect the blues to grow a set of balls and clean up their shit. And as I continue to train and mentor young blues, I don't cut them any slack about that. None....
Sorry, damnyankee, not fuckingyankee ???.

 

[j-huskey]

It might not be working too good in those departments u mention, but, if they grow a set and use them, it can.
U pay attention to Jerry telling blues to clean up their shit..... I tell them the same thing. And Jerry and I aren't the only two telling them to clean up their shit. And neither one of us is going to stop telling them that until we go under the dirt...

 

[ArmyJerry]

Yep

It might not be working too good in those departments u mention, but, if they grow a set and use them, it can.
U pay attention to Jerry telling blues to clean up their shit..... I tell them the same thing. And Jerry and I aren't the only two telling them to clean up their shit. And neither one of us is going to stop telling them that until we go under the dirt...

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

You can go back to the origins of this thread. I suggested that the cop should have just verified that the driver was not drinking and driving then either write a ticket for the signal failure. Look at the wild defenses thrown out to defend the action of the officer.
Doesn't really matter. There are 3 people that night that think this cop is an ass. The birds of a feather deal goes with that.
The public despises interaction with the police for a few simple facts. The main one is $$$$$$money. The second is that most of the people if not all feel that what ever they did was minor. Then they get the 3rd degree by officer Dickbag to see if he can dig deeper into their wallets. The go arrest a real criminal attitude comes to mind.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

One day the rule of law will be out the window. Some who project strength will whine like baby's for their protectors. Others will make as much hay, as time will allow. In the end, reflection will change many things. Perception is not reality, an the only thing stopping many from doing the right thing is their continued belief in a failed system.

 

[fdkay]

Disarm the police and outlaw the dem and repub parties, elected sheriffs only, no more city or local PD's. Dismantle the federal justice department, make cops susceptible to the same self defense laws as CCP holders and I think that would be a good start. BTW holding the police to teh same laws as CCP holders would go long way toward tamping down the animosity and hatred of the police and I think it would help cops defend themselves and others even more than the corrupt system allows them today.

Erect a barb wire fence and a 1 click wide perimeter mine field around DC no escapes allowed. Actually just use 495 as the perimeter and burn a 20 mile perimeter around it, scorched earth, nuke waste fields, as a start.

Or we could invoke Article 5.

Keep in mind, when wishing all your policing is done by the SO. There was more than one deputy waiting outside in Florida while city cops ran past them into the school.

 

[Supersubes]

You can go back to the origins of this thread. I suggested that the cop should have just verified that the driver was not drinking and driving then either write a ticket for the signal failure. Look at the wild defenses thrown out to defend the action of the officer.
Doesn't really matter. There are 3 people that night that think this cop is an ass. The birds of a feather deal goes with that.
The public despises interaction with the police for a few simple facts. The main one is $$$$$$money. The second is that most of the people if not all feel that what ever they did was minor. Then they get the 3rd degree by officer Dickbag to see if he can dig deeper into their wallets. The go arrest a real criminal attitude comes to mind.

You’ve mentioned drinking and driving numerous times throughout this thread. You’re totally ok with that type of investigation, but you draw an imaginary line between the traffic violation/impaired driving, and everything else. Why? You do know what happens after the odor of alcohol is detected, right? We get them out of the car for the investigation. Sometimes, it’s hard to tell who’s been drinking in a car with multiple occupants, so we remove the driver to isolate them. This proceeds like any other investigation, and isn’t very far removed from the Op’s Incident. In this case, the cop took an interest in the minor female passenger. Remember, he actually called this girls parents to verify her whereabouts. Pretty easy to see where his concerns were.

In this case, just like many impaired driver investigations, no crime is found, and no action was taken. Wild defenses...not really. Just routine stuff, even by the officers working under your Chief buddy.

 

[MtnCreek]

Except for counties that are pretty bad and Deputies see a lot of shit.........city cops are typically going call to call to call. Stupid shit after stupid shit, after more stupid shit. So they tend to be a little more blunt and a a bit less diplomatic.

Regardless, they should be polite until given a reason not to be.

I typically speak Southern polite, but do appreciate bluntness when warranted. What I do not appreciate is criminal behavior, especially by those that represent any government. I’ve met more city cops that deserved a bullet to the noggin than I’ve met general trash people that deserve the same.

 

[ArmyJerry]

yeah and he will be voted out if he aint removed before next election, if you have dem and repubs appointing Chiefs they are not serving the citizens they are serving the party.

Keep in mind, when wishing all your policing is done by the SO. There was more than one deputy waiting outside in Florida while city cops ran past them into the school.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

You have not paid attention to the OP or his follow up posts. Or your reading comprehension is lacking.
He was miles away from where he picked up the girls. He was stopped for failing to signal. Nothing was said about or to the girls before he was removed from the vehicle.
Now if the cop used the stop to detect for dui. That was settled within seconds of contact. No alcohol was used or smelled. Yet he removed the driver. Why? Most likely to do a frisk. For drugs or whatever. Putting him in the car is just a cover. Then he goes back to the truck and questions/interrogated/
Investigated the passengers. Why? Crime digging? This is when he finds out the girl is 17. All the other sex trafficking and whatever else is pure bull shit covering for a cop who was Fucking with people/citizen for no other reason than he could and he was trying to upgrade his stop from a signal failure to whatever else he could legally dig up.
I am not drawing an imaginary line. I said that the stop while slim is still legit. If alcohol is smelled. Fine go further. But to pull someone out, frisk them, asking a bunch of legally guided questions and trying to produce a reasonable suspicion to get a vehicle search is bull shit.
And cops wonder why the public distrust them.
If that is too difficult to follow you been on the wrong side of the badge for too long.

You’ve mentioned drinking and driving numerous times throughout this thread. You’re totally ok with that type of investigation, but you draw an imaginary line between the traffic violation/impaired driving, and everything else. Why? You do know what happens after the odor of alcohol is detected, right? We get them out of the car for the investigation. Sometimes, it’s hard to tell who’s been drinking in a car with multiple occupants, so we remove the driver to isolate them. This proceeds like any other investigation, and isn’t very far removed from the Op’s Incident. In this case, the cop took an interest in the minor female passenger. Remember, he actually called this girls parents to verify her whereabouts. Pretty easy to see where his concerns were.

In this case, just like many impaired driver investigations, no crime is found, and no action was taken. Wild defenses...not really. Just routine stuff, even by the officers working under your Chief buddy.

 

[ArmyJerry]

IT used to be and still is okay to have a few beers and drive, just don get drunk and drive, this is the biggest money maker for the judicial industrial complex out there. I think testing and talking on the phone kills more than drinking/drunk driving does now a days. Why not put a device in a car to disable cell signal?

Answer, ATT and other cell companies donate a lot to the two political mafias who do not give a fuck about law, safety, or their constituents, only power and money. The popo are their little helpers with both.

 

[Supersubes]

You have not paid attention to the OP or his follow up posts. Or your reading comprehension is lacking.
He was miles away from where he picked up the girls. He was stopped for failing to signal. Nothing was said about or to the girls before he was removed from the vehicle.
Now if the cop used the stop to detect for dui. That was settled within seconds of contact. No alcohol was used or smelled. Yet he removed the driver. Why? Most likely to do a frisk. For drugs or whatever. Putting him in the car is just a cover. Then he goes back to the truck and questions/interrogated/
Investigated the passengers. Why? Crime digging? This is when he finds out the girl is 17. All the other sex trafficking and whatever else is pure bull shit covering for a cop who was Fucking with people/citizen for no other reason than he could and he was trying to upgrade his stop from a signal failure to whatever else he could legally dig up.
I am not drawing an imaginary line. I said that the stop while slim is still legit. If alcohol is smelled. Fine go further. But to pull someone out, frisk them, asking a bunch of legally guided questions and trying to produce a reasonable suspicion to get a vehicle search is bull shit.
And cops wonder why the public distrust them.
If that is too difficult to follow you been on the wrong side of the badge for too long.

Whole lotta speculation there from someone who’s never done the job, but thinks he knows best. If the stop was simply to pat down the driver and dig, then why go back and talk to the two female passengers? Again, he was doing his diligence, nothing more.

 

[RyanScott]

A lot of what the public thinks comes from a fanatically distorted perception created by msm in the best traditions of psychological warfare, done with intent by a political party intent on turning the world into their utopia.
Too few now know the truth even when it is clearly presented to them.
Case in point, much of this topic. Just sayin...

This is true, but facts don’t matter and never did.

 

[Dthomas3523]

You have not paid attention to the OP or his follow up posts. Or your reading comprehension is lacking.
He was miles away from where he picked up the girls. He was stopped for failing to signal. Nothing was said about or to the girls before he was removed from the vehicle.
Now if the cop used the stop to detect for dui. That was settled within seconds of contact. No alcohol was used or smelled. Yet he removed the driver. Why? Most likely to do a frisk. For drugs or whatever. Putting him in the car is just a cover. Then he goes back to the truck and questions/interrogated/
Investigated the passengers. Why? Crime digging? This is when he finds out the girl is 17. All the other sex trafficking and whatever else is pure bull shit covering for a cop who was Fucking with people/citizen for no other reason than he could and he was trying to upgrade his stop from a signal failure to whatever else he could legally dig up.
I am not drawing an imaginary line. I said that the stop while slim is still legit. If alcohol is smelled. Fine go further. But to pull someone out, frisk them, asking a bunch of legally guided questions and trying to produce a reasonable suspicion to get a vehicle search is bull shit.
And cops wonder why the public distrust them.
If that is too difficult to follow you been on the wrong side of the badge for too long.

You really have no clue man.

Here in Texas, the troopers are trained to have the driver step out of the vehicle immediately. There are several reasons for this.

Frisks don't work for drugs in court. Quit watching tv shows. Frisks are an officer safety/weapons only. The only exception is when you can articulate that you knew immediately and that something could only be drugs or something else illegal. That would be an extremely, extremely tough sell to a judge at a suppression hearing.

Classic case here of not knowing shit and trying to tell someone how to do their job.

What do you do for a living? So I can start telling you a bunch of off the wall shit about how to do your job properly.

 

[500grains]

One day the rule of law will be out the window..

Isn't it already?

We had a fireman locally who was stealing prescription drugs when he was called into a person's house (911 call - Help, I can't get up). After repeated complaints you would think the local PD would get a warrant and search the fireman's house. Nope. They went into the state prescription database and looked at the pain killer scrips the fireman had received. Based on that they charged him with prescription drug fraud. The fireman got the charge dismissed because his private med info was searched without a warrant, then he filed suit and got a significant settlement. I can't remember the settlement, but it was over 100K. And the fireman was dead-ass guilty. However, the local PD did not think warrants mattered.

 

[Dthomas3523]

Isn't it already?

We had a fireman locally who was stealing prescription drugs when he was called into a person's house (911 call - Help, I can't get up). After repeated complaints you would think the local PD would get a warrant and search the fireman's house. Nope. They went into the state prescription database and looked at the pain killer scrips the fireman had received. Based on that they charged him with prescription drug fraud. The fireman got the charge dismissed because his private med info was searched without a warrant, then he filed suit and got a significant settlement. I can't remember the settlement, but it was over 100K. And the fireman was dead-ass guilty. However, the local PD did not think warrants mattered.

You can't get a warrant based on repeated complaints. Repeated complaints would easily be reasonable suspicion to take a look into things. But getting a warrant requires probable cause and in the situation you are describing would be pretty hard unless the firefighter admitted to something when asked.

It's not what you know, its what you can prove.

I know where 20-30 dead ass guilty drug dealers live right now. But, I can't prove it........yet.

And yea, LEOs fuck up sometimes.......absolutely. But you can't have it both ways. The 4th amendment protects criminals too.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Ha, the FBI gets warrants without proof all the time.

 

[500grains]

Judges here LOVE to give warrants. It does not take much. A complaint like this would do it: "I had a bottle of percocet on my counter when that fireman came in, but when he left it was gone. He was the one who took it."

I doubt you work in the same state where I practice.

 

[Dthomas3523]

Judges here LOVE to give warrants. It does not take much. A complaint like this would do it: "I had a bottle of percocet on my counter when that fireman came in, but when he left it was gone. He was the one who took it."

I doubt you work in the same state where I practice.

And by practice.......law or medicine? Because it doesn't sound like law.......at all.

 

[500grains]

Use your wonderful "credentials" to figure it out.

 

[Dthomas3523]

Use your wonderful "credentials" to figure it out.

Thought so. You're full of shit.

Feel free to send me a PM with any valid law degree or certification where you practice as an attorney or certified paralegal and I'll eat my words here in public, anything remotely close to being in a legal/law/leo profession. I'll happily send you over a pic of my credentials, and my almost 18 year resume in LE. Just so we know we can respect each other's professional opinion.

Or you can jabber on about how you just said "practice" and that could mean anything. But I'm betting you just tried to imply something and got caught with your hand in the cookie jar.

 

[Supersubes]

Judges here LOVE to give warrants. It does not take much. A complaint like this would do it: "I had a bottle of percocet on my counter when that fireman came in, but when he left it was gone. He was the one who took it."

I doubt you work in the same state where I practice.

When I show up at a call involving fire, every hose dragger except the engineer is in the house around the victim. Just how specific was this woman's claim? Honest question that you may not know the answer to. Too bad he got away.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

I love it. The standard fall back defense of action. "You are not on the job. You don't know what you're talking about."
You know what? I am not the one people dislike because of the clothes I wear or because of the way my buddies act on the job. You fuckers are. Now you can wake the Fuck up. Clean the shit out of your ears and listen to someone who is telling you why or shut the fuck up and don't bitch like a little girl when people take shots at you. That's you as in police in general.

All your defensive rhetoric just shows that you have missed the point again. Here it is again read it slowly......
The stop was legit. Now write the ticket or give a warning. END OF INTERACTION WITH CITIZEN.
The PROACTIVE POLICING bull shit that routinely follows a stop is what people are sick of.
Defend your actions any way you want. No one Fucking cares. We don't want to hear it because you have missed the point.

 

[deersniper]

How many of these attacks on police aren't attacks on police as a whole, but settling something personal with some little tyrant who likes fucking with people?


Like this one where two cops tried to kill a guy so one of them could get with his girlfriend.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ing-conflict-between-marshal-boys-dad-n461326

 

[fdkay]

yeah and he will be voted out if he aint removed before next election, if you have dem and repubs appointing Chiefs they are not serving the citizens they are serving the party.

But you seem okay with the fact they didn't act, letting 17 people get killed, because, you know, we'll just fire them.

Who hires Chiefs of Police?
The City Council must give their approval.
Who hires the City Council? Oh, that's right. The voters (the city council hires the City Manager, who does the actual hire)
Are Sheriff's affiliated with a political party? Gee, I don't know, but when they are on a ballot, there is either a (D), (R) or (I) next to their name. What the fuck do you think?

I would like to point out a couple of things to the keyboard constitutional scholars and law enforcement experts that have never done the job.
There is a lot of missing information in the original post. We have ONE side of the story.
So, tell me Army. Did the officer receive a BOLO that night at briefing, telling him to be on the lookout for a runaway, that may have matched the description of the 17 year old?
Did the OP act in a suspicious manner on the stop?
Did he give an answer to a simple question that didn't make sense?
Did one of the passengers give an answer that didn't make sense?

You don't know, do you?
By the sounds of it, the officer was courteous and professional, which leads me to believe that he likely would have explained the reason for his actions, which are, of course absent.

Of course, the other side of the coin is this: Was the officer just being a dick? Does he have a beef with the OP? (don't know, but I'm certain he would have mentioned it).
Again, we don't know. But it has been PROVEN that pro-active policing prevents crime. Pro-active policing also nets arrests on outstanding warrants.

Duties of a Peace Officer: (not complete) This is from the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure.

The officer shall:

(1) in every case authorized by the provisions of this Code, interfere without warrant to prevent or suppress crime;

(2) execute all lawful process issued to the officer by any magistrate or court;

(3) give notice to some magistrate of all offenses committed within the officer's jurisdiction, where the officer has good reason to believe there has been a violation of the penal law; and

(4) arrest offenders without warrant in every case where the officer is authorized by law, in order that they may be taken before the proper magistrate or court and be tried.

(c) It is the duty of every officer to take possession of a child under Article 63.009(g).

 

[ArmyJerry]

no I am not, but that was apparent in the thread about the subject at the time.

 

[fdkay]

no I am not, but that was apparent in the thread about the subject at the time.

But that's the type of law enforcement you are advocating for.
I was actually editing that remark when you replied.

 

[ArmyJerry]

well like i said lets see what the people of broward do with that shihead israel. If tehy vote him in, that would be darwin at work.

 

[QuickNDirty]

well like i said lets see what the people of broward do with that shihead israel. If tehy vote him in, that would be darwin at work.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/04/20/us/broward-sheriff-scott-israel-no-confidence-vote/index.html

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

I am on my way home from the VA hospital. It's a 80 mile drive. 25 miles from home I am stopped for doing 55 in a 45 zone. I am driving a black camaro. Officer "Do you know why I stopped you?" Me "No". Officer "where are you going?" Me "Home." Officer "Do you have anything in the vehicle that I should know about?" Me "Anything in this vehicle is my personal property and none of your business." Officer "where are you coming from?" Me "what is with all the questions and why did you stop me?" Officer "You were going 55 mph in a 45 zone." Me "then write the ticket or let me be on my way." Officer "Do you have anything in the vehicle that I should know about?" Me "Are you going to write a ticket or what?" She then took my papers and went back to her car. Several minutes later she came back with my tax.
Being I had just been given pain meds. They could have had a dog alert on my vehicle. Then spend however much time pulling my car apart to find nothing. Now when I got home my daughter asked to use that car. What if she went through the same thing a few miles from home?

Now you say that proactive policing prevents crime and nets arrests on outstanding warrants.
If you check my license, insurance and registration will you not find the warrants? Playing all the 3rd degree games is not necessary.
Maybe you can explain how you can prevent a future crime?
You are perceived as a hammer treating everyone else as a nail. So maybe you can come up with some numbers to back your position. Out of every 100 stops for minor traffic violations do you nab Jack the Ripper? How about for every one you nab for an outstanding warrant. How many are back on the streets in hours?

 

[fdkay]

I am on my way home from the VA hospital. It's a 80 mile drive. 25 miles from home I am stopped for doing 55 in a 45 zone. I am driving a black camaro. Officer "Do you know why I stopped you?" Me "No". Officer "where are you going?" Me "Home." Officer "Do you have anything in the vehicle that I should know about?" Me "Anything in this vehicle is my personal property and none of your business." Officer "where are you coming from?" Me "what is with all the questions and why did you stop me?" Officer "You were going 55 mph in a 45 zone." Me "then write the ticket or let me be on my way." Officer "Do you have anything in the vehicle that I should know about?" Me "Are you going to write a ticket or what?" She then took my papers and went back to her car. Several minutes later she came back with my tax.
Being I had just been given pain meds. They could have had a dog alert on my vehicle. Then spend however much time pulling my car apart to find nothing. Now when I got home my daughter asked to use that car. What if she went through the same thing a few miles from home?

Now you say that proactive policing prevents crime and nets arrests on outstanding warrants.
If you check my license, insurance and registration will you not find the warrants? Playing all the 3rd degree games is not necessary.
Maybe you can explain how you can prevent a future crime?
You are perceived as a hammer treating everyone else as a nail. So maybe you can come up with some numbers to back your position. Out of every 100 stops for minor traffic violations do you nab Jack the Ripper? How about for every one you nab for an outstanding warrant. How many are back on the streets in hours?

Stats don't lie. All you have to do is look at the results in New York when giuliani became mayor.
I can say, you likely got your "tax" because you were a dick.
You were speeding, you got stopped. She asked some follow up questions, which of course, is your right to not say anything. It is HOW you don't answer the questions, but you DARED her to write the citation and you got one.
You wonder how it prevents crime?
A simple look at Terry Vs Ohio gives you exactly that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_v._Ohio

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

I have no problem or complaints about the ticket or I would have said so. I did it and accept that. Done deal.
This is where you/police go off track. You say that I was being a dick. If I don't answer or that I do answer gives you the "probable cause/reasonable suspicion" to do whatever the fuck you want. So maybe she decided that I pissed in her cereal and plays tough cop. Get out and go through the pat down and put in the cruiser while she gets a couple other officers to search my car.
So maybe you can put out a video on how to act like a good little subject of the state when stopped for a minor infraction.

BTW I think Terry V Ohio is total BS. Yeah I agree that it worked cleaning up NYC. I don't care if the SCOTUS was OK with it. It's Gestapo bull shit. Officers can use their BS "reasonable suspicion/probable cause" to cover any action.

Stats don't lie. All you have to do is look at the results in New York when giuliani became mayor.
I can say, you likely got your "tax" because you were a dick.
You were speeding, you got stopped. She asked some follow up questions, which of course, is your right to not say anything. It is HOW you don't answer the questions, but you DARED her to write the citation and you got one.
You wonder how it prevents crime?
A simple look at Terry Vs Ohio gives you exactly that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_v._Ohio

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Oh yeah. You forgot about ratio of those warrants you served for failing to signal and how many were back to the streets within hours.

 

[fdkay]

I have no problem or complaints about the ticket or I would have said so. I did it and accept that. Done deal.
This is where you/police go off track. You say that I was being a dick. If I don't answer or that I do answer gives you the "probable cause/reasonable suspicion" to do whatever the fuck you want. So maybe she decided that I pissed in her cereal and plays tough cop. Get out and go through the pat down and put in the cruiser while she gets a couple other officers to search my car.
So maybe you can put out a video on how to act like a good little subject of the state when stopped for a minor infraction.

BTW I think Terry V Ohio is total BS. Yeah I agree that it worked cleaning up NYC. I don't care if the SCOTUS was OK with it. It's Gestapo bull shit. Officers can use their BS "reasonable suspicion/probable cause" to cover any action.

Wow.
I can see you either intentionally fail to comprehend, or that you are so emotionally invested in your anti-cop hatred you can't see the other side.
My point was, you have EVERY right to decline to answer the questions and that you LIKELY got the ticket because you are an asshole.
"I'd rather not answer" is a fine answer, letting the cop know you don't want to talk without being rude.
Terry V Ohio is a classic example of good, pro-active policing. He saw something suspicious and investigated, preventing a major crime.
News Flash: that is what cops are paid to do. Protect folks from crime.

 

[fdkay]

Oh yeah. You forgot about ratio of those warrants you served for failing to signal and how many were back to the streets within hours.

Well, for one, I don't know. But I know for a fact, that I have arrested plenty of folks on warrants during a traffic stop.
By the way, it is unlikely that anyone was out "hours" after being arrested on a warrant for anything higher than a class "c" misdemeanor.
They all had to be processed in our jail, then transported to the county jail (which is typically the next day, not always), processed into that facility, then bonded out.
Maybe you want to rewrite the constitution so that an accused does not have the option to post bail? Because that's what it sounds like.
Besides, law enforcement has NO control over bail, detention or sentencing.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Wow.
I can see you either intentionally fail to comprehend, or that you are so emotionally invested in your anti-cop hatred you can't see the other side.
My point was, you have EVERY right to decline to answer the questions and that you LIKELY got the ticket because you are an asshole.
"I'd rather not answer" is a fine answer, letting the cop know you don't want to talk without being rude.
Terry V Ohio is a classic example of good, pro-active policing. He saw something suspicious and investigated, preventing a major crime.
News Flash: that is what cops are paid to do. Protect folks from crime.

You say that I have every right to decline to answer. Yet because of the way I answered I am a dick or an asshole and a cop hater. The standard responses. The whole probable cause/reasonable suspicion is totally subjective and allows an officer plenty of leeway to do as he pleases.
BTW in this instance you are right. I probably did get the ticket because she was questioning me like a criminal and I could give a shit about a simple ticket. I have been pulled over and been treated pretty good and had a great interaction with officers. Some gave me a ticket and others gave a warning. But no complaints either way. You get what you serve. Does that make sense?

As for your "News Flash" that's not what the SCOTUS has ruled. You have no legal responsibility to do so.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Well, for one, I don't know. But I know for a fact, that I have arrested plenty of folks on warrants during a traffic stop.

Did these people outright admit they had a warrant or did you discover when you ran their license? You are the one initiating contact. You decide how the interaction begins. If you start out with firing questions. The person is going to be defensive. They are already not happy about being "Caught" to start with. I used that term because most all know they were fucking up to begin with.
You want to school me how to respond to not be considered a dick/asshole. Have you ever wondered about the way you or your fellow officers start your conversation with Joe Citizen? Yeah I didn't think so.

 

[fdkay]

You say that I have every right to decline to answer. Yet because of the way I answered I am a dick or an asshole and a cop hater. The standard responses. The whole probable cause/reasonable suspicion is totally subjective and allows an officer plenty of leeway to do as he pleases.
BTW in this instance you are right. I probably did get the ticket because she was questioning me like a criminal and I could give a shit about a simple ticket. I have been pulled over and been treated pretty good and had a great interaction with officers. Some gave me a ticket and others gave a warning. But no complaints either way. You get what you serve. Does that make sense?

As for your "News Flash" that's not what the SCOTUS has ruled. You have no legal responsibility to do so.

You are wrong.
SCOTUS ruled the police have no responsibility to an individual, we have a responsibility to the community.
See my previous post where I posted the Texas Code of Criminal procedure.
Again, you acted like a dick. Just decline to answer the questions and let it go.
Are you that fucking dense that you can't see the difference between either silence or "I'd rather not answer" and "none of your business, now write me a ticket"?

 

[fdkay]

Did these people outright admit they had a warrant or did you discover when you ran their license? You are the one initiating contact. You decide how the interaction begins. If you start out with firing questions. The person is going to be defensive. They are already not happy about being "Caught" to start with. I used that term because most all know they were fucking up to begin with.
You want to school me how to respond to not be considered a dick/asshole. Have you ever wondered about the way you or your fellow officers start your conversation with Joe Citizen? Yeah I didn't think so.

Yeah, I know exactly how I interact with the citizens.
I introduce my self and the agency I work for.
I tell them the reason for the stop.
If they are speeding, I ask if there is a reason for the excessive speed.
I get their information, if they produce and I run them.
I normally decide before I make my approach whether they are going to get a ticket or a warning.
Everything else falls on the violator.
Act like a dick, you get a ticket for the infraction. Nothing made up, no bullshit. I'm doing my job.
Give me a reasonable excuse, I might let it go with a warning (hint: if you are 10 0r over and you say it's because you have to piss, that doesn't work).

Isn't it odd that many folks that have warrants, don't produce their drivers license. They give you a name and date of birth, or they give you a number they have memorized. Then you have to figure out who they are.
Guess what: you do that by asking questions.

 

[Dthomas3523]

I love it. The standard fall back defense of action. "You are not on the job. You don't know what you're talking about."
You know what? I am not the one people dislike because of the clothes I wear or because of the way my buddies act on the job. You fuckers are. Now you can wake the Fuck up. Clean the shit out of your ears and listen to someone who is telling you why or shut the fuck up and don't bitch like a little girl when people take shots at you. That's you as in police in general.

All your defensive rhetoric just shows that you have missed the point again. Here it is again read it slowly......
The stop was legit. Now write the ticket or give a warning. END OF INTERACTION WITH CITIZEN.
The PROACTIVE POLICING bull shit that routinely follows a stop is what people are sick of.
Defend your actions any way you want. No one Fucking cares. We don't want to hear it because you have missed the point.

Not how it ever worked, works now, or will work in the future. Get mad all you want.

 

[CrazyHorse_mk14]

I like showing my hardware off to the law!

Lawman-“You got anything in the car I need to know about”

Me- how much time you got?

Had a deputy really confused on how to unload a black powder revolver, told him he could render it safe by pulling the caps but if he really wanted it empty he’d have to shoot it. 6 shots later when the smoke cleared he was grinning ear to ear and had a good ol historic Texas Ranger moment. Cool guy even tho he didn’t know at first the differences between a pre 1899/replica BP and a cartridge revolver,I feel he does now.. He prolly got a good story to tell his buddies too.

 

[Dthomas3523]

I like showing my hardware off to the law!

Lawman-“You got anything in the car I need to know about”

Me- how much time you got?

Had a deputy really confused on how to unload a black powder revolver, told him he could render it safe by pulling the caps but if he really wanted it empty he’d have to shoot it. 6 shots later when the smoke cleared he was grinning ear to ear and had a good ol historic Texas Ranger moment. Cool guy even tho he didn’t know at first the differences between a pre 1899/replica BP and a cartridge revolver,I feel he does now.. He prolly got a good story to tell his buddies too.

Its amazing how cool cops are when you are cool with them isn't it??

 

[CrazyHorse_mk14]

I have a good understanding of what their days like, and considering how many dirtbag assholes they deal with, if I can make one have a good stop I do my part. Now I have had some real assholes but they’re few and far in between and the close knit small community usually gets those guys gone quick.

 

[CrazyHorse_mk14]

This is one cool cop

IMO the Oc guys could’ve been less douchey and took him up on the offer sooner but hey.

 

[deersniper]

You are definitely a guy that says how high when a cop says Jump
Badge bunny fo sho

 

[1J04]

in·fe·ri·or·i·ty com·plex
noun

1. an unrealistic feeling of general inadequacy caused by actual or supposed inferiority in one sphere, sometimes marked by aggressive behavior in compensation.

Just say'n.

 

[CrazyHorse_mk14]

And 11pages of bullshit! What whaaat!

If you knew me personally you would never consider me a badge bunny . I’m about as pure outlaw as non felonious outlaw could get.

My family is divided between cops and fireman. I understand public service, unlike some of you mofos