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Looks like an AND HR250AZA simple keypad would be nice. What modem scale is that? I can't make it out
Almost sounds like a solenoid running a gate on the bulk drop and letting gravity do the work for the bulk charge...
I'm guessing he didn't show the back of the bulk dropper in this early video on purpose.
I like what I'm seeing though...
A simple keypad would be nice. What modem scale is that? I can't make it out
I just talked to Paul. He said things are coming along nicely, just tweaking the electronics still.
He said he's still a little far out to being giving pricing out yet but hoping for early fall release..
Here a sneak peak of the all in one setup running..
I just talked to Paul. He said things are coming along nicely, just tweaking the electronics still.
He said he's still a little far out to being giving pricing out yet but hoping for early fall release..
Here a sneak peak of the all in one setup running..
I have owned my IP trickier for just over 6 months now and have used it a lot.
It has no keypad but works with the Autothrow App on my iPhone perfectly.
It was very easy to set up and I had it functional inside 30 minutes right out of the box. I already had a V3 and trickier running off a FX120 but was disappointed in the trickle time. With some powders it was constantly getting backed up in the tube. The IP is much faster and much more accurate than what I had before and I think a great addition to my V3. I feel no need to even look at a VF4 now.
Things quiet, I like it.
I have not had a chance to use my IG yet. I am going to have to manually throw for now.I finally got my V4 after a long wait maybe a month or so after getting my IG....never even opened the V4 I was so happy with the IG and sold it.
The IG auto throw is very much needed because Adam isn't selling v3 autothrows anymore. To get one you need to buy 1 second hand or throw charges manually...
The IP us very easy to do everything with. It's simple and works very well. I also just sold me v4 without even checking it out because of the IPI have not had a chance to use my IG yet. I am going to have to manually throw for now.
Is the slider easy to find a sweet spot with? I know it says needs to be adjusted for different powder types in the manual.
I have not had a chance to use my IG yet. I am going to have to manually throw for now.
Is the slider easy to find a sweet spot with? I know it says needs to be adjusted for different powder types in the manual.
I just talked to Paul. He said things are coming along nicely, just tweaking the electronics still.
He said he's still a little far out to being giving pricing out yet but hoping for early fall release..
Here a sneak peak of the all in one setup running..
I cannot tell from the teaser video - will it use the same Ingenuity Precision trickler, or is that part going to be new, too?
What I mean is - I can't really wait to start handloading until fall. If I buy the IP trickler now, will it upgrade to his all in one system later, or will the IP be obsolete?
Paul actually told me how to make the V3 thrower a little less noisy. Rapping some teflon tape around the thread of the adjustment bolt. It dampers vibrations. Great tip, it works for me. Thanks Paul.Funny you say that...was 1 of the things Paul mentioned when I was talking to him last time. That the autotrickler products are loud and his will.not be...
I'll do this! As I'm getting some set point drift on the thread adjustment rod caused by the vibrations.Paul actually told me how to make the V3 thrower a little less noisy. Rapping some teflon tape around the thread of the adjustment bolt. It dampers vibrations. Great tip, it works for me. Thanks Paul.
I just talked to Paul. He said things are coming along nicely, just tweaking the electronics still.
He said he's still a little far out to being giving pricing out yet but hoping for early fall release..
Here a sneak peak of the all in one setup running..
Here is a vid of the complete new system. I think we are ditching the keypad for a large touch screen to make things easier to access as we keep adding more options . What do you guys think?
All of it will be backward compatible with the powder meter. You can use your old side stand or like this. Trying to make it work with several different scales for different overall price points so the user can decide what fits their needs. Paul
Lol, not yet!Take my money now
Any idea on the timeframe? Also, how accurate is the initial dump? If it's pretty accurate it would be neat to adapt to progressive press.Lol, not yet!
Its going to expand usability to pistol shooters all the way to ELR guys. It will throw all the way down to several gr. with +/- .1gr precision or better by just the dumper in less than 1/10th of a second or dump way over 100gr in a second. The biggest thing is that it will just do what it needs to do out of the box with very little tweaking , just as 1000's of customers can attest that the powder meter does!
Hook this up to a Dillon 750/1100 and it would be an ultimate winner. Kind of like how people are using the Prometheus.Lol, not yet!
Its going to expand usability to pistol shooters all the way to ELR guys. It will throw all the way down to several gr. with +/- .1gr precision or better by just the dumper in less than 1/10th of a second or dump way over 100gr in a second. The biggest thing is that it will just do what it needs to do out of the box with very little tweaking , just as 1000's of customers can attest that the powder meter does!
Hoping for fall release it everything comes together. Dump accuracy depends on powder and amount, anywhere from +/-sub 1/10thgr to +/-.5gr. Just depends on if your trying to dump 3gr of ball pistol powder or 170gr of N570.Any idea on the timeframe? Also, how accurate is the initial dump? If it's pretty accurate it would be neat to adapt to progressive press.
I'd be more than happy with .1 gr with ball and .2 gr with xbr sized extruded. Very interestingHoping for fall release it everything comes together. Dump accuracy depends on powder and amount, anywhere from +/-sub 1/10thgr to +/-.5gr. Just depends on if your trying to dump 3gr of ball pistol powder or 170gr of N570.
No one is expecting to use a budget load cell. I don't know why that was even mentioned? At a minimum, everyone here who owns a IP or multiple IPs, uses a fx120.These things only work well with magnetic restoration balances. Those are not cheap. The FX120 of the cheapest that I know of that gives a digital output.
So if you expect to get one using a budget load cell scale, prepare to be disappointed.
You would be wrong. Creedmoor scale has better screen resolution .01gr and still accurate enough to show a single kernel for a much lower price point. The tradeoff will be time to complete each charge. Refresh rate is much slower, but for the difference in price its a very acceptable trade off that will fit some users needs.These things only work well with magnetic restoration balances. Those are not cheap. The FX120 of the cheapest that I know of that gives a digital output.
So if you expect to get one using a budget load cell scale, prepare to be disappointed.
Here is a vid of the complete new system. I think we are ditching the keypad for a large touch screen to make things easier to access as we keep adding more options . What do you guys think?
All of it will be backward compatible with the powder meter. You can use your old side stand or like this. Trying to make it work with several different scales for different overall price points so the user can decide what fits their needs. Paul
Your pretty much on the right track. It does a calibration of the dumper and disk at the very beginning one time and stores it for said powder. The key has always been the powder disk system. Its not to hard to program to get fast consistent results when the mechanical side of things is solidly engineered. This is where others fail. We have already hit a wall with the scale 20hz refresh speed. It actually takes wayyy longer than that for it to stabilize. If it had 120hz or something refresh and stable faster I could dump and finish in about 3 sec.I agree on the touchscreen. Even though the keypad and small display appears to work just great and often “less is more” a touchscreen would allow more UI improvements/changes/features down the road with software updates.
Regarding the video… I like what I’m seeing with your trickler programming methodology, at least how I think you may be programming it based on the video.
Adam has a ramp down rate which gradually slows the trickler down as the weight approaches to the target weight, and sometimes the trickling speed bounces between fast and slow or gets stuck on slow as it’s always polling a moving and non-stabilized scale weight. On your video above it appears you are taking the stabilized weight after the bulk drop, then doing a momentary pulse on the trickler and waiting for the scale to stabilize again after that trickler pulse, then possibly using that stabilized weight reading to calculate how many grains per degree / notches of trickler wheel rotation that the trickler dispensed on that initial trickler pulse, then you’re pulsing the trickler a second time using that calculated degrees/notches per grain calculation to pulse the trickler a second time for a precise amount of rotation to hit the final target weight without going into a long cycle of extremely slow trickler rotation to slowly hit the target weight as the autotrickler does.
While the video only shows 2 cycles the trickler behavior certainly seems to avoid some of the issues where Adam’s autotrickler either bounces back and forth between a faster and slower final trickling speed when the scale isn’t fully stabilized, or it gets stuck on the slowest speed for longer than necessary. Your method of hitting the trickler with a pulse and then waiting for that initial stabile weight reading to get fed back to the controller before the second pulse also self-corrects for the drop time of the powder from the trickler to the cup.
Of course, I could be totally wrong on your programming approach, but whatever you're doing appears to be working great.
I think this may finally be the dispenser that gets me to finally retire my old Autotrickler V1 with custom programming linked to a high speed servo driven Harrell’s bulk drop and an IP final trickler. Adam’s V2, V3, and V4 weren’t good enough to make me update my setup, and I don’t care for all the fussing around needed with the supertrickler nor do I like it’s vibratory final stage which will never be as consistent as the notched wheel IP trickler. My current “science project” setup has worked great for years, but I really like what I’m seeing here.
My only other observation is if you go with a touchscreen, don't go adding all kinds of extra tweaking parameters and options just because you can with the touchscreen interface. Maybe bury them in an advanced menu for people who can't leave anything alone, but the simpler the better-- if it runs out of the box without having to do lots of tweaking or learning you'll have very happy customers.
exactamendo!So the “new” unit we’ll call it, will be a complete standalone without reliance on any AutoTrickler parts if I’m understanding correctly?
I get that the powder meter and scale will still be separate/required.
Your pretty much on the right track. It does a calibration of the dumper and disk at the very beginning one time and stores it for said powder. The key has always been the powder disk system. Its not to hard to program to get fast consistent results when the mechanical side of things is solidly engineered. This is where others fail. We have already hit a wall with the scale 20hz refresh speed. It actually takes wayyy longer than that for it to stabilize. If it had 120hz or something refresh and stable faster I could dump and finish in about 3 sec.
Everything will be backwards compatible and sold al a carte for folks that already have the powder meterI cannot tell from the teaser video - will it use the same Ingenuity Precision trickler, or is that part going to be new, too?
What I mean is - I can't really wait to start handloading until fall. If I buy the IP trickler now, will it upgrade to his all in one system later, or will the IP be obsolete?
Do we still need to buy motor, power supply or other pats from Adam?Everything will be backwards compatible and sold al a carte for folks that already have the powder meter
noDo we still need to buy motor, power supply or other pats from Adam?
So . . . what you're saying is you'll sell me one now if I only want it to work for 6GT?Lol, not yet!
Its going to expand usability to pistol shooters all the way to ELR guys. It will throw all the way down to several gr. with +/- .1gr precision or better by just the dumper in less than 1/10th of a second or dump way over 100gr in a second. The biggest thing is that it will just do what it needs to do out of the box with very little tweaking , just as 1000's of customers can attest that the powder meter does!
So the “new” unit we’ll call it, will be a complete standalone without reliance on any AutoTrickler parts if I’m understanding correctly?
I get that the powder meter and scale will still be separate/required.
exactamendo!
It will from my conversation with Paul a few weeks ago....he said he was also making compatibility with the Creedmoor Sports reloading scale as well.. cheaper, purpose built for reloading in grains not conversion from grams to grains....
No one is expecting to use a budget load cell. I don't know why that was even mentioned?
Trying to make it work with several different scales for different overall price points so the user can decide what fits their needs. Paul
Time to start managing expectations. Up until your reply to my post there has been no mention of things slowing down when using the Creedmoor or any other scale.The tradeoff will be time to complete each charge. Refresh rate is much slower, but for the difference in price its a very acceptable trade off
If you want to run the powder meter now as it sold, then yes you will need electronics and cables from Adam. Motors I haveDo we still need to buy motor, power supply or other pats from Adam?
As is why its being made to work with several scales. You choose how fast you need it by which scale you buy. What's not to understand?Time to start managing expectations. Up until your reply to my post there has been no mention of things slowing down when using the Creedmoor or any other scale.
Your most vocal supporters want V3 throwing speed or faster. If not informed beforehand that the throwing speed will change depending on scale used, you will have a number of disappointed clients.
I went the AT route not because it throws to 0.02gr, but because it throws faster than I can seat bullets. Slowing things down is a deal breaker for me even if it is cheaper.
Ingenuity Precision Powder MeterArgh! I hate being the guy in the thread who asks the stupid questions, but here goes. I know what a scale is. What is the powder meter that I will have to buy separately?
I see the scale in the video.
What powder meter is in the video if I wanted to duplicate the results I am seeing? In post #298 I see a big glass tower with stick powder in it, and it dumps powder into the cup then stops before the little trickler goes to work finishing up the dispensing to the accurate final number.
I am assuming this is the powder meter, but when I reach "Powder Meter" online I do not see anything like that. I assume it needs to be something special to work with this setup, otherwise I might as well dispense the powder by hand and then follow up with the auto trickler like CK 1.0 is doing in post # 257.
Time to start managing expectations. Up until your reply to my post there has been no mention of things slowing down when using the Creedmoor or any other scale.
Your most vocal supporters want V3 throwing speed or faster. If not informed beforehand that the throwing speed will change depending on scale used, you will have a number of disappointed clients.
I went the AT route not because it throws to 0.02gr, but because it throws faster than I can seat bullets. Slowing things down is a deal breaker for me even if it is cheaper.
My IP throws in half the time the AT did and it never overthrows. Even with a slower scale it’ll probably be faster.Time to start managing expectations. Up until your reply to my post there has been no mention of things slowing down when using the Creedmoor or any other scale.
Your most vocal supporters want V3 throwing speed or faster. If not informed beforehand that the throwing speed will change depending on scale used, you will have a number of disappointed clients.
I went the AT route not because it throws to 0.02gr, but because it throws faster than I can seat bullets. Slowing things down is a deal breaker for me even if it is cheaper.
I let the customer decide what works for them. What other systems do you know do that?
Oh, you are just talking about this?Ingenuity Precision Powder Meter