They want to detract from the argument, change the subject, and get you to agree that in some instances it is ok. Once you concede it is ok in rare instances, it isn't a large leap to universalize the immoral act.
You know who's a horrible person? One who passes judgment on another based solely on their own inflexible, non-universal beliefs. Probably something about that in the Bible, but it's been edited so many times by clergy with their own agenda, who knows what's original?
You wanted to murder your baby and saw it as a good thing. You don't have to be Christian to see that as immoral.
Is this topic welcome on here? I don’t know because I’m new to the forum but my own belief is there’s always adoption for unplanned children who aren’t welcome to stay with their parents. Lots of couples have too hard of a time conceiving and would jump at the chance to raise these children. Maybe an answer is lowering the financial standards and costs states attach to adoption and see if more people choose to let them babies live. I believe abortion is wrong because that’s human life and killing that life is a premeditated act. I also believe that we have long known the alternatives to making babies is abstinance. It’s no fun but it comes without strings attached.
Your point is you believe abortion is ok, perhaps to be celebrated, and those that disagree with you are crazy?
I have noticed those that believe "my body my choice" and "I shouldn't be burdened with an unwanted pregnancy" are the same that believe in unrestricted spending and end up in credit card debt, student loan debt, etc and want the rest of society to bail them out.
You may not like it but the “right” to murder one’s offspring is not listed anywhere in the US Constitution. It was fabricated by a liberal judge from the bench with nothing to substantiate it. In fact the US Constitution says “nobody shall be deprived of LIFE, liberty or property without due process of court”. Also, carrying babies to term is not a life threatening undertaking in the developed world, especially the United States so the killing of those babies isn’t defensive, it’s premeti murder. Planned Parenthood keeps and reports records of age groups, reasons given and the like for elective abortions and they have yet to report even a single percent as rape babies. I guess those women have bigger hearts than PP’s customers who all list convenience as their motive. I know you don’t like my position but you post yours in any forum you will get to read opinions that you don’t like.
Couldn’t agree more. I have read little about AI cases/chambers and have no personal experience with them to formulate an opinion from. I enjoy shooting 30-30. A simple cartridge that’s well suited to the thick woods here in Tennessee and I think highly of it. I like it in Marlin 336 and in Winchester 94 but the 336 is my personal preference even though I’ll shoot both all day long. How about you, what’s your preferred hunting cartridge where you hunt? Or range cartridge if you don’t hunt.
Let’s talk about leverguns instead. As much soap opera but better reading. I know people who raised children and selected same sex life partners and I have studied the topic for collegiate reasons and I believe it’s best to live in accordance with God’s laws for oneself but more importantly for the children being brought into the household. Children need both genders, 2 distinct parents of opposite gender. Children can grow up and adjust to society fine but they have a better foundation in a traditional environment. I don’t think homosexuals need to be banned from parenting instead I think society should migrate back to God. His way produced the Greatest Generations America and the world has ever seen.
Abstinence is not a viable option, you are literally trying to go against the foundational drive in your DNA and your basic design parameters.
FWIW, I have no particular attachment to gay adoption, but if the answer to abortion is more adoption and easier adoption laws, then looking at a population that cannot organically reproduce is pretty rational. I don't fault your argument, or even disagree with you, but I think the real question isn't what is optimal for kids, but what is better for them, since we all agree that these cases are likely.
Jesus, can you read? Don't think for a minute my issue with you has to do with abortion. My point was that you're supposed to be a Christian, but are acting in an way that is contrary to your supposed beliefs. Granted, you're no different than most I've encountered; total lack of tolerance and quick to judge others. One the main reasons I left the church.
And here you are telling me who I'm supposed to be? And you misinterpret the point you're trying to make. I find it strange indeed that you want acceptance for stating you wanted to murder your child.
You must be a legend in your mind. I'm not the one that brought it up, yet I did correct the "thou shalt not kill" presumption. However, you're WRONG even in the assumption that facilitating others' murder their children is somehow moral. As a society, we should not facilitate, finance, or allow murdering of children.
No, you're claiming to be a Christian and I'm saying you're not acting like one. And you presume to know my point better than I do. Beng a holier than thou ass hat and dumb at the same time just isn't a good look.
You really suck at this debate thing, don't you? So you'd have others excuse and accept all deviant behavior or be considered "holier than thou"? That is a cop-out. You can't defend your position on your own merits, therefore you misinterpret Biblical passages and assign it on others. Make it about ME and not the argument. You lose.
I've been an advocate of teaching abstinence as the only full-proof method, but also providing education and the tools to avoid pregnancy. For pete's sake, any girl/woman can afford $5/month for contraceptives from Walmart.
Well, it isn't much of a debate when one party unconditionally condemns the other for not subscribing to their set of beliefs, now is it?
i am constantly reminded by atheists that morality is not bound to religion, even though they have no idea what it might be like to live in a society without any religious foundations.
You don't get a pass because you've misinterpreted the Bible.
i can't argue with any of that except to perhaps that suggest that people's "morals" are subject to whether they impact them financially or materially.
yeah, and instead our own government incentivizes single parent households by offering greater monetary entitlements for households that are missing the biological father.
You are correct that any nonviolent home is better than abortion. I won’t disagree there. I think the question was where do you stand on gay adoption. I’m not picking on gays for being gay. I also think it’s better to live with your parents who over indulge sometimes provided they’re not getting violent or abusive. I personally would prefer more relaxed and even free adoption over abortion, everybody wins. Irresponsible people don’t have to parent, people who want kids get them and the children live.
Your perception of all Christians as “intolerant and judgie” shows your experience around the church is minimal. Perhaps you say things without thinking them through when you’re mad. I don’t know what you originally said but you didn’t show any Christianity in your reply. If you don’t share the same opinion with them then accept that you’re on a public forum and agree to disagree.
Something I considered a page back or better.
Are you saying your solution is to allow abortion so there is less abortion?
At the end of the day, what you post in a motivational picture thread does not take another human being's life.
i think condoms being effective 85% of the time just means 15% of us are fucktards that can't use one properly.
You're taking a purely idealized stance on this, and not taking into account any realities. I'm saying abortions reduce other societal issues such as need for welfare, crime, and the mental torture that is foster care and adoption system. Yes abortions also reduce the need for further abortions.
