It sounds like you don't want those people having off-spring. So abortion should be good
Is abortion ok
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I have to agree it’s about whether it’s moral to murder anybody. It’s not the woman’s body or she would be dead. All scientists agree that from conception on you’re a growing human. Not a labradoodle or snapping turtle so no benefit to calling them “its” aside from emotional detachment. Why not call it what it is, infanticide. Murdering baby humans. And there’s NOTHING wrong with the Bible, God hasn’t changed his mind yet so His Word still reigns. Also, what do you have against anyone willing to go to the manufacturer for guidance?
Morality doesn't care about pragmatism. Either killing another human being is right, or it is wrong. Until we can establish that, none of the other things matter. By the way, you're starting to take the position eugenicists made in the early 1900s. We know where that road leads.
*offspring
i think there are more acceptable forms of birth control than abortion, and i think people that claim the condom failed are full of shit, just like the overwhelming majority of people that claim the gun they were holding "just went off" on its own.
There are many things in the bible that have been proven wrong, such as a person living for 900 years. So there are definitely things wrong with the bible. A book with allot of errors in makes it much more likely that other things in the book are true. Finally there is no evidence that god exists, so unless you can prove the core idea in the bible everything else is just opinion.
Cater no they don’t. Abortions lead to vanerial disease and infections, to scarring that can prevent future impregnation, to emotional trauma once people realize they just murdered their offspring! It does nothing to reduce poverty, social aid spending or bad voters. Abortion doesn’t reduce crime of any sort or increase the prosperity of anyone not selling abortions. Again, the issue isn’t failed democrat arguments but is it morally acceptable to murder anyone? If that answer is not yes then you disagree with murdering babies.
abortion, like climate change, is a political tool to get money.
planned parenthood creates a loop for federal funding that is then cycled back to the politicians that support the funding, via another group called PPA. we gives millions to planned parenthood, who somehow can afford to donate tens of millions to the campaigns of left wing assholes.
see how that works? it is basically the same way military action or foreign aid is approved.
Abortions do not cause STD's you are clearly getting your information from biased sources.
You consider it murder other people may consider it simply getting an unwanted growth removed. You cannot project your thought processes onto others and assume they think the same way.
You are also clearly getting your information about abortions societal effects from biased sources. I recommend you go read some papers (not news articles, editorials, or blogs) before commenting anything further on that topic.
Again many do not consider fetuses people, so until both parties agree to that, you are debating in bad faith and projecting your views onto others.
Check the numbers or your sources because if 77% of Americans self identify as Christian then there’s not 33% to “not believe” even at 70% and these numbers are from a search in 2016 that came from political polls and they ranged from 70-77% Christians. I know heinous democrats have been importing Muslims by the millions but we are still the vast majority here. Also, if you’re ok with abortion then you’re ok with me offing your mom whenever I decide she got in my way somewhere. Granted I would never do that, but the argument is the same. What it gonna be? Murder babies and Anybody else we don’t like for convenience, or admit it’s a violation of babies’ rights to life?
Are you going to tell me you also don't believe in climate change and its eventual catastrophic effects? Dirty money and political influence happens in everything and is an entirely different topic to the morality and utility of abortion.
If I don't agree you're "people", can I murder you without legal recourse?
the climate changes constantly on its own, regardless of our input or output.
what i can tell you is that certain groups have manipulated the historical data in order to make money from it.
Seeing that “climate change” is a hoax with no data to support it I think pretty low of minds that do believe in it. That whole “the ice caps are melting because you won’t buy a Prius” thing blew up in Obamy’s Face when real scientists said “relax people the caps always shed ice but they’re actually growing”. The temperatures haven’t gone 1/2 a degree outside their (roughly) 100 year cycle. Humans don’t have the power to change the climate on Earth. Every year volcanoes spew more CO2 into the air than mankind has our entire existence combined. That’s right. NOAA and NASA allow you to download the weather data and models they keep for free and you can see how silly it is to say that potentially 1/10 of 1 degree is going to kill us all.
I cannot continue to debate with either of you. You both clearly select whatever biased sources that you can find to support your own stances. When the vast majority of scientists have confirmed climate change and you select a well known climate change fraudster support your views, I can only imagine you are looking for comfort that something scary and mostly out of your control isn't happening.
I would submit that this is exactly what is happening in the US, though few are willing to admit it. Getting rid of those that will consume instead of contribute and drag down the country. You know, for the long term security of the nation.
Not saying it’s right. I’m saying that it is an end result of what’s going on.
What melted the previous ice ages before the industrial revolution, SUVs, and lively before bovine flatulence?
I thought the government got out of the business of rewarding people for having more children, but I really wouldn't know.
you answered without even watching it.
if you won't even watch, you cannot even say you made the choice yourself.
the same people that tell you climate change is real told you
trump is a russian agent
men can have a baby
this is a woman
One interesting point:
There are two "official" weather stations here. One sits atop a giant 'skyscraper', a few feet from an exhaust. The other sits 20 yards off the runway at the airport. I wonder if data is affected by placement. I'm certain the two local ones would be the only ones that exist with choice placement.
There are two "official" weather stations here. One sits atop a giant 'skyscraper', a few feet from an exhaust. The other sits 20 yards off the runway at the airport. I wonder if data is affected by placement. I'm certain the two local ones would be the only ones that exist with choice placement.
In Marin County, there were sensors placed on top of a donut shop and a hair dressers. 'Spare the Air' days were called on account of jelly donuts, hair colorings, and perms.
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the video i shared is derived from the actual data.
in another video, they talked about how they remove data points that don't fit the narrative without explanation.
the interpretation of the resulting data is like putting new sensors in walmart parking lots and including that as part of the aggregate temperature without accounting for the temperature prior to it being a parking lot.
Nice try but infanticide is not people doing their patriotic duties. It’s not akin to joining the Army or even organizing a highway trash collection. It’s not a difficult decision made for the sake of ending poverty. It’s selfish people who don’t want to live with the consequences of getting it on. It’s the opposite of Personal Responsibility. I have heard some stuff in my day but I never thought I would see anyone argue that abortion is about curbing poverty for the sake of the Nation. Maybe those grief stricken “parents” should receive medals, after all they eradicated poverty, drug addiction and violent crime at the expense of their dead offspring. People murder babies in the womb because it’s convenient, in a few weeks you’re back living like it never happened unless you somehow grow a conscience.
The climate has always changed through the centuries. Its not mankind that is changing it.
Coming from the folks who have been (incorrectly) predicting doom and gloom for 50 years, and their answer is always "Please Mr. Government man, protect me"?
Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions - Competitive Enterprise Institute
Modern doomsayers have been predicting climate and environmental disaster since the 1960s. They continue to do so today. None of the apocalyptic predictions with due dates as of today have come true. What follows is a collection of notably wild predictions from notable people in government and...
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I’ve actually become partial to the 6creed shooting solids after seeing it in action at the expo at the hoplite booth.
It’s insanely accurate and mild recoil.
Before that I was /am a 300 wm fan
I made it half way through page 7 before skipping to the end. Here's my take. I carry a firearm to protect myself and my loved ones. I will only use it when presented with an immediate threat. I view abortion as having the same necessity. When there is immediate threat to the mothers life, the choice is to save her or lose both. I am the father to a little man that wasn't aborted after physicians urged his bio-mother to terminate the pregnancy because they detected deformity. She was a drug abuser but didn't believe in abortion according to some of her relatives. But, if she continued to party and miscarried, so be it. He had a stroke at birth, on a vent for 2 days and had a plethora of other shit that he will deal with throughout his life. My wife and I were called for a fucking HOSPICE placement for a 4 day old baby. They gave him 3 weeks to a month. We met the little shit at 8 days old. My wife gave him his first basin bath, fed him one of his first bottles after they pulled the NG tube. Day 22 we were told by the NICU attending that he would never walk, talk, eat solid food, be potty trained, etc. "Be prepared for a lifetime of heartache." Fuck that guy. He's 16, runs his mouth like any other teenager and understands dad will whoop his ass if he doesn't get his damn room clean by the time I get home. Lol. He's delayed. He's got right side weakness from the stroke. But he's MY boy!! Idgaf. If she had listened... Fuck this justification for parental convenience and likelihood of disability. So yes, I'm pro-life. Yes, we did foster care for a decade. Yes, we (two white folk) adopted a (black) special needs child.
To address the first page comments on cost, it's a matter of how you do it. We adopted through our local county office here in Ohio. Getting certified with a county gives NUMEROUS benefits. The adoption was paid for through a one time stipend for non-recurring expenses. (Car seat, crib, etc.) There were local attorneys that had agreements with Job and Family Services. They would file paperwork and after the adoption was finalized, we would agree to pay them from that stipend. Being affiliated with JFS also opened up adoption from any other county entity across the country. Check out AdoptUSkids. Most have medical issues or are sibling groups.
We just happened to be blessed. I pray others look into at least doing foster care. It's an amazing way to impact people, especially yourself.
I'll talk to anyone who wants more info.
To address the first page comments on cost, it's a matter of how you do it. We adopted through our local county office here in Ohio. Getting certified with a county gives NUMEROUS benefits. The adoption was paid for through a one time stipend for non-recurring expenses. (Car seat, crib, etc.) There were local attorneys that had agreements with Job and Family Services. They would file paperwork and after the adoption was finalized, we would agree to pay them from that stipend. Being affiliated with JFS also opened up adoption from any other county entity across the country. Check out AdoptUSkids. Most have medical issues or are sibling groups.
We just happened to be blessed. I pray others look into at least doing foster care. It's an amazing way to impact people, especially yourself.
I'll talk to anyone who wants more info.
Wife and I looked into fostering and adoption after we lost our first baby in utero. The foster system wants you to take bad kids and not discipline them, can’t homeschool them and are even more strictly forbidden from taking them to church, at least in TN. They did say that fostering would waive state fees for Adopting but that’s not nearly enough. State uses these kids as an income source and it hurts a lot of couples looking to grow their families. God gave us our two naturally after we realized adoption would never be financially within reach.
States vary greatly on restrictions and requirements. Here in Ohio it was/is completely up to the bio family. If they allow you to homeschool or take them to church then JFS doesn't mind. Discipline was expected. They didn't allow the leeway fosters parents may have with their bio kids.
My wife has...? had...? PCOS. She had a hysterectomy end of 2019 because of endometrial cancer. We never had biological children.
With B.S. "restrictions" like listed above, no wonder foster kids "turn out bad"
What do you expect when the people trying to care for them can't instill any decent morals into them or punish them properly for their actions.
Then they grow up to be another street terror that gets away with everything until some fellow 'just turning their life around" type kills them.
What do you expect when the people trying to care for them can't instill any decent morals into them or punish them properly for their actions.
Then they grow up to be another street terror that gets away with everything until some fellow 'just turning their life around" type kills them.
Sorry to hear y’all had such bad luck but glad it works better in Ohio. Good luck to y’all.
Hospital patient charged with manslaughter for attacking pregnant nurse, killing preborn baby
A psychiatric unit inpatient recently attacked a pregnant nurse in a Central Florida hospital, leading to the death of the nurse's 32-week preborn baby.
www.liveaction.org
As reported by Medscape, on October 30, Marcie Marc was dispensing medications to a screaming female patient in the behavioral health unit at South Seminole Hospital in Longwood, Florida. A 53-year-old man with multiple past criminal convictions, including three for domestic violence, was in another room on the unit after being admitted to the hospital under Florida’s Baker Act which “allows people with mental illness to be examined or treated by medical staff for up to 72 hours.”
Marc told police that the male patient came into the room where she was, “shoved her against a wall, and attempted to kick her.” Other hospital employees, including hospital security team members, came quickly to her aid, but the damage had already been done. When Marc went to another hospital for medical care, she learned that her baby, who had been healthy throughout the pregnancy, no longer had a heartbeat.
Marc’s attacker, Joseph Wuerz, was released from the hospital on November 2 and has been charged with “manslaughter for injuring a mother and killing an unborn child; aggravated battery of a pregnant woman; and aggravated battery of a medical worker.” He remains in jail until his January 11 court date.
The pro-life advocacy organization Live Action has released a satirical video that emphasizes how pro-choice men benefit from abortions.
This will make a baby-killing-leftist's head explode.
This will make a baby-killing-leftist's head explode.
Why don't you cruise over to the road rage thread and help decide how many "people" are dead?
Road rage Karen F's around and finds out. Pregnant hit and run driver pulls gun on victim, gets deaded. ETA: NO CHARGES. JUSTIFIED SELF DEFENSE.
VOLUSIA COUNTY, FLORIDA Five months pregnant librarian INTENTIONALLY strikes motorcycle rider with her car, almost killing him. Motorcyclist and another motorist who witnessed the assault/attempted murder follows the road rager to her house in order to get her information. Batshit cunt comes...
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Or, what tri-mester are you if someone puts an "abortion pill*" in your head?
(*the state of California has determined lead may cause lead poisoning.)
I would add to Mr. Shapiro's comments that Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional because an unborn baby IS a person. Since that unborn baby is a person, they must be guaranteed all the rights, privileges and protections under the Constitution.
There is too much science to ignore that shows that an unborn baby is a person. Nevertheless, I want to skip over any minutia that science offers and offer this argument.
Everyday, there are thousands of babies born prematurely. The gestation period is interrupted by either the early birth of the baby or by a surgical procedure which removes the child from the mother's womb ALIVE.
There are also thousands of babies killed in the mother's womb each day.
Let's compare two babies that are 7 months along in the pregnancy. One is aborted and one is delivered prematurely by surgical procedure for what ever reason.
If the baby that is born prematurely by surgical procedure NOT a person then why do some medical professionals go to great lengths to save its life? Why don't they throw it in the garbage with the rest of the medical refuse?
The one that is aborted just happens to have a mother that doesn't want it and a baby killer willing to take money to execute it.
There is too much science to ignore that shows that an unborn baby is a person. Nevertheless, I want to skip over any minutia that science offers and offer this argument.
Everyday, there are thousands of babies born prematurely. The gestation period is interrupted by either the early birth of the baby or by a surgical procedure which removes the child from the mother's womb ALIVE.
There are also thousands of babies killed in the mother's womb each day.
Let's compare two babies that are 7 months along in the pregnancy. One is aborted and one is delivered prematurely by surgical procedure for what ever reason.
If the baby that is born prematurely by surgical procedure NOT a person then why do some medical professionals go to great lengths to save its life? Why don't they throw it in the garbage with the rest of the medical refuse?
The one that is aborted just happens to have a mother that doesn't want it and a baby killer willing to take money to execute it.
No and no. Pelvic inflammatory disease FROM STDs from unprotected sex (BTW - the same cause as the demand for abortions) causes scarring of the fallopian tubes, ectopic pregnancies and prevention of future pregnancies. Correctly performed abortion, especially early stage, not so much. Spend one day in an urban ER. Every teenage female with abdominal pain gets a pregnancy screen before any other test for a reason - the "R/O ectopic train"...we called it.
Edit: I am pro-life, but not for this reason.
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Company That Made Zyklon B for Nazi Holocaust Made the First Abortion Pill - LifeNews.com
Since the fall of Roe v. Wade, and the increased restrictions on abortion in some states, abortion proponents have been working hard to ensure widespread access to chemical abortion. Within the next few years, if current trends continue, 7 out of 10 abortions will not take place on an abortion...
www.lifenews.com
More or less my opinion on it
I also find it interesting that much of the same crowd who will cheer police shooting unarmed people resisting arrest is also “every life is precious” when it comes to abortion
Funny thing with “abortion” and unwanted kids, we have the technology to eliminate the whole conversation, fully prevent unwanted pregnancies, but there’s just no money in that
The system needs both ditch diggers and pharma needs that constant cash flow, so the flow of dumb unwanted children for the government to raise must continue
en.m.wikipedia.org
“RISUG is an inexpensive, single-use drug which does not require major surgery, thus making it an unprofitable business model for drug companies who work on the principle of continuous demand and long term profit.
RISUG aims to provide males with years-long fertility control, thereby overcoming compliance problems and avoiding ongoing costs associated with condoms and the female birth control pill, which must be taken daily. Pharmaceutical companies have expressed little interest in RISUG.”
I also find it interesting that much of the same crowd who will cheer police shooting unarmed people resisting arrest is also “every life is precious” when it comes to abortion
Funny thing with “abortion” and unwanted kids, we have the technology to eliminate the whole conversation, fully prevent unwanted pregnancies, but there’s just no money in that
The system needs both ditch diggers and pharma needs that constant cash flow, so the flow of dumb unwanted children for the government to raise must continue
Reversible inhibition of sperm under guidance - Wikipedia
“RISUG is an inexpensive, single-use drug which does not require major surgery, thus making it an unprofitable business model for drug companies who work on the principle of continuous demand and long term profit.
RISUG aims to provide males with years-long fertility control, thereby overcoming compliance problems and avoiding ongoing costs associated with condoms and the female birth control pill, which must be taken daily. Pharmaceutical companies have expressed little interest in RISUG.”
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We've always had the ability to prevent unwanted pregnancies...well, at least since we figured out what causes it.
I can solve it with a burlap sack and a straight razor. Not much technology there.
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