Is something going on in Ukraine?

[jbailey]

There's no way to tell but you have to figure that 99% of the same people at the Pentagon right now would be there under Trump as well so the machinery and the strategies/advice would be the same. I think he would act a lot tougher though, particularly in regards to troop buildups, and probably try to coordinate some sort of force in Europe.

Yes, but the 1% that is new are the issue: they are the dudes making the decisions. National Security Adz, SofS, SofD and Prez, etc.
Acting tougher, regarding troop buildups and coordinated force from NATO are probably want we need to end this thing right now without a war.

The Biden news conference was a disaster. He basically said "its up the Putin to decide." What the kind of sh*tty policy is that? We have a vote in this thing too, but refusing to use it basically makes Putin's decision easy.

We have got to stand with our eastern NATO allies: Poland and the Baltics. Ukraine is a lost cause. But we need to move heavy combat assets into Poland and Baltics. That is the FEBA. Not Strykers and light IFVs, but Leopards and Abrams MBTs.

 

[jbailey]

Interesting perspective. After watching Biden's news conference yesterday his leadership abilities appears to be dwindling. As I watched, I asked myself "Would I follow this man into a battle with Putin's solders?"....

No sir, I would not. But we have a lot of boys (and girls too) that might have too.

Damn it, @DarnYankeeUSMC is right. What a difference a year makes..

 

[MtnCreek]

Fuck Europe.

Send troops to this border and start shooting invaders.

 

[Bigfatcock]

Fuck Europe.

Send troops to this border and start shooting invaders.

Yes.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Interesting perspective. After watching Biden's news conference yesterday his leadership abilities appears to be dwindling. As I watched, I asked myself "Would I follow this man into a battle with Putin's solders?"....

Buahahaha...he says Biden’s leadership skills are dwindling, as if he had some to begin with. Funny shit right there.

No sir, I would not. But we have a lot of boys (and girls too) that might have too.

Damn it, @DarnYankeeUSMC is right. What a difference a year makes..

Yes, sadly we have a lot of young people, I say that as if I’m old, that would have to and some may even want to go over some bullshit.

 

[Maggot]

So true only time MSM cheered for Trump was he bombed Syria , based on a false flag chemical attack in Douma that was staged by some moderate beheaders.

And only time Brandon really got lots of flak was when he ordered a withdrawal from Afghanistan. Warmongering is bipartisan and media is always on board. There is no single case where they were against it.

Absolute disaster for democratic party in upcoming elections is plenty of motive to play tough and ratchet things up ,all it takes is MSM on board to generate whatever narrative you want.

Unless they get spanked.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Fuck Europe.

Send troops to this border and start shooting invaders.

Maybe just the mafia...

 

[Hobo Hilton]

“There arrives a moment of truth when the West either accepts our proposals or other ways will be found to safeguard Russia’s security,” Gavrilov said. “I am convinced that with goodwill and a willingness to compromise in any situation, it is possible to find a way out to mutually acceptable solutions. We are running out of time. The countdown begins.”

TASS: Russian delegation declares start of ‘countdown’ in wait for adoption of Russian proposals - American Partisan

“There arrives a moment of truth when the West either […]

www.americanpartisan.org

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Yes, but the 1% that is new are the issue: they are the dudes making the decisions. National Security Adz, SofS, SofD and Prez, etc.
Acting tougher, regarding troop buildups and coordinated force from NATO are probably want we need to end this thing right now without a war.

The Biden news conference was a disaster. He basically said "its up the Putin to decide." What the kind of sh*tty policy is that? We have a vote in this thing too, but refusing to use it basically makes Putin's decision easy.

We have got to stand with our eastern NATO allies: Poland and the Baltics. Ukraine is a lost cause. But we need to move heavy combat assets into Poland and Baltics. That is the FEBA. Not Strykers and light IFVs, but Leopards and Abrams MBTs.

Better three hours too soon than a minute too late.
William Shakespeare

 

[Inifinty]

Just some portions of Daniel 11 where the King of the South gets it's ass handed to it by the Russian Federation.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Boogie man. That's what they use to manipulate the population.
Why did they use Russia against Trump? They got to keep their boogie man and destroy Trump with one stone. They were petrified that Trump was going to get a deal done with Russia. With the Trump plan of brining back industry the open Russian market would have been an economic boom for the USA.
I will be up front and say that Putin can't be trusted but which other world leaders can be?

As for the crap fest of defending the money laundering county of Ukraine? We the people can't stop it. There's a major reason Congress has been hanging out there for the last twenty years....$$$$$$$$$!!!
I say pull our troops from Germany and like @jbailey said, set them up in Poland etc.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Boogie man. That's what they use to manipulate the population.
Why did they use Russia against Trump? They got to keep their boogie man and destroy Trump with one stone. They were petrified that Trump was going to get a deal done with Russia. With the Trump plan of brining back industry the open Russian market would have been an economic boom for the USA.
I will be up front and say that Putin can't be trusted but which other world leaders can be?

As for the crap fest of defending the money laundering county of Ukraine? We the people can't stop it. There's a major reason Congress has been hanging out there for the last twenty years....$$$$$$$$$!!!
I say pull our troops from Germany and like @jbailey said, set them up in Poland etc.

I’d trust Putin before I trusted any of our own, if that tells you anything.

 

[myronman3]

I’d trust Putin before I trusted any of our own, if that tells you anything.

i’d never have imagined even a few years ago that i would agree with that statement.

 

[Inifinty]

i’d never have imagined even a few years ago that i would agree with that statement.

All part of the design.

The hammer and sickle are still displayed proudly over the Russian Federation state Duma.

Communist China is a child of the supposedly now ( feigned) defunct USSR.

Half of the free world is now corrupted by the CCP with a color revolution actively in play on western soil.

All the world is a stage. The only ones not in on it yet are the people.

Stop falling for it.

 

[sharac]

LOL. Same logic in tearing down Confederate statues. Any selfrespecting country has its history even when period is dark and lessons were bloody. Maybe some icons should remain as reminders of what was paid once in blood. People have short memory and in generation or two things really water down and if history is not remembered... well you know the history repeating part and quotes....

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Media was getting orgasmic when they thought Trump was going to bomb the hell out of Iran. Then he didn't. Then Iran shot down it's own passenger jet.

That was a Ukrainian jet. With mostly Iranians and Canadians on board.

Imo what was awesome was in November 22 2020 when Moshen Fakhrizadeh, the lead scientist in Irans nuke program was assassinated.

Who ever pulled that off deserves a cookie!

 

[candyx]

That was a Ukrainian jet. With mostly Iranians and Canadians on board.

Imo what was awesome was in November 22 2020 when Moshen Fakhrizadeh, the lead scientist in Irans nuke program was assassinated.
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Who ever pulled that off deserves a cookie!

Nice try though with using the wipers to deflect the bullets.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Russia announces sweeping naval drills amid Ukraine tensions

Russia has announced sweeping naval drills in several parts of the world this month, and claims the West is plotting “provocations” in neighboring Ukraine where the Kremlin has been accused of planning aggressive military action.

apnews.com

 

[Mr.BR]

Like said nothing much is happening except MSM hyperventilating the propaganda state department and 3 letter agencies pump out.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in a speech Wednesday underlined that the "hype" around the danger of a Russian invasion has grown rather than the actual threat, as he urged the country to remain calm.

"The risks have not just existed for a day, and they have not become bigger. The only thing that has become bigger is the hype around them," he said.

'Big hype': Zelenskyy urges restraint amid risk of Russian invasion

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in a speech Wednesday underlined that the 'hype' around the danger of a Russian invasion has grown rather than the...

www.dailysabah.com

 

[Maggot]

Like said nothing much is happening except MSM hyperventilating the propaganda state department and 3 letter agencies pump out.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in a speech Wednesday underlined that the "hype" around the danger of a Russian invasion has grown rather than the actual threat, as he urged the country to remain calm.

"The risks have not just existed for a day, and they have not become bigger. The only thing that has become bigger is the hype around them," he said.

'Big hype': Zelenskyy urges restraint amid risk of Russian invasion

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in a speech Wednesday underlined that the 'hype' around the danger of a Russian invasion has grown rather than the...

www.dailysabah.com

Spain just sent ships (minesweeper and frigate) and Denmark is sending some gear. Brits are sending a bunch of shoulder missles. Looks like the Europeans may have a memory after all.

 

[Californio]

This is all theater for the coming world wide depression, keep them all distracted until the soup lines form.

 

[Lightning8]

Remember when Trump asked all the European NATO countries to pay up to their NATO obligations?

 

[akmike47]

I wonder if I can talk my fiancé into us taking in some poor Russian or Ukrainian women to save them from the possible bloodshed....

 

[kortik]

Spain just sent ships (minesweeper and frigate) and Denmark is sending some gear. Brits are sending a bunch of shoulder missles. Looks like the Europeans may have a memory after all.

Germans do have memory after all. They do not send anything and even do not allow Brit planes with weapons for this shithole called ukraine to fly over German airspace. "Ships" from Spain or "gear" from Denmark - I can not believe you're serious about it. But Brits getting rid of their outdated junk for some money instead of just writting it off for a loss does look like a "smart move" for Brits. They enjoy making such deals a lot, like selling to stupid ukies a bunch of 50 year old armoured cars several years ago, which could not even function properly and were never seen in any uki's action.

 

[Darayavaus]

If any of you have Instagram accounts go look at Forward Observations stories today. They're reporting heavy conflict with casualties everyday between Russia and Ukraine.

Edit;

Instagram

instagram.com

That guy is the pro-Ukraine shill who went on a few sweeps with the Azov militia. He's such a stooge that even the ultra-partisan shills at Bellingcat denounced the guys he was operating with.

 

[SilentStalkr]

i’d never have imagined even a few years ago that i would agree with that statement.

Not all is what it seems.

 

[jbailey]

Spain just sent ships (minesweeper and frigate) and Denmark is sending some gear. Brits are sending a bunch of shoulder missles. Looks like the Europeans may have a memory after all.

Yes, and the Finns and Swedes, two non-NATO partners, are both active on the naval front.

But where are the damn Germans ? they are the ones funding the Russians, $'s for nat gas. They need to send 50 Leopards 7's as part of a heavy BCT to the Suwalki gap and turn off the financial tap. We back them up with Apaches and 16's.

They do that and this situation is over tomorrow.

 

[Jim Out]

That was a Ukrainian jet. With mostly Iranians and Canadians on board.

Imo what was awesome was in November 22 2020 when Moshen Fakhrizadeh, the lead scientist in Irans nuke program was assassinated.
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Who ever pulled that off deserves a cookie!

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Pull our troops from Germany and see what they decide. Which one will they decide on? The economic pain or the lack of heating fuel from Russia.
But I don't see the potato or his handlers going that route. This is going to be a desperate deflection from the shit show this regime has created here at home

Yes, and the Finns and Swedes, two non-NATO partners, are both active on the naval front.

But where are the damn Germans ? they are the ones funding the Russians, $'s for nat gas. They need to send 50 Leopards 7's as part of a heavy BCT to the Suwalki gap and turn off the financial tap. We back them up with Apaches and 16's.

They do that and this situation is over tomorrow.

 

[Sako man]

Today the White House said it "views any illegal border crossings as an act of war."

Unfortunately, Biden was talking about Ukraine, not the USA!

 

[Jim Out]

Today the White House said it "views any illegal border crossings as an act of war."

Unfortunately, Biden was talking about Ukraine, not the USA!

SSDD

Video: Vid appears to show Greek border fence torn down by Turkish tanks | Daily Mail Online

A video released by the Greek government appears to show Turkish tanks at the border between the two countries tearing down fences. Thousands of migrants are currently in Turkey hoping to gain access to Greece and the European Union.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Yes, and the Finns and Swedes, two non-NATO partners, are both active on the naval front.

But where are the damn Germans ? they are the ones funding the Russians, $'s for nat gas. They need to send 50 Leopards 7's as part of a heavy BCT to the Suwalki gap and turn off the financial tap. We back them up with Apaches and 16's.

They do that and this situation is over tomorrow.

Germany aint biting the hand that feeds or warms.

Those tanks and F-16’s would be more shit Ukraine could not afford to up keep. Ukraines economy is in the shitter, that country doesn’t need war. That aint solving shit, it will just hurt the common folk, the pawns, while the Ivory tower instigators hide thousands of miles away.

SSDD

Video: Vid appears to show Greek border fence torn down by Turkish tanks | Daily Mail Online

A video released by the Greek government appears to show Turkish tanks at the border between the two countries tearing down fences. Thousands of migrants are currently in Turkey hoping to gain access to Greece and the European Union.

www.dailymail.co.uk

My dad told me about 15 years ago, that in my life time I would see Muslims over run Europe. Not through war but migration.

Similar, shits happening here in the US at our southern border... mean while Biden worries about Pushing Russia’s buttons.

 

[Snuby642]

We back them up with Apaches and 16's.

I'm 63 years old but have to ask what rock you hide under?

16's ?

Try F-22 and F-35 if you can get a 35 off the tarmac. And some stuff that won't be discussed.

Problem is potus will be watching real time (your welcome) without a fucking clue of what to do with it.

A 1/2 moa gun is a waste on a 2 moa shooter.

 

[Jim Out]

A 1/2 moa gun is a waste on a 2 moa shooter.

What's that in mil potato?

 

[Snuby642]

In mils it's just one mill off.

In potato it's a fucking "brush shot" .

 

[Cardboard55]

Heads up. Grab a cup of coffee.

 

[BCP]

Today the White House said it "views any illegal border crossings as an act of war."

Unfortunately, Biden was talking about Ukraine, not the USA!

Our politicians act tough on behalf of other countries but weak when it's on our behalf.

 

[Holliday]

A 1/2 moa gun is a waste on a 2 moa shooter.

Math is hard. So the resulting theoretical cone of fire would be the same with a 1 moa gun?

 

[Snuby642]

The largest contributor to error remains a constant..

 

[jbailey]

I'm 63 years old but have to ask what rock you hide under?

16's ?

Try F-22 and F-35 if you can get a 35 off the tarmac. And some stuff that won't be discussed.

Problem is potus will be watching real time (your welcome) without a fucking clue of what to do with it.

A 1/2 moa gun is a waste on a 2 moa shooter.

I wish man, but today, Spangdahlem (our remaining combat airfield in Germany, which is actually set to close) runways are full of 16s, not 35s. The 16 remains a highly capable platform, especially in the hands of the best pilots in the world (USAF of course).

Yeah, Germans will not send the PzBde 21 to the Suwalki. And yeah, all our ABCTs are gone, with just an Arm'd Cav Rgt and the Apache battalion left (do the Russian's fear the wheeled Strykers?).

Even if we had the will, NATO clearly doesn't have the assets on hand to win a European ground war, and unfortunately Putin knows this very well. Blame for this is wide and depth. Deterrence is a long, expensive mission without clear indications it is succeeding ...

 

[Snuby642]

I have a long history with fighter jets. 1977 F-4 and up to F-35.

If you could add 2 F-22's to a dozen F-16's it would be a good multiplier.
One would do the trick but needs a compatible wing man.

Had a lot of fun at Jever on NATO exercises in 80 and 81.

 

[clcustom1911]

Heads up. Grab a cup of coffee.

Excellent breakdown. Well worth the 30 minute price if admission.

 

[308pirate]

This is all theater for the coming world wide depression, keep them all distracted until the soup lines form.

A depression here will usher civil war 2.0

Guaranteed

This isn't 1928

 

[308pirate]

Excellent breakdown. Well worth the 30 minute price if admission.

ASGH

 

[Bigfatcock]

Fuck Ukraine.

 

[canman]

In the 60's John Kennedy brought us to the brink of war because Russia was arming Cuba ( our neighbor). Today we want Ukraine to be NATO and think Russia should be OK with that? There is no one more anti communist then me, I pissed a large portion of my life down a hole fighting those bastards. But them telling us to fuck off just seems normal to me. And the fact is Joe Biden doesn't have and never had the ball's John Kennedy had or has the Joint Chief's to back up his bullshit

 

[clcustom1911]

ASGH

On our end, probably not. Just like when Crimea happened under Barry.

Im about to start a pool here at work for the timeline for Russia's invasion.

I'd put $20 on them crosssing west from Donesk, north from Crimea, and just east from Moldova toward Odessa within 30 days.

 

[Darayavaus]

too bad that so many people have this fantasy stuck in their heads that Russia is the enemy.

hell, I grew up with the cold war and watched Red Dawn as a kid, and hated the Evil Empire commies. I was always pro-military and despised the pussy democrats for being such anti-defense, unamerican pussies .

But times have changed. The global scene is no longer the 1970's and 80's. Reagan is gone, and so is Trump for that matter. Geopolitics isn't about national defense and American interests, it's now about globalist interests vs countries which want to stay independent from them. The Deep State has become the new Evil Empire.

And it's easy for the globalists to hoodwink people with old, cold war American patriot values frozen in their head, who are stuck in the past and can't objectively reason and understand that our old values have been sold out by the current leadership. That's why we have so many dupes and stooges who "hate Biden and the libruls" but believe all the deep state propaganda and bullshit about geopolitical events.

 

[clcustom1911]

too bad that so many people have this fantasy stuck in their heads that Russia is the enemy.

hell, I grew up with the cold war and watched Red Dawn as a kid, and hated the Evil Empire commies. I was always pro-military and despised the pussy democrats for being such anti-defense, unamerican pussies .

But times have changed. The global scene is no longer the 1970's and 80's. Reagan is gone, and so is Trump for that matter. Geopolitics isn't about national defense and American interests, it's now about globalist interests vs countries which want to stay independent from them. The Deep State has become the new Evil Empire.

And it's easy for the globalists to hoodwink people with old, cold war American patriot values frozen in their head, who are stuck in the past and can't objectively reason and understand that our old values have been sold out by the current leadership. That's why we have so many dupes and stooges who "hate Biden and the libruls" but believe all the deep state propaganda and bullshit about geopolitical events.

I, for one, dont think Russia is an enemy per se. More of a frienemy, like many of our other "allies" like Saudi Arabia and others.

As standard with the US, and every other country I have ever gone to, and I'm sure Russia is no different based on my reading about their people/culture/ history (haven't been to Russia...yet):

All the regular people I meet and interact with are fantastic. It's asshole politicians, and other powermongers, that fuck it up for everyone.

Change my mind.

 

[Californio]

I, for one, dont think Russia is an enemy per se. More of a frienemy, like many of our other "allies" like Saudi Arabia and others.

As standard with the US, and every other country I have ever gone to, and I'm sure Russia is no different based on my reading about their people/culture/ history (haven't been to Russia...yet):

All the regular people I meet and interact with are fantastic. It's asshole politicians, and other powermongers, that fuck it up for everyone.

Change my mind.

"All the regular people I meet and interact with are fantastic. It's asshole politicians, and other powermongers, that fuck it up for everyone."

Here, Here - always has been and always will be.