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LRP-07 inconsistent accuracy
- Thread starter timelinex
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Geez...
OP, I can't see the pictures due to my IP, but I hope the slippage is the source of your problems and not the rifle. Hopefully you can regain your thread as well. Common courtesy is an uncommon virtue around here.
With the issues you were seeing I am really not surprised that is was not the rifle.
JP is not infallible but the rifles they put out are very consistent. (unless you are LV 426 and then only Les Baer customs can make a good product)
JP is not infallible but the rifles they put out are very consistent. (unless you are LV 426 and then only Les Baer customs can make a good product)
All that "money" and your rocking crappy wall paper with linoleum in what looks like a manufactured home roof line? Plus most of those 1/2 moa or under groups are 3 shot groups, not 5 and all conveniently by themselves without other groups around them and I highly doubt they came out of that AR but more likely out of that Surgeon....
5 shot group my ass... There's 2 distinct holes and the probability of anyone putting 3-4 rounds through one hole would make you world class to the point that we would be watching you take home titles at matches and your name would be well known to everyone.
Wait, wait, wait...I hate that this has nothing to do with OP's issue, but I am stuck on LV's first picture where the SD and ES both state "0". Holy shit. That is impressive!!! I just thought they'd fly through the same hole with those numbers. It looks like your Les Baer shoots great, it should, it's a great rifle. But to go and make an overgeneralized statement about JP rifles was not copacetic. JP makes hyper accurate gas guns too. We don't even know if it's OP's rifle, and with the recent issue he found, it appears to be his scope mount. So just chill out. You got some excellent stuff man, go shoot it.
Ok, back to issue...
Good catch, timelinex. I don't know if I would have caught that as quick as you apparently did. It definitely looks like there was "sliding" or slippage with the scope in those rings. Please give us an update once you try a different setup.
Ok, back to issue...
Good catch, timelinex. I don't know if I would have caught that as quick as you apparently did. It definitely looks like there was "sliding" or slippage with the scope in those rings. Please give us an update once you try a different setup.
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Because everyone else keeps there rifles at someone elses house... and your own writing claims them to be 5 shot groups when they're not.
After taking off the rings, its extremely apparent under there that they were sliding. They slid a good quarter inch! I called the manufacturer of ARC rings today and he reassured me that 50 in/lb is where it should be vs the 40 in/lb that I had it at. So I cleaned all parts with alcohol, put some loctite on the screw and clamped it down to 50 in/lb. I made sure to put pencil marks everywhere, so if it slides at all, I'll know. If it still slides, I'll send these back to the manufacturer and get different rings.
I'm going to the range tomorrow, so I'll try to give an update then....
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Looking forward to see how it does. I have a feeling you found the problem and hope it groups even better then it did on your good days.
Good luck timelinixl
OK, so went to the range today and it didn’t help at all….
Started off with a fouler, then group 1 and 2 were unsuppressed FGMM. Group 3 was my reloads unsupressed. Then I put on a suppressor and shot a fouler. Group 4 and 5 were suppressed FGMM, group 6 was suppressed reload ( I pulled one shot ½ inch to the left, I called it before even looking at the target and that’s exactly where it went). Group 7 and 8 are suppressed FGMM. Then groups 9 and 10 are unsuppressed FGMM (forgot to put turrets back down to unsupp zero on group 9). Some of those are 3 shots and some 5 shots.
Long story shot, groups 1,2,5,6,7 and 9 where decent enough, but 3,4,8,10 were horrible. As you can see, its all over the place. Some spectacular groups, some decent, and some worse than Ive ever shot at 100 yards with any other rifle.
I was shooting solid the entire time. I’m straight behind the rifle, good NPA, good trigger, good sight picture and I didn’t push any bad shots. Only one shot the entire time did I accidently move my finger a little to jerk the rifle left a little and that was in group 6, where I called the ½ inch miss before even seeing the target. Otherwise the rifle felt controlled and stable the entire time and I never lift my cheek off the stock mid group. The scope did not slide in rings, so its not that.
I can try a new scope and rings, but if its not sliding I don’t know how it will help. I’ve shot 400+ rounds already and this is just ridiculous. I have shot rifles that are just bad shooters, and its nothing like that. All the groups generally hoover around the average of how well a rifle shoots. Out of the 40 shots here, it averaged .8moa with the lowest being under a tenth an the highest being a 1.5moa. Thats just not right.
If anyone is a proficient semi auto shooter in the phoenix area, I would be grateful to meet up somewhere and you can try it out. I don’t know what to do anymore…
Started off with a fouler, then group 1 and 2 were unsuppressed FGMM. Group 3 was my reloads unsupressed. Then I put on a suppressor and shot a fouler. Group 4 and 5 were suppressed FGMM, group 6 was suppressed reload ( I pulled one shot ½ inch to the left, I called it before even looking at the target and that’s exactly where it went). Group 7 and 8 are suppressed FGMM. Then groups 9 and 10 are unsuppressed FGMM (forgot to put turrets back down to unsupp zero on group 9). Some of those are 3 shots and some 5 shots.
Long story shot, groups 1,2,5,6,7 and 9 where decent enough, but 3,4,8,10 were horrible. As you can see, its all over the place. Some spectacular groups, some decent, and some worse than Ive ever shot at 100 yards with any other rifle.
I was shooting solid the entire time. I’m straight behind the rifle, good NPA, good trigger, good sight picture and I didn’t push any bad shots. Only one shot the entire time did I accidently move my finger a little to jerk the rifle left a little and that was in group 6, where I called the ½ inch miss before even seeing the target. Otherwise the rifle felt controlled and stable the entire time and I never lift my cheek off the stock mid group. The scope did not slide in rings, so its not that.
I can try a new scope and rings, but if its not sliding I don’t know how it will help. I’ve shot 400+ rounds already and this is just ridiculous. I have shot rifles that are just bad shooters, and its nothing like that. All the groups generally hoover around the average of how well a rifle shoots. Out of the 40 shots here, it averaged .8moa with the lowest being under a tenth an the highest being a 1.5moa. Thats just not right.
If anyone is a proficient semi auto shooter in the phoenix area, I would be grateful to meet up somewhere and you can try it out. I don’t know what to do anymore…
OK, so went to the range today and it didn’t help at all….
Started off with a fouler, then group 1 and 2 were unsuppressed FGMM. Group 3 was my reloads unsupressed. Then I put on a suppressor and shot a fouler. Group 4 and 5 were suppressed FGMM, group 6 was suppressed reload ( I pulled one shot ½ inch to the left, I called it before even looking at the target and that’s exactly where it went). Group 7 and 8 are suppressed FGMM. Then groups 9 and 10 are unsuppressed FGMM (forgot to put turrets back down to unsupp zero on group 9). Some of those are 3 shots and some 5 shots.
Long story shot, groups 1,2,5,6,7 and 9 where decent enough, but 3,4,8,10 were horrible. As you can see, its all over the place. Some spectacular groups, some decent, and some worse than Ive ever shot at 100 yards with any other rifle.
I was shooting solid the entire time. I’m straight behind the rifle, good NPA, good trigger, good sight picture and I didn’t push any bad shots. Only one shot the entire time did I accidently move my finger a little to jerk the rifle left a little and that was in group 6, where I called the ½ inch miss before even seeing the target. Otherwise the rifle felt controlled and stable the entire time and I never lift my cheek off the stock mid group. The scope did not slide in rings, so its not that.
I can try a new scope and rings, but if its not sliding I don’t know how it will help. I’ve shot 400+ rounds already and this is just ridiculous. I have shot rifles that are just bad shooters, and its nothing like that. All the groups generally hoover around the average of how well a rifle shoots. Out of the 40 shots here, it averaged .8moa with the lowest being under a tenth an the highest being a 1.5moa. Thats just not right.
If anyone is a proficient semi auto shooter in the phoenix area, I would be grateful to meet up somewhere and you can try it out. I don’t know what to do anymore…
That's what my ctr02 did!!!!! One day 1/4" next day 1"
Ben said i highly doubt its the rifle, but ship it to us we will take it to the range and c.
I sold it....fixed that problem.
get your money back. And have LBC build you one and never. Look back
Agree, at least give JP a change to look at it first. They are good company and I am sure they will not let you down. I used to have APA build AR308 that will shoot .220" without the suppressor and 1" with suppressor. We found out later on that the quick detach mount caused the group to opened up, APA said it was a little vibration problem right before the bullet leave the suppressor that created some " Whipping".
