Woot woot! Finally finished this rifle over the weekend with Robert Gradous. Very promising thus far.
Lucky bastard!!!!! I am right behind you with mine.
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New GAP Extreme Hunter in 6.5 SAUM
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Lucky bastard!!!!! I am right behind you with mine.
How many 6.5 SAUM shooters are pointing their VLD's or Scenars? Sounds like the 130 VLD G1 gains about .5 when pointed putting the G1 at .600. I would prefer not to have to add this extra step so am looking for feedback on results on Pointing vs Not Pointing. Thanks!
Pointing is a simple process and for the gains it gives me down range I always have my bullets pointed if it benefits the caliber. Gaining .5 mils in elevation on an already super flat round, is amazing.
IMO it's a significant increase in BC. It only takes 30 min to point 100 bullets. And that's with pointing, trimming, pointing once again.
Nosler brass works great. Slightly thicker brass has lower case capacity so youll need to decrease your starting load just a smidge!
All the talk about meplat trimming and bullet pointing has me wondering if pointed bullets (Berger Hunting VLD's) will expand reliably down to the velocities the state for an unmodified bullet? Has anyone thats pointing them seen a differance on game?
I would like for them to explain to me how it has "adverse affects on terminal ballistics" when the pointing process increases their BC and every single shot I have ever taken with a pointed 130gr bullet drops animals in their tracks.
They are clearing saying that as to not get sued by someone like PETA or some other liberal hippie faction.
Very interested to see how 6.5 saum performs on big matches like Vortex Extreme or GAP Grind. Would a low capacity mag be a problem?
VYD, have wondered this as well. I shot with George Gardiner at the 2013 SHC, it obviously wasn't a big deal as he won and I''m pretty sure he shot the SAUM.
Alpha makes a 10 round WSM mag, i'm pretty sure that is what he has said he was using.
Berger advises that, apparently, the pointing process may have "adverse effects on terminal performance." Which I took to mean reliable penetration and expansion, rather than BC. Perhaps that has more to do with individual variances/skills in the pointing technique than lawsuits. But like I said, I'm not disagreeing with you.
Well just for a laugh and the fact that I can't get any sensible accuracy from 140 gr 6.5 projectiles, with the possible exception of Berger 140gr Hunting Vld's I tried some Hornady 95gr Vmax.
My first concern was whether they would stay together so the first was shot with the Oheler, and it stayed together at 100 yards. The second one registered 3640 fps (56786 psi) which is exactly what QL predicted. Going on that basis I should be able to make 3800 fps, personally I think it will go to 3750fps.
Next step it to see if the Vmax stays together at 300 yards, if they do I will shoot for groups.
Barrel twist is 1-8.
My first concern was whether they would stay together so the first was shot with the Oheler, and it stayed together at 100 yards. The second one registered 3640 fps (56786 psi) which is exactly what QL predicted. Going on that basis I should be able to make 3800 fps, personally I think it will go to 3750fps.
Next step it to see if the Vmax stays together at 300 yards, if they do I will shoot for groups.
Barrel twist is 1-8.
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You can't get any 140gr 6.5 projectile to shoot accurately?
I can give you a tip, it's not the bullets fault…. I usually stick with Berger or JLK. I have never had a problem with getting either of those bullets to shoot accurately in any 6.5 caliber.
That sounds like a barrel or load problem to me but you might want to try a 140 hybrid or 139 scenar if you haven't. It's usually very easy to find a good load with those.
Bullets tried are
140 JLK
140 Hybrid
139 Scenar
142 SMK
140 Amax
140 Vld
I have tried H1000 mostly, RL25 and N165, N165 has worked the best.
I'm not bothered by it any more and I'm going to have some fun and see what else it can do as 200-300 yard rifle.
140 JLK
140 Hybrid
139 Scenar
142 SMK
140 Amax
140 Vld
I have tried H1000 mostly, RL25 and N165, N165 has worked the best.
I'm not bothered by it any more and I'm going to have some fun and see what else it can do as 200-300 yard rifle.
I have a question. Anyone try out the Nosler Custom SAUM brass yet as well as the NORMA brass. Able to compare the 2? I searched long and hard and i found out that in the SAUM offerings, NORMA manufactures the NOSLER brass. I cant get any NORMA brass in Canada, but REMINGTON and NOSLER are plentiful since it's not a popular cartridge here for some reason. I blame the WSM's. What I want to confirm, is if the NOSLER brass is identical to NORMA. NOSLER brass is $2 a piece so I'm hesitant to just try it out without finding out all i can. I have some REMINGTON brass now, but want to see what else I can use.
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Thinking out loud...
Xtreme Hunter in 6.5 saum (7.5lbs) vs. Non-Typical in 6.5 saum (8.5lbs). I understand there is nothing to gain here except for 1 extra pound, but this route is a lot cheaper. What am I missing?
Xtreme Hunter in 6.5 saum (7.5lbs) vs. Non-Typical in 6.5 saum (8.5lbs). I understand there is nothing to gain here except for 1 extra pound, but this route is a lot cheaper. What am I missing?
My 260 nontypical is lighter than my Extreme Hunter by a couple ounces. I went with the McMillan Hunters edge stock on the nontypical. Both have 24" barrels, the XH has a fluted barrel. Both have APA bottom metal and talley 30mm lightweights.
What is "wrong" with B&C stock? Dont know much about it.
Received my Hospitaller couple of months ago and really am enjoying Manners stock but for a hunting rifle Non Typical is, Manners is too heavy/bulky.
Not really concerned about DBM on hunting rifles. Been digesting all the info here about 6.5 SAUM but really like the Non Typical
model. The same accuracy guarantee and I could spend the $ difference on reloading equipment.
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I dont think there is anything "wrong" with it at all, just pointing out some of the differences in the rifles. Common differences could include different construction, fill, color, production method, finish, etc. I will defer to those with first hand knowledge for specific details.
Myself, I might find an FN SPR in 300 WSM as a donor and re barrel it in 6.5 SAUM when I find out if I am headed to the west for my last few years in the mil.
I still am thinking on taking a Kimber Montana 300 WSM and rebarreling with a Brux #2 in 6.5 SAUM. Talk about a lightweight long range hammer!
For those fortunate shooters of the 6.5 saum , who has the highest number of rounds through their barrel and how is that barrel holding up accuracy wise ?
I'm REALLY thinking about a custom build in this cartridge and will most likely hold off till things become more affordable and available but would like any information on barrel longevity before I commit what little funds I have !
I'm REALLY thinking about a custom build in this cartridge and will most likely hold off till things become more affordable and available but would like any information on barrel longevity before I commit what little funds I have !
The Copper Creek ammo shoots extremely well. 
This go up was shot at 1100 yards with a GAP rifle.
This go up was shot at 1100 yards with a GAP rifle.nice shooting, mine doesn't seem to like it at all. just got the gun and ran 35 rounds down it and nothing better than 1 inch at 100 and most were more like 1.5 inch. guess i will shoot up the other 15 and start trying some loads.
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