New RF bino from Vectronix!!! Vector X

[JL]

MK machining posted some images from IWA. If the image is as blue as the picture indicates, I will be canceling my order.
Vector X and another image through a different scope they posted for comparison

I can confirm that effect is caused by camera misalignment, see shadow and yellow tint on upper right corner. It is almost impossible to get perfectly aligned photo freehand, there is always some distortion.

Compare to my photo, snapped outdoor with some pure white snow in FOV. Focus is bit off but tones are close to real.

 

[Texaslongshot]

Seems like this product may destroy the new nightforce spotter sales......thoughts?

 

[bucha4k]

They are not that Blue.

I remember reading this comment right before I bought my kilo10ks

 

[Burdy]

Seems like this product may destroy the new nightforce spotter sales......thoughts?

No.

 

[NiteQwill]

Seems like this product may destroy the new nightforce spotter sales......thoughts?

I wouldn't worry much. NF isn't selling many of those spotters anyway.

 

[b6graham]

I wouldn't worry much. NF isn't selling many of those spotters anyway.

Have they even sold a single one?

 

[GBMaryland]

"They are not THAT blue."

Thank you for this.

They are going to have some sort of metallic coating.

However, it’s SO unlikely that they will have the relatively deep blue of the Sig10K…

if you really don’t like it, I’ll sell you my Northrup-Grumman MkVII LRF…

 

[Burdy]

I wouldn't worry much. NF isn't selling many of those spotters anyway.

Is there a better solution for ranging under NV/Thermal?

 

[Terry Cross]

Is there a better solution for ranging under NV/Thermal?

We have found that the most dependable method of getting accurate ranges while under NV/Thermal requires deploying in 2 man shooter/spotter teams.

The ranging equipment requires no batteries and works in any weather. Basically the shooter IDs the target and helps the spotter get eyes-on.
At that point, the spotter grabs the loose end of the ranging device and runs to where the target is. Once even with the target, the spotter drops the end of the device and GTF out of the way. At this point, the shooter views the direct readout numbers with his NV (readout is not legible with thermal), uses the appropriate reticle hold for that distance and boom. . . . . one shot, one kill. Pretty sweet. Also costs WAY less than the Vectronix!

 

[db2000]

We have found that the most dependable method of getting accurate ranges while under NV/Thermal requires deploying in 2 man shooter/spotter teams.

The ranging equipment requires no batteries and works in any weather. Basically the shooter IDs the target and helps the spotter get eyes-on.
At that point, the spotter grabs the loose end of the ranging device and runs to where the target is. Once even with the target, the spotter drops the end of the device and GTF out of the way. At this point, the shooter views the direct readout numbers with his NV (readout is not legible with thermal), uses the appropriate reticle hold for that distance and boom. . . . . one shot, one kill. Pretty sweet. Also costs WAY less than the Vectronix!

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Same but we have them hold up these flaming yardage numbers, in MOA hold of course, so we can use our ATN Thor’s

 

[Burdy]

We have found that the most dependable method of getting accurate ranges while under NV/Thermal requires deploying in 2 man shooter/spotter teams.

The ranging equipment requires no batteries and works in any weather. Basically the shooter IDs the target and helps the spotter get eyes-on.
At that point, the spotter grabs the loose end of the ranging device and runs to where the target is. Once even with the target, the spotter drops the end of the device and GTF out of the way. At this point, the shooter views the direct readout numbers with his NV (readout is not legible with thermal), uses the appropriate reticle hold for that distance and boom. . . . . one shot, one kill. Pretty sweet. Also costs WAY less than the Vectronix!

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Preorders available?

 

[Terry Cross]

Preorders available?

Honestly buddy, I wouldn't order yet.

Pretty good chance Garmin is going to bomb the market with some hot shit new digital tape measure and fuck up their world.

.

 

[Glassaholic]

We have found that the most dependable method of getting accurate ranges while under NV/Thermal requires deploying in 2 man shooter/spotter teams.

The ranging equipment requires no batteries and works in any weather. Basically the shooter IDs the target and helps the spotter get eyes-on.
At that point, the spotter grabs the loose end of the ranging device and runs to where the target is. Once even with the target, the spotter drops the end of the device and GTF out of the way. At this point, the shooter views the direct readout numbers with his NV (readout is not legible with thermal), uses the appropriate reticle hold for that distance and boom. . . . . one shot, one kill. Pretty sweet. Also costs WAY less than the Vectronix!

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One of the best posts of the day, maybe month, heck the whole year I almost ordered one sight unseen

 

[carbonbased]

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[Milf Dots]

We have found that the most dependable method of getting accurate ranges while under NV/Thermal requires deploying in 2 man shooter/spotter teams.

The ranging equipment requires no batteries and works in any weather. Basically the shooter IDs the target and helps the spotter get eyes-on.
At that point, the spotter grabs the loose end of the ranging device and runs to where the target is. Once even with the target, the spotter drops the end of the device and GTF out of the way. At this point, the shooter views the direct readout numbers with his NV (readout is not legible with thermal), uses the appropriate reticle hold for that distance and boom. . . . . one shot, one kill. Pretty sweet. Also costs WAY less than the Vectronix!

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Will this be offered in LH action, and FDE/Coyote?

 

[DocUSMCRetired]

Will this be offered in LH action, and FDE/Coyote?

For $400 you can take my class and we will teach you how to convert it to Left Handed and FDE or Multicam. https://ads.midwayusa.com/product/102316310?pid=125802

 

[koshkin]

For $400 you can take my class and we will teach you how to convert it to Left Handed and FDE or Multicam. https://ads.midwayusa.com/product/102316310?pid=125802

Time for a bidding war. I'll offer the same training for $375 and in two languages.

ILya

 

[Mr.BR]

299$ in 3 languages

 

[koshkin]

299$ in 3 languages

Three languages is too confusing. Two languages is the sweetspot.

ILya

 

[DocUSMCRetired]

Time for a bidding war. I'll offer the same training for $375 and in two languages.

ILya

299$ in 3 languages

Mine is offered in one language, at $400. However, my class comes with rack of lamb raised off my own Ranch and smoked with mesquite wood cut from my own property:

 

[db2000]

Tree Fitty and a reach around

 

[koshkin]

Mine is offered in one language, at $400. However, my class comes with rack of lamb raised off my own Ranch and smoked with mesquite wood cut from my own property:

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How about we offer a dual instructor course in multiple languages and with meat lollipops for desert?

ILya

 

[kriller134]

How about we offer a dual instructor course in multiple languages and with meat lollipops for desert?

ILya

Sounds super gay

 

[koshkin]

Sounds super gay

It does, but isn't quite meant that way. "Meat lollipop" is what my kids used to call rack of lamb when they were little. It never occurred to me how it sounds without that context...

ILya

 

[db2000]

 

[carbonbased]

…with meat lollipops for desert?

It never occurred to me how it sounds without that context...

D’oh! Omg!

I just figured out THAT’S the reason I only have gay dudes show up to my “Smoking Our Meat Lollipops Together” cooking class!

 

[CSTactical]

"They are not THAT blue."

Thank you for this.

 

[CSTactical]

It does, but isn't quite meant that way. "Meat lollipop" is what my kids used to call rack of lamb when they were little. It never occurred to me how it sounds without that context...

ILya

 

[Jcarpenter223]

So just briefly checking out reviews od the company here on the hide and also not really knowing their history, with EO being om board with them...should they be gtg now? Cuz a buddy and I have talked about these and they check a lot of boxes for us.

 

[Stangs55]

So just briefly checking out reviews od the company here on the hide and also not really knowing their history, with EO being om board with them...should they be gtg now? Cuz a buddy and I have talked about these and they check a lot of boxes for us.

They’re primarily a military/LE company, but they’re huge. They GTG just haven’t catered to consumers much.

 

[RS14]

They’re primarily a military/LE company, but they’re huge. They GTG just haven’t catered to consumers much.

I would say. “I would order them”. But well I did order them. As soon as I could. lol. Now I just can’t wait for them to show up.

 

[Jcarpenter223]

I would say. “I would order them”. But well I did order them. As soon as I could. lol. Now I just can’t wait for them to show up.

The duality of shooter

 

[Secant]

The talk about a blue tint is making me nervous, haha. I was all primed up to grab a set when they hit the shelves, but now..........

 

[NiteQwill]

My suggestion for anyone on the fence about purchasing is to use a credit card with purchase protection and extended warranty, such as Amex Platinum and Chase Reserve (maybe? I haven't checked their TOS).

 

[4O6shootist]

Curios, can a guy lock temp in the sensor array to prevent sensor heat soak in the sun? You know.......like the Kilo 10k

 

[DocUSMCRetired]

Curios, can a guy lock temp in the sensor array to prevent sensor heat soak in the sun? You know.......like the Kilo 10k

Yes.

 

[*Tavman*]

Curious what model and reticle everyone is ordering?

I'm going with the 12's and the less cluttered SMR

 

[chanrobi]

I was going to buy these until I found out you can't correct for calls for fire, no splash corrections add/drop or anything

Can't measure heights of shit either

 

[chanrobi]

A lot depends on the design. In the camera (lens) world, adding a 1.4x teleconverter to a professional lens only degrades the image slightly in modern design mirrorless lens systems. If Vectronix did their homework (and I assume they did) then likely these 1.4x extenders will offer minor degradation in quality, but we won't know for sure until they get into the field.

As someone in the astrophotography world this is absolutely not true lol. F stop, corners, field curvature everything gets fucked

1.4x or ANY teleconverters will SCREW up your images, but then again we ain't looking at fields of stars looking for round eveyrthing ...

 

[Rio Precision Gunworks]

I was going to buy these until I found out you can't correct for calls for fire, no splash corrections add/drop or anything

Can't measure heights of shit either

What are you referring to? Not being able to call corrections in matches? Unless you only shoot in 2 day or other matches that don't allow that, there's still plenty of other matches and non match shooting in which you will be able to use corrections.

Also, what are you referring to for measuring heights? Reticle ranging? Or features like the .mil type vectors where you can measure between two points?

 

[4O6shootist]

What are you referring to? Not being able to call corrections in matches? Unless you only shoot in 2 day or other matches that don't allow that, there's still plenty of other matches and non match shooting in which you will be able to use corrections.

Also, what are you referring to for measuring heights? Reticle ranging? Or features like the .mil type vectors where you can measure between two points?

Pretty certain he was trolling........

 

[Mr.BR]

What are you referring to? Not being able to call corrections in matches? Unless you only shoot in 2 day or other matches that don't allow that, there's still plenty of other matches and non match shooting in which you will be able to use corrections.

Also, what are you referring to for measuring heights? Reticle ranging? Or features like the .mil type vectors where you can measure between two points?

He might be trolling but some high end miltary LRF/thermals have functions where you can measure objects by ranging 2 points and you get the distance between them calculated.

I have seen that feature on Safran JIM CompacT but that is like 70+k$ unit

 

[J_D]

He might be trolling but some high end miltary LRF/thermals have functions where you can measure objects by ranging 2 points and you get the distance between them calculated.

I have seen that feature on Safran JIM CompacT but that is like 70+k$ unit

My Vectronix PLRF25c has that option.

 

[Glassaholic]

As someone in the astrophotography world this is absolutely not true lol. F stop, corners, field curvature everything gets fucked

1.4x or ANY teleconverters will SCREW up your images, but then again we ain't looking at fields of stars looking for round eveyrthing ...

Clearly you have not used a Nikon Z 1.4x, yes this was the case with the older F mount TC’s but the Z 1.4x shows very little image degradation, even with the Z 600 f/4 S lens, corners and field curvature are very well controlled. I’m not saying this will be the case with the Vectronix extenders but improvements in optical design could benefit this duo; we won’t know for sure until units get into the wild.

 

[chanrobi]

Clearly you have not used a Nikon Z 1.4x, yes this was the case with the older F mount TC’s but the Z 1.4x shows very little image degradation, even with the Z 600 f/4 S lens, corners and field curvature are very well controlled. I’m not saying this will be the case with the Vectronix extenders but improvements in optical design could benefit this duo; we won’t know for sure until units get into the wild.

Nope

Doesn't work like that, if you could get free focal length everyone would be using teleconverters instead of buying a separate scope for each FL.

Like I said probably won't really notice a difference in daytime photography. But you will lose stops and image quality with ANY teleconverter period. Is it noticeable for daytime photography? Probably not. But there is a difference

But at night with the most demanding subset of photography - night star fields and objects you bet it does.

There's no way you are convincing me that there is no IQ difference when you slap a TC on a modern camera lens from any nikon or canon.

 

[Burdy]

Nope

Doesn't work like that, if you could get free focal length everyone would be using teleconverters instead of buying a separate scope for each FL.

Like I said probably won't really notice a difference in daytime photography. But you will lose stops and image quality with ANY teleconverter period. Is it noticeable for daytime photography? Probably not. But there is a difference

But at night with the most demanding subset of photography - night star fields and objects you bet it does.

There's no way you are convincing me that there is no IQ difference when you slap a TC on a modern camera lens from any nikon or canon.

Come on over to the sunshade thread.

 

[carbonbased]

Nope

Doesn't work like that, if you could get free focal length everyone would be using teleconverters instead of buying a separate scope for each FL.

Like I said probably won't really notice a difference in daytime photography. But you will lose stops and image quality with ANY teleconverter period. Is it noticeable for daytime photography? Probably not. But there is a difference

But at night with the most demanding subset of photography - night star fields and objects you bet it does.

There's no way you are convincing me that there is no IQ difference when you slap a TC on a modern camera lens from any nikon or canon.

Well, it doesn’t matter if you are convinced or not. 1.4x teleconverters for mirrorless are so good now that Nikon literally builds them into their supertelephotos. You can’t remove them, just flick them into or out of the light path. Olympus has a lens like that too, and Canon started the trend in still photography IIRC with their old EF 200-400mm f4 (which wasn’t as good as the modern mirrorless versions).

Of course there has to be some small loss of quality and one stop of light. Realize because these built-in teleconverters can be tuned exactly for those individual lenses vs the older general purpose teleconverters that needed to work with many focal lengths, lenses, and f-stops. Any quality loss from these new built-in TCs, especially, are invisible in today’s normal photography.

Nikon SLR teleconverters for the F-mount were never as good as Canon SLR EF mount versions (esp their 2x). Maybe this is where you’re getting your bias?

Now the answer to the question if the optical quality is up to snuff for your very specialized area…that is beyond my expertise. But the mirrorless teleconverter quality at this point (even the separate mirrorless TCs) is good enough for pro nature and sports photographers, believe me.

Top end bird photographers, in particular, are picky as hell about feather detail. Like, crazy picky. But they’re not shooting geometrically near-perfect balls of light like you lol.

 

[carbonbased]

And we’re talking about your eyes vs a digital image. I find that your eyes are much, much more forgiving looking at a live scene through a lens vs looking at a digital image taken through that same lens.

Plus Vectronix can optimize these teleconverters for just ONE focal length vs Nikon/Canon needing their external versions to work across a large range of focal lengths.

For example, in Nikon’s F-mount’s case: 70-200 f2.8, 200mm f2, 300mm f2.8, 400mm f2.8, 500mm f4, 600mm f4, and possibly their 800mm f5.6 lenses. I think the last version of their F-mount 800mm even had a built-in 1.25x TC.

Given the reasons I laid out, I don’t think we have to worry if the TC-aided image will be good enough with these binos.

I’m not a Vectronix fanboy. Never owned a single thing from them.

 

[Glassaholic]

Nope

So you’re saying that what me and numerous other professional photographers have witnessed with our own eyes is simply not true?

Doesn't work like that,

Doesn’t work like what? Refer to comment above, are you saying the Z 1.4x TC isn’t any better than the F mount TCII/TCIII teleconverters and that somehow we must be deceiving ourselves with regard to the superior IQ we are witnessing using the Z teleconvertor?

if you could get free focal length

Not sure where this comment comes from, I don’t think anyone is advocating free focal length, any TC will decrease the amount of light. With a 1.4x it is one full stop of light, with a 2x it is two full stops of light. With regard to binoculars the benefit of increased magnification comes at the cost of decreased light.

everyone would be using teleconverters instead of buying a separate scope for each FL.

Plenty of people use teleconverters in the photography world including many professionals.

Like I said probably won't really notice a difference in daytime photography. But you will lose stops and image quality with ANY teleconverter period.

I never said you wouldn’t???

Is it noticeable for daytime photography? Probably not. But there is a difference

Pretty sure that is the point I made. It’s likely our definition of what that difference is is where you’re getting hung up.

But at night with the most demanding subset of photography - night star fields and objects you bet it does.

Pretty sure we are talking about binoculars here intended to be used to range distances during daylight situations.

There's no way you are convincing me that there is no IQ difference when you slap a TC on a modern camera lens from any nikon or canon.

I can’t find anywhere where I was advocating there is no IQ difference, here is my original quote.

A lot depends on the design. In the camera (lens) world, adding a 1.4x teleconverter to a professional lens only degrades the image slightly in modern design mirrorless lens systems. If Vectronix did their homework (and I assume they did) then likely these 1.4x extenders will offer minor degradation in quality, but we won't know for sure until they get into the field.

Show me where I was trying to convince anyone there is no degradation of IQ?

 

[117D-RTO]

Can we talk more about the chicken? I saw the chicken dance post...please tell me this made it into production....