Rifle Scopes New Schmidt & Bender PM2 6-36x56

[clonebuilder]

I think this is more likely the situation. Schmidt can probably care less about the ramblings of a few of us in a tiny thread on the Hide. Most shooters don't know FOV if it hit 'em across their face, they just look at a magnification number and call it a day - "my ATACR 5-25 is better than your Razor Gen3 6-36 cause it can go down to 5x" not realizing that the 6-36 actually has greater FOV than the ATACR does...

Honestly with how short and light the 6-36 is, i bet the overall rankings are going to be razor thin margins

 

[918v]

Honestly with how short and light the 6-36 is, i bet the overall rankings are going to be razor thin margins

But can it resolve bullet holes at 700 yards?

 

[wooferocau]

But can it resolve bullet holes at 700 yards?

Depends on the bullet

 

[Huskydriver]

Depends on the bullet

105mm?

 

[wooferocau]

20pdr....for my Centurion...

 

[wooferocau]

Same case as 105mm

 

[918v]

Those are shoulder bruisers for sure.

 

[Dogtown]

Same case as 105mm

“That ain’t no 105mm Ball…that’s some Super Duper Match 105mm with low SD!”

 

[wooferocau]

Those are shoulder bruisers for sure.

Yeah but with the reduced FOV you guy's have....makes it easier to see the impacts..

 

[TheOE800]

Oh now you’re being mean.

 

[gnochi]

Not sure if Tangent is affected by this patent as they are made in Canada. March has some of the widest FOV's optics and don't seem to have an issue with US market. I think it's only European manufactured scopes that are affected. Even your Gen3 Razor's have >22° FOV but they are manufactured in Japan and assembled here so guessing they slip by the patent. Any of the patent experts care to elaborate?

Shouldn’t matter where it’s made in terms of being acceptable to sell in the US.

• If a company doesn’t have a US presence and no extradition/etc agreement the only thing that can be done is block imports and sales
• The Japanese OEMs + March might have a license agreement in place
• Some companies may have patents Swaro is infringing on, and nobody wants to start a war only the lawyers will win
• March in particular might not have a dingus between the eyepiece and reversal system
• The companies might not actually care, which might change now that we’re bringing it up

 

[GBMaryland]

OK I wanna hypothesize something…


So, say you’re in Germany and you just happen to see a really nice Schmidt and bender 6–36X 56 scope. You buy it and you come back to the United States… would that get caught at the airport? Would you be stopped in any way from bringing it into the United States?

 

[gnochi]

OK I wanna hypothesize something…


So, say you’re in Germany and you just happen to see a really nice Schmidt and bender 6–36X 56 scope. You buy it and you come back to the United States… would that get caught at the airport? Would you be stopped in any way from bringing it into the United States?

That will almost certainly not result in any problems. They’ll even refund your VAT on the way out, which is great because if the US Cistoms person has half a braincell you’ll pay customs on the way in.

 

[stanley_white]

Somebody be like…

-Stan

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

So if I am vacationing in Austria, and happen to purchase a scope from @wooferocau while there, and I stuff it in my checked baggage . . .

Am I going to run into problem with US Customs or any other law enforcement?

Will they take warrants and surround my house and put me all over the news for a 120 day standoff with the feds?

 

[TheOE800]

OK I wanna hypothesize something…


So, say you’re in Germany and you just happen to see a really nice Schmidt and bender 6–36X 56 scope. You buy it and you come back to the United States… would that get caught at the airport? Would you be stopped in any way from bringing it into the United States?

I don’t think you’d run afoul of any ITAR or similar defense articles restrictions, but the game is do you declare it or do you not declare it.

If you can get them without the yuge duty, I’ll take one.

 

[Nik H]

OK I wanna hypothesize something…


So, say you’re in Germany and you just happen to see a really nice Schmidt and bender 6–36X 56 scope. You buy it and you come back to the United States… would that get caught at the airport? Would you be stopped in any way from bringing it into the United States?

Not a violation of ITAR since it is inbound versus exported from the US.

It is definitely a roll of the dice. If you declare it, you will pay some sort of duty based on the price on the receipt. If you don't declare it and they decide to search your bags, then you will pay the duty plus a penalty. The bigger problem is that they flag you and you are now on a list.

I have traveled to the EU more times than I can recall. I think I have been searched twice. Wasn't bringing anything thing undeclared so nothing happened.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Personal exemption is only $800, so this scope is going to exceed . . .

No ATF restrictions. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/do-...e-scopes-manufactured-military-specifications

TSA says OK in carry on. https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/rifle-scope-scope-only

Previous discussion here appears to show a 14.9% duty imposed. https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/info-needed-importing-scope-to-usa-from-uk.7170423/

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Found on another site.

The import duties don’t necessarily apply to where the item is coming from but where it was manufactured and sometimes what features it has. For example you might have to pay a duty on a Chinese scope and not on a German scope. There is a whole database maintained by customs that is supposed to be updated with the latest legislation. The importer or their broker is supposed to provide the correct item code to customs and assuming they agree with your assessment that will determine if and how much duty you need to pay.

Here is a link
https://hts.usitc.gov/

-Marty

How are you supposed to make sense out of all of that nonsense? How many days of research to determine the duty?

I found tariffs on Chinese scopes, but I have not found anything yet for Germany.

 

[Nik H]

Found on another site.

The import duties don’t necessarily apply to where the item is coming from but where it was manufactured and sometimes what features it has. For example you might have to pay a duty on a Chinese scope and not on a German scope. There is a whole database maintained by customs that is supposed to be updated with the latest legislation. The importer or their broker is supposed to provide the correct item code to customs and assuming they agree with your assessment that will determine if and how much duty you need to pay.

Here is a link
https://hts.usitc.gov/

-Marty

How are you supposed to make sense out of all of that nonsense? How many days of research to determine the duty?

I found tariffs on Chinese scopes, but I have not found anything yet for Germany.

Does it really matter? The customs agent's know the correct product code and associated duty. Plan for the worst (20%) and see if the transaction still makes sense.

 

[TheOE800]

HTS code 9005.80.40 for telescopic scopes.

 

[koshkin]

Does it really matter? The customs agent's know the correct product code and associated duty. Plan for the worst (20%) and see if the transaction still makes sense.

Or just stick with the US version. I am really liking this scope.

ILya

 

[TheOE800]

Or just stick with the US version. I am really liking this scope.

ILya

I think the 525P controls CA better.

 

[Huskydriver]

SB won't warranty a European scope in the us iirm

 

[carbonbased]

Well, if @koshkin confirms #FOVgate was Swaro’s fault, I’ll have to issue a meme-joke retraction and instead issue forth with anti-Swaro-memes.

Then, I’ll have no choice but to send a meme-invoice to Swaro to recoup my joke-time fee.

I’m glad I don’t own any Swaro products because if they did pull a fast FOVone, I’d be inclined to hit their glass with a ball peen hammer lol

 

[Nik H]

SB won't warranty a European scope in the us iirm

I remember reading a post from another member that said Jerry at S&B said they will. It was a bit ago so not sure if he has changed that policy.

 

[koshkin]

Well, if @koshkin confirms #FOVgate was Swaro’s fault, I’ll have to issue a meme-joke retraction and instead issue forth with anti-Swaro-memes.

Then, I’ll have no choice but to send a meme-invoice to Swaro to recoup my joke-time fee.

I’m glad I don’t own any Swaro products because if they did pull a fast FOVone, I’d be inclined to hit their glass with a ball peen hammer lol

I believe this is indeed due to Swaro's US patent. I already updated my recommendations to reflect what I think of their questionable (to me) use of lawfare.

ILya

 

[koshkin]

I think the 525P controls CA better.

I have the TT525P and the new 7-35x is arriving next week. Once they are all here, I'll do a proper side-by-side.

ILya

 

[carbonbased]

I believe this is indeed due to Swaro's US patent. I already updated my recommendations to reflect what I think of their questionable (to me) use of lawfare.

ILya

Henceforth

 

[carbonbased]

(And I also deleted my S&B joke on page 24)

 

[Glassaholic]

So if I am vacationing in Austria, and happen to purchase a scope from @wooferocau while there, and I stuff it in my checked baggage . . .

First of all, you’d be a long way off from @wooferocau since he’s in Australia

 

[Kiba]

First of all, you’d be a long way off from @wooferocau since he’s in Australia

 

[wooferocau]

By Christ....the S&B 6-36 sure does draw a crowd!!!

 

[Glassaholic]

By Christ....the S&B 6-36 sure does draw a crowd!!!

Nice rig, surprises Aus let’s you have a desert tech, looks way too tactical

Wait a sec, I thought you said you raised square poopers?

 

[Nik H]

I have the TT525P and the new 7-35x is arriving next week. Once they are all here, I'll do a proper side-by-side.

ILya

Fantastic...are you also looking at the ZCO 8-40?

 

[wooferocau]

surprises Aus let’s you have a desert tech, looks way too tactical

 

[Glassaholic]

Good thing you don't live in WA, they would definitely have you on a list

 

[Huskydriver]

Good thing you don't live in WA, they would definitely have you on a list

My man owns an operable centurian tank.... In Australia.....

I think the knows he's already on a list lol

 

[Dogtown]

Eh, the Americans are jealous Kiwis and Aussies don't need permission to buy or build a suppressor

 

[Glassaholic]

My man owns an operable centurian tank.... In Australia.....

I think the knows he's already on a list lol

Good point, I wonder what the ballistics of the 20 PDR is

 

[koshkin]

Fantastic...are you also looking at the ZCO 8-40?

Maybe. I should be able to meet with a friend of mine who has it.

ILya

 

[RayDBonz]

Good thing you don't live in WA, they would definitely have you on a list

Don't worry, we are all on multiple 'lists'.

 

[Glassaholic]

Don't worry, we are all on multiple 'lists'.

Ain’t that the truth

 

[clonebuilder]

Ain’t that the truth

So i know you mentioned the sun flare thing on TTs. Is that a deal breaker or not the biggest concern?
I hate not being able to look at stuff and buying sight unseen.

 

[Glassaholic]

So i know you mentioned the sun flare thing on TTs. Is that a deal breaker or not the biggest concern?
I hate not being able to look at stuff and buying sight unseen.

Depends, if the sun is just right you could encounter almost complete white out. For this reason I suggest using the supplied ARD or a sunshade during daytime, both of these would significantly help the situation.

 

[Glassaholic]

Can anyone tell me if the new LPI (side parallax illumination module) is brighter than the old tumor illumination? Sure would be nice if the new LPI unit is brighter than the older units.

 

[wooferocau]

Can anyone tell me if the new LPI (side parallax illumination module) is brighter than the old tumor illumination? Sure would be nice if the new LPI unit is brighter than the older units.

Yes...it's brighter

 

[TheOE800]

Can anyone tell me if the new LPI (side parallax illumination module) is brighter than the old tumor illumination? Sure would be nice if the new LPI unit is brighter than the older units.

Yes. US models don’t have nerfed LPI.

 

[beetroot]

Eh, the Americans are jealous Kiwis and Aussies don't need permission to buy or build a suppressor

Suppressors are restricted in all Australian states if I'm not mistaken.
New Zealand has a free for all on suppressors, but that's the only good thing going for us.

Australia has virtually nothing worth being jealous of, in relation to gun laws that is.
Full FOV Schmidts certain isn't enough reason to move there.

 

[Dogtown]

Yeah, I probably should have assumed things were at least slightly different in Oz. As a Californian living in NZ, it was rather surreal to be able to just buy a suppressor at my local shop and take it home same day, let alone build my own.