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Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

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kdixer

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I bought a Remington VTR .22-250 on 8-23-11. My 1st trip to the range indicated a problem I have never encountered before. The bolt was hard to close and open on fired and unfired brass. My initial ammo was a box of remington core lokt. Trying to convince myself it was the cheap ammo I continued to shoot up that entire box of ammo. Different brands of ammo proved to be of no benefit. There was a definite problem with the gun. My internet research began. I found that the extractors were reportedly a common problem. I proceeded to remove the extractor completely and cycle a few hulls. Problem continued. It was not a headspace issue. The protrusion on the ID of the bolt face near the ejector was virtually machining .005" from the od of the extraction ring on the brass as the bolt closed. This was measured with a set of calipers. I knew the problem was beyond my abilities to repair.

I called Remington and they suggested I send the rifle to "Classic Arms" in Lore City OH. It was their "premier service center" for my region. I typed up a letter explaining the problem and included it, along with the box of damaged empty hulls, to the repair shop. My letter plainly stated that it did not seem to be an extractor issue. The rifle was sent to be repaired on 9-6-11. Delivery was confirmed on 9-9-11. When I called classic arms to inform them they would be recieving the rifle they informed me it should be a 7 day turnaround. I called the following week and was simply told "not yet". I was given the impression I was being a nuisance. When asked to elaborate on "not yet", I was told they ordered a new extractor and it would be ready on the 22nd or 23rd.

Now I figured this solution was not going to fix my rifle, I mean I had already said as much in my description letter. So seeing as how I spent over $700 on a new rifle over a month ago and do not have anything to show for it, I decided to check on it this morning. I was told, in the same un-helpful dimeanor, "I think it was sent back to the factory". Again I had to twist an arm to get confirmation.

At this point I just want a refund for the dang rifle and shipping costs I had to cover to send it to be repaired.
 
#2
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

Write a letter to Remington about your experience with their "premier" service center. They need to know if they are being badly represented, as it was a contractor and not the factory. Hope you get everything straightened out.
 
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Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

It is more than likely the groove that the extractor sits in. It probably doesn't have enough room for the extractor to "push back" into the bolt and snap over the rim. It does give the illusion of a short headspaced chamber but its the extractor. Best bet is to have a sako or m16 extractor put on and roll on.
 
#4
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

Might be worth calling Classic and asking for the tracking number of the shipment to Remington. You can then verify that it did ship and whether or not it arrived at Remington. This "I think it..." just never sits well with me. But that's just me.
 
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Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

I took the extractor completely out and it still shaved brass. As I said before and as I explained to them, it is the bulge next to the ejector that rubs the casing. It is as if the chamber is not centered with the bolts axis of rotation. And when you cam the bolt down, that region of the bolt binds on the OD of the brass actually shaving off a.005" of material.

Every time I talked to the guy at Classic it was if I was hassleing him. He gave me short answers and I had to probe to get more information. It was like talking to a 12 year old that has done something wrong. I asked for a ticket # and he stated I should call back Friday so who knows if he had really sent it yet. I am thoroughly disgusted with this transaction.

The folks at remingtons repair shop are sticking to the excuse their hands are tied until they recieve the gun.
 
#6
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

Dont sweat the petty stuff, pet the sweatty stuff.

ANYTHING manufactured can have issues. I am confident that it will get fixed at some point. Be glad that being without your new rifle for a few weeks is the biggest problem on your plate. It could be worse, just sayin....
 
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Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

I know how you feel. It's infuriating when a company or dealer won't stand behind their product or service.

Get a refund and buy a Sako.

I found out that my TRG-22 had a problem with the chamber. Didn't effect how the rifle shot, but it left marks on the brass. I called the dealer (Euro Optics) and had a brand new rifle in less than a week, no questions asked.
 
#8
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kdixer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it is the bulge next to the ejector that rubs the casing.</div></div>

By bulge do you mean the ejector, the thing at the 3:00 position?
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#9
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

Remington customer service SUCKS. Every single time I have called them with an isssue, I have been treated like crap!

I have had a couple rifles that appeared to be "short-chambered" (the reamer was not run in all the way) and I could barely close the bolt. Borroa set of head space gauges or go to a gunsmith and check the chamber.

Good Luck
 
#11
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

Had the same problem with an sps tac. in .223. Sent it back to Big Green and they "fixed" it. When I took it out after the repair it would chamber factory ammo but it would not shoot anything very well (~2 MOA was the best). Called Remington and told them I was still having problems and they wanted my rifle again. So in three months of ownership I had it for two weeks and Remington had it the rest of the time. Sold that piece of junk and bought a rifle that shot well from day one.
 
#12
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dvsdev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kdixer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it is the bulge next to the ejector that rubs the casing.</div></div>

By bulge do you mean the ejector, the thing at the 3:00 position?
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The shape of the bolt face is determined by the caliber. They use the same diameter of bolt for many calibers. My VTR is a .22-250 so it has a bulge in that area. Your picture looks like a larger caliber. The bulge I am guessing is what keeps the case engaged with the extractor until the ejector can flip it out of the action. Below is an image that closer represents my bolt face. By bulge I mean the thick part of the bolt face rim right next to the ejector plunger (straight across from the extractor).

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=remi...amp;FORM=IDFRIR

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Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wfjames22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dont sweat the petty stuff, pet the sweatty stuff.

ANYTHING manufactured can have issues. I am confident that it will get fixed at some point. Be glad that being without your new rifle for a few weeks is the biggest problem on your plate. It could be worse, just sayin.... </div></div>

I get what you are saying. Sure there are bigger problems in the world to worry about. But It is not like I ordered a custom gun that I knew I would have to wait on. Instead I bought a gun at least a month before hunting season. And now hunting season is fast approaching (coyotes) and I am without a weapon. It is not my fault Remingtons lack of quality control let this dud slip past them. Yet I am expected to just suck it up and wait an uncertain length of time to get the product I paid good money for. That would be like me paying with a bad check and taking my good sweet time to make it right while in the mean time I enjoy a quality rifle. I exchanged a commodity for another commodity and Remington did not hold up to their end...plain and simple. There was nothing wrong with the money I spent And if there is a problem with the product, it needs to be made right in a timely fashion. Over 1 month and counting is not acceptable.

Will my life go on? Sure...but that is not the point of this thread.
 
#14
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: juliomorris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Should have bought a Savage.



Sorry couldn't resist. </div></div>

It was actually between the VTR and the Savage Predator package. I already had a scope lined up and the camo job on the savage did not impress me. If I could get my money back I would buy the Savage.

I have a Savage 110 in 7mm Rem Mag that shoots whole for whole @ 100 yards. I am not brand loyal when it comes to guns. There is a bit of luck involved when it comes to accuracy in production gun purchases. But the action should function without being forced and pryed no matter what.
 
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Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wfjames22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ANYTHING manufactured can have issues.</div></div>

Yes, but when the issue is pretty basic in nature and yet the manufacturer fails to correct the problem in a timely manner, then it's OK for the new owner to get a bit hot under the collar.
 
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Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

dixer, The bolt was hard to close and open on fired and unfired brass. my question to you how many rounds were fired i have found on the 22-250 round once you fire the gun around 10 times this happens all the time. gun was sent to remington for repair but the 22-250 still does it???? i donr know where to go either
 
#17
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

I fired about 30 rounds through the gun. I could have lived with a slightly tight headspace. But this thing was "machining" .005" from the rim of the brass. A follow up shot would be impossible with the way I had to pry on the bolt to get it to open and close.

Best I could tell the chamber was a little high in relation to the action. The bolt would go all the way forward without resistance, but when you cammed it down it was progressively tighter until full lock down. And then lifting the bolt handle was really hard initially and got progressively easier until it was full up. Then it was really easy to draw back to extract the casing. There is enough clearance in the bolt face to allow for some misalignment. The tightest dimension in the bolt head is between the extractor and the "bulge" 180° opposite of the extractor. When the bolt cammed clockwise, the "bulge" would progressively dig in to the OD of the brass. I say progressively because imaging cutting a sliver of cheese. It starts very thin and gets thicker as the knife makes the cut. That is how the brass looked but instead of a clean cut it was mashed and smeared starting at 0" then ending up with a gouge that was .005" deep. Every casing fired acted like this.

I tried various ammo with the same result. I say it was not a head space issue because the end of the hull was not damaged. I completely colored a hull with a permanent marker (did not have any machinist dye) and there were no marks anywhere where on that hull except the rim of the extraction groove. That let me know it was not a tight chamber. There were absolutely no marks on the extractor side of the hull.
 
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Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

Wow, you are describing the exact same problem I have with a SPS Tactical in 223. All the details with the brass match the problem I am having. Please keep me posted since we have the same issue.

After some searching/researching, I also thought it was the extractor at first. I purchased a new one, but didn't get around to installing it yet. I have a feeling if I pull my old extractor out and try without an extractor, I will still have the brass shaving issue that you have. I'll see if I can test that tonight.
 
#20
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jtv3062</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Off topic, what state do you live in that has a season for coyotes? In California its open year round </div></div>

I live in WV. There is no season on Coyotes, you can kill them anytime. But in order to hunt them in the woods something else has to be in season also. You can only hunt them in open fields year round. There are not many open fields in my area. But squirrel season opened up a couple of weeks ago so I can legally hunt coyote in the woods now.
 
#22
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

It's common practice not to reinstall an extractor for a Remington, but to install a new one. Whatever they have to do to fix the problem, if they had to remove the extractor that would explain why they ordered a new one, even if that wasn't the cause of the problem.
 
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Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

IT is manufacturing in mass quantities. There will be problems that slip through, mostly on Friday between 1400 and 1700 hrs. This kind of thing exists with ALL of the rifle manufacturers, Ruger, Savage, Remington,Browning,etc ad nauseum. They will fix it unless you are talking about the common occurance of brass shaving from the small flow into the ejector being shaved, That can be common. My wife has a Ruger that closes tight on some factory cartridges, it is also the damn finest shooting Ruger I have ever seen. How did the Remington ACTUALLY shoot if I might be so bold to ask?
 
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Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

kdixer, i feel your pain. Can't say that i have has any problems with rem. rifles, everyone that I have owned have functioned correctly but have had problems with other products and went thru the same mess as you.

Nothing is more annoying than buying somthing and getting excited about having somthing new to play with and finding out it is broke. Then you give the company the benifit of the doubt that it was just a small mess up on their part and that they will stand up to their end of the bargin and replace of fix it in a timely manner but they don't.

Well I hope you that they get if fixed and returned to you soon but like someone else said it not just remington its all companies. If you look hard enough I'm sure you'll see the same story as yours just a different manufacture. Try not to take your frustration out on the people you talk to on the phone probably only make matters worse. Good luck.
 
#25
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jea1976</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your post makes me glad that I chose the Savage over the Remington 700. Thanks
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Well the SPS Tactical that I have is the most problematic rifle I ever dealt with. However, the 5R that I have is the least problematic and is a damn good shooter.
 
#26
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jea1976</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your post makes me glad that I chose the Savage over the Remington 700. Thanks
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I also chose a Savage FCP-K over a Remington. And I did so in part because in 2009 I bought two 870 tactical SGs, one 7600 in .270, and a 597 and I had problems with every single one of them. OK, shiite happens to s large manufacturer. However, not a single one of the issues was ever addressed by Remington despite going thru official CS channels, usually multiple times. All four weapons were eventually either fixed here at home or sold. I went thru official CS channels on each issue, following the rules to the letter, and I got nothing accomplished. Even worse, I called Madison, NC and spoke to a corporate CS/QA guy about the last rifle (the 7600 with sight installed 1/4" off center) and about the other three weapons bought that year and the subsequent lack of CS (even gave him the CS tracking numbers on the shotguns), and he literally did not give a shiite. He simply did not appear to care one bit, and made no apologies about it.

I spent seven years in mfg engineering and management right out of college, most of that time in QA (I am an ASQ CQE), so I can appreciate that everyone lays an egg once in a while. But to lay as many as Remington seems to lately, and then to basically not give two shiites when shown how badly their systems are broken, speaks to a much larger issue. It's a mindset. A relatively recent culture issue at Big Green. I bought another new 7600, this one in 308, because I needed ot for something specific. But I'll never buy another new Rem product. Anything I need with the Remington name on it will be brought home used. I won't put a dime in their pockets.
 
#27
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

The gun finally settled in to dime sized groups at 100 yards. But in a hunting situation there was no way to work the bolt in a reasonbly stealthy manner. It required alot of leverage.

I understand that the more of something a company produces, the more likley it is that bad ones slip through. But any company worth their salt would not put the responsibility of fixing the issues on the customer. And that probability is not reflected in the price to start with. Remington should appreciate the fact that a consmer thought enough of their product to spend hundreds of dollars on it, especially in todays economy.

When an issue arises, it should be fixed in a reasonable amount of time. I will be extremely hard pressed to buy another remington and this alone is the reason. I completely understand there will be defects. But I buy guns to use, not for the shear joy of ownership. Right now I can say I own a VTR, but do I have it to use? Burn me once, shame on you, burn me twice, shame on me. I have learned my lesson with Remingtons customer service policies. If I need a safe place to store money I will use my saving account. The Bank of Remington, "Spend your money with us and we will send you a usable product several weeks later, whether you like it or not". That is how it feels.

It is nonsense to not volunteer a refund for at least the shipping charges once a problem is confirmed. I could understand if they want to make sure there is in fact a problem before paying to ship a rifle somewhere. When a car breaks down under warranty, who should pay to have it towed?
 
#28
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

some rifles are just not put together right. and are crap. i have a 5r that shoots great and my buddy had one and would not holed worth a crap. he spent the cash on the tactical 700 and it was so bad he rebarreled it already. sucks that you got a bad one and had such a rough time getting it fixed. i wish you luck
 
#29
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: j-newton</div><div class="ubbcode-body">some rifles are just not put together right. and are crap. i have a 5r that shoots great and my buddy had one and would not holed worth a crap. he spent the cash on the tactical 700 and it was so bad he rebarreled it already. sucks that you got a bad one and <span style="font-weight: bold">had such a rough time getting it fixed</span>. i wish you luck </div></div>

It is not fixed yet. I have no clue when I will see that rifle again. And that is 95% of my frustration.
 
#30
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IT is manufacturing in mass quantities. There will be problems that slip through, mostly on Friday between 1400 and 1700 hrs.</div></div>

This is the sort of mindset that leads to the sort of issue described by the OP. As soon as anyone on that shop floor (or in management, for that matter) gets the idea in their head that defects are OK because "it's going to happen once in a while", things go to shit.

I've spend the last decade and a half working for manufacturers of components for land vehicles (mostly passenger car, with some military and heavy truck sprinkled in to keep things interesting). You gotta initiate every project with the idea that passing defects along to the customer is totally unacceptable. Any deviation from this mindset, and you better hope you have world-class customer service and very patient customers. I'd rather have great customer service that is virtually unknown 'cause no one ever has to use it. And when mistakes do happen (we're all human), it's absolutely mandatory that the inconvenience to the customer is minimized at any reasonable cost. You get functional product in their hands ASAP, and do not turn your problem into their problem.

From what I can see, Remington screwed up twice. They did not provide a functional product to their customer, and once the problem was found, they did not get a functional product to their customer as fast as humanly possible. And if this is a problem that has occurred previously with other customers, then there is a third screw-up in that a known problem was not avoided.

</rant>
 
#32
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

I just called Remington and the rifle has been logged into their system. I was informed it would be 6-8 weeks before they can get it on the bench to see what is wrong with it. I then asked for a refund and was told it will be the same amount of time.

How patient am I supposed to be considering I bought this firearm brand new?
 
#33
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

The problem is if you have only ever experienced an issue with one rifle manufacturer, then you may have a bit of a skewed view.

It's like when I come on here and hear all the "you should have bought a Savage" comments. Well I can tell you that "I" (not the internet) have seen issues with a very wide assortment of rifles, Savage included. They all turn out turds once in awhile and they all have design issues due to compromises in cost versus quality.

If you are not willing to deal with any of that, then you pony up the big dough and buy a rifle from a proven custom shop or a top tier manufacturer.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kdixer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How patient am I supposed to be considering I bought this firearm brand new? </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold"><saracsm></span>You should whine and scream and hollar, because that has a real good chance of getting you what you seek.<span style="font-weight: bold"></saracsm></span>
 
#34
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

Seeing and experienceing problems are 2 different things. I can watch and read about people having issues all day without getting worked up. But personally dropping several hundred dollars on anything and being told I have to patiently sit and wait on the useable product I paid for does not sit well. And who the manufacturer is makes no difference.
 
#35
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kdixer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> But personally <span style="font-weight: bold">dropping several hundred dollars</span> on anything and being told I have to patiently sit and wait on the useable product I paid for does not sit well. And who the manufacturer is makes no difference. </div></div>

Get out of the game now.

"Several Hundred" doesn't even scratch the surface for most of the rigs here. There are times when you may drop several thousand on something and it still isn't right.

Bitching on the web does little to fix the issue. Contacting Remington and bitching to them may get you a little closer to a resolution.
 
#36
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

I just do not understand the logic that a massive amount of money must be spent to recieve an "as advertised" product. Does this only apply to guns? If you were to trade for a brand new vehicle and it blows the engine a few miles from the car lot, and you were told that they might be able to get to it in a couple of months, what would your reaction be? And on top of that someone tells you that perhaps you should have sprung for a corvette instead of a low to mid $30,000 vehicle and maybe you would have got your moneys worth. Something tells me that it would not sit well with you either.

Remington does not advertise their products to be a sub par purchasing risk, nor do I necessarily think they are. But when something is wrong, it is wrong. No matter what the price tag is.

And you can take this as whining or however you wish to take it. But as the topic states, I am merely venting. It is not like I can show up at the plant and retrieve my gun, so this basically just serves as an outlet for my frustration.

I have read of several rigs on here starting life as an sps or other variation of a remington firearm with a 700 action. So I do not consider my purchase of the Remington 700 VTR to be a low budget gun. Everyone starts somewhere right? It is hard to build, or atleast alot more costly to build on a 700 action that is not machined right from the start.

I feel like I will eventually get it worked out. But the fact that there is so much repair work in line ahead of mine says something about the situation doesn't it?
 
#37
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[/quote]

Get out of the game now.

"Several Hundred" doesn't even scratch the surface for most of the rigs here. There are times when you may drop several thousand on something and it still isn't right.

Bitching on the web does little to fix the issue. Contacting Remington and bitching to them may get you a little closer to a resolution.</div></div>

Wow, I'm sure your condescending advice will help kdixer out immensely...

Just the idea of someone giving another person "advice" (and I use that LOOSELY) to "get out" of a shooting sport sickens me.

If anything we need more and more members filling our ranks.

Kdixer,
It does suck to spend your hard earned money (whether it be $500 or $5000...) on a product only to receive a turd in a box. Then to be side-lined for months waiting for the company, that you decided to support, just to look at it.


Keep us updated.

LB
 
#38
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMC LB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Wow, I'm sure your condescending advice will help kdixer out immensely...

Just the idea of someone giving another person "advice" (and I use that LOOSELY) to "get out" of a shooting sport sickens me.

If anything we need more and more members filling our ranks.
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Apparently you lack the ability to think critically. If you had that ability then you may have looked past one post and in your attempt to judge my stance on the shooting sports. Maybe you should have gone so far as to look at my post history (not count) or even visited my website or YouTube channel and seen my efforts to get new shooters into the sport.

Good on ya for being a dumbass. You will go far here.


 
#39
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The problem is if you have only ever experienced an issue with one rifle manufacturer, then you may have a bit of a skewed view.
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Well, if one manufacturer creates a defect and makes their customer wait 6-8 weeks for a repair, then that customer is indeed going to gain some experience with other brands in the very near future.
 
#41
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kdixer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just do not understand the logic that a massive amount of money must be spent to recieve an "as advertised" product. </div></div>

You and me both, dude.

I own weapons across a wide range of price points. Whether paying $400 or $4000, it is completely reasonable to expect that a firearm will met the basic functional requirements right out of the box. Anyone who wants to make excuses for anything but this level of expectation is simply enabling the behavior of manufacturers who wish to coast on reputation or "customer service". And do not underestimate the negative impact that this crap has on participation in the sport; most people do not have $700 to gamble with in the product-defect lottery, and instead will spend their money elsewhere.

In the industries in which I work, treating customers in the fashion that you have been treated is a really quick way to find out what it's like to have no customers at all.
 
#42
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

Worst CS in the business!
I had a similar experience. Bought a 700 SPS Tactical in 223. It would not chamber a round so I looked at the chamber job with my bore scope. Looked like it was put there with a chisel and hammer.
So I called Remington and got the "you will have to take it to one of our Authorized Repair Centers". I did and here's how that went:
Me: The barrel is bad because the chamber is not cut properly. This will have to go back to Remington."
Them: Did you buy it here?
Me: No.
Them: Minimum charge is $40 and it will be at least a month before "I" can look at it. (I took this to mean "Fuck you if you didn't buy it here!")
Me: It is brand new and was never even fired. Why $40?
Them: If you don't like it, drive 60 miles to the next closest ARC.
Me: Uh, well, you don't really need to know what was next.
I finally got the gun back and it was still shit. Junked the barrel and had a 223AI built on the action. Will not buy new Remington ever again.
 
#43
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
USMC LB said:
Apparently you lack the ability to think critically. If you had that ability then you may have looked past one post and in your attempt to judge my stance on the shooting sports. Maybe you should have gone so far as to look at my post history (not count) or even visited my website or YouTube channel and seen my efforts to get new shooters into the sport.

Good on ya for being a dumbass. You will go far here.


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Didn't take long for you to resort to name-calling...

I know who you are and I have seen your Youtube vids before. Heck, I just watched some last night! I really like them. Thats why my eyes crossed when I read your statement.

I am not attacking your stance on shooting sports just your negative statement you made to the OP.

Maybe I took it for negativity and that was not meant at all. The Internetz sucks for conversations.

LB

PS Semper Fi, Devil Dog
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#44
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

Im new here so don't want to step on anyones toes but just wanted to add this.

I don't understand why people get all up in arms when somone wants to vent a little anger with some same minded people about a problem they are having. Kdixer even clearly stated in his post that it was a sucky post and he was just venting, so why read it if you are going to get offended. I haven't been here long enough to say this is a common occurance here but have seen it on similar forums.

Yes I agree that this post doesn't really bring anything to the ballgame as far as shooting or bolt action rifles. Sometimes its nice just to vent a little and have people tell you that it suks and who knows mabye someone on here may have been able to give him a solution to the issue he was having.

I also agree that if I posted tomorrow that I just bought a savage and sent it to them to be fixed and they didn't fix it right there would be a bunch of people that said they had the same problem and now all they buy are remi. rifles. Maybe not, that is just speculation.

Well just wanted to add my opinion in here. Maybe they should make a spot specifically for this kind of thing, just a spot for venting or to gripe about an issue that doesn't really help anyone. I know I like to do a venting myself once and awhile

Once again sorry about the bad luck kdixer, I hope your issue gets fixed.
 
#46
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike Fletcher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">KDixer, How were you able to cycle a few hulls after you removed the extractor? </div></div>

I used empty hulls that had been shot in this particular gun. Like I said the hulls did not chamber hard. So a slight bump on the floor with the buttstock and the hull would fall out. When I tried it without the extractor I stopped when I started to feel heavy resistance so I would not get any brass stuck. I carefully pushed the first couple of empty hulls out with a cleaning rod but they came out so easy I switched to the floor bump method.

The bolt was still extremely hard to lock down without the extractor so that showed me the extractor was not the issue. When I paid close attention to the orientation of the brass and where the mark was in relation to the bolt face, the damage was on the opposite side of the hull than the extractor was on anyways.
 
#47
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

FWIW...

Hulls/Shells = Shotgun
Cases/Cartridges = Rifle

Not trying to be an ass, but proper nomenclature helps especially if you are trying to describe a malfunction. Reading "hulls" repeatedly is like fingernails on a chalkboard. I didn't point it out earlier because I was really hoping someone else would and I didn't want to appear to be "attacking" you.
 
#48
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Eric Bryant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The problem is if you have only ever experienced an issue with one rifle manufacturer, then you may have a bit of a skewed view.
</div></div>Well, if one manufacturer creates a defect and makes their customer wait 6-8 weeks for a repair, then that customer is indeed going to gain some experience with other brands in the very near future. </div></div>
Not for nothing, and though it isn't a "Remington" issue, the above statement is very prevailing. It is seeming that there are far too many incidents like this here, and other places. Myself with dealing with a 'huge' knife manufacturer and a 5 month wait. As seen here.

Looking forward to hearing how this pans out, as it seems to be 'wrong' from the get-go.
 
#49
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FWIW...

Hulls/Shells = Shotgun
Cases/Cartridges = Rifle

Not trying to be an ass, but proper nomenclature helps especially if you are trying to describe a malfunction. Reading "hulls" repeatedly is like fingernails on a chalkboard. I didn't point it out earlier because I was really hoping someone else would and I didn't want to appear to be "attacking" you. </div></div>

motor = electric
engine = internal combustion

Most people would have no problem following the context of the conversation.

example: "The motor blew up in my pickup yesterday."

Perhaps if I would have been educated on the proper terminology I could have fixed the barrel thingy to function like butter. No wait butter is for toast, not guns. Dang I suck at this.
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I am only kidding.
 
#50
Re: Not a good 1st post...but I need to vent. Remingt

kdixer are you familiar with the phrase "crap rolls downhill"? Then let's apply that concept here. I don't know who you've spoken with at Remington but if you are speaking with CS then you are dealing with non-decision makers and all they want to do is get you off the phone. Off the phone quick! They have little to no skin in the game. Try to get to the real decision makers like Ted Torbeck (CEO) or Steve Jackson (CFO). Odds are you won't get to speak with them but you may get their assistant. If you do get one of them or their assistants be courteous. Explain your issue and the steps you've taken, the gyrations and how you are being told you are now going to have to wait many more weeks. Ask if they can help you get a much faster resolution.
 
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