Open invitation to Wade2Big

[GreenGO Juan]

You cannot separate God from this discussion. That is also Not religion. Our country was founded on Godly principles and on the idea that Our Creator gives us certain rights, not man. Whatever your personal issue with God is, I truly hope and will pray that it gets worked out, but it doesn't have to color everything, and "religion " is not God.

Lol...

What do you think I’m broken or something because, you’re judging me like I’m somehow have a problem???

You are a perfect example of why we should not include religious beliefs, God whatever you wanna call it into politics because it’s exclusionary.

The problem is most people who are high on religion don’t see that. They are incapable of accepting that. Practice as you see fit... But keep it to yourself!

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Just wanted to add.

You know some of you quote the founding fathers like gospel. now it’s been brought up the idea of these rights coming from God. Well it was coming from the same men who owned slaves.
Where was their( slaves) God and their rights then?

Maybe they( founders) got a few things wrong that need to be changed and amended

 

[wade2big]

I don’t know that I 100% agree with all of Wades stuff but we tend to agree on a lot of things. And imo, he isnt 100% wrong about the current gov. You see, people like to blame just politicians all the time but it’s deeper than that. The entire system as a whole is corrupt. It’s nothing but self serving greed for the most part. I encourage anyone to talk to your local police, befriend them etc. they can explain a lot and frankly I don’t know how they maintain enough drive to continue to do their job. You see even locally, they don’t care about laws, they care about cash flow. The cops may go in thinking they are doing the right thing, they may want to do the right thing, but at some point will learn that the system they work for isn’t helping them in reality. What do I mean? Here is a couple of examples. A lot of counties will arrest guys, and let even murderers go on low bond, I’m told by friends in local LE. I’ve also heard on more than one occasion of a buddy of mine arresting the same creeps multiple times in one day. Does that sound like an org that is really upholding any laws and making a difference or does it sound more like someone making money every time someone is bonded out? Still confused? Asking yourself why the middle guy gets so much flak I the process while the rich and low income walk free? Because the rich guy has enough to pay off the right people and the low income guy they make so little off of they just keep letting them out to make as much as they can off of them every time they are brought it. They don’t want to keep them in jail because that costs money, not makes them money. See, they make the most off of the middle guy in the chain, the law abiding that they try to stick something stupid to and actually enforce on him, but won’t for the rich or the low income. Does that sound anywhere like a fair justice system? No, it’s all about money.

They don’t even fine or do anything to most people that lie to the cops, have stolen tags, don’t have auto insurance, etc. see the avg every day Officer that’s been on the job awhile doesn’t care about those things, unless it’s one of the likely middle class guys that they can make some money off of. If they are lucky, they may pass up the middle class guy without a valid tag or insurance to as they are after bigger fish and have likely been told as such by their superiors. No for the most part, they let a lot of things slide on the daily. How do I know this happens? Because I know lots of people in LE and I’ve seen it with my own eyes. Which begs the question, if nobody is going to enforce all laws equally, then why have laws at all? Serious question. I like having police and laws but if the police aren’t enforcing them and doing them correctly across the board then why have them? When normal people that do all they can to play by the rules see such things, they begin to scratch their heads and ask why they continue to play by the rules. This is serious business because of enough of the rule followers start thinking this way then we are gonna have a problem at some point. Once again, laws only apply to those willing to follow them and I see a whole lot of people that’s always done the right thing, starting to get screwed by the system that are now asking themselves why they play along. I don’t know of a perfect form of gov, I don’t know how you can carry out all laws justly, but what we currently have is failing.

Its the same for the public (government) schools. Most schools masked children not for their health but for the tax money. Any parent that went to a school board meeting before school started in 2020 understands what I mean. I motherfucked mine to death and pulled my children out.

Governmental departments are rewarded with higher budgets and pay raises for the employees for incompetence and/or deliberate malpractice. Bad behavior and/or bad performance is rewarded generously in the government sector. Blown budgets begets larger budgets next year. This is the exact opposite of the private sector and why government will always be corrupt unless those involved are held to extreme standards. This can only happen with a severely shrunken and limited government. The less government departments and employees there are, the more accountable the individuals will become. A man that works in government should be hung immediately if found guilty of intentional waste, fraud, or malfeasance. Lets make it happen Yo!

 

[wade2big]

But is the only option "completely reverse this atrocity " or " do nothing and watch it burn" ????

Isn't another option also to make some changes and get things back to the point where we actually vote and those votes matter, then.... be able to have a TEA party type movement and get some things in place like term limits for example, or No lobbying after serving in office, or many other things suggested ITT???

I'm not pretending that the situation is better than it is, but I also just don't believe that all out revolution or doing nothing is the only options. IF....(big if I know), we could get on the same page with an agenda and execute that locally, and then statewide, then nationally, like the tea party did, and make it have a backbone, we could do something like a tax strike, or similar, and with an open and honest Twitter, it could definitely be done, or a "no unfair taxes" ect movement.

I think what you laid out is ideal but not possible. The fed is gone. Completely weaponized especially after the fraudulent election. You do realize the federal government is unconstitutional don’t you? Do you acknowledge the US has an illegal president who appointed nearly 100 federal judges and a supreme court justice? How can a fraudelent illegal president possibly legally nominate judges and how can the legislative branch seat unconstitutional judges as a result? Do you think the fraud started and stopped with just the presidency or has the dynamics of congress also tampered with? Name me one state legislature or governor that is refusing to work with the unconstitutional federal gov’t? Which county sheriff or city police chief is refusing to work with or assist the fraudulent federal government’s hired guns such as the ATF, FBI, DEA, etc?

All three branches of the federal gov’t are now unconstitutional. All 50 states acknowledge, cooperate, and otherwise work hand in hand with an unconstitutional federal gov’t. No LEO in any capacity is willing to tell the federal thug LEO to leave or be arrested on site.

The WHOLE gov at every level and any and all gov employees are working against your interest regardless of their individual thoughts and feelings and I clearly showed why that is. We ain’t voting our way out of this my friend.

 

[The D]

But is the only option "completely reverse this atrocity " or " do nothing and watch it burn" ????

Isn't another option also to make some changes and get things back to the point where we actually vote and those votes matter, then.... be able to have a TEA party type movement and get some things in place like term limits for example, or No lobbying after serving in office, or many other things suggested ITT???

I'm not pretending that the situation is better than it is, but I also just don't believe that all out revolution or doing nothing is the only options. IF....(big if I know), we could get on the same page with an agenda and execute that locally, and then statewide, then nationally, like the tea party did, and make it have a backbone, we could do something like a tax strike, or similar, and with an open and honest Twitter, it could definitely be done, or a "no unfair taxes" ect movement.

This thread is about everyone’s ideal endpoint for the country, so of course there will be a bunch of arguing

There are definitely baby steps to start with. There’s an economist named Hans-Hermann Hoppe that laid out a game plan for this in the 90’s. It’s essentially a plan to influence small town sheriffs and mayors to gradually lower taxes and generally lessen the impact of gov oversight. It’s a great read

What Must Be Done | Mises Institute

How should anarcho-capitalists engage the modern state? Hans-Hermann Hoppe dissects the nature of the modern democratic state and suggests strategies for

mises.org

And a speech he gave about it

 

[Darayavaus]

Just wanted to add.

You know some of you quote the founding fathers like gospel. now it’s been brought up the idea of these rights coming from God. Well it was coming from the same men who owned slaves.
Where was their( slaves) God and their rights then?

Maybe they( founders) got a few things wrong that need to be changed and amended

you get the special "blame the dead white guys" medal from the Soros Jugend for bringing that up, young activist.

 

[Maggot]

On the property voting thing no. Cant agree.

If welfare recipients cant vote then neither should anyone else who profits off ANY government money. It creates the same issue, voting to pad your wallet, they are just jumping through a hoop to get it. Like an Animal at the circus.

On the property rights question you sent back at me. I personally believe we should do away with property taxes. Property taxes in this country were first used during war time to fund the building of military equipment. Then in 1916 it was inacted and never went away and people just went along with it. The USA have slowly been more heavily taxed to the point that you no longer own your land. You are basically a renter. Which I personally feel is wrong.

On to income tax. Same deal. Since 1909 this country has been paying income taxes which has bloated the government. This too is wrong.

People who continue to pay these ignorant fee’s are the ones creating this monster. You are the ones funding it... STOP! If everyone person in this country stopped paying income and property taxes, this out of control government would cease to function. Sadly you greedy fucks like shiny things a keep buying a bunch of shit you dont really need, constantly funding the banks and big government. Taking out loans to buy homes and cars so you can pay interest and tax fee’s. YOU ARE THE MOTHER FUCKERS FUNDING THIS BLOATED EXCUSE OF A GOVERNMENT !!! STOP DOING IT. But they got you with that carrot on a stick...

Yet instead of rallying together and doing something about it, people like Wade and many other cry and bitch about but never offer any solution to how to solve the problem. STOP GIVING THESE RICH ASSHOLES Treasure.

Rally together and fuck paying taxes, enough people do this. No tax revenue no government leaches get paid.

Its really that simple. @wade2big. It’s been funny watching you run your idealistic mouth but never offer any sort of a solution to all your complaints, yet you yourself are likely responsible for the bloated government through funding.

Agreed, but do you pay taxes. I do. Partly because I dont want to go to the big house but also because I support 'some of whats done' with the money.

Highways-Slowly failing because of lying shitbag politicians

Great military-Slowly failing because of lying shitbag politicians

-Education system-Slowly failing because of lying shitbag politicians and commie fucks polluting it. Before you say 'indoctrination centers' have you ever been to a really rural, or inner city ghetto area with shitty schools? I have, its embarrassing the level of stupidity and ignorance poor education fosters. Some barely speak English.

-Utilities- Its nice to have hot water for a shower, ya know...and not to have to walk 199 yds to the outhouse, risking the bite of a spider on yur dick, just to take a shit. Again, Slowly failing because of lying shitbag politicians

Its not the system, its the turds polluting it that are the problem. The Wadester just cant seem to get that one. The trouble is, that even if we replaced them all today, in 10 years it would be just as fucked up because....human nature.

 

[Maggot]

I have given the same solution about 20 times over multiple threads over the last few months. I explained what I think is the only path forward. What needs to be done is the easy part. Convincing others of it is not. I can’t even convince people that the government has been murdering hundreds of thousands if not millions over the last couple years. They have to get mad first.

Do you want me to post it for the 21st time? If so you will have to change your asshole tone when/if you ask.

I havent seen you post a solution, just rhetoric which you wont live up to.

DO YOU PAY TAXES?

 

[Maggot]

People in large enough groups would have to refuse government authority in its entirety. Ignore “their” rules, regulations, licenses, permits, fines, taxes, and most importantly their police while looking out and protecting family, friends, and community. The whole thing is rotten and all of it has to be ignored. This can be peacefully done. If gov sends their police against you then men have a natural right to defend their lives and those around them. Gov and its thugs would be the aggressors.

This is what I think is the only path forward. Getting people on board is the major hurdle to overcome and to this I have no answer and if I did it would probably get me swatted by those that swore an oath to serve and protect gov’t.

Fair enough.

Have you done what youre suggesting. Im guessing a big negatory because if you had you wouldnt be posting here you'd be in some government shithole prison. Nice words, you'll never get that many people in line, at least not until we're being herded into cattle cars, and then it will be too late.

Lets face it, there is no real
anarchistic solution because as most of us have agreed, once two people start making agreements on how things are to be done, thats government, and given human nature, as it expands, it will follow the same course.

The only realistic solution I can conceive is not one that any human can pull off. Only the next coming of Christ will present a permanent solution and thats out or our hands. for now Im just going to tend to my business and be thankful Im fucking old and wont be here much longer to endure the shitstorm on the horizon.

 

[Maggot]

there's always that one guy who weighs in on the social contract and foundations of American government, but they've never read the Declaration.....or the Federalist Papers.....or the Anti-Federalist Papers.....or Locke......or Hobbes.....or any of the enlightenment philosophers that inspired our founding fathers......nor even Tocqueville.....

I ahve but its been nearly 30 years so Im not sharp on it, but yes.

Heres a Maggot philosophical quote that got me near blacklisted when I studied philosophy at Mr. Jefferson's University. An expansion of one of his quotes-

"Knowledge may be power, but power without WISDOM is folly." Be sure to footnote if you quote.

 

[wade2big]

@Maggot, read post 221. Do you think I gave a fair description of events or did I make it up? Our perspectives may be vastly different if you don’t see what I do. Many of us aren’t old men such as yourself and paved highways which is your largest concern considering how many times you bring it up, is not even a valid concern to those of us with young children. If you disagree with what is in that post then I can see where you are coming from when you shrug your shoulders and basically say shit happens and just take it.

 

[Maggot]

@Maggot, read post 221. Do you think I gave a fair description of events or did I make it up? Our perspectives may be vastly different if you don’t see what I do. Many of us aren’t old men such as yourself and paved highways which is your largest concern considering how many times you bring it up, is not even a valid concern to those of us with young children. If you disagree with what is in that post then I can see where you are coming from when you shrug your shoulders and basically say shit happens and just take it.

So you want your children to ride on highways that can collapse like the one in upstate NY, or the I 40 bridge in Memphis that was about to fail? On shcool busses that run with bald tires.

You say I 'just take it' but I say Ive learned to pick my battles. But before you look down your nose at me for 'taking it' answer this question with a yes or no.

Do you pay taxes?

Yes or No.

If yes, youre a hypocrite.

Yes or no., Wade, yes or no.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

Lol...

What do you think I’m broken or something because, you’re judging me like I’m somehow have a problem???

You are a perfect example of why we should not include religious beliefs, God whatever you wanna call it into politics because it’s exclusionary.

The problem is most people who are high on religion don’t see that. They are incapable of accepting that. Practice as you see fit... But keep it to yourself!

Everyone can see that you have an issue, because you make an issue where there isn't one so often. You keep conflating "religion" with God also, so I'm pointing out that the two are not the same. It's not a matter of "what we should include or not" , its a fact that the founders believed in God and believed that God has granted all men certain rights, that cannot be taken away by man, because they are not given by man. You don't have to like it, but just because you have an issue, doesn't change this fact. I didn't say anything about religion, you are the one who continually tries to conflate your issues with God into something to do with religion.

 

[n2ishun]

So it's become philosophical semantics now ?
Oh, with a smear of religion mixed in.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

I think what you laid out is ideal but not possible. The fed is gone. Completely weaponized especially after the fraudulent election. You do realize the federal government is unconstitutional don’t you? Do you acknowledge the US has an illegal president who appointed nearly 100 federal judges and a supreme court justice? How can a fraudelent illegal president possibly legally nominate judges and how can the legislative branch seat unconstitutional judges as a result? Do you think the fraud started and stopped with just the presidency or has the dynamics of congress also tampered with? Name me one state legislature or governor that is refusing to work with the unconstitutional federal gov’t? Which county sheriff or city police chief is refusing to work with or assist the fraudulent federal government’s hired guns such as the ATF, FBI, DEA, etc?

All three branches of the federal gov’t are now unconstitutional. All 50 states acknowledge, cooperate, and otherwise work hand in hand with an unconstitutional federal gov’t. No LEO in any capacity is willing to tell the federal thug LEO to leave or be arrested on site.

The WHOLE gov at every level and any and all gov employees are working against your interest regardless of their individual thoughts and feelings and I clearly showed why that is. We ain’t voting our way out of this my friend.

I'm inclined to agree with you on pretty much all of this, and I don't think that simply voting our way out is possible. What I'm saying is that we can vote our way out at the local and the state level. Once we do that in a large number of states, then we can get rid of a good amount of the corrupt. Just imagine what Trump could have done had he known then what he knows now + had state reps actually helping? I admit it's a very very tall order, but the alternative is horrible. Local and state power is where it's at, but if it comes down to deciding where my loyalties truly reside, I can assure you that I am willing and able. I don't want my children to go theough what comes after this stage in all democratic societies, and I can also improve my life, prospects and my children's future by acting locally and getting good men in local positions, to then get good men in state positions.

A convention of the states is a real possibility, and one that could implement such huge things such as term limits ect....

 

[wade2big]

So you want your children to ride on highways that can collapse like the one in upstate NY, or the I 40 bridge in Memphis that was about to fail? On shcool busses that run with bald tires.

You say I 'just take it' but I say Ive learned to pick my battles. But before you look down your nose at me for 'taking it' answer this question with a yes or no.

Do you pay taxes?

Yes or No.

If yes, youre a hypocrite.

Yes or no., Wade, yes or no.

I’ve already said many times even a few times directly to you. Yes I hand over my money because LEO will show up at my house 12 deep, kill me and take all my shit leaving my wife and kids with nothing. Its the same reason everyone does. This doesn’t make me a hypocrite in the least although your small brain may not be able to comprehend the difference. I would be a hypocrite if I ushered people to do things I hadn’t or won’t. Stating my thoughts and opinions on a subject is not that in the least. Paying taxes is not a voluntary action like taking a gov job to benefit off the armed robbery of the productive citizenry, the worst one being an LEO who commits violence which gives gov ALL its power over others.

You and I have been back and forth on numerous topics and you have yet to answer one single question of mine. What do you think about post #221 and I’m adding in #257? Does my view of current affairs differ from yours? I’m not asking what to do about it or anything of that nature. In these two posts I described how I see things. Where am I wrong or do you agree?

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Agreed, but do you pay taxes.

Yes, nearly everyone does in some forum. But at the same time loose lips sink ships and I plead da 5th!

What I am suggesting as far as my proposed no unfair tax revolt would require a majority to say no. Not just a few, I am talking at least 100,000,000 us citizens. And not the poors, the middle and upper middle class and maybe a few real rich people, not the German rich, like owning a yacht money

Many of the things you (maggot) mentioned have massive unneeded waste. I don’t disagree. Government is bloated with waste and drunk on power.

 

[Maggot]

I’ve already said many times even a few times directly to you. Yes I hand over my money because LEO will show up at my house 12 deep, kill me and take all my shit leaving my wife and kids with nothing. Its the same reason everyone does. This doesn’t make me a hypocrite in the least although your small brain may not be able to comprehend the difference. I would be a hypocrite if I ushered people to do things I hadn’t or won’t. Stating my thoughts and opinions on a subject is not that in the least. Paying taxes is not a voluntary action like taking a gov job to benefit off the armed robbery of the productive citizenry, the worst one being an LEO who commits violence which gives gov ALL its power over others.

You and I have been back and forth on numerous topics and you have yet to answer one single question of mine. What do you think about post #221 and I’m adding in #257? Does my view of current affairs differ from yours? I’m not asking what to do about it or anything of that nature. In these two posts I described how I see things. Where am I wrong or do you agree?

I (mostly) agree. Its a bloated system run by greedy fucks. Where we diverge is that it doesnt make the system corrupt in and of itself. That lies with those administrating it.

The system is no more right or wrong than a gun. Its the human using it (or abusing it). No ideology or system, democratic, republic, or other ever did anything by itself. Its THE PEOPLE RUNNING IT.

If you could see and admit that we would come a long way in understanding.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Everyone can see that you have an issue, because you make an issue where there isn't one so often. You keep conflating "religion" with God also, so I'm pointing out that the two are not the same. It's not a matter of "what we should include or not" , its a fact that the founders believed in God and believed that God has granted all men certain rights, that cannot be taken away by man, because they are not given by man. You don't have to like it, but just because you have an issue, doesn't change this fact. I didn't say anything about religion, you are the one who continually tries to conflate your issues with God into something to do with religion.

Are you really going to sit here and separate the belief in god and religion and then tell me I have a problem... that a bold strategy cotton... You are welcome to think as you do.

My point God, Religion what ever you want to label it, has no place in Government in a multi cultural nation like the United States.

And thank you for the kind Prayers in your previous post. But me and the supreme being are tight as fuck. Regardless of your Preconceived notions about what I believe

 

[wade2big]

I (mostly) agree. Its a bloated system run by greedy fucks. Where we diverge is that it doesnt make the system corrupt in and of itself. That lies with those administrating it.

The system is no more right or wrong than a gun. Its the human using it (or abusing it). No ideology or system, democratic, republic, or other ever did anything by itself. Its THE PEOPLE RUNNING IT.

If you could see and admit that we would come a long way in understanding.

Of course it’s people. I am assuming some semblance of thinking on the other end of the computer.

I don’t think you understand the depth of government bureaucracy. There are hundreds of governing bodies with criminal marxists scattered throughout. One man or even a small group cannot overcome this. You saw a perfect example when Trump was chewed up and spit out by the spider web of corruption. The covid hoax was another clear example of the spider web created that ultimately cost many their livelihoods and many others their lives. Look how many governing bodies and people were involved in both these scandals.

 

[Makinchips208]

Of course it’s people. I am assuming some semblance of thinking on the other end of the computer.

I don’t think you understand the depth of government bureaucracy. There are hundreds of governing bodies with criminal marxists scattered throughout. One man or even a small group cannot overcome this. You saw a perfect example when Trump was chewed up and spit out by the spider web of corruption. The covid hoax was another clear example of the spider web created that ultimately cost many their livelihoods and many others their lives. Look how many governing bodies and people were involved in both these scandals.

And when trump was in office I think we got a glimpse of how deep that corruption is. The leaks, the problems people caused. Quite disgusting.

 

[Maggot]

Of course it’s people. I am assuming some semblance of thinking on the other end of the computer.

I don’t think you understand the depth of government bureaucracy. There are hundreds of governing bodies with criminal marxists scattered throughout. One man or even a small group cannot overcome this. You saw a perfect example when Trump was chewed up and spit out by the spider web of corruption. The covid hoax was another clear example of the spider web created that ultimately cost many their livelihoods and many others their lives. Look how many governing bodies and people were involved in both these scandals.

Then if you admit its the people, not the system, that shows that Ive been right from the beginning as thats all Ive been trying to point out to your narrow mind.

I win.

Now stop bitching about the system. It cant be fixed because its run by filthy people who only want power and control.Im neither Remember the old saying "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome." Im neither insane, nor stupid. Changing people wont do a thing. Only changing human nature will make a true change and neither you, nor I, nor any other person can do that. Knowing that isnt giving in, nor resigning, its recognizing the truth. If you want to keep banging your head against the inevitable, expecting a different outcome, be insane, Have fun. I have better things to do than waste my time trying to reason with insanity.

 

[orkan]

But me and the supreme being are tight as fuck.

Might want to see Him and His Word for a brush up on what He considers acceptable among His people. I hope to spend the rest of my life brushing up on it too. It's OK to need a refresher.

The farther this country gets from God, the worse it gets. It's historical fact by now. Every country that has gone against Him has failed. You want to remove Him from how the country is run, and its clear the majority of people want to remove Him as well. You're getting what you want. However, a quick glance through Revelation will tell you how it's going to go for those found to be pushing Him away and treating others how people are.

8 people on the Ark. 144,000 in Revelation, out of how many billion? That's it. Narrow is the path, and most won't be on it. That's what is written.

This is an interesting time. It's like the entire world was on the Titanic, and it's already sunk. Everyone has their own personal life boat, (Jesus) but the people in the water about to drown (burn in hell forever) are busy shouting at those in the boats about how they are fine on their own without their boat, and everyone in their boat is somehow wrong.

Ok. Do it your way. You can have victory. Take it. I give it willingly. I'm sad about it, but it's not for me to save those that don't want to be saved. I can't even save those that want to be saved. I can just direct them to the one that saves.

 

[wade2big]

Then if you admit its the people, not the system, that shows that Ive been right from the beginning as thats all Ive been trying to point out to your narrow mind.

I win.

Now stop bitching about the system. It cant be fixed because its run by filthy people who only want power and control.Im neither Remember the old saying "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome." Im neither insane, nor stupid. Changing people wont do a thing. Only changing human nature will make a true change and neither you, nor I, nor any other person can do that. Knowing that isnt giving in, nor resigning, its recognizing the truth. If you want to keep banging your head against the inevitable, expecting a different outcome, be insane, Have fun. I have better things to do than waste my time trying to reason with insanity.

My goodness you are dumb. No doubt left in my mind. Now that for sure I can move on.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Agreed, but do you pay taxes. I do. Partly because I dont want to go to the big house but also because I support 'some of whats done' with the money.

Highways-Slowly failing because of lying shitbag politicians

Great military-Slowly failing because of lying shitbag politicians

-Education system-Slowly failing because of lying shitbag politicians and commie fucks polluting it. Before you say 'indoctrination centers' have you ever been to a really rural, or inner city ghetto area with shitty schools? I have, its embarrassing the level of stupidity and ignorance poor education fosters. Some barely speak English.

-Utilities- Its nice to have hot water for a shower, ya know...and not to have to walk 199 yds to the outhouse, risking the bite of a spider on yur dick, just to take a shit. Again, Slowly failing because of lying shitbag politicians

Its not the system, its the turds polluting it that are the problem. The Wadester just cant seem to get that one. The trouble is, that even if we replaced them all today, in 10 years it would be just as fucked up because....human nature.

So, what’s the solution?

Fair enough.

Have you done what youre suggesting. Im guessing a big negatory because if you had you wouldnt be posting here you'd be in some government shithole prison. Nice words, you'll never get that many people in line, at least not until we're being herded into cattle cars, and then it will be too late.

Lets face it, there is no real
anarchistic solution because as most of us have agreed, once two people start making agreements on how things are to be done, thats government, and given human nature, as it expands, it will follow the same course.

The only realistic solution I can conceive is not one that any human can pull off. Only the next coming of Christ will present a permanent solution and thats out or our hands. for now Im just going to tend to my business and be thankful Im fucking old and wont be here much longer to endure the shitstorm on the horizon.

Never mind, I tend to agree.

I'm inclined to agree with you on pretty much all of this, and I don't think that simply voting our way out is possible. What I'm saying is that we can vote our way out at the local and the state level. Once we do that in a large number of states, then we can get rid of a good amount of the corrupt. Just imagine what Trump could have done had he known then what he knows now + had state reps actually helping? I admit it's a very very tall order, but the alternative is horrible. Local and state power is where it's at, but if it comes down to deciding where my loyalties truly reside, I can assure you that I am willing and able. I don't want my children to go theough what comes after this stage in all democratic societies, and I can also improve my life, prospects and my children's future by acting locally and getting good men in local positions, to then get good men in state positions.

A convention of the states is a real possibility, and one that could implement such huge things such as term limits ect....

Likely gonna wind up having to be Sri Lanka.

 

[Maggot]

My goodness you are dumb. No doubt left in my mind. Now that for sure I can move on.

And youre an embarrassment to all of us. Now, because of your ignorance, youre on ignore.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Might want to see Him and His Word for a brush up on what He considers acceptable among His people. I hope to spend the rest of my life brushing up on it too. It's OK to need a refresher.

The farther this country gets from God, the worse it gets. It's historical fact by now. Every country that has gone against Him has failed. You want to remove Him from how the country is run, and its clear the majority of people want to remove Him as well. You're getting what you want. However, a quick glance through Revelation will tell you how it's going to go for those found to be pushing Him away and treating others how people are.

8 people on the Ark. 144,000 in Revelation, out of how many billion? That's it. Narrow is the path, and most won't be on it. That's what is written.

This is an interesting time. It's like the entire world was on the Titanic, and it's already sunk. Everyone has their own personal life boat, (Jesus) but the people in the water about to drown (burn in hell forever) are busy shouting at those in the boats about how they are fine on their own without their boat, and everyone in their boat is somehow wrong.

Ok. Do it your way. You can have victory. Take it. I give it willingly. I'm sad about it, but it's not for me to save those that don't want to be saved. I can't even save those that want to be saved. I can just direct them to the one that saves.

You sound semi psychotic.

Please don’t include me in your delusions of grandeur

 

[Jgault]

Well said, its kind of damned if you do and damned if you dont. Without a Federal Government there would be no DDE interstate highway system, no strong military to keep the commies at bay, no National Park system like the one I just found, the Wachita National Game Preserve.

On the other hand there would be no Pedo Joe or Kamaltoe.

The fact is maggot and wade are both right, just in a matter of degrees. Yes Wade is correct local governments are more efficient and the larger they become the more corrupt and generally useless they are. The problem with this thought process is it’s the equivalent of writing a poker manual assuming every hand your dealt will be 4 aces, it completely ignores the fact we have a hundred million plus people living in large cities, and unless we plan on marching them into commercial ovens they will require large governments that will be corrupt and inefficient compared to their smaller counterparts.

Maggot is right that we have to have some kind of federal apparatus for a military, highways, ect. The issue is the federal government taking more power from local governments almost daily, with a large portion of the federal government being unelected and beholden to no one but themselves. The interstate commerce clause(one of the most destructive things we’ve done to our own country up there with the firearms act) gives the federal government the ability to use the clause like a club and beat states and anyone else into submission over anything it deems interstate commerce, which is basically everything.

The only solution to this mess is to severely limit the federal governments powers and taxing ability, and return said taxes and powers back to the states, while at the same time forcing the states to return the taxes and powers to local jurisdictions, the balance of power should be the weakest at the top and the most powerful at the bottom, it’s not as easy to screw over someone you have to run into in town a few days a week. The most intelligent thing we could do is delete every federal law and regulation except the constitution and start over, not to mention by returning the taxing authority to the states we would immediately eliminate enough federal waste to most likely balance the budget. Yes we do have to have a government, but since the constitution was written we have reversed the power structure of a bottom up government that the founding fathers intended, and they had it right to begin with.

The reality is the federal government cannot continue on its current trajectory, and a country where 35% of its citizens are in constant warfare with the other 35% with 30% changing their minds daily cannot survive. The best description I’ve read is if tomorrow we confiscated all the worlds currency(every dollar, pound, euro, peso ect) we still couldn’t pay off our debt including unfunded liabilities. When the federal government goes bankrupt and it will we will have to choose between socialism or our founding government framework, this hybrid monstrosity we currently have is untenable.

 

[sharac]

Typical western approach - treat the consequence not the source. You were fucked by subversion that gained real traction in 60ies and culminated in last years where even simple things like being confused about a wiener and pinky hole is normal instead of a sign of mental disorder. So is it a system or people? Both as system was subverted long before people were (railroad tycoons, fucking farmers, civil war etc…) however what i noticed with “old farts” is they cannot wrap their head around that their comfy life was an illusion and that system they so cherish is working against them so they take comfort in “people and younger generations” are fucked and system is inherently good. Bullshit all policies and subversions were allowed and enabled by 45-60ies generations brats being spoiled by their parents after war and trading comfort for morals. Argument luckily im too old to see world fucked and taking comfort in is really rubbing it in and extremely dumb if one has offsprings. Typical selfishness that brought us to this degeneracy of society. Unlimited and unchecked pursuit of personal happiness that is equated with amount of material things one can hoard for oneself.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

So, what’s the solution?


Never mind, I tend to agree.


Likely gonna wind up having to be Sri Lanka.

Maybe so, thats probably a best case scenario honestly. The difference for us is that we have states and the states are set up to have the most authority. If we can take our respective states back, at least enough of them to matter, the states can re establish what the founders established with federal authority. That could happen before or after a great collapse. Obviously, that's less likely than not but it is possible.

 

[sharac]

And you think “north” will sit idly by not reacting to 90% of what really matters wants to go on its own? Look at Russia’s economy post sanctions its exactly what would/will happen in the US. On paper (pun intended) Cali, NY are top GDP
states but metrics are flawed as Hollywierd and investment/services are not what really matters at least not in environment when basic necessities are not in abundant supply. What do you think happens to Nappa valley when faggots in SF run out of food…

 

[Maser]

 

[37L1]

Typical western approach - treat the consequence not the source. You were fucked by subversion that gained real traction in 60ies and culminated in last years where even simple things like being confused about a wiener and pinky hole is normal instead of a sign of mental disorder. So is it a system or people? Both as system was subverted long before people were (railroad tycoons, fucking farmers, civil war etc…) however what i noticed with “old farts” is they cannot wrap their head around that their comfy life was an illusion and that system they so cherish is working against them so they take comfort in “people and younger generations” are fucked and system is inherently good. Bullshit all policies and subversions were allowed and enabled by 45-60ies generations brats being spoiled by their parents after war and trading comfort for morals. Argument luckily im too old to see world fucked and taking comfort in is really rubbing it in and extremely dumb if one has offsprings. Typical selfishness that brought us to this degeneracy of society. Unlimited and unchecked pursuit of personal happiness that is equated with amount of material things one can hoard for oneself.

You should just kill yourself. Why live another hopeless miserable day?

How the Hell do some of you even get up in the morning?

Oh, I know, you have to take a shit.

 

[Maggot]

The fact is maggot and wade are both right, just in a matter of degrees. Yes Wade is correct local governments are more efficient and the larger they become the more corrupt and generally useless they are. The problem with this thought process is it’s the equivalent of writing a poker manual assuming every hand your dealt will be 4 aces, it completely ignores the fact we have a hundred million plus people living in large cities, and unless we plan on marching them into commercial ovens they will require large governments that will be corrupt and inefficient compared to their smaller counterparts.

Maggot is right that we have to have some kind of federal apparatus for a military, highways, ect. The issue is the federal government taking more power from local governments almost daily, with a large portion of the federal government being unelected and beholden to no one but themselves. The interstate commerce clause(one of the most destructive things we’ve done to our own country up there with the firearms act) gives the federal government the ability to use the clause like a club and beat states and anyone else into submission over anything it deems interstate commerce, which is basically everything.

The only solution to this mess is to severely limit the federal governments powers and taxing ability, and return said taxes and powers back to the states, while at the same time forcing the states to return the taxes and powers to local jurisdictions, the balance of power should be the weakest at the top and the most powerful at the bottom, it’s not as easy to screw over someone you have to run into in town a few days a week. The most intelligent thing we could do is delete every federal law and regulation except the constitution and start over, not to mention by returning the taxing authority to the states we would immediately eliminate enough federal waste to most likely balance the budget. Yes we do have to have a government, but since the constitution was written we have reversed the power structure of a bottom up government that the founding fathers intended, and they had it right to begin with.

The reality is the federal government cannot continue on its current trajectory, and a country where 35% of its citizens are in constant warfare with the other 35% with 30% changing their minds daily cannot survive. The best description I’ve read is if tomorrow we confiscated all the worlds currency(every dollar, pound, euro, peso ect) we still couldn’t pay off our debt including unfunded liabilities. When the federal government goes bankrupt and it will we will have to choose between socialism or our founding government framework, this hybrid monstrosity we currently have is untenable.

Youre basically correct.

The difference in Wade and myself is that I can admit it but he can only see his way. What I really wonder about is why Wade comes to this site at all. Ive never seen him post in any of the shooting forums (I dont post in a lot of them but do on occasion, and I do shoot medium if not long range and do a lot of pistol shooting), never seen him post anything but his own narrow, hate filled, little monotribe. Its as bad as the lefts "Orangeman Bad" chant. That gets really old and monotonous quick. He reminds me of a couple others who fortunately are no longer here who never posted anything but hate filled crap to stir the shit pot. This reminds me of Wade...and is why I put him on ignore. You cant reason with stupid.

 

[sharac]

You should just kill yourself. Why live another hopeless miserable day?

How the Hell do some of you even get up in the morning?

Oh, I know, you have to take a shit.

Project much? Why would you assume “knowing” the truth or having pessimistic (i would call it realistic and others “sticking head up own ass and hoping to see rainbows”) world view would cause someone to be suicidal? Homicidal sure but suicidal def. not…

 

[wade2big]

We can all debate what would be best and ideal all day long but it’s not reality. I laid out reality in posts #221 and #257 and so far nobody has come out in disagreement. All but the most hardcore statists should be disgusted with the physical, financial, and psychological attacks on the people of this country and the world alike. This is far more important and pressing than the difference between me thinking we are where we are because of large overbearing gov’t and others believing we are where we are in spite of it. Either way the end game is the same and our children aren’t going to have a chance if we let it go.

 

[37L1]

Project much? Why would you assume “knowing” the truth or having pessimistic (i would call it realistic and others “sticking head up own ass and hoping to see rainbows”) world view would cause someone to be suicidal? Homicidal sure but suicidal def. not…

So there is hope to keep you going? Imagine that. . .
Stop blaming your fate on previous generation(s) as if you have no hand in it yourself. Quit your useless bitching and try to do something about it, even if it's just a small thing that seems of no consequence at the moment (or ever). Don't be defeated.

There are no free rides No one said it'd be easy
The old man told me this my son I'm telling it to you

You are young and you are the future
So suck it up and tough it out
And be the best you can

John Mellencamp "Minutes to Memories"

 

[TicTacTex]

This thread is off the rails.

Bottom line is, Wade is right, and if you disagree, then you can’t see the forest for the trees. But that’s just my opinion.

God I love the internet.

 

[Maggot]

This thread is off the rails.

Bottom line is, Wade is right, and if you disagree, then you can’t see the forest for the trees. But that’s just my opinion.

God I love the internet.

Bottom line is that Wade is an narrow minded individual who, while partly right, cant see past his own attitude to get to the real bottom line.

 

[Maser]

This thread is off the rails.

Bottom line is, Wade is right, and if you disagree, then you can’t see the forest for the trees. But that’s just my opinion.

God I love the internet.

Off the rails? Can't see the forest for the trees? Sounds to me you got an identity problem and can't decide whether you're cosplaying as Ozzy Osbourne or Marilyn Manson today.

 

[TicTacTex]

I’ll repeat, God I love the internet.

 

[Maggot]

I’ll repeat, God I love the internet.

God Bless the internet

 

[ken226]

Are @wade2big, @TurboTrout and @DarnYankeeUSMC the same person, posting under 3 different accounts? One acct for each alter ego?



Because, when I'm scanning through threads I can always tell, without looking, that it's one of those three within reading a few lines of text. I gotta look though, to see which of them it is.

 

[Fig]

Just wanted to add.

You know some of you quote the founding fathers like gospel. now it’s been brought up the idea of these rights coming from God. Well it was coming from the same men who owned slaves.
Where was their( slaves) God and their rights then?

Maybe they( founders) got a few things wrong that need to be changed and amended

We've been doing that for a very long time trying to get our Constitution to reflect the collective wisdom and understanding of John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Roger Sherman, and Robert Livingston. That vision in the Declaration of Independence is trying to put Natural Law into words.

The Constitution is, necessarily, a compromise. It's an attempt to divide government and pit it against itself so that it does not turn into a leviathan (as it has). It worked almost supernaturally till The Progressive Amendments removed the largest checks against it's power and set off a series of catastrophes and power grabs that have led us to where we are today. You cannot hope to contain or reform a government that can legally seize the fruits of your labor at it's whim, and strip the states of all power in Washington. The 16th and 17th Amendments have to be repealed if we are ever going to right this ship. The State Legislatures have to matter, and the Federal Government cannot be allow to confiscate the fruits of our labors and spend at it's whim. The 16th Amendment should be replaced requiring that the Federal Budget be balanced, and prohibiting the Federal Government from borrowing one red cent unless Congress agrees, by supermajority, it is a time of war or disaster. You know, before all this bullshit we actually had to "Declare War" to attack someone. Now there are no rules or checks on power.

The key to regaining a just government is to restore our Constitution. Extremism in all forms is the enemy of the good.

 

[hlee]

Well, since wade2big isn’t playing, I would like to submit a new grammar rule in this new found kingdom of fiction: there shall be NO I before E rule. Too many exceptions for it as it is. Rules shouldn’t have exceptions. Period

Well, you’re going to love this; There is no I before E rule. It was made up based on insufficient data. Just one more lie you learned in grade school.

 

[Maggot]

A few weeks ago a local department had a roundup. All the outstanding warrants and drug offenders were arrested. I think the number was around 95 people. They splashed headlines in the local paper and news about the big bust. Which was exactly that. A giant bust. 89 posted bond or released on their own recognizance that very day or the next.

If you didn't read the entire article you would never know. Because the local print was the only place that included that info. Of course it was the last paragraph.
Making the community safer. Ummm, not so much

Dont know where you live, Tennesee?, but thats really disappointing to here. I live in one of the counties and I know it doesnt happen here, but a few miles south in Blue Charlottesville, its no doubt the fact.

Those dumb fucks elected the very guy, Wes Bellamy? who started the whole tear down the stature of Lee, to the city council. After he sufficiently stirred the shitpot, he left. Then they elected a black female mayor who was a total ass, wrote and published fifthly poems about the city so they fired her. Now she'd suing them for a million for racism. They also hired a black female police chief who testified in front of Congress about confiscating every object that could harm people. Like you Ive met several of the LE's there and to a man (and woman) they hated her. Finally they fired her so she's suing them for 10 million for racism.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

We've been doing that for a very long time trying to get our Constitution to reflect the collective wisdom and understanding of John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Roger Sherman, and Robert Livingston. That vision in the Declaration of Independence is trying to put Natural Law into words.

The Constitution is, necessarily, a compromise. It's an attempt to divide government and pit it against itself so that it does not turn into a leviathan (as it has). It worked almost supernaturally till The Progressive Amendments removed the largest checks against it's power and set off a series of catastrophes and power grabs that have led us to where we are today. You cannot hope to contain or reform a government that can legally seize the fruits of your labor at it's whim, and strip the states of all power in Washington. The 16th and 17th Amendments have to be repealed if we are ever going to right this ship. The State Legislatures have to matter, and the Federal Government cannot be allow to confiscate the fruits of our labors and spend at it's whim. The 16th Amendment should be replaced requiring that the Federal Budget be balanced, and prohibiting the Federal Government from borrowing one red cent unless Congress agrees, by supermajority, it is a time of war or disaster. You know, before all this bullshit we actually had to "Declare War" to attack someone. Now there are no rules or checks on power.

The key to regaining a just government is to restore our Constitution. Extremism in all forms is the enemy of the good.

Well said!

 

[armorpl8chikn]

The real America if you will lasted 90 years. Lincoln destroyed it.

I will agree with that to a point.
Its possible, the absolute worst thing to happen after Lincoln's mistake, was his assassination.
Had he not been assassinated, I believe the South would not have suffered a brutal Reconstruction.

 

[Darayavaus]

I will agree with that to a point.
Its possible, the absolute worst thing to happen after Lincoln's mistake, was his assassination.
Had he not been assassinated, I believe the South would not have suffered a brutal Reconstruction.

that is true, but it was not reconstruction which destroyed the United States.

It was Lincoln's use of force to pound disagreement into compliance. The federal government did not have that authority until they took it. And when they took it, it was immoral and unconstitutional. Make no mistake, Lincoln destroyed the states and the Constitution because of power and an enforcement of Mandatory Union (empire), not because of any moral issues of slavery.

the correct action would have been to work through consent and compromise, until a mutually agreeable solution to any problem was reached. That is what the Constitution prescribed. But the northern political bloc, feeling it's manpower and industrial advantages, began to develop a hard-line attitude that "we don't have to talk, we'll just force" And Lincoln was the guy who made tyranny sound like 'Liberty', and spun Empire into 'Union'. He preached to the choir and excused their illegitimate actions, forcing the south's hand and beginning a war of federal conquest. He did not have the right to do that.

 

[Maggot]

I will agree with that to a point.
Its possible, the absolute worst thing to happen after Lincoln's mistake, was his assassination.
Had he not been assassinated, I believe the South would not have suffered a brutal Reconstruction.

I agree APC