I just want it recognized that I called it perfectly in post 54
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Which is just another form of government.
Its as simple as once two people stop living alone and agree to live together with rules, or guidelines, its government.
The smaller and weaker the better. It amazes me how it is now controversial to want the smallest most limited government possible always striving for none even if unattainable. It wasn’t that long ago that men wanted to be self reliant. Now today everyone wants more and more government intervention. Years and years of gov propaganda and programming is a powerful weapon as it makes men shackle themselves.
Yup. Everyone has always had government. Families have their own forms of rules to live within. Even individuals “govern” themselves. Animals in herds and packs do the same thing. There has never been a governmental vacuum in any persons life unless they are vegetables.
They can only put the chains on you if you allow it. You have the ability to resist, even it it costs youre life. Are you man enough to put your life on the line for your beliefs, or are you just a paper tiger.
Bt even a weak gov is still a government. Period.
YOu can be self reliant. Load your bugout bag and head for the hills. Of corse if you break your leg, or similar, you may be wishing for some one else to help.
Debating you is like going back and forth with a small child. It isn’t satisfying at all. I’m not the smartest man by any means but we are on two different levels. I know this yet I still engage and every time I’m reminded of this. Lol. You are a big gov statist and I’m a liberty minded man.
No..., I was waiting on an answer. I was curious? 308 was clear he didn't want others opinions, just yours. I read your community example, yet there are communities all over the world that don't behave in the ways you mention? Is our system of gov. an influencer of civil communities? values, moral law? The Christian beliefs of our founders evidenced throughout our system of governance? I"ll answer your charge directly...No I dont believe in lockdowns, covid, vaccines, corrupt politicians, fake elections, or unnecessary wars. I do however believe in a system of justice,, applied equally and fairly. Law and order. Our system is by far the best example of governance going. Far from perfect, no doubt weakened by the failings of human nature. I am not naive enough to believe people are inherently good, nor narcissistic enough to think I know better. I like our system just not always those who implement their interpretation of it.That’s because you aren’t intelligent enough to read and comprehend. I can’t fix that my man.I used that example to illustrate the idea of close communities. Not government. Damn.
It’s all theory anyway. What matters is what we have now. Do you approve of the lockdowns, the lies about covid, the vaccines, the weaponized justice system, corrupt politicians, fake elections, unnecessary banker wars that kill American soldiers, etc all brought to us by large over powerful govt’s? Do you welcome the NWO?
NO, youre not, but neither are you stupid. I think narrow minded and contrary are more appropriate.
I understand what you believe in. The problem we face now is that the system we are forced to be a apart of are weaponized against us all. There is no real justice and it damn sure isn’t applied fairly. We have men rotting in jail for protesting the gov you hold dear while attempted mass shooters are out on $15,000 bond. Parents of abused children victimized by the state school systems they are forced at gunpoint to pay i to are being threatened by the DOJ which of course is the most powerful LE agency of the land. Law and order is an illusion and tool to control good people’s actions as criminals break laws to begin with. Law and order is weaponized as well. People who take part in gov’t approved riots and acts of violence are left unprosecuted while those that simply don’t go along with the gov approved narrative are harassed and unfairly jailed and prosecuted.
Our system isn’t the shining example that many believe it is. It was indistinguishable from even the most authoritarian regimes just recently. Maybe it could be the shining example many pretend it is but hundreds of government agencies and millions of gov men along with all the welfare programs would have to go. I think we can agree that this behemoth of a gov is dangerous and doing incomprehensible things such as murdering innocent men, women, and children for our safety of course.
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The question we all need to consider is how do good men reign back the authoritarian, rogue, and completely illegal and illegitimate government we are subject to and get it much closer to the ideals you described?
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You dang sure did. LolI just want it recognized that I called it perfectly in post 54
Make no mistake...I am far from happy with our gov., and where we are as a society. Our system might be tarnished, but it still has the potential to shine bright.
I put an edit on the bottom of the post just after you quoted it. Check it out.
Nothing inaccurate here.
I'd agree that I too am amazed at the closet statists around and even on this site.
The idea of the original representative constitutional republic is probably the best, truest and acceptable form of .gov.
This fucking cowardly, corrupt evil pile of shit is currently burning out.
I dig 308's premise behind this thread and we tend to agree on issues. Not sure if he's calling you out here or genuinely interested, in either case everyone is going to see what it looks like when a pile of shit collapse .gov happens in real time soon enough.
The bubbles are popping, the fiat is dead, and the WEF is in full stroke as we watch. If you are actually watching that is ( left out the period for our OCD friend)
Personally, we're beyond voting at this point. And even here sadly there are some in denial, some defending the same motherfuckers who will put a boot to your neck, and some scared of the notion of actual freedom.
Covid proved dozens of theories out.
And it's coming like it or not.
We are in agreement on the most pressing issues for sure. There are many like us that don’t post on forums for entertainment my man. I like to post on this public forum to not only pass time but to give another perspective to anyone who takes the time to read what I write. While all may not agree, many will and those that don’t at least have to consider my views before they dismiss it unless they are members and put me on ignore like all the LEO and other gov paid men who are working for and helping the evil men in power implement the plans the WEF has for us.
The fact that I am much further right in my ideology than what is accepted by the centrist majority on this site or in the real world is of little consequence and has no bearing on what’s in store for us that you clearly laid out.
No one is forcing you to do anything.
YOU ARE FREE TO LEAVE.
China, Nork, Venezuela, Angola, will welcome you.
If you dont like it work to change it or dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, but stop whining. Man up, and live by your beliefs, die for them if necessary, leave, or shut up.
My God, this actually illustrates the simplistic thinking running rampant today.
There was no question asked to be answered, only an invitation to describe a form of government he would prefer to the current one. I would say the main take away of his posts is that less is better when it comes to governments.
I would ask a question to those who have posted here: Would any of you prefer more government?
Myself, I think it would work *fairly well* if the fed was completely removed and the states left to do as they do now.
Some states are very well run with decent economies, taxation, policing, etc.
Then there is California, NewYork, Illinois, Colorado, etc.
Move to the state that suits you and your beliefs, and still live in an essentially free country.
The .gov is so corrupt that it HAS to go, it is so spread out and confused with it's own self that it is no longer viable.
I don't have a real answer, no one does (probably) because the problem is so deeply ingrained that no real solution could ever be conceived by 1000 genius level citizens of open mind and stable bases.
You asked Wade to come up with a solution in simple words on a bloody forum ?
Who is the fool here ?
Some states are very well run with decent economies, taxation, policing, etc.
Then there is California, NewYork, Illinois, Colorado, etc.
Move to the state that suits you and your beliefs, and still live in an essentially free country.
The .gov is so corrupt that it HAS to go, it is so spread out and confused with it's own self that it is no longer viable.
I don't have a real answer, no one does (probably) because the problem is so deeply ingrained that no real solution could ever be conceived by 1000 genius level citizens of open mind and stable bases.
You asked Wade to come up with a solution in simple words on a bloody forum ?
Who is the fool here ?
The question is bad and assumes too many things. Asking where government is valid is more appropriate. Asking where government is desired is a poor question because almost everyone values individual freedom. Except socialists, and they can eat one of Dirty Ds women for all I care, just keep you control issues to yourself - the rest of the world can do without your input.
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Are you actually grown men? Do you really have someone on the WWW on ingnore because their words hurt your feelings?
I bet there's a safe place near you. Type "Safe Place" into your search and hit enter. If no results try Animal Rescue/Shelter. I bet they will let you pet a kitten.
So knowingly or not, you’ve stumbled on the exact problem facing the founding fathers. They wanted the states to have autonomy and yet at the same time realized that in order to maintain a republic that they didn’t let any one state to go too far rogue and start their own dictatorship or oligarchy. If this to remain a nation, there needed to be a Set of rules that attempted to balance the needs of a nation with the needs of freedom and states rights.
For those of you that might think that I mean the current situation is acceptable, make no mistake. We have moved well beyond the where the founding fathers knew there would be trouble. They knew that there would always be those that would work to create a self-sustaining system that controlled the people, money and power. Thus they tried to enact a balanced system wherein no single branch could do so by itself.
What they hoped would not happen is that being part of the federal government would become an enriching career upon itself and get to the level where we are today. They truly did feel this way and just argued about how to best keep things from getting like they are today.
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Well said, its kind of damned if you do and damned if you dont. Without a Federal Government there would be no DDE interstate highway system, no strong military to keep the commies at bay, no National Park system like the one I just found, the Wachita National Game Preserve.
On the other hand there would be no Pedo Joe or Kamaltoe.
Sure that's not Ouachita ?Well said, its kind of damned if you do and damned if you dont. Without a Federal Government there would be no DDE interstate highway system, no strong military to keep the commies at bay, no National Park system like the one I just found, the Wachita National Game Preserve.
On the other hand there would be no Pedo Joe or Kamaltoe.
Pronounced wa-shi-tah ?
Defence absolutely haemorrhages money in peace time and only come remotely close to paying for itself when the shit hits the fan.
These private militias would not even be capable of owning or maintaining the basic infrastructure needed to produce relatively simple modern weapons like anti tank missiles let alone the thousands of jet aircraft or nuclear powered carriers and subs that the US currently fields.
Not at all, but I think it’ll be harder for businesses to control a given region if there aren’t any fucking whore politicians to rent. And the instances in the recent past are exactly because the businesses were able to buy every facet of politics in the first place. Also, there’s no guarantee that businesses will grow into the zombie behemoths like right now. If anyone can just start a small business and compete with every other similar business, it will take a special type of entrepreneur to build a giant corporation type business.
Why do you think I’ve stressed security and law in my posts? Do you think that I think this will be some utopian cake walk? I’d like to see the mental gymnastics required to come to that conclusion, reading what I’ve written. And I’m also not asking for the rest of the world to bend to my will. I stressed somewhere above that I’d be happy with a relatively small region, several counties worth of land or one of the lesser desired states(even better), to move to so I and others like me can get on with our lives and be left alone. Those areas can be split up however they want and can be as diverse or homogeneous as the residents want. As long as they don’t try to use force to achieve any desired ends and there is some real way of settling disputes I don’t give a shit what happens(not exactly but I think you get what I’m saying).
I’ve also said in another thread that I’d probably be 100% happy if the country was returned to the governance structure of the articles of confederation. But that’s a minarchy(not a typo, look up the difference) and probably still too much scary freedom for 99% of the population.
Looking for any sort of parallel between the dod now and what I’m talking about is 1,000,000% the dumbest thing anyone can do
Countries only want to fuck with us because we’re the empire and are trying to run the world. Just like other countries with bloated, over-extended government. How many small, unobtrusive countries that just want to be left alone are in any real danger of being nuked off the planet? Even the founding fathers said there shouldn’t be any federal military. Ron Paul said it best; this country could be defended with a couple of nuclear subs off each coast. And, of course, all the firearms that the population will own.
After reading this thread, Wade’s form of “government” is closest to the definition of Freedom as you can get. That has been obvious in many of Wade’s posts outside of this thread, so I’m clueless why this was started.
It seems most have been indoctrinated to some extent to believe that the government gives you freedom, not yourself. (Many in this thread)
And I think that has been the goal of our government for the last 100+ years is to slowly make us dependent on the machine. Now we scoff at what true freedom looks like... Even some of you hardcore 1776ers shake your head at freedom in it’s purist form, because America has not seen that in a really long time.
It seems most have been indoctrinated to some extent to believe that the government gives you freedom, not yourself. (Many in this thread)
And I think that has been the goal of our government for the last 100+ years is to slowly make us dependent on the machine. Now we scoff at what true freedom looks like... Even some of you hardcore 1776ers shake your head at freedom in it’s purist form, because America has not seen that in a really long time.
I tried listening to his book about systems of law on audible but the app doesn’t play nice with my car sometimes. I definitely need to figure it out and give it a listen
I think it was probably started out of frustration with the cunt. It's not so much his view of government or his idea of what government should be but the broad brush the cunt paints everyone with that happens to not agree with him.
So someone finally asked the cunt what his ideal utopia looks like and how it works.
I fear the entire endeavor will be in vain, because, unfortunately...
So someone finally asked the cunt what his ideal utopia looks like and how it works.
I fear the entire endeavor will be in vain, because, unfortunately...
Holy mother! A whole lot of words. Makes me tired. We just want brutally funny jokes to pass the time until the dim ones wake up and start burning shit down. Then we will get started helping them.
USA is not a poor country, leave it defenceless and see what happens.
Gee didn’t you guys randomly attack Iraq and crush it? Seemly every couple years America does this weird flex thing on the third world by randomly attacking some impoverished nation.
Something something strong do what they want, weak suffer what they must something.
Actually its neither, but beautiful non the less.
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Government doesnt give you freedom, it (ideally) provides services. You want freedom, pack your bugout bag and head into the mountains.
The man that has me on ignore yet takes pot shots like a coward is referring to how I paint men like him that carry a gun for the same government that is fucking the rest of us to death. I lost a lot of money over the last couple years. He got overtime forcing businesses closed and masks on children.
All government is forced. The government we have now is made up of criminals hellbent on murdering and impoverishing the people whose lives are supposed to be better because of it. This man’s job is to protect this government from you at all costs while forcing the sick WEF one world agenda down your throat. If you do not like what is happening around you, understand that men like the one above are who is protecting the status quo. Do not let this be lost on you.
I point it out and now he is pissed. Imagine that. Now who is the real cunt?
The shitshow in the Middle East was started by us in the first place. None of those attacks were “random”. We propped Saddam up in the first place and used him until he was expendable, nothing more. And that’s just another argument supporting my point that bloated, centralized gov is evil and should be at least shrunk by a large percentage. Once that happens then we can quibble over how much smaller it should be.
And I have never said anything about America being defenseless, I have no idea where you’re getting that. If you’re trying to imply that without a large central gov this place will be invaded I got news for you. The absolute only way another country’s military sets foot on our soil will 100% be with Washington’s help. There are too many people with too many guns(even the ones the bullshit atf knows about) that care too much about their family and community for that to work
It sure does a great job of destroying freedoms and wealth though.
If anybody hits the reset..
My suggestion would be
Term limits
Secure elections
No PACs
My suggestion would be
Term limits
Secure elections
No PACs
I don’t have Wade on ignore. I just don’t feel like sifting through 4 pages of bullshit to find out if he actually described his ideal government. So go fuck yourself with your assumptions
Shorter term limits make the problem worse, unless you think you’re going to somehow remove money and influence from dc.
I’ll advocate for secure elections and narrow the ability to vote significantly. Like; absolutely nobody who gets a gov check and you must be a property owner are a good start
So all politicians, Military, Law enforcement, City worker, Government Contract workers etc. None of them get a vote?
You don’t own that property... Stop paying Property Tax and you will find out what you own. Build unapproved structure on it Etc. Hell most people don’t even actually own the house they “bought” the bank does... stop paying that mortgage payment see what happens...
The idea of turning the clocks back a couple 100 years on voting rights sounds like a horrible idea. You would narrow it do to a select entitled elite... no thanks.
I have him on ignore, I have several dumb shits that clutter up threads with their asshattery on ignore.
I highly recommend it, makes for more relaxed reading. It's like having a retarded kid with tourettes at Thanksgiving interrupting every conversation... and being able to just duct tape their little mouths and enjoy your meal and conversation in peace
I highly recommend it, makes for more relaxed reading. It's like having a retarded kid with tourettes at Thanksgiving interrupting every conversation... and being able to just duct tape their little mouths and enjoy your meal and conversation in peace
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