Open invitation to Wade2Big

[The D]

So all politicians, Military, Law enforcement, City worker, Government Contract workers etc. None of them get a vote?

You don’t own that property... Stop paying Property Tax and you will find out what you own. Build unapproved structure on it Etc. Hell most people don’t even actually own the house they “bought” the bank does... stop paying that mortgage payment see what happens...

The idea of turning the clocks back a couple 100 years on voting rights sounds like a horrible idea. You would narrow it do to a select entitled elite... no thanks.

Everyone that gets a gov check, whether for employment or welfare, are only ever going to reinforce the terrible policies that made the problem in the first place.

And only letting property owners vote makes people put some skin in the game. Otherwise your just playing casino with other peoples money, and that’s collectivism at its worst. I never said there would be restrictions on who could own property. All you need to do is work hard to buy your little piece of the pie and you can vote

One of the largest problems today is exactly that I don’t really own my house. How important do you think property rights are to a society?

 

[n2ishun]

tourettes

If you'd have been close I wouldn't have, but you weren't.

 

[LawnMM]

tourettes

If you'd have been close I wouldn't have, but you weren't.

 

[clcustom1911]

I couldn’t be more open and consistent in the viewpoints that I express. Everyone that reads what I write knows where I stand. This thread is pure faggotry. Lol.

Exactly what chief political officer at the Department of State would say.

 

[Gee Kay]

hows this thread going, bit like this i suppose?

 

[supercorndogs]

Bt even a weak gov is still a government. Period.

YOu can be self reliant. Load your bugout bag and head for the hills. Of corse if you break your leg, or similar, you may be wishing for some one else to help.

So lets break this down to a basic premise. Seems you are saying if he gets in trouble he needs the government to fix it. Seems like you are also giving government credit for building our society. Homesteaders were self reliant, they also helped each other. The two things are not mutually exclusive or provided by the government.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

I don’t have Wade on ignore. I just don’t feel like sifting through 4 pages of bullshit to find out if he actually described his ideal government. So go fuck yourself with your assumptions

^^^^^^^^^Triggered by some words in the internet from a stranger ^^^^^^^^

I have him on ignore, I have several dumb shits that clutter up threads with their asshattery on ignore.

I highly recommend it, makes for more relaxed reading. It's like having a retarded kid with tourettes at Thanksgiving interrupting every conversation... and being able to just duct tape their little mouths and enjoy your meal and conversation in peace

SMH, you could scroll right on by but it is like a family reunion. You know that there's going to be a train wreck and you gotta look?

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

No, maggot believes that anytime two people agree on something that's a government.

So lets break this down to a basic premise. Seems you are saying if he gets in trouble he needs the government to fix it. Seems like you are also giving government credit for building our society. Homesteaders were self reliant, they also helped each other. The two things are not mutually exclusive or provided by the government.

 

[Maggot]

So lets break this down to a basic premise. Seems you are saying if he gets in trouble he needs the government to fix it. Seems like you are also giving government credit for building our society. Homesteaders were self reliant, they also helped each other. The two things are not mutually exclusive or provided by the government.

What I actually said was that if you get hurt you may need 'others'. Having societal relations almost always immediately leads to some form of government, if only to determine where we shit as related to where we eat or other necessary regulations. Thats 'government' in its basic form.

 

[Maggot]

It sure does a great job of destroying freedoms and wealth though.

Yes, it can.

 

[supercorndogs]

I know what you typed, but what you are doing is trying to conflate things that are not related.

What I actually said was that if you get hurt you may need 'others'. Having societal relations almost always immediately leads to some form of government, if only to determine where we shit as related to where we eat or other necessary regulations. Thats 'government' in its basic form.

 

[Maggot]

No, maggot believes that anytime two people agree on something that's a government.

Its a bit more involved. We could agree that the sky is blue...thats not government. If we agree that we will shit at point 'A' and eat at point 'B', thats a basic form of government, ie: governing sanitary disposal or turds.

 

[Maggot]

The man that has me on ignore yet takes pot shots like a coward is referring to how I paint men like him that carry a gun for the same government that is fucking the rest of us to death. I lost a lot of money over the last couple years. He got overtime forcing businesses closed and masks on children.

All government is forced. Some government if forced, some is agreed upon, though because of power hungry individuals, it may become forced. The government we have now is made up of criminals hellbent on murdering and impoverishing the people whose lives are supposed to be better because of it. This man’s job is to protect this government from you at all costs while forcing the sick WEF one world agenda down your throat. If you do not like what is happening around you, understand that men like the one above are who is protecting the status quo. Do not let this be lost on you.

I point it out and now he is pissed. Imagine that. Now who is the real cunt?

Corrected it for you.

 

[Maggot]

I live on a tribal reservation.
Also in a small town.
Some years the homicide RATE is well over 100 homicides per 100,000 people
Seems higher than some large bad cities doesn’t it?

I’ll add I believe that non-gov people murder and rob a lot more people than the government.

And, while I don’t agree with everything you post, I DO agree with a bit of it.
Like why the cops in a town nearby shot a drunk with a knife while he was walking away from them? Looks like no charges for the cops. Yeah it’s very corrupt!

Was that the Albuquerque incident a few years back. What a FUBAR.

 

[Maggot]

I know what you typed, but what you are doing is trying to conflate things that are not related.

NOt at all but youre free to believe that.

 

[Captrjc]

If you can’t admit that right now the fed law enforcement system is not treating conservative minded Americans equal then you may be part of the problem. I believe we all have our own tipping point to when we won’t tolerate it and say “I have nothing left to loose”.

I can’t trash anyone of the Leo’s that aren’t at that point of saying “I’m not gonna do this to this person because it’s not right”
But… to not acknowledge that right now .GOV shit is sideways is pure crap.
I left the local Leo’s out but some of the same shit is going on in that cesspool too.

I can say that when the Declaration of Independence was signed it wasn’t because they had nothing left to loose.
Freedom is your to loose if you like $$$$ better.

The government that is better then the one we have now is simply a government that treats all Americans with respect equally and doesn’t trample on our rights and freedom.
Oh yeah and term limits for all politicians and employment time limits for government employees that have worked in management positions.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

I thought we were having an intellectual discussion. Sometimes things are understood as part of the topic and for brevity not every kernel needs to be broken down. I didn't think that I would have to break that down for you.
Well, I guess next time

Its a bit more involved. We could agree that the sky is blue...thats not government. If we agree that we will shit at point 'A' and eat at point 'B', thats a basic form of government, ie: governing sanitary disposal or turds.

 

[lash]

I’ll advocate for secure elections and narrow the ability to vote significantly. Like; absolutely nobody who gets a gov check and you must be a property owner are a good start

See, that’s the problem with absolute statements. As pointed out above, this is the easiest concept to corrupt to create an elitist society. What it is not, is a good way to ensure that everyone is treated the same and equally. It is not a good way to ensure freedoms for everyone. Feudal Europe operated this way and everybody was free to be an indentured serf and work for a lord who owned the land.

Sounds like a great plan.

 

[wade2big]

I live on a tribal reservation.
Also in a small town.
Some years the homicide RATE is well over 100 homicides per 100,000 people
Seems higher than some large bad cities doesn’t it?

I’ll add I believe that non-gov people murder and rob a lot more people than the government.

And, while I don’t agree with everything you post, I DO agree with a bit of it.
Like why the cops in a town nearby shot a drunk with a knife while he was walking away from them? Looks like no charges for the cops. Yeah it’s very corrupt!

An untold number of USA citizens were murdered by “their“ government starting February of 2020 in the name of covid. The vaxx is maiming and killing people still today and its gov funded, promoted, and forced in many cases. The gov forced shutdowns that destroyed businesses. The gov implemented a mass propaganda campaign that caused people not to seek out real medical care for important health issues. Many died from this and still will. The gov implemented top down medicine to “treat” covid which was nothing more than legal euthanization . Hospitals were paid to be death camps for government. Go home until you are ready to die then come to the hospital was the medical advice given if you showed up to seek care and if you were admitted they poisoned people with drugs known to kill. Commonly available drugs were not only dismissed but targeted with a mass propaganda campaign themselves causing even decent medical professionals to steer clear. Some of these drugs were banned in many states for a time. In my state of Texas, HQZ was banned by the TX Pharmaceutical board until mid summer of 2020. Abbott allowed it as he was part of the lie as well. So were TX county judges and the like. All lied to the people that foolishly trusted them.

This gov intervention destroyed families as well. Some where hypnotized by the campaign and turned viciously against family members that weren’t. Suicides are at an all time high especially with children. Drug use is up. Now we are dealing with shortages and inflation as a result of the first government attack on its people. This is the second. Fed, state, and city all play together and still do after this mass attack and election fraud that resulted in a completely illegal and unconstitutional federal gov’t.

Explain to me man how the gang bangers in the cities hold a candle to the mass attack government is responsible for that killed hundreds of thousands or more in only two years with the count rising everyday. If any of you lost a loved one to covid, the gov’t murdered them in cold blood and laughs about it. Why am I only one of the very few that is putting this together? Maybe its because the media won’t report it and people can’t think for themselves. This is why I am so vocal. I want people to realize what I have.

 

[Maggot]

I thought we were having an intellectual discussion. Sometimes things are understood as part of the topic and for brevity not every kernel needs to be broken down. I didn't think that I would have to break that down for you.
Well, I guess next time

Fair enough, no insult intended.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Everyone that gets a gov check, whether for employment or welfare, are only ever going to reinforce the terrible policies that made the problem in the first place.

And only letting property owners vote makes people put some skin in the game. Otherwise your just playing casino with other peoples money, and that’s collectivism at its worst. I never said there would be restrictions on who could own property. All you need to do is work hard to buy your little piece of the pie and you can vote

One of the largest problems today is exactly that I don’t really own my house. How important do you think property rights are to a society?

On the property voting thing no. Cant agree.

If welfare recipients cant vote then neither should anyone else who profits off ANY government money. It creates the same issue, voting to pad your wallet, they are just jumping through a hoop to get it. Like an Animal at the circus.

On the property rights question you sent back at me. I personally believe we should do away with property taxes. Property taxes in this country were first used during war time to fund the building of military equipment. Then in 1916 it was inacted and never went away and people just went along with it. The USA have slowly been more heavily taxed to the point that you no longer own your land. You are basically a renter. Which I personally feel is wrong.

On to income tax. Same deal. Since 1909 this country has been paying income taxes which has bloated the government. This too is wrong.

People who continue to pay these ignorant fee’s are the ones creating this monster. You are the ones funding it... STOP! If everyone person in this country stopped paying income and property taxes, this out of control government would cease to function. Sadly you greedy fucks like shiny things a keep buying a bunch of shit you dont really need, constantly funding the banks and big government. Taking out loans to buy homes and cars so you can pay interest and tax fee’s. YOU ARE THE MOTHER FUCKERS FUNDING THIS BLOATED EXCUSE OF A GOVERNMENT !!! STOP DOING IT. But they got you with that carrot on a stick...

Yet instead of rallying together and doing something about it, people like Wade and many other cry and bitch about but never offer any solution to how to solve the problem. STOP GIVING THESE RICH ASSHOLES Treasure.

Rally together and fuck paying taxes, enough people do this. No tax revenue no government leaches get paid.

Its really that simple. @wade2big. It’s been funny watching you run your idealistic mouth but never offer any sort of a solution to all your complaints, yet you yourself are likely responsible for the bloated government through funding.

 

[clcustom1911]

An untold number of USA citizens were murdered by “their“ government starting February of 2020 in the name of covid. The vaxx is maiming and killing people still today and its gov funded, promoted, and forced in many cases. The gov forced shutdowns that destroyed businesses. The gov implemented a mass propaganda campaign that caused people not to seek out real medical care for important health issues. Many died from this and still will. The gov implemented top down medicine to “treat” covid which was nothing more than legal euthanization . Hospitals were paid to be death camps for government. Go home until you are ready to die then come to the hospital was the medical advice given if you showed up to seek care and if you were admitted they poisoned people with drugs known to kill. Commonly available drugs were not only dismissed but targeted with a mass propaganda campaign themselves causing even decent medical professionals to steer clear. Some of these drugs were banned in many states for a time. In my state of Texas, HQZ was banned by the TX Pharmaceutical board until mid summer of 2020. Abbott allowed it as he was part of the lie as well. So were TX county judges and the like. All lied to the people that foolishly trusted them.

This gov intervention destroyed families as well. Some where hypnotized by the campaign and turned viciously against family members that weren’t. Suicides are at an all time high especially with children. Drug use is up. Now we are dealing with shortages and inflation as a result of the first government attack on its people. This is the second. Fed, state, and city all play together and still do after this mass attack and election fraud that resulted in a completely illegal and unconstitutional federal gov’t.

Explain to me man how the gang bangers in the cities hold a candle to the mass attack government is responsible for that killed hundreds of thousands or more in only two years with the count rising everyday. If any of you lost a loved one to covid, the gov’t murdered them in cold blood and laughs about it. Why am I only one of the very few that is putting this together? Maybe its because the media won’t report it and people can’t think for themselves. This is why I am so vocal. I want people to realize what I have.

I agree with all if the above.

Not to mention forcing the vaccination of people who already had natural immunity. Never in modern medicine has that ever been recommended. Next level red flag for anyone who believes that's a good idea.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

On the property voting thing no. Cant agree.

If welfare recipients cant vote then neither should anyone else who profits off ANY government money. It creates the same issue, voting to pad your wallet, they are just jumping through a hoop to get it. Like an Animal at the circus.

On the property rights question you sent back at me. I personally believe we should do away with property taxes. Property taxes in this country were first used during war time to fund the building of military equipment. Then in 1916 it was inacted and never went away and people just went along with it. The USA have slowly been more heavily taxed to the point that you no longer own your land. You are basically a renter. Which I personally feel is wrong.

On to income tax. Same deal. Since 1909 this country has been paying income taxes which has bloated the government. This too is wrong.

People who continue to pay these ignorant fee’s are the ones creating this monster. You are the ones funding it... STOP! If everyone person in this country stopped paying income and property taxes, this out of control government would cease to function. Sadly you greedy fucks like shiny things a keep buying a bunch of shit you dont really need, constantly funding the banks and big government. Taking out loans to buy homes and cars so you can pay interest and tax fee’s. YOU ARE THE MOTHER FUCKERS FUNDING THIS BLOATED EXCUSE OF A GOVERNMENT !!! STOP DOING IT. But they got you with that carrot on a stick...

Yet instead of rallying together and doing something about it, people like Wade and many other cry and bitch about but never offer any solution to how to solve the problem. STOP GIVING THESE RICH ASSHOLES Treasure.

Rally together and fuck paying taxes, enough people do this. No tax revenue no government leaches get paid.

Its really that simple. @wade2big. It’s been funny watching you run your idealistic mouth but never offer any sort of a solution to all your complaints, yet you yourself are likely responsible for the bloated government through funding.

It's not the giving up of new shiny things that keeps us paying taxes, it's the taking of our homes and children's parents that keep us doing it. Taxes are collected at the end of a gun and govt men.

I'm with you on this, but just like what wade says a lot of the time it's a huge oversimplification of the reality of the situation. A national "tax strike" would work and get some things done but of course, we've seen what happens to the leaders of these things and that's a serious risk if you have kids who can't take care of themselves.

 

[wade2big]

On the property voting thing no. Cant agree.

If welfare recipients cant vote then neither should anyone else who profits off ANY government money. It creates the same issue, voting to pad your wallet, they are just jumping through a hoop to get it. Like an Animal at the circus.

On the property rights question you sent back at me. I personally believe we should do away with property taxes. Property taxes in this country were first used during war time to fund the building of military equipment. Then in 1916 it was inacted and never went away and people just went along with it. The USA have slowly been more heavily taxed to the point that you no longer own your land. You are basically a renter. Which I personally feel is wrong.

On to income tax. Same deal. Since 1909 this country has been paying income taxes which has bloated the government. This too is wrong.

People who continue to pay these ignorant fee’s are the ones creating this monster. You are the ones funding it... STOP! If everyone person in this country stopped paying income and property taxes, this out of control government would cease to function. Sadly you greedy fucks like shiny things a keep buying a bunch of shit you dont really need, constantly funding the banks and big government. Taking out loans to buy homes and cars so you can pay interest and tax fee’s. YOU ARE THE MOTHER FUCKERS FUNDING THIS BLOATED EXCUSE OF A GOVERNMENT !!! STOP DOING IT. But they got you with that carrot on a stick...

Yet instead of rallying together and doing something about it, people like Wade and many other cry and bitch about but never offer any solution to how to solve the problem. STOP GIVING THESE RICH ASSHOLES Treasure.

Rally together and fuck paying taxes, enough people do this. No tax revenue no government leaches get paid.

Its really that simple. @wade2big. It’s been funny watching you run your idealistic mouth but never offer any sort of a solution to all your complaints, yet you yourself are likely responsible for the bloated government through funding.

I have given the same solution about 20 times over multiple threads over the last few months. I explained what I think is the only path forward. What needs to be done is the easy part. Convincing others of it is not. I can’t even convince people that the government has been murdering hundreds of thousands if not millions over the last couple years. They have to get mad first.

Do you want me to post it for the 21st time? If so you will have to change your asshole tone when/if you ask.

 

[Darayavaus]

It's pretty simple. Life, Liberty, and accumulation of personal property are Natural Rights. And importantly, Natural Rights are not granted by government; nor does government have the legitimacy to interfere in those rights since they come from the a higher authority. But only for the purpose of protecting these rights (in other words preventing anarchy), governments are instituted among men, and in any case, their legitimacy only extends to the point of the consent of the governed. But whenever any form of government become destructive of these rights, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it.

The same guy who wrote those thoughts was a supporter of the Articles of Confederation, which was written to preserve state's rights and limit centralized power. In terms of individual freedom, whenever the "power" is closer to the people, whether in a state capital or or even local office, it is more answerable to the people because it is not insulated from them by layering shields of power and force. It is easier to force a smaller government to obey the people than it is to force a massive bureaucracy to listen.

Choosing the Federal Constitution over the Articles was a huge mistake made in the heat of the moment, and if our founding fathers could have seen how it turned out, I don't think that any of them -except Hamilton- would have still wanted it. But that mistake was theoretically rectified by including a Bill of Rights in the document. And if that was left intact instead of subverted, we would not have nearly the same problems today, and few here would be complaining. But by the time of Lincoln, the Bill of Rights was replaced by Might Makes Right from the Federal behemoth. At that point, our original form of government died, and was replaced by ever increasing Statism. Since we are born into this mess, we have no sense of comparison. But what we have now is very different from the original intent, and much closer to Stalinism than Jeffersonianism.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

So what is your plan to get 100 million people and another one million corporations to stop paying any taxes?
It looks like you are slandering @wade2big and at the same time doing the exact same thing.

On the property voting thing no. Cant agree.

If welfare recipients cant vote then neither should anyone else who profits off ANY government money. It creates the same issue, voting to pad your wallet, they are just jumping through a hoop to get it. Like an Animal at the circus.

On the property rights question you sent back at me. I personally believe we should do away with property taxes. Property taxes in this country were first used during war time to fund the building of military equipment. Then in 1916 it was inacted and never went away and people just went along with it. The USA have slowly been more heavily taxed to the point that you no longer own your land. You are basically a renter. Which I personally feel is wrong.

On to income tax. Same deal. Since 1909 this country has been paying income taxes which has bloated the government. This too is wrong.

People who continue to pay these ignorant fee’s are the ones creating this monster. You are the ones funding it... STOP! If everyone person in this country stopped paying income and property taxes, this out of control government would cease to function. Sadly you greedy fucks like shiny things a keep buying a bunch of shit you dont really need, constantly funding the banks and big government. Taking out loans to buy homes and cars so you can pay interest and tax fee’s. YOU ARE THE MOTHER FUCKERS FUNDING THIS BLOATED EXCUSE OF A GOVERNMENT !!! STOP DOING IT. But they got you with that carrot on a stick...

Yet instead of rallying together and doing something about it, people like Wade and many other cry and bitch about but never offer any solution to how to solve the problem. STOP GIVING THESE RICH ASSHOLES Treasure.

Rally together and fuck paying taxes, enough people do this. No tax revenue no government leaches get paid.

Its really that simple. @wade2big. It’s been funny watching you run your idealistic mouth but never offer any sort of a solution to all your complaints, yet you yourself are likely responsible for the bloated government through funding.

Oops, sorry. I read your post again. It doesn't look like you are doing the same thing. You are!! Maybe you should look into the mirror instead of taking naked selfies in it

 

[wade2big]

It's pretty simple. Life, Liberty, and accumulation of personal property are Natural Rights. And importantly, Natural Rights are not granted by government; nor does government have the legitimacy to interfere in those rights since they come from the a higher authority. But only for the purpose of protecting these rights (in other words preventing anarchy), governments are instituted among men, and in any case, their legitimacy only extends to the point of the consent of the governed. But whenever any form of government become destructive of these rights, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it.

The same guy who wrote those thoughts was a supporter of the Articles of Confederation, which was written to preserve state's rights and limit centralized power. In terms of individual freedom, whenever the "power" is closer to the people, whether in a state capital or or even local office, it is more answerable to the people because it is not insulated from them by layering shields of power and force. It is easier to force a smaller government to obey the people than it is to force a massive bureaucracy to listen.

Choosing the Federal Constitution over the Articles was a huge mistake made in the heat of the moment, and if our founding fathers could have seen how it turned out, I don't think that any of them -except Hamilton- would have still wanted it. But that mistake was theoretically rectified by including a Bill of Rights in the document. And if that was left intact instead of subverted, we would not have nearly the same problems today, and few here would be complaining. But by the time of Lincoln, the Bill of Rights was replaced by Might Makes Right from the Federal behemoth. At that point, our original form of government died, and was replaced by ever increasing Statism. Since we are born into this mess, we have no sense of comparison. But what we have now is very different from the original intent, and much closer to Stalinism than Jeffersonianism.

The real America if you will lasted 90 years. Lincoln destroyed it.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

It's not the giving up of new shiny things that keeps us paying taxes, it's the taking of our homes and children's parents that keep us doing it. Taxes are collected at the end of a gun and govt men.

I'm with you on this, but just like what wade says a lot of the time it's a huge oversimplification of the reality of the situation. A national "tax strike" would work and get some things done but of course, we've seen what happens to the leaders of these things and that's a serious risk if you have kids who can't take care of themselves.

National Tax strike is a much better way of wording it.

Yes, I understand its an extremely complicated ordeal and would cause pain. Yes people have their responsibility to family, their tribe. For real change to come people are going to suffer in some way and large scale refusal to pay unjust taxes is about the most none violent, yet effective forum I can think of. It puts the government, the ones holding you at the end if a gun, on the aggressor side. Yet if the majority of the public would do this... they couldn’t do much especially once their funding dried up.

I too agree with many of Wades grievances, but never offers much in the way of fixing them. Then has berated me like I don’t see whats going on, which is laughable. Which is why I think this thread was conceived in the first place. When direcetly given the floor to speak he choose to avoid answering and called it gay and Faggy.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

So what is your plan to get 100 million people and another one million corporations to stop paying any taxes?
It looks like you are slandering @wade2big and at the same time doing the exact same thing.


Oops, sorry. I read your post again. It doesn't look like you are doing the same thing. You are!! Maybe you should look into the mirror instead of taking naked selfies in it

What same thing am I doing? Tell me more about me and how I live... you don’t know me bro. Only thing you know is what I look like naked in a mirror...

 

[wade2big]

National Tax strike is a much better way of wording it.

Yes, I understand its an extremely complicated ordeal and would cause pain. Yes people have their responsibility to family, their tribe. For real change to come people are going to suffer in some way and large scale refusal to pay unjust taxes is about the most none violent, yet effective forum I can think of. It puts the government, the ones holding you at the end if a gun, on the aggressor side. Yet if the majority of the public would do this... they couldn’t do much especially once their funding dried up.

I too agree with many of Wades grievances, but never offers much in the way of fixing them. Then has berated me like I don’t see whats going on, which is laughable. Which is why I think this thread was conceived in the first place. When direcetly given the floor to speak he choose to avoid answering and called it gay and Faggy.

Once again I have. Dozens of times I have clearly and methodically laid it out. Either way it matters little what I think or say. A handful of you guys act like I am your leader and are frustrated that I haven’t marched you out.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

I have given the same solution about 20 times over multiple threads over the last few months. I explained what I think is the only path forward. What needs to be done is the easy part. Convincing others of it is not. I can’t even convince people that the government has been murdering hundreds of thousands if not millions over the last couple years. They have to get mad first.

Do you want me to post it for the 21st time? If so you will have to change your asshole tone when/if you ask.

Lay it out...

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Never go full retard!!
It was a simple question. Read it again.

What same thing am I doing? Tell me more about me and how I live... you don’t know me bro. Only thing you know is what I look like naked in a mirror...

You say that @wade2big doesn't offer a plan.
I asked you what your plan is to get millions to stop paying taxes. Was that difficult to process?
Put some clothes on and get away from the mirror.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

And importantly, Natural Rights are not granted by government; nor does government have the legitimacy to interfere in those rights since they come from the a higher authority.

What higher authority?? I hope you are not talking about religion...

 

[TicTacTex]

We can probably agree that the first step in attempting to make a change in our nation, is that people have to get on the same page and agree on something if we want to move forward together..... I think it’s pretty obvious that will never happen, because look at this thread. I think for the most part, we’re like-minded people here on the Hide, but a few of us knuckleheads in one thread about government can’t even agree on a solution, so how do we expect millions to get on board and try to right this ship? Not gonna happen.

For me personally, the covid hoax convinced me that this country will never turn the corner; the vast majority of us rolled over and took it in the ass from our “leaders,” and we did next to nothing about it.

For me, I think the wisest thing we can do at this point is prepare to protect ourselves and our families. Protect them from what? Look around you and decide.
I’m in agreement with a certain prophet we call AJ, that’s all I’ll say about that.

 

[wade2big]

Lay it out...

People in large enough groups would have to refuse government authority in its entirety. Ignore “their” rules, regulations, licenses, permits, fines, taxes, and most importantly their police while looking out and protecting family, friends, and community. The whole thing is rotten and all of it has to be ignored. This can be peacefully done. If gov sends their police against you then men have a natural right to defend their lives and those around them. Gov and its thugs would be the aggressors.

This is what I think is the only path forward. Getting people on board is the major hurdle to overcome and to this I have no answer and if I did it would probably get me swatted by those that swore an oath to serve and protect gov’t.

 

[Darayavaus]

there's always that one guy who weighs in on the social contract and foundations of American government, but they've never read the Declaration.....or the Federalist Papers.....or the Anti-Federalist Papers.....or Locke......or Hobbes.....or any of the enlightenment philosophers that inspired our founding fathers......nor even Tocqueville.....

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Never go full retard!!
It was a simple question. Read it again.

You say that @wade2big doesn't offer a plan.
I asked you what your plan is to get millions to stop paying taxes. Was that difficult to process?
Put some clothes on and get away from the mirror.

Basically- Start a no unfair tax movement.

Get social figures like Trump, Elon Musk, ( who paid more in taxes than anyone) Joe Rogan and others to sell the idea to the mass. People who have the ability to reach millions, if not billions to be on board. Does it have to be these guys directly no, but people who reach the mass that already pay more than their fair share.

That is not an ability I have, reaching millions, sadly I am regulated to flashing you chaps in the pit to get your attention... and I to realize this is a bit of a pie in the sky idea. Most would be incapable of uprooting their life as they know it to create this drastic change.

Btw, I think the next tax season, instead of mailing tax money... should send the IRS dick pics. Do it!!

 

[orkan]

What higher authority?? I hope you are not talking about religion...

In Congress, July 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator


The founders own words seem to spell it out fairly clearly. The number one way freedom is removed from any people, is when they give up the position of God and turn it over to some other body. That is the cancer that eats at the core of most people in this country. The master they serve is green.

I would encourage all to evaluate how you've treated each other in this thread and ask what master you serve. Being witty on the internet is likely costing you more than you think.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

That’s ridiculous. Some form of government is needed for weights and measures standards, defense and legal recourse at a minimum. The lowest form of government I have seen in remote areas are village elders who settle disputes and mete out justice and everyone toes the line or they get the consequences for their rebellion to the village by the village. We need common rules that everyone uses a guide rails for the peaceful co-existence and defense of the society. It’s the adding of exceptions (that are usually based on greed and power) that jack up a good thing.

and thats just the self serving justification any government needs to grow into the bloated beurocracy it has.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Several years ago the neighboring county wanted to spend money on a project. They said that there was two ways to get the funds. First was an increase in property tax and the other was to implement a wheel tax. I had no dog in the fight but I talked to many people and advised them that voting for another tax is stoopid. Their answer was that the wheel tax was only going to be temporary. I couldn't convince them and they voted for the $10 wheel tax. Now twenty years later this temporary wheel tax is $40 and the project was never done. The county said that the wheel tax didn't generate the necessary funds and they increased the property tax also. And the project has still not been done.
People are stupid and will not vote out the people that bring about an unfair tax. Those that campaign to do so never do.
Is that wheel tax unfair? Without a doubt it is. But the people voted for it.

Basically- Start a no unfair tax movement.

Get social figures like Trump, Elon Musk, ( who paid more in taxes than anyone) Joe Rogan and others to sell the idea to the mass. People who have the ability to reach millions, if not billions to be on board. Does it have to be these guys directly no, but people who reach the mass that already pay more than their fair share.

That is not an ability I have, reaching millions, sadly I am regulated to flashing you chaps in the pit to get your attention... and I to realize this is a bit of a pie in the sky idea. Most would be incapable of uprooting their life as they know it to create this drastic change.

Btw, I think the next tax season, instead of mailing tax money... should send the IRS dick pics. Do it!!

A distracted population is the governments playground

 

[Darayavaus]

In Congress, July 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator


The founders own words seem to spell it out fairly clearly. The number one way freedom is removed from any people, is when they give up the position of God and turn it over to some other body. That is the cancer that eats at the core of most people in this country. The master they serve is green.

I would encourage all to evaluate how you've treated each other in this thread and ask what master you serve. Being witty on the internet is likely costing you more than you think.

yes. and the essence of totalitarian socialism is that government is the highest authority, and all 'privileges' are given by the government and can be taken away by the government.

with that justification they can do whatever they want, which is why our founding fathers took the time to establish the fact that the true hierarchy here is creator-people-then finally government

 

[The D]

See, that’s the problem with absolute statements. As pointed out above, this is the easiest concept to corrupt to create an elitist society. What it is not, is a good way to ensure that everyone is treated the same and equally. It is not a good way to ensure freedoms for everyone. Feudal Europe operated this way and everybody was free to be an indentured serf and work for a lord who owned the land.

Sounds like a great plan.

If people who own property are asked to vote on an increase in their taxes or adding another tax, do you think it’s a guarantee they will vote yes?

And conversely, if everyone is asked to vote on a tax increase or an additional tax, do you think it will be easier to get this passed? Oh, and the governing body in this area is promising everyone some brand new free shit with these new taxes

 

[lash]

If people who own property are asked to vote on an increase in their taxes or adding another tax, do you think it’s a guarantee they will vote yes?

And conversely, if everyone is asked to vote on a tax increase or an additional tax, do you think it will be easier to get this passed? Oh, and the governing body in this area is promising everyone some brand new free shit with these new taxes

No, of course not. Don’t be obtuse and offer up straw man arguments.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

In Congress, July 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator


The founders own words seem to spell it out fairly clearly. The number one way freedom is removed from any people, is when they give up the position of God and turn it over to some other body. That is the cancer that eats at the core of most people in this country. The master they serve is green.

I would encourage all to evaluate how you've treated each other in this thread and ask what master you serve. Being witty on the internet is likely costing you more than you think.

I dont think religion should be a public matter and definitely not a place to tell others what to do. Its about the most dividing aspect in human culture there is. Keep your religion personal and dont have the expectation that other people have the same faith. This discussion is not about religion.

Its about pulling the reigns on a tyrannical Government. IMO religion should not be included as its one of the most divisive topics in human social structure.

I dont care what your invisible friend in the sky tells you.

 

[Soulezoo]

Government eventually leads to slavery. To (Govern) people will always lead to the peoples enslavement. Always has, always will.

This is because most humans, instinctively, want slavery or a form of it. They want to be taken care of. They don't want the risk that comes from true freedom and having to fend for themselves.
In medieval Europe, most serfs that were offered freedom turned it down. Rather be a serf and have the protection of the Lord than be self sufficient. Sort of like paying for protection to the mafia.

 

[The D]

No, of course not. Don’t be obtuse and offer up straw man arguments.

These are not straw man arguments, this is how it works. Every political campaign, whether it’s for a public works project or representative voting, has some sort of promise attached to it.

Do you like that a bunch of welfare recipients in the largest city in your state get to vote for more parks, better sec 8 housing, additional food stamps on your dime?

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

We can probably agree that the first step in attempting to make a change in our nation, is that people have to get on the same page and agree on something if we want to move forward together..... I think it’s pretty obvious that will never happen, because look at this thread. I think for the most part, we’re like-minded people here on the Hide, but a few of us knuckleheads in one thread about government can’t even agree on a solution, so how do we expect millions to get on board and try to right this ship? Not gonna happen.

For me personally, the covid hoax convinced me that this country will never turn the corner; the vast majority of us rolled over and took it in the ass from our “leaders,” and we did next to nothing about it.

For me, I think the wisest thing we can do at this point is prepare to protect ourselves and our families. Protect them from what? Look around you and decide.
I’m in agreement with a certain prophet we call AJ, that’s all I’ll say about that.

But is the only option "completely reverse this atrocity " or " do nothing and watch it burn" ????

Isn't another option also to make some changes and get things back to the point where we actually vote and those votes matter, then.... be able to have a TEA party type movement and get some things in place like term limits for example, or No lobbying after serving in office, or many other things suggested ITT???

I'm not pretending that the situation is better than it is, but I also just don't believe that all out revolution or doing nothing is the only options. IF....(big if I know), we could get on the same page with an agenda and execute that locally, and then statewide, then nationally, like the tea party did, and make it have a backbone, we could do something like a tax strike, or similar, and with an open and honest Twitter, it could definitely be done, or a "no unfair taxes" ect movement.

 

[SilentStalkr]

I don’t know that I 100% agree with all of Wades stuff but we tend to agree on a lot of things. And imo, he isnt 100% wrong about the current gov. You see, people like to blame just politicians all the time but it’s deeper than that. The entire system as a whole is corrupt. It’s nothing but self serving greed for the most part. I encourage anyone to talk to your local police, befriend them etc. they can explain a lot and frankly I don’t know how they maintain enough drive to continue to do their job. You see even locally, they don’t care about laws, they care about cash flow. The cops may go in thinking they are doing the right thing, they may want to do the right thing, but at some point will learn that the system they work for isn’t helping them in reality. What do I mean? Here is a couple of examples. A lot of counties will arrest guys, and let even murderers go on low bond, I’m told by friends in local LE. I’ve also heard on more than one occasion of a buddy of mine arresting the same creeps multiple times in one day. Does that sound like an org that is really upholding any laws and making a difference or does it sound more like someone making money every time someone is bonded out? Still confused? Asking yourself why the middle guy gets so much flak I the process while the rich and low income walk free? Because the rich guy has enough to pay off the right people and the low income guy they make so little off of they just keep letting them out to make as much as they can off of them every time they are brought it. They don’t want to keep them in jail because that costs money, not makes them money. See, they make the most off of the middle guy in the chain, the law abiding that they try to stick something stupid to and actually enforce on him, but won’t for the rich or the low income. Does that sound anywhere like a fair justice system? No, it’s all about money.

They don’t even fine or do anything to most people that lie to the cops, have stolen tags, don’t have auto insurance, etc. see the avg every day Officer that’s been on the job awhile doesn’t care about those things, unless it’s one of the likely middle class guys that they can make some money off of. If they are lucky, they may pass up the middle class guy without a valid tag or insurance to as they are after bigger fish and have likely been told as such by their superiors. No for the most part, they let a lot of things slide on the daily. How do I know this happens? Because I know lots of people in LE and I’ve seen it with my own eyes. Which begs the question, if nobody is going to enforce all laws equally, then why have laws at all? Serious question. I like having police and laws but if the police aren’t enforcing them and doing them correctly across the board then why have them? When normal people that do all they can to play by the rules see such things, they begin to scratch their heads and ask why they continue to play by the rules. This is serious business because of enough of the rule followers start thinking this way then we are gonna have a problem at some point. Once again, laws only apply to those willing to follow them and I see a whole lot of people that’s always done the right thing, starting to get screwed by the system that are now asking themselves why they play along. I don’t know of a perfect form of gov, I don’t know how you can carry out all laws justly, but what we currently have is failing.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

I dont think religion should be a public matter and definitely not a place to tell others what to do. Its about the most dividing aspect in human culture there is. Keep your religion personal and dont have the expectation that other people have the same faith. This discussion is not about religion.

Its about pulling the reigns on a tyrannical Government. IMO religion should not be included as its one of the most divisive topics in human social structure.

I dont care what your invisible friend in the sky tells you.

You cannot separate God from this discussion. That is also Not religion. Our country was founded on Godly principles and on the idea that Our Creator gives us certain rights, not man. Whatever your personal issue with God is, I truly hope and will pray that it gets worked out, but it doesn't have to color everything, and "religion " is not God.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

A few weeks ago a local department had a roundup. All the outstanding warrants and drug offenders were arrested. I think the number was around 95 people. They splashed headlines in the local paper and news about the big bust. Which was exactly that. A giant bust. 89 posted bond or released on their own recognizance that very day or the next.

I don’t know that I 100% agree with all of Wades stuff but we tend to agree on a lot of things. And imo, he isnt 100% wrong about the current gov. You see, people like to blame just politicians all the time but it’s deeper than that. The entire system as a whole is corrupt. It’s nothing but self serving greed for the most part. I encourage anyone to talk to your local police, befriend them etc. they can explain a lot and frankly I don’t know how they maintain enough drive to continue to do their job. You see even locally, they don’t care about laws, they care about cash flow. The cops may go in thinking they are doing the right thing, they may want to do the right thing, but at some point will learn that the system they work for isn’t helping them in reality. What do I mean? Here is a couple of examples. A lot of counties will arrest guys, and let even murderers go on low bond, I’m told by friends in local LE. I’ve also heard on more than one occasion of a buddy of mine arresting the same creeps multiple times in one day. Does that sound like an org that is really upholding any laws and making a difference or does it sound more like someone making money every time someone is bonded out? Still confused? Asking yourself why the middle guy gets so much flak I the process while the rich and low income walk free? Because the rich guy has enough to pay off the right people and the low income guy they make so little off of they just keep letting them out to make as much as they can off of them every time they are brought it. They don’t want to keep them in jail because that costs money, not makes them money. See, they make the most off of the middle guy in the chain, the law abiding that they try to stick something stupid to and actually enforce on him, but won’t for the rich or the low income. Does that sound anywhere like a fair justice system? No, it’s all about money.

They don’t even fine or do anything to most people that lie to the cops, have stolen tags, don’t have auto insurance, etc. see the avg every day Officer that’s been on the job awhile doesn’t care about those things, unless it’s one of the likely middle class guys that they can make some money off of. If they are lucky, they may pass up the middle class guy without a valid tag or insurance to as they are after bigger fish and have likely been told as such by their superiors. No for the most part, they let a lot of things slide on the daily. How do I know this happens? Because I know lots of people in LE and I’ve seen it with my own eyes. Which begs the question, if nobody is going to enforce all laws equally, then why have laws at all? Serious question. I like having police and laws but if the police aren’t enforcing them and doing them correctly across the board then why have them? When normal people that do all they can to play by the rules see such things, they begin to scratch their heads and ask why they continue to play by the rules. This is serious business because of enough of the rule followers start thinking this way then we are gonna have a problem at some point. Once again, laws only apply to those willing to follow them and I see a whole lot of people that’s always done the right thing, starting to get screwed by the system that are now asking themselves why they play along. I don’t know of a perfect form of gov, I don’t know how you can carry out all laws justly, but what we currently have is failing.

If you didn't read the entire article you would never know. Because the local print was the only place that included that info. Of course it was the last paragraph.
Making the community safer. Ummm, not so much