snb German not made in china yet , zeise German unless they went Japanese / Chinese glass to cut cost , Ior Romania German glass assembled in Bucharest there are a few more
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Which one is the best? Or is it all just made to spec?
Who’s making the MPO’s then? Brownell’s says 100% Japanese?MPO is not made by LOW.
There are four OEMs in Japan, including LOW.
ILya
I think he said JOL which is a one of the four Japanese companies I presume...I think the crimson trace 5 series made in Japan while the 3series are made in the phillipines and down from thereWho’s making the MPO’s then? Brownell’s says 100% Japanese?
A lot of things go together to make China products sell. Labor here is high and China's labor costs are miniscule. We've allowed them shipping enhancements. The EPA, OSHA and other agencies have hamstrung our manufacturing. They manipulate their money.
The government sued Redfield for dumping "toxic waste" into a river. (creek?) Never said what it was. It could have been anything from a dirty diaper to sodium cyanide. Nobody makes glass here. As far as i know there's only Schott and Light Optic.
It's what we've made it over the years. Leupold puts together stuff with parts made elsewhere I think. They have a hard time competing with the Asian imports. Their warrantee has been good but is changing. You can send your scope in and they'll fix it or check it but won't upgrade it.
It's what it is and that's what we've got to work with. It could get better if we'd quit electing democrats but that won't happen.
I think he said JOL which is a one of the four Japanese companies I presume...I think the crimson trace 5 series made in Japan while the 3series are made in the phillipines and down from there
The MPO (I have the 5-25x56) seems to be very good quality. At $1000 it’s a very good buy.Correct. There are a lot of similarities between MPO and Crimson Trace 5-series and both are made by JOL.
ILya
This is not correctSome of the Kalhles are made in Greeley as well.
Welp. I’m retarded. I was thinking Steiner not Kahles lol. My bad.
Except my MRO died in my safe? Sent it back, they replaced it two years ago. Now in two years, on setting 2 where it should have a 5 year battery life, battery died?I love my ACOGs but not impressed with the MRO. For red dots I’ll stick with Aimpoint.trijicon makes a great product, and they are not produced by our enemies the chinese.
A bunch of companies make glass in the US, but it is not coming used in higher end products, not riflescopes.
There most prominent is probably Corning.
ILya
Corning made the mirrors/glass for the Hubble Space telescope. Then when they found out it was just a hair off our astronauts went out and fixed it. Touch that shit, China.
Murica.![]()
The Hubble telescope glass was made by Perkin-Elmer Corporation. The best glass in the world is Schott Glass which all High end optics uses (Leica, Swaro, Zeiss S&B) and is 100% owned by Zeiss. No US glass makes make glass for rifle scopes.That is funny...and true
WrongThe Hubble telescope glass was made by Perkin-Elmer Corporation. The best glass in the world is Schott Glass which all High end optics uses (Leica, Swaro, Zeiss S&B) and is 100% owned by Zeiss. No US glass makes make glass for rifle scopes.
Wrong. AMG uses US glass.No US glass makes make glass for rifle scopes.
What Rob01 already pointed out. Vortex AMG uses USA made lenses.About what part?
Please tell us the name of the glass manufacturer then? Vortex does not have a furnace so please share.Wrong. AMG uses US glass.
Please tell us the name of the glass manufacturer then? Vortex does not have a furnace so please share.
Well considering I sold millions and millions of dollars worth of Vortex optics I might have a clue. No optical glass maker in the US, best glass in the world is all Schott Glass which is why every expensive scope in the world gladly advertises it. The AMG is a very very excellent scope regardless. Lots of companies charge 2K for a scope made in Japan eve let alone assembled in the US. FYI I would not want a scope with glass made in the US anyway. Nikon, LOW, Schott in Japan and others have been doing Optical glass for a very very long time. All your good cameras are German or Japanese as well. Corning made the sheet of glass for the telescope, but Perkin-Elmer Corporation is who ground it, polished it and screwed it up.You will have to ask Vortex. I did not say they made it in house but they use US made glass. It’s a well known fact as the AMG was 100% made in the US until the reticle maker couldn’t keep up so they went with a German reticle. Other than that all US including glass.
Well guess you know more than Vortex about their products. LolWell considering I sold millions and millions of dollars worth of Vortex optics I might have a clue. No optical glass maker in the US, best glass in the world is all Schott Glass which is why every expensive scope in the world gladly advertises it.
Well considering I sold millions and millions of dollars worth of Vortex optics I might have a clue. No optical glass maker in the US, best glass in the world is all Schott Glass which is why every expensive scope in the world gladly advertises it. The AMG is a very very excellent scope regardless. Lots of companies charge 2K for a scope made in Japan eve let alone assembled in the US. FYI I would not want a scope with glass made in the US anyway. Nikon, LOW, Schott in Japan and others have been doing Optical glass for a very very long time. All your good cameras are German or Japanese as well. Corning made the sheet of glass for the telescope, but Perkin-Elmer Corporation is who ground it, polished it and screwed it up.
What Rob01 already pointed out. Vortex AMG uses USA made lenses.
Schott makes many many lines of glass, heck they make glass for everything. Medical devices, satellites, microscopes, etc. All Swarovski, S&B, Khales, Leica and Zeiss etc is Schott. Don't need to convince anyone, show up to SHOT, meet the manufacturers and talk to them. Review the specs on light dispersion, light transmission, chromatic aberration, etc. It's simply numbers that don't lie. For instance, a very very good scope lets in 92% of light, share with everyone what the AMG lets in? You won't find it anywhere in writing. I am not knocking that scope, I have one and freaking love it, more to a rifle scope than just the lens. Both Razors are built like a tank and I think worth every dime. Just educating you from a guy who has sold tens of millions of dollars worth of them all, have them all on rifles, go to SHOT every year and talk to the manufacturers, etc and use them every weekend some small facts that honestly are not likely important enough to really make a difference. You seem emotional on this for some reason. No scope maker on the planet disagrees that Schott glass is where to start if you can afford it for the pricepoint of the scope they hope to make. It's very very expensive. The Zeiss Victory Binos have 12 of the most expensive pieces of glass in the world in them, not going to sell for 500 bucks sorry, the lens cost more than that. My favorite scope on the planet right now and I can buy anything is likely the Leica PRS for whats it's worth.We have another Philip in our midst. Schott this and Schott that... Next you're going to try to convince us that IOR scopes are the best because they use Schott glass.
SorryEh, I was hoping for a Hubble argument.....![]()
Unless it's changed in the last 1-2 years https://www.optics-trade.eu/blog/where-are-vortex-binoculars-made/
Nice to know you are emotional about your scope, that's awesome you love it. I don't disagree it's not a great scope. I won't why all the other top scope makers in the world disagree and exclusively use Schott glass? They must all be wrong and you must be right, maybe you should reach out to them and give them advice on what makes a good rifle scope? My understanding from Schott came from the Swaro booth, Leica booth, Zeiss guys, etc. Not sure why I would not listen to them? They can buy from anyone, heck buying from Schott is paying their competitor for Swaro, I am assuming they would rather buy it from anyone but them!No emotion, I've just read all the same Schott fanboi shit over and over and over on this site.
I own a Razor, I know they are good.
By the way, nice flex on how much product you've moved, I still don't care.
Nope, per above I agree and said exactly that. There is a TON to a scope not just a piece of raw glass! I think LOW in japan who makes Nightforce, used to make some Vortex, Bushnell, etc obviously does a great job, whoever is making the lens for the top of the line Leupold does a great job and they sure seem to make a quality product. Maybe Vortex is having the lens made in the US now, if they are that's news to me. Most of the expensive scopes in the world can buy glass from anyone, and they almost exclusively buy from one place.How is this thread back again?
There are quite a few optical glass manufacturers out there, Schott is far from being the only one. Schott might be the largest though, which is likely one of the reasons you see their glass used so much.
The whole glass origin argument is so blindingly stupid that I do not want to rehash the whole thing, especially with Phillip back.
If you really want to think that in order to be good a scope has to have Schott glass, keep in mind that Schott has a factory in the US and if you really want to you can buy raw glass from there. I used to do exactly that a few jobs ago.
Generally, if you are willing to spend the money, you can get equally excellent melts from Schott, Corning, Ohara and a few others.
ILya
Thanks Yes UHD all say Japan on the box, about 4 years ago the old Razor binos moved from Japan to China. Although the only reason being according to the rep was the factory in Japan flat could not keep up they said.That is slightly outdated. Razor UHD binoculars are made in Japan, while the slightly less expensive Razor HD binoculars are made in China (used to be Japan). Razor HD spotters are made in China and re-aligned in the US.
Razor riflescopes are made in Japan with some additional work done in the US where appropriate.
ILya
Nope, per above I agree and said exactly that. There is a TON to a scope not just a piece of raw glass! I think LOW in japan who makes Nightforce, used to make some Vortex, Bushnell, etc obviously does a great job, whoever is making the lens for the top of the line Leupold does a great job and they sure seem to make a quality product. Maybe Vortex is having the lens made in the US now, if they are that's news to me. Most of the expensive scopes in the world can buy glass from anyone, and they almost exclusively buy from one place.
Are you talking about why the mirror was jacked up?Eh, I was hoping for a Hubble argument.....![]()
Schott Glass, and moving bazillions of $$ worth of optics, bro.Are you talking about why the mirror was jacked up?
Are you talking about why the mirror was jacked up?
The owner of DSG is an old friend and worked for me when we were deployed in Afghanistan. Great guy.Yea, mostly.
The XTR3, some Steiners and Leupolds, USO FDN and many others use foreign lenses and reticles. They outsource the anodizing to local anodizers, and turn their own bodies, housings and threaded parts.
I spent alot of time asking questions with USO before I gave them my money. They were pretty forthcoming and willing to answer questions.
They were bought out by a company called Downrange Solutions Group. Downrange Solutions Group is a big OEM AR15 parts supplier, supplying a large fraction of the unbranded or OEM branded barrels, uppers, lowers, lower parts, pins, bolts and bolt carriers sold by companies like Palmetto, Joe Bob's, Bravo Company and many others.
Downrange Solutions Group also Owns Zero Delta Manufacturing, who is located in the same building as US Optics. Zero Delta is doing the majority of USOs body, tube and small parts manufacturing for the FDN scopes. The TS series is strait up Chinese.
USO buys their FDN series glass from
Schott AG, which is imported from Germany, then finished in Schotts Duryea, PA facility.