Price Check in the Gas and Diesel Aisle...

[Hobo Hilton]

Yellen waves the "White Flag".... American's suffer at the pumps:

Yellen: It Is “Virtually Impossible” To Avoid Oil Market Shocks | OilPrice.com

U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said that the United States is in active discussions with European officials over new ways to limit Russian oil revenues

oilprice.com

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Any mechanics want to chime in on the potential impacts of this?

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2022-06-03/epa-raises-amount-of-ethanol-that-must-be-blended-with-gas

No problem as long as you change all the O rings or buy a new vehicle with the proper O Rings already in the fuel system...

https://blog.parker.com/site/usa/details-home-page/what-o-rings-do-you-recommend-for-an-e85-rated-assembly-us

 

[n2ishun]

Any mechanics want to chime in on the potential impacts of this?

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2022-06-03/epa-raises-amount-of-ethanol-that-must-be-blended-with-gas

Gasoline burns at 1 part fuel to 14.7 parts air (ideally 14.7:1 ratio at cruise, accel and decel are different).
Ethanol burns at 1 part fuel to 9 parts air under the same stipulations, thus using lots more "fuel" per mile.
Methanol burns at 1 part fuel to 6.47 parts air using even more fuel per mile.

Anything that uses a carburetor will have to be rejetted, or a new carb bought for it (lawnmowers, chainsaws, weedeaters, gas powered tractors, what have you...).
Alcohol does burn cooler and cleaner, and does have a higher octane rating than gas.
Many things will be incompatible if the alcohol is at a high enough content, fuel lines, gaskets, (aforementioned) o-rings, fuel filters, etc etc etc etc.
Alcohol fires are invisible...... this will prove to be a true mutha fucker, just wait.
Full computer controlled fuel injection vehicles can change mixture on the fly, it is unknown if they can swing far enough to accommodate high levels of alcohol (there are no specs on the amount of self adjustment).
Flex fuel vehicles are (should be) going to be ok with this.

See...

Stoichiometry - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And

Common ethanol fuel mixtures - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(this contains info about incompatibility issues)

Here is something for those too lazy....

 

[devildog93]

On the plus side, if you have money to burn and always wanted a boosted e85 car, I guess now is a perfect time to build it if you can get parts.

 

[Inifinty]

Gasoline burns at 1 part fuel to 14.7 parts air (ideally 14.7:1 ratio at cruise, accel and decel are different).
Ethanol burns at 1 part fuel to 9 parts air under the same stipulations, thus using lots more "fuel" per mile.
Methanol burns at 1 part fuel to 6.47 parts air using even more fuel per mile.

Anything that uses a carburetor will have to be rejetted, or a new carb bought for it (lawnmowers, chainsaws, weedeaters, gas powered tractors, what have you...).
Alcohol does burn cooler and cleaner, and does have a higher octane rating than gas.
Many things will be incompatible if the alcohol is at a high enough content, fuel lines, gaskets, (aforementioned) o-rings, fuel filters, etc etc etc etc.
Alcohol fires are invisible...... this will prove to be a true mutha fucker, just wait.
Full computer controlled fuel injection vehicles can change mixture on the fly, it is unknown if they can swing far enough to accommodate high levels of alcohol (there are no specs on the amount of self adjustment).
Flex fuel vehicles are (should be) going to be ok with this.

See...

Stoichiometry - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And

Common ethanol fuel mixtures - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(this contains info about incompatibility issues)

Here is something for those too lazy....

View attachment 7888097

Thanks, but I am mostly wondering what this might do to the serviceability of the vast majority of cars that aren't built to run flex fuel.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

On the plus side, if you have money to burn and always wanted a boosted e85 car, I guess now is a perfect time to build it if you can get parts.

Put your order in with the Repo Man.... He will be snagging some good stuff in 6 months...... Watched people walk off with the shirt on their back in previous recessions... Left good shit behind because no one had any money to buy it.... Now, 12 years later, they will do the same thing all over again. Insanity

 

[Bigfatcock]

Thanks, but I am mostly wondering what this might do to the serviceability of the vast majority of cars that aren't built to run flex fuel.

Probably fuck them up.

 

[MK20]

It will severely decease the life of soft components in the fuel system and lead to much worse fuel economy

 

[n2ishun]

Thanks, but I am mostly wondering what this might do to the serviceability of the vast majority of cars that aren't built to run flex fuel.

Look closely at the chart I posted.

TLDR;
Fuck them up.

 

[E. Bryant]

On the plus side, if you have money to burn and always wanted a boosted e85 car, I guess now is a perfect time to build it if you can get parts.

Nope, it's unfortunately become less economical to do a E85 build. E85 was about 30% cheaper than E10 when I did a flex-fuel setup on my ZL1; now it's less than 20% cheaper in my area and getting worse every time the price jumps.

On the other hand, my decision to buy a diesel E350 van looks better and better each week.

 

[Inifinty]

Look closely at the chart I posted.

TLDR;
Fuck them up.

 

[Bigfatcock]

these high gas prices are on purpose. DotGov is trying to stop the inflation without raising interest rates, so they can put the burden on the American citizen instead of the holders of debt and equity. It’s a hidden tax and a war by the government on its citizens.

For those who don’t read what the fed and admin put out, their legit stated plan to tame inflation is to make you broke as fuck.

As @Bender would remind us, our government hates us.

 

[E. Bryant]

It will severely decease the life of soft components in the fuel system and lead to much worse fuel economy

The difference in the service life and fuel economy will be negligible for almost passenger car built in the past 25 years. Auto manufacturers have been very good about using materials compatible with ethanol, and refiners have been using much better additives to prevent phase separation. Newer fuel systems are also much "tighter" due to regulations related to evaporative emissions, and so there is far less opportunity to pull moisture into the fuel system from the ambient air.

Power equipment and other off-highway stuff is a different story.

 

[n2ishun]

Right now, I have a 1948 Ford 80b tractor I'm working on, great shape, low hours, just sat for the last 50 years....so lotsa dirt dauber nests and stuff.
A 2010 Lexus I250 that won't run most of the time.
A 1981 Chevy 3/4 ton long bed with 50k miles on it (also sat for a long ass time) that has a flat cam.....going to put a summit RV cam in it.

I'm going to have to actively modify all 3 for higher levels of alcohol in the fuel.
Having pretty serious cancer slows me down a bunch.....it's one of those "I'll get to it when I get to it" things.
Now I'm going to be even slower.
Can I get a "No Joy" my bruthas ?

 

[tomcatmv]

Right now, I have a 1948 Ford 80b tractor I'm working on, great shape, low hours, just sat for the last 50 years....so lotsa dirt dauber nests and stuff.
A 2010 Lexus I250 that won't run most of the time.
A 1981 Chevy 3/4 ton long bed with 50k miles on it (also sat for a long ass time) that has a flat cam.....going to put a summit RV cam in it.

I'm going to have to actively modify all 3 for higher levels of alcohol in the fuel.
Having pretty serious cancer slows me down a bunch.....it's one of those "I'll get to it when I get to it" things.
Now I'm going to be even slower.
Can I get a "No Joy" my bruthas ?

Stay strong man. If you're located anywhere in central TX I'd be glad to come help you out with some wrenching.

 

[OkieMike]

I don't own a diesel vehicle so I rarely pay attention to those prices...

At 16:30 yesterday I paid $4.50/gal. for 87 E10 at my hometown gas station here in far NE Oklahoma.

Mike

 

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[E. Bryant]

That's not GM's CEO, who is Mary Barra (who came up through the ranks as an engineer and knows a thing or two). The person in that video is just a spokesman..., er, spokeswoman..., er, spokesperson. And yeah, she stepped in it, big-time - her job is literally to talk to the media intelligently.

 

[BullGear]

Well now. Bj's gas station was closed. No gas. Truck should be there sometime later today. I guess it doesn't matter how high the gas is per gallon. If they have none to sell, it's going to be priceless.

 

[E. Bryant]

That's not GM's CEO, who is Mary Barra (who came up through the ranks as an engineer and knows a thing or two). The person in that video is just a spokesman..., er, spokeswoman..., er, spokesperson. And yeah, she stepped in it, big-time - her job is literally to talk to the media intelligently.

Following up on this... oh, wow, this is painful:

News | Michigan State University

www.egr.msu.edu

If I was a Wolverine then I'd be obligated to throw some shade at MSU, but nope, I'm a Huskie and generally stay out of that shit.

 

[E. Bryant]

Well now. Bj's gas station was closed. No gas. Truck should be there sometime later today. I guess it doesn't matter how high the gas is per gallon. If they have none to sell, it's going to be priceless.

This is the scenario that worries me the most - "unavailable at any cost". The weirdness in some of these prices along with reports of potential upcoming regional shortages makes me think that we're not far from a partial or complete collapse.

TP and processed lunch meat I can do without, but too many valuable activities depend upon diesel distillates for me to pretend that it's no big deal.

 

[Bigfatcock]

It’s almost time for me to barter food and gas for ass.

 

[BullGear]

It’s almost time for me to barter food and gas for ass.

Who on the Hide are you looking to work with???

 

[yungsarge]

For your information... Gas price is going to the moon. My question is for how long are we all gonna tolerate this inflation that they created.

 

[gopherslayer]

WTI is $122/barrel right now.

 

[BullGear]

Truckers will have to lead the revolt. When it becomes too restrictive for the OTR truckers to operate, things are going to get bad. The worse thing is that you just can't turn up refineries and start having fuels distributed around the country overnight.

My guess is at least 30, maybe 60 days just for the refineries and that doesn't include new oil production. We are screwed for at the very least over the Summer.

I can't store gas in 55 gallon drums, but I sure can fill up a shed full of gas cans. That's what I was doing today when I found Bj's out of gas. I've got almost 20 gas cans. I promise you by the end of next week I will have them all filled.

We are also going on a food run to a food distribution center I have access to. We will also start canning the first of July.

It's better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it.

 

[Herb Stoner]

$6.69 for premium

Was up to $7.09 last week. Could be more now - not slowing down…

 

[Bigfatcock]

Who on the Hide are you looking to work with???

Only hot ladies 18 and older(19 if from Alabama).

 

[Hobo Hilton]

WTI is $122/barrel right now.

And they are saying the price is DOWN ! ! !...... Maybe 0.05%

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Truckers will have to lead the revolt. When it becomes too restrictive for the OTR truckers to operate, things are going to get bad. The worse thing is that you just can't turn up refineries and start having fuels distributed around the country overnight.

My guess is at least 30, maybe 60 days just for the refineries and that doesn't include new oil production. We are screwed for at the very least over the Summer.

I can't store gas in 55 gallon drums, but I sure can fill up a shed full of gas cans. That's what I was doing today when I found Bj's out of gas. I've got almost 20 gas cans. I promise you by the end of next week I will have them all filled.

We are also going on a food run to a food distribution center I have access to. We will also start canning the first of July.

It's better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it.

I gathered all of the gas cans I could locate last week.... That was a $200 run to fill with the 87 octane gasoline.

 

[Im2bent]

Good ol Socal, like in The Valley.

 

[n2ishun]

Right now, I have a 1948 Ford 80b tractor I'm working on, great shape, low hours, just sat for the last 50 years....so lotsa dirt dauber nests and stuff.
A 2010 Lexus I250 that won't run most of the time.
A 1981 Chevy 3/4 ton long bed with 50k miles on it (also sat for a long ass time) that has a flat cam.....going to put a summit RV cam in it.

I'm going to have to actively modify all 3 for higher levels of alcohol in the fuel.
Having pretty serious cancer slows me down a bunch.....it's one of those "I'll get to it when I get to it" things.
Now I'm going to be even slower.
Can I get a "No Joy" my bruthas ?

Put almost $200 in spark plugs in the Lexus....just over 190,000 miles on them, it might have been prudent eh ?
Them suckers are just over $20 each here locally....tri tip iridium, which is a fancy new wave way of saying "cubic dollars squared".
Had to remove upper intake manifold to install them, nothing is ever easy on the wanna-be fancy cars.
Found a bad primary fuel pump (yup, it has the primary in the tank and a secondary mechanical high pressure that runs off a camshaft).
It's direct combustion chamber injected....so of course it had a code for the fuel pressure sensor, but that cleared out fine and was due to the primary failing.
Good thing the fuel pump module is cheap, they want $400+ here local so I got the same Delco from Scamazon for 1/2 that.
Funk RockAuto....the most expensive shipping you'll ever need.
1 down, 2 to go.

 

[Maggot]

Fuck Joe Biden.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

The difference 15 months make.....

Keystone pipeline officially canceled after Biden revokes key permit

The Keystone XL pipeline was expected to carry 830,000 barrels per day of Alberta oil sands crude to Nebraska.

www.cnbc.com

President Biden Looks For Ways To Increase U.S. Refining Capacity | OilPrice.com

U.S. President Joe Biden continues to look for ways to bring down the high cost of gasoline—and the latest efforts have him taking a hard look at U.S. refinery capacity

oilprice.com

 

[mosin46]

87 octane $4.90 today in gainesville,fl

 

[Hobo Hilton]

National average gas prices​

AAA Fuel Prices

 

[BullGear]

No change for 3 days in my area. Gotta be some kinda record.

 

[MJF]

$4.99 for regular and $5.69 for diesel.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

No change for 3 days in my area. Gotta be some kinda record.

We call that the "plateau". Don't let that fool you.

 

[VSP968]

Springfield, Virginia

Edited to add: Thank you Mr Potato Head.

 

[Bigfatcock]

Biden looking to address oil refinery capacity, White House adviser says

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -U.S. President Joe Biden is looking at ways to bring in more oil supplies amid rising energy costs, including working to address oil refinery capacity, White House economic adviser Cecelia Rouse said on Friday. "He is looking for what he can do administratively, whether...

www.yahoo.com

Gee, who could have known that an all out war against oil would cause a massive pay cut to Americans, and lead to shit polls?

 

[E. Bryant]

So we're going to address a few decades of shitty public policy with an executive order? Heh. Short of inventing the 27-hour day, I don't see anything that can be done if it wasn't started back when Biden first got elected VP.

As I mentioned to a friend the other day - "drill baby, drill" was kinda stupid by 2008 standards but pretty much qualifies as a doctoral thesis in 2022.

 

[Inifinty]

paging @Bigfatcock

 

[Bigfatcock]

paging @Bigfatcock

Is she over 18 (19 in Alabama)?

 

[Inifinty]

Is she over 18 (19 in Alabama)?

I don't know, but if shit gets much worse we are gonna have to call you "The Oracle".

 

[Bigfatcock]

I don’t like being as right as I have been. Americans are genuinely hurting.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

I don’t like being as right as I have been. Americans are genuinely hurting.

You are using my own, old saying... I hate to be right. We saw this one coming almost 2 years ago. This is what free Government money does to a nation.

 

[E. Bryant]

I don’t like being as right as I have been. Americans are genuinely hurting.

Yep. It's not the dude who just dropped $75k on a new pickup truck that's in trouble; it's the gal driving a 2006 Tahoe to her three waitressing jobs. This isn't good and simply taking inflation to 0% doesn't do anything to unfuck the situation.

 

[37L1]

Yep. It's not the dude who just dropped $75k on a new pickup truck that's in trouble; it's the gal driving a 2006 Tahoe to her three waitressing jobs. This isn't good and simply taking inflation to 0% doesn't do anything to unfuck the situation.

And what's that sign up ahead?

Recession.

It's going to get worse.

 

[Im2bent]

paging @Bigfatcock

That old man is an asshole. Just say no thanks, why call the gestapo