Hello everybody just want peoples opinion on my issue. So was cleaning my tikka after shooting 40 rounds for the first time. I used wipe out and soaked and also g96 and also clp 2000 foam. Many many patches and also bronze bore brush with bronze core. It made the whole barrel spotless and immaculate. However i noticed there is a circle of crud where bullets comes out the neck of case the carbon ring I believe see pic. I tried scrubbing so much other than spinning the brush on a drill which I do for my cheap rimfire. What chemicals are there that is strong enough to remove this ring.
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Get a bore mop, soak in boretech C4 insert into chamber and let it sit and soak for 20-30 minutes, once removed, brush with a nylon bore brush, wipe with oiled patch.
I've found that Bore Tech Eliminator cleans literally everything that happens in my barrels ... carbon, copper, and anything else. It's all I use.
I had a neglected barrel that C4 wouldn't do much and that is even after letting it soak for 24 hrs.
After trying several cleaners, I discovered Through Clean.
Through clean and about 50 passes of a nylon brush made it look like new.
Highly recommend the Iosso brushes
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I bought mine off Amazon.
After trying several cleaners, I discovered Through Clean.
Through clean and about 50 passes of a nylon brush made it look like new.
Highly recommend the Iosso brushes
ThorroClean Bore Cleaner 4oz Liquid System
ThorroClean Bore Cleaning System provides a quick and thorough cleaning of the rifle bore. It completely removes copper and carbon fouling quickly,...
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I bought mine off Amazon.
Thanks for the tips I forgot to mention also tried isso bore paste as well it works awesome but again I want something that does all elbow grease as I’m a bit lazy lol. It’s never like the videos that show cleaning 3-4 patches and it’s gone. If they actually did a real video it would take an hour minimum.
I heard really good things about this product and bought it ... just haven't had time to try it out yet.I had a neglected barrel that C4 wouldn't do much and that is even after letting it soak for 24 hrs.
After trying several cleaners, I discovered Through Clean.
Through clean and about 50 passes of a nylon brush made it look like new.
Highly recommend the Iosso brushes
ThorroClean Bore Cleaner 4oz Liquid System
ThorroClean Bore Cleaning System provides a quick and thorough cleaning of the rifle bore. It completely removes copper and carbon fouling quickly,...
I bought mine off Amazon.
My understanding is Through Clean is liquefied Iosso paste. Not 100% sure of that.
I tried JB also and I found that Through Clean was a little easier and cleaner.
No having to wrap a patch around a worn brush..sometimes getting them off was a huge PITA.
Kroil is before and during the cleaning process.
Somewhere I read that you use Kroil and let it sit for a while and that helps in the cleaning process since it is a penetrating oil. Then you also want some on the patch brfore applying a JB paste.
Here is what Brownells says about JB...scroll about half way down for the video.
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I also use this. I really like it. It’s faster with bronze brushes, I’ve used the Iosso nylon brushes too, but I keep going back to bronze. Haven’t seen any negative affects yet.I had a neglected barrel that C4 wouldn't do much and that is even after letting it soak for 24 hrs.
After trying several cleaners, I discovered Through Clean.
Through clean and about 50 passes of a nylon brush made it look like new.
Highly recommend the Iosso brushes
ThorroClean Bore Cleaner 4oz Liquid System
ThorroClean Bore Cleaning System provides a quick and thorough cleaning of the rifle bore. It completely removes copper and carbon fouling quickly,...
I bought mine off Amazon.
Dude you are going to ruin that barrel before you shoot it out with the way you are “cleaning” it. You are way overdoing it and mixing a bunch of stuff.
I’d never use any abrasive paste in my bores. Not needed. Pick a good solvent and use it. It will eat the carbon and copper. I use Butch’s Bore Shine but others out there. After using the solvent I dry patch and then a couple patches of Kroil and then a couple dry patches and done.
And put the bore scope in the closet. They cause more issues than they fix.
If one uses a bore scope, one has to do so in a certain frame of mind. Otherwise, it’ll drive you nuts. I don’t fret over every speck I see. I periodically inspect the bore to make sure I’m staying ahead of carbon buildup in the throat area primarily. I don’t expect it to be totally carbon free. My bore scope has shown me that my Savage Model 12 LRPV has a tendency to copper foul, so I pay attention to that. I think the real key is to stay ahead and not let the stuff build up.
I have not tried it, but I've read a handful of other people discuss soaking their barrels in CLR for hours. I've read that if you ever have a serious, really determined carbon ring, about the only way to get rid of it is to soak it in CLR..
Brian Litz has an instructional video on YT showing how he uses JB paste and explains his rational it’s a good watch.
Thorroclean system with a caliber size larger bronze brush. The 20 back & forth passes will remove the carbon ring while it cleans the bore. Thorroclean is Iosso in a suspension. I spoke to the owner of Iosso who said that they make the solution for Bullet Central who sells it as Thorroclean. If you use straight Iosso you can suspend it in their triple action oil, kroil, CLP, etc. I've seen no ill effects in 5-7 barrels for the past nearly 2yrs. No smell, barrel clean in minutes.
It's a good thing you have a borescope and saw the carbon ring build up.
It's a good thing you have a borescope and saw the carbon ring build up.
I havent tried an upsized brush but otherwise I do the same. Will give it a shot.
.25 for .224, .308 for 7mm, .338 for .308 Dewey no harm brushes and buy in 12ct bulk packs from Grafs. Clean the gunk off with Gunscrubber.
Once I learned that I could clean my bronze brushes with gunscrubber, my sink thanked me
Did you look through the bore with a bore scope? I have used just about most of the stuff mentioned in this thread. I could get the barrels clean, but to get it looking "new" clean with no carbon in the lands. I have never been able to do.... nor will I waste an hour to keep on scrubbing.
Gracias. I’ve bought some from the gun cleaning brands but its probably cheaper at the auto parts store. Is that stuff harmful to plastic?
It is plastic safe, Red can if can still find it, not so much.
Really Really Stupid question, exactly what are you hoping to gain from super Duper cleaning the barrel to within the last parting Carbon? A bullet traveling at 2800 ft/sec won’t even notice it, but some of these chemicals can damage barrels if not completely removed before the next super duper cleaning product is applied. Most of us can clean a barrel in 10 minutes without multiple chemistry degrees and the shot great.
Ok back to our regularly scheduled freak out. Thanks!
Ok back to our regularly scheduled freak out. Thanks!
Yes I used a borescope before and after. I was skeptical when a fellow shooter told me about it and how easy it was but he’s a good friend so I decided to give it a try. Glad I did
I agree I use eliminator, let it soak. It will remove everything bad and nothing good. And use nylon not bronze brush.
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Assuming you are cleaning a rimfire.
For what must be 30 years now I’ve been using Yamaha Combustion Chamber Cleaner because it’s designed to remove carbon. It isn’t plastic safe, and will probably make you have 4 headed lizard babies, but by gosh it’s safe for steels and will clean that bore…
Without a bunch of scrubbing.
If I want the stainless revolver to look brand new, I remove the grips, set in half an empty bleach jug (a plastic that does resist it’s solvent capability), spray it down and lay a rag over top to control the fumes. 24-48 hrs later the gun looks new. It has a low evaporation rate, and I save and strain it through coffee filters to remove particulates.
Good stuff.
For what must be 30 years now I’ve been using Yamaha Combustion Chamber Cleaner because it’s designed to remove carbon. It isn’t plastic safe, and will probably make you have 4 headed lizard babies, but by gosh it’s safe for steels and will clean that bore…
Without a bunch of scrubbing.
If I want the stainless revolver to look brand new, I remove the grips, set in half an empty bleach jug (a plastic that does resist it’s solvent capability), spray it down and lay a rag over top to control the fumes. 24-48 hrs later the gun looks new. It has a low evaporation rate, and I save and strain it through coffee filters to remove particulates.
Good stuff.
I just use non-chlorinated brake cleaner on my dirty brushes. Outside of course
It's about returning a barrel to a consistent state so a general idea on round count can be established before precision drops off. Knowing/tracking when that is lets you know to clean before the drop off in precision.
...and whatever is left after a Thorroclean can just stay there! That leads me to the carbon build up vs carbon + heat staining. Some mistake the two and chase their tail trying to remove the staining at the throat to a few inches out.
The cleaning philosophy of “ I clean my bore/barrel when it tells me it needs it” interests me. How many rounds and resultant carbon accumulation will one encounter before the barrel speaks up? It just seems to me that that would be a set up for a pretty solid carbon and copper fouling as well as a solid carbon ring.
If you do the never clean method then really don't ever clean it so you don't witness the corrosion/pitting under the fouling.
It might not be the strongest but I've recently started using thorroclean. It gets the job done quickly. I don't scrub until the barrel looks new, I just want to get most of the build up out and clean out the necks. I use nylon brushes that are up one more size and that helps clean out the necks while cleaning the bore.
Does Thorroclean take out copper also?
And sorry but using an abrasive cleaner and brushes larger than bore size just seems to me to be a recipe for disaster. Guess we will see in the long run.
And sorry but using an abrasive cleaner and brushes larger than bore size just seems to me to be a recipe for disaster. Guess we will see in the long run.
Yes it does remove copper (and carbon equally.)
I used to against abrasives but I'm giving Thorroclean a shot. If I find out that it's wearing out barrels prematurely I'll ditch it. So far I haven't seen anything negative.
If you’re being serious, by all means, to each his own. The one thing I’ve concluded when it comes to cleaning rifle barrels is that there is absolutely, positively, NO consensus on 1. How to do it . 2. What to use to do it and 3. How often to do it.
It does. Several barrels with 15-20 cleanings ave on each with Thorroclean and no ill effects so far. The bristles of an overbore brush just bend over more.
I am, I just don't see a benefit for me. Rifle shoots 3/4 moa to 1 moa 10 round groups, so I just live my life and don't worry about cleaning. I don't know enough to guess which magic solution to run through X times per X rounds for X caliber, so I just have always skipped it and it seems just fine.
Rob, it really is a good product. I have used it with nylon brushes and also bronze brushes. Not overbore sized, I use correct size brushes. You get it clean faster with a bronze brush and I’ve seen no ill effects (I clean every 200-300 rounds). But it may be a more conservative approach to use nylon. It seems to be a mild abrasive. It strips copper and fouling. It’s a 2 part system with thorro flush. I’ve tried many solvents etc but man I really like this stuff. I do use a bore scope so as to not overdo it, so far so good.
Please do not use the JB red paste....ask @Frank Green of Bartlein barrels.
As for how to use a mild abrasive like JB Compound (blue), I also follow Mr. Green's advise and its worked well for me.
I've used the JB blue and Rem 40X which is even more mild. I don't use abrasives often but have done so...mostly when I see carbon building up just past where the case neck ends.
Get a Parker Hale style jag (the ones you wrap a patch around like rolling a cigarette), rub some paste into a patch (I dampen it first with Kroil oil...just makes it a bit easier to handle), wrap the patch around the PH jag and run it back and forth 10-15 times without exiting the muzzle, and then short stroke up by the throat.
If all you are interested in is that carbon just past where the neck of the cartridge ends, just do the short stoke. You will have to back your bore guide up a bit after getting the jag/patch into the bore so as to get to that area.
And one other thing you said that caught my attention...."It made the whole barrel spotless and immaculate". Just my view but you aren't doing yourself any favors by always scrubbing it to bare metal.
Best of luck
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