Tariffs and ammo prices?
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People think I'm crazy?
Ozzie has nothing on DGT not eaven with the fucking gravey.
They climed the mountain and were in awe of the gravey but then the Don came rolling up and the leaders caved so fast I couldn't down a 6 pack.
So for all the sheep crying about tarriffs.
Ozzie has nothing on DGT not eaven with the fucking gravey.
They climed the mountain and were in awe of the gravey but then the Don came rolling up and the leaders caved so fast I couldn't down a 6 pack.
So for all the sheep crying about tarriffs.
Ok I lied it was a 12 pack.
I'm getting old and it takes longer to suck down a 12 pack, and oh yea my doctor can kiss my ass.
A couple of days listening to little bitches crying about the end of times and the Don just cants his head and smiles.
keep your eyes on the girls on a rope if you like a real circus the clowns are just a distraction.
I'm getting old and it takes longer to suck down a 12 pack, and oh yea my doctor can kiss my ass.
A couple of days listening to little bitches crying about the end of times and the Don just cants his head and smiles.
keep your eyes on the girls on a rope if you like a real circus the clowns are just a distraction.
I think the market is re-acting and will settle , i am selling NOTHING i advise to be calm the sky is not falling turn off the tv and get on the computer and watch porn for a week .....you will be up. There is profit to be made in this nervous nelly market
Started before that. TV brought the concept of mindless brainwashing right into our homes. Biggest difference was noticing my mom change from nursing, to making up sterilized bottles for “formula” for brother #3. She decided against it for brother 4 and went back to nursing. But during that phase, all the commercials were for boxed this and instant that, and canned other, 60c TV dinners, and machines to make your life “easier”. Didn’t have a microwave until my wife won one in 1974, about 2 months into our young marriage. I don’t think my mother ever had one, into the ‘80’s.
It’s funny to me how tariffs against US goods never kill the economies of countries, but US tariffs against other countries is considered economic suicide. Can anyone explain this anomaly?
True statement. The rest of the statement should read, “ and the US owns extensive antimony deposits, which has mining structure and processing capability. “
Yes and No
First off, I am a Senior Business Consultant for one of the world's largest consulting firms and some of my areas of expertise include supply chain, import/export, distribution, etc. You get the idea, Fortune 500 companies hire me to give them advice on these topics.
No, I can't explain the anomaly you describe, because I have never heard anyone argue that tariffs are economic suicide. A trade war, right now with P/N over two, maybe losing a limb.
But, I can share this, it is pointless to think of this as a standard tariff, it is a trade war. Until Trump took office, the US was part of the WTO, so we had two types of tariffs. The WTO says each nation can impose any tariff they want, as long as they apply it to all countries evenly. The nature of this kind of tariff is to protect the workers in a county. If cheap farm products from overseas will put your farmers out of work, impose a tariff so the farmers can sell. It bypasses the free market and the citizens pay a high price for goods. The country collects the tariff, so it is also an invisible tax paid by the citizens as a higher cost of goods. By definition, a new tariff is a forced inflation factor forced on the country issuing the tariff. In a trade war, that pain is felt on both sides.
The second tariff are those mutually agreed upon by countries who develop a free trade agreement, such as the North American Trade Agreement that Canada, Mexico, and the US had. This is usually countries negotiating lower tariffs than the WTO standard rate for everyone to support symbiotic relationships, like US car makers buying cheaper parts and sub-assemblies from Mexico.
But, Trump is ignoring the WTO rules and the free trade agreement. Trade wars have two effects, they can raise money for a government in need, and they negatively impact the economy of all involved.
Most assume the tariff threats are just posturing for negotiation, but Trump has gone forward and even if they find a middle ground or back off entirely, he may have popped the bubble. The new tariffs raise the overall rate for the US to 12%, the highest it has been since the 1940's.
The Stock Market and Economy are not linear, they get over-inflated (bubble) and pop, switching businesses and people into a save, don't spend, wait to see what will happen mode. The P/N numbers have been saying we are ripe for a correction since 2022, Trump didn't create the bubble, it has been building since before his first term. The bubble probably didn't pop under Biden, because of the massive government subsidies that work as an economic stimulus, a stimulus that Trump is removing while starting a trade war. But the stock market has already fallen 5%, companies are starting hiring freezes, home sales and renovations are dropping, ADP numbers are down and I expect the consumer confidence numbers that come out at the end of the month will be scary. So the short answer is even if the trade war backs off, we may have already triggered the avalanche of companies not hiring, layoffs, people not spending = valuation correction in the stock market and economic downturn.
The economists have said that these tariffs would trigger recessions in both Canada and Mexico, unless the plan is to collapse the economy of Canada to try to make them the 51st, it made no sense. If this is a negotiating tactic, it may already have unintended consequences.
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This just in from SG Ammo:
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First, I want to say everything written here should be considered my opinion, based on what I have seen so far regarding tariffs on imported ammunition and conditional to the tariffs staying in place. Late in the afternoon yesterday, the US government's new wide sweeping tariffs on imports were announced. In my opinion, they were worse than expected regarding what effect this will have on price and supply for ammo in the USA. In short, it is going to drive up prices for the consumer in a dramatic way and totally cut off supply in certain brands over time. Starting Friday April 4th, I will be forced to begin adjusting my retail prices where I adjust upwards to offset higher replacement costs on goods purchased later to likely replace what sells now. SGAmmo's price increases forced by the tariffs will take at least a week up to a month to fully implement, and may be incremental, meaning that on the current inventory we have in stock, we do not adjust all the way up at once. For example, if the tariff is 20% for a $40 increase on 9mm from S&B, we may only go up $20, then do the other $20 later. Alternatively, we may make full adjustment at once, or possibly no immediate adjustment. As for Today, April 3rd, 2025, we make a “last call at this price” at recent catalog pricing, and starting Friday the 4th prices will begin to change. Buy it today, or don’t blame me later if it has gone up.
In greater detail feel free to read the following approximate examples…
Example 1 - PMC from South Korea was hit with a 25% tariff and is a major supplier of the most popular options for 5.56/223 ammo, as well as 9mm and many other calibers. This tariff increases the cost to 1000 rounds of 5.56 by about $100, and 1000 rounds 9mm about $50. At that point they simply cannot compete in the market against US manufacturing and most likely would slowly exit the market over the next year with the most popular products drying up first. Also, PMC's mother company, Poongsan Corporation, supplies US ammo manufacturers with a huge portion of copper strip used to make ammunition, which will drive up cost of US manufactures.
Example 2 - Prvi Partizan in Serbia was hit with a 37% tariff, and is a key supplier of metric rifle calibers, economical handgun ammo, and 5.56 FMJ ammo. This 37% tariff, if it holds, will totally force them out of business and you will see this manufacturer totally exit the US market over the next 6 months.
Example 3 - Igman in Bosnia, a key supplier of 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 ammo was hit with a 36% tariff, which increases the cost of 1000 rounds of 7.62x39 by about $180. No one will import it at all if this cost is added.
Example 4 - , Sellier & Bellot in the EU (Czech Republic) was hit with a 20% tariff. This drives the cost of their 9mm up $40 per 1000 and affects other products in a similar way, and at that point they cannot compete in the market on many popular products.
Example 5 - Magtech in Brazil was hit with the smallest tariff at 10%, but still substantial to drive 9mm prices up $20 or so per 1000 rounds.
In my opinion, unless the tariffs are reversed or reduced to much lower levels, the most likely course for where we are at is that many of the import ammo brands are driven out of business in 6 months to a year or are forced to charge unrealistic prices that very few consumers will pay, shrinking their volume to an unsubstantial point. At the same time, US manufacturing most likely slowly raises prices 3% to 8% once each quarter of remaining 2025 and early 2026, pushing prices up to match import competitors on the most popular calibers like 9mm, 45 auto and 5.56 / 223 and more, where profit margins have been suffering due to price cuts over the past 2 years while also dealing with continuous upward movements in manufacturing costs. What you do is your business, but this will have an undeniable effect of forced price increases at our store and all other ammunition websites and retailers of all types, and it is my opinion that buying today will save you in the long run.
Thank you, Sam Gabbert, SGAmmo Owner
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First, I want to say everything written here should be considered my opinion, based on what I have seen so far regarding tariffs on imported ammunition and conditional to the tariffs staying in place. Late in the afternoon yesterday, the US government's new wide sweeping tariffs on imports were announced. In my opinion, they were worse than expected regarding what effect this will have on price and supply for ammo in the USA. In short, it is going to drive up prices for the consumer in a dramatic way and totally cut off supply in certain brands over time. Starting Friday April 4th, I will be forced to begin adjusting my retail prices where I adjust upwards to offset higher replacement costs on goods purchased later to likely replace what sells now. SGAmmo's price increases forced by the tariffs will take at least a week up to a month to fully implement, and may be incremental, meaning that on the current inventory we have in stock, we do not adjust all the way up at once. For example, if the tariff is 20% for a $40 increase on 9mm from S&B, we may only go up $20, then do the other $20 later. Alternatively, we may make full adjustment at once, or possibly no immediate adjustment. As for Today, April 3rd, 2025, we make a “last call at this price” at recent catalog pricing, and starting Friday the 4th prices will begin to change. Buy it today, or don’t blame me later if it has gone up.
In greater detail feel free to read the following approximate examples…
Example 1 - PMC from South Korea was hit with a 25% tariff and is a major supplier of the most popular options for 5.56/223 ammo, as well as 9mm and many other calibers. This tariff increases the cost to 1000 rounds of 5.56 by about $100, and 1000 rounds 9mm about $50. At that point they simply cannot compete in the market against US manufacturing and most likely would slowly exit the market over the next year with the most popular products drying up first. Also, PMC's mother company, Poongsan Corporation, supplies US ammo manufacturers with a huge portion of copper strip used to make ammunition, which will drive up cost of US manufactures.
Example 2 - Prvi Partizan in Serbia was hit with a 37% tariff, and is a key supplier of metric rifle calibers, economical handgun ammo, and 5.56 FMJ ammo. This 37% tariff, if it holds, will totally force them out of business and you will see this manufacturer totally exit the US market over the next 6 months.
Example 3 - Igman in Bosnia, a key supplier of 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 ammo was hit with a 36% tariff, which increases the cost of 1000 rounds of 7.62x39 by about $180. No one will import it at all if this cost is added.
Example 4 - , Sellier & Bellot in the EU (Czech Republic) was hit with a 20% tariff. This drives the cost of their 9mm up $40 per 1000 and affects other products in a similar way, and at that point they cannot compete in the market on many popular products.
Example 5 - Magtech in Brazil was hit with the smallest tariff at 10%, but still substantial to drive 9mm prices up $20 or so per 1000 rounds.
In my opinion, unless the tariffs are reversed or reduced to much lower levels, the most likely course for where we are at is that many of the import ammo brands are driven out of business in 6 months to a year or are forced to charge unrealistic prices that very few consumers will pay, shrinking their volume to an unsubstantial point. At the same time, US manufacturing most likely slowly raises prices 3% to 8% once each quarter of remaining 2025 and early 2026, pushing prices up to match import competitors on the most popular calibers like 9mm, 45 auto and 5.56 / 223 and more, where profit margins have been suffering due to price cuts over the past 2 years while also dealing with continuous upward movements in manufacturing costs. What you do is your business, but this will have an undeniable effect of forced price increases at our store and all other ammunition websites and retailers of all types, and it is my opinion that buying today will save you in the long run.
Thank you, Sam Gabbert, SGAmmo Owner
Weren't there tariffs already in place? If so, how much greater now.This just in from SG Ammo:
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First, I want to say everything written here should be considered my opinion, based on what I have seen so far regarding tariffs on imported ammunition and conditional to the tariffs staying in place. Late in the afternoon yesterday, the US government's new wide sweeping tariffs on imports were announced. In my opinion, they were worse than expected regarding what effect this will have on price and supply for ammo in the USA. In short, it is going to drive up prices for the consumer in a dramatic way and totally cut off supply in certain brands over time. Starting Friday April 4th, I will be forced to begin adjusting my retail prices where I adjust upwards to offset higher replacement costs on goods purchased later to likely replace what sells now. SGAmmo's price increases forced by the tariffs will take at least a week up to a month to fully implement, and may be incremental, meaning that on the current inventory we have in stock, we do not adjust all the way up at once. For example, if the tariff is 20% for a $40 increase on 9mm from S&B, we may only go up $20, then do the other $20 later. Alternatively, we may make full adjustment at once, or possibly no immediate adjustment. As for Today, April 3rd, 2025, we make a “last call at this price” at recent catalog pricing, and starting Friday the 4th prices will begin to change. Buy it today, or don’t blame me later if it has gone up.
In greater detail feel free to read the following approximate examples…
Example 1 - PMC from South Korea was hit with a 25% tariff and is a major supplier of the most popular options for 5.56/223 ammo, as well as 9mm and many other calibers. This tariff increases the cost to 1000 rounds of 5.56 by about $100, and 1000 rounds 9mm about $50. At that point they simply cannot compete in the market against US manufacturing and most likely would slowly exit the market over the next year with the most popular products drying up first. Also, PMC's mother company, Poongsan Corporation, supplies US ammo manufacturers with a huge portion of copper strip used to make ammunition, which will drive up cost of US manufactures.
Example 2 - Prvi Partizan in Serbia was hit with a 37% tariff, and is a key supplier of metric rifle calibers, economical handgun ammo, and 5.56 FMJ ammo. This 37% tariff, if it holds, will totally force them out of business and you will see this manufacturer totally exit the US market over the next 6 months.
Example 3 - Igman in Bosnia, a key supplier of 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 ammo was hit with a 36% tariff, which increases the cost of 1000 rounds of 7.62x39 by about $180. No one will import it at all if this cost is added.
Example 4 - , Sellier & Bellot in the EU (Czech Republic) was hit with a 20% tariff. This drives the cost of their 9mm up $40 per 1000 and affects other products in a similar way, and at that point they cannot compete in the market on many popular products.
Example 5 - Magtech in Brazil was hit with the smallest tariff at 10%, but still substantial to drive 9mm prices up $20 or so per 1000 rounds.
In my opinion, unless the tariffs are reversed or reduced to much lower levels, the most likely course for where we are at is that many of the import ammo brands are driven out of business in 6 months to a year or are forced to charge unrealistic prices that very few consumers will pay, shrinking their volume to an unsubstantial point. At the same time, US manufacturing most likely slowly raises prices 3% to 8% once each quarter of remaining 2025 and early 2026, pushing prices up to match import competitors on the most popular calibers like 9mm, 45 auto and 5.56 / 223 and more, where profit margins have been suffering due to price cuts over the past 2 years while also dealing with continuous upward movements in manufacturing costs. What you do is your business, but this will have an undeniable effect of forced price increases at our store and all other ammunition websites and retailers of all types, and it is my opinion that buying today will save you in the long run.
Thank you, Sam Gabbert, SGAmmo Owner
