Tariffs and ammo prices?
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Ozzie has nothing on DGT not eaven with the fucking gravey.
They climed the mountain and were in awe of the gravey but then the Don came rolling up and the leaders caved so fast I couldn't down a 6 pack.
So for all the sheep crying about tarriffs.
Ozzie has nothing on DGT not eaven with the fucking gravey.
They climed the mountain and were in awe of the gravey but then the Don came rolling up and the leaders caved so fast I couldn't down a 6 pack.
So for all the sheep crying about tarriffs.
Ok I lied it was a 12 pack.
I'm getting old and it takes longer to suck down a 12 pack, and oh yea my doctor can kiss my ass.
A couple of days listening to little bitches crying about the end of times and the Don just cants his head and smiles.
keep your eyes on the girls on a rope if you like a real circus the clowns are just a distraction.
I'm getting old and it takes longer to suck down a 12 pack, and oh yea my doctor can kiss my ass.
A couple of days listening to little bitches crying about the end of times and the Don just cants his head and smiles.
keep your eyes on the girls on a rope if you like a real circus the clowns are just a distraction.
I think the market is re-acting and will settle , i am selling NOTHING i advise to be calm the sky is not falling turn off the tv and get on the computer and watch porn for a week .....you will be up. There is profit to be made in this nervous nelly market
Started before that. TV brought the concept of mindless brainwashing right into our homes. Biggest difference was noticing my mom change from nursing, to making up sterilized bottles for “formula” for brother #3. She decided against it for brother 4 and went back to nursing. But during that phase, all the commercials were for boxed this and instant that, and canned other, 60c TV dinners, and machines to make your life “easier”. Didn’t have a microwave until my wife won one in 1974, about 2 months into our young marriage. I don’t think my mother ever had one, into the ‘80’s.
It’s funny to me how tariffs against US goods never kill the economies of countries, but US tariffs against other countries is considered economic suicide. Can anyone explain this anomaly?
True statement. The rest of the statement should read, “ and the US owns extensive antimony deposits, which has mining structure and processing capability. “
Yes and No
First off, I am a Senior Business Consultant for one of the world's largest consulting firms and some of my areas of expertise include supply chain, import/export, distribution, etc. You get the idea, Fortune 500 companies hire me to give them advice on these topics.
No, I can't explain the anomaly you describe, because I have never heard anyone argue that tariffs are economic suicide. A trade war, right now with P/N over two, maybe losing a limb.
But, I can share this, it is pointless to think of this as a standard tariff, it is a trade war. Until Trump took office, the US was part of the WTO, so we had two types of tariffs. The WTO says each nation can impose any tariff they want, as long as they apply it to all countries evenly. The nature of this kind of tariff is to protect the workers in a county. If cheap farm products from overseas will put your farmers out of work, impose a tariff so the farmers can sell. It bypasses the free market and the citizens pay a high price for goods. The country collects the tariff, so it is also an invisible tax paid by the citizens as a higher cost of goods. By definition, a new tariff is a forced inflation factor forced on the country issuing the tariff. In a trade war, that pain is felt on both sides.
The second tariff are those mutually agreed upon by countries who develop a free trade agreement, such as the North American Trade Agreement that Canada, Mexico, and the US had. This is usually countries negotiating lower tariffs than the WTO standard rate for everyone to support symbiotic relationships, like US car makers buying cheaper parts and sub-assemblies from Mexico.
But, Trump is ignoring the WTO rules and the free trade agreement. Trade wars have two effects, they can raise money for a government in need, and they negatively impact the economy of all involved.
Most assume the tariff threats are just posturing for negotiation, but Trump has gone forward and even if they find a middle ground or back off entirely, he may have popped the bubble. The new tariffs raise the overall rate for the US to 12%, the highest it has been since the 1940's.
The Stock Market and Economy are not linear, they get over-inflated (bubble) and pop, switching businesses and people into a save, don't spend, wait to see what will happen mode. The P/N numbers have been saying we are ripe for a correction since 2022, Trump didn't create the bubble, it has been building since before his first term. The bubble probably didn't pop under Biden, because of the massive government subsidies that work as an economic stimulus, a stimulus that Trump is removing while starting a trade war. But the stock market has already fallen 5%, companies are starting hiring freezes, home sales and renovations are dropping, ADP numbers are down and I expect the consumer confidence numbers that come out at the end of the month will be scary. So the short answer is even if the trade war backs off, we may have already triggered the avalanche of companies not hiring, layoffs, people not spending = valuation correction in the stock market and economic downturn.
The economists have said that these tariffs would trigger recessions in both Canada and Mexico, unless the plan is to collapse the economy of Canada to try to make them the 51st, it made no sense. If this is a negotiating tactic, it may already have unintended consequences.
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First, I want to say everything written here should be considered my opinion, based on what I have seen so far regarding tariffs on imported ammunition and conditional to the tariffs staying in place. Late in the afternoon yesterday, the US government's new wide sweeping tariffs on imports were announced. In my opinion, they were worse than expected regarding what effect this will have on price and supply for ammo in the USA. In short, it is going to drive up prices for the consumer in a dramatic way and totally cut off supply in certain brands over time. Starting Friday April 4th, I will be forced to begin adjusting my retail prices where I adjust upwards to offset higher replacement costs on goods purchased later to likely replace what sells now. SGAmmo's price increases forced by the tariffs will take at least a week up to a month to fully implement, and may be incremental, meaning that on the current inventory we have in stock, we do not adjust all the way up at once. For example, if the tariff is 20% for a $40 increase on 9mm from S&B, we may only go up $20, then do the other $20 later. Alternatively, we may make full adjustment at once, or possibly no immediate adjustment. As for Today, April 3rd, 2025, we make a “last call at this price” at recent catalog pricing, and starting Friday the 4th prices will begin to change. Buy it today, or don’t blame me later if it has gone up.
In greater detail feel free to read the following approximate examples…
Example 1 - PMC from South Korea was hit with a 25% tariff and is a major supplier of the most popular options for 5.56/223 ammo, as well as 9mm and many other calibers. This tariff increases the cost to 1000 rounds of 5.56 by about $100, and 1000 rounds 9mm about $50. At that point they simply cannot compete in the market against US manufacturing and most likely would slowly exit the market over the next year with the most popular products drying up first. Also, PMC's mother company, Poongsan Corporation, supplies US ammo manufacturers with a huge portion of copper strip used to make ammunition, which will drive up cost of US manufactures.
Example 2 - Prvi Partizan in Serbia was hit with a 37% tariff, and is a key supplier of metric rifle calibers, economical handgun ammo, and 5.56 FMJ ammo. This 37% tariff, if it holds, will totally force them out of business and you will see this manufacturer totally exit the US market over the next 6 months.
Example 3 - Igman in Bosnia, a key supplier of 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 ammo was hit with a 36% tariff, which increases the cost of 1000 rounds of 7.62x39 by about $180. No one will import it at all if this cost is added.
Example 4 - , Sellier & Bellot in the EU (Czech Republic) was hit with a 20% tariff. This drives the cost of their 9mm up $40 per 1000 and affects other products in a similar way, and at that point they cannot compete in the market on many popular products.
Example 5 - Magtech in Brazil was hit with the smallest tariff at 10%, but still substantial to drive 9mm prices up $20 or so per 1000 rounds.
In my opinion, unless the tariffs are reversed or reduced to much lower levels, the most likely course for where we are at is that many of the import ammo brands are driven out of business in 6 months to a year or are forced to charge unrealistic prices that very few consumers will pay, shrinking their volume to an unsubstantial point. At the same time, US manufacturing most likely slowly raises prices 3% to 8% once each quarter of remaining 2025 and early 2026, pushing prices up to match import competitors on the most popular calibers like 9mm, 45 auto and 5.56 / 223 and more, where profit margins have been suffering due to price cuts over the past 2 years while also dealing with continuous upward movements in manufacturing costs. What you do is your business, but this will have an undeniable effect of forced price increases at our store and all other ammunition websites and retailers of all types, and it is my opinion that buying today will save you in the long run.
Thank you, Sam Gabbert, SGAmmo Owner
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First, I want to say everything written here should be considered my opinion, based on what I have seen so far regarding tariffs on imported ammunition and conditional to the tariffs staying in place. Late in the afternoon yesterday, the US government's new wide sweeping tariffs on imports were announced. In my opinion, they were worse than expected regarding what effect this will have on price and supply for ammo in the USA. In short, it is going to drive up prices for the consumer in a dramatic way and totally cut off supply in certain brands over time. Starting Friday April 4th, I will be forced to begin adjusting my retail prices where I adjust upwards to offset higher replacement costs on goods purchased later to likely replace what sells now. SGAmmo's price increases forced by the tariffs will take at least a week up to a month to fully implement, and may be incremental, meaning that on the current inventory we have in stock, we do not adjust all the way up at once. For example, if the tariff is 20% for a $40 increase on 9mm from S&B, we may only go up $20, then do the other $20 later. Alternatively, we may make full adjustment at once, or possibly no immediate adjustment. As for Today, April 3rd, 2025, we make a “last call at this price” at recent catalog pricing, and starting Friday the 4th prices will begin to change. Buy it today, or don’t blame me later if it has gone up.
In greater detail feel free to read the following approximate examples…
Example 1 - PMC from South Korea was hit with a 25% tariff and is a major supplier of the most popular options for 5.56/223 ammo, as well as 9mm and many other calibers. This tariff increases the cost to 1000 rounds of 5.56 by about $100, and 1000 rounds 9mm about $50. At that point they simply cannot compete in the market against US manufacturing and most likely would slowly exit the market over the next year with the most popular products drying up first. Also, PMC's mother company, Poongsan Corporation, supplies US ammo manufacturers with a huge portion of copper strip used to make ammunition, which will drive up cost of US manufactures.
Example 2 - Prvi Partizan in Serbia was hit with a 37% tariff, and is a key supplier of metric rifle calibers, economical handgun ammo, and 5.56 FMJ ammo. This 37% tariff, if it holds, will totally force them out of business and you will see this manufacturer totally exit the US market over the next 6 months.
Example 3 - Igman in Bosnia, a key supplier of 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 ammo was hit with a 36% tariff, which increases the cost of 1000 rounds of 7.62x39 by about $180. No one will import it at all if this cost is added.
Example 4 - , Sellier & Bellot in the EU (Czech Republic) was hit with a 20% tariff. This drives the cost of their 9mm up $40 per 1000 and affects other products in a similar way, and at that point they cannot compete in the market on many popular products.
Example 5 - Magtech in Brazil was hit with the smallest tariff at 10%, but still substantial to drive 9mm prices up $20 or so per 1000 rounds.
In my opinion, unless the tariffs are reversed or reduced to much lower levels, the most likely course for where we are at is that many of the import ammo brands are driven out of business in 6 months to a year or are forced to charge unrealistic prices that very few consumers will pay, shrinking their volume to an unsubstantial point. At the same time, US manufacturing most likely slowly raises prices 3% to 8% once each quarter of remaining 2025 and early 2026, pushing prices up to match import competitors on the most popular calibers like 9mm, 45 auto and 5.56 / 223 and more, where profit margins have been suffering due to price cuts over the past 2 years while also dealing with continuous upward movements in manufacturing costs. What you do is your business, but this will have an undeniable effect of forced price increases at our store and all other ammunition websites and retailers of all types, and it is my opinion that buying today will save you in the long run.
Thank you, Sam Gabbert, SGAmmo Owner
Weren't there tariffs already in place? If so, how much greater now.This just in from SG Ammo:
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First, I want to say everything written here should be considered my opinion, based on what I have seen so far regarding tariffs on imported ammunition and conditional to the tariffs staying in place. Late in the afternoon yesterday, the US government's new wide sweeping tariffs on imports were announced. In my opinion, they were worse than expected regarding what effect this will have on price and supply for ammo in the USA. In short, it is going to drive up prices for the consumer in a dramatic way and totally cut off supply in certain brands over time. Starting Friday April 4th, I will be forced to begin adjusting my retail prices where I adjust upwards to offset higher replacement costs on goods purchased later to likely replace what sells now. SGAmmo's price increases forced by the tariffs will take at least a week up to a month to fully implement, and may be incremental, meaning that on the current inventory we have in stock, we do not adjust all the way up at once. For example, if the tariff is 20% for a $40 increase on 9mm from S&B, we may only go up $20, then do the other $20 later. Alternatively, we may make full adjustment at once, or possibly no immediate adjustment. As for Today, April 3rd, 2025, we make a “last call at this price” at recent catalog pricing, and starting Friday the 4th prices will begin to change. Buy it today, or don’t blame me later if it has gone up.
In greater detail feel free to read the following approximate examples…
Example 1 - PMC from South Korea was hit with a 25% tariff and is a major supplier of the most popular options for 5.56/223 ammo, as well as 9mm and many other calibers. This tariff increases the cost to 1000 rounds of 5.56 by about $100, and 1000 rounds 9mm about $50. At that point they simply cannot compete in the market against US manufacturing and most likely would slowly exit the market over the next year with the most popular products drying up first. Also, PMC's mother company, Poongsan Corporation, supplies US ammo manufacturers with a huge portion of copper strip used to make ammunition, which will drive up cost of US manufactures.
Example 2 - Prvi Partizan in Serbia was hit with a 37% tariff, and is a key supplier of metric rifle calibers, economical handgun ammo, and 5.56 FMJ ammo. This 37% tariff, if it holds, will totally force them out of business and you will see this manufacturer totally exit the US market over the next 6 months.
Example 3 - Igman in Bosnia, a key supplier of 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 ammo was hit with a 36% tariff, which increases the cost of 1000 rounds of 7.62x39 by about $180. No one will import it at all if this cost is added.
Example 4 - , Sellier & Bellot in the EU (Czech Republic) was hit with a 20% tariff. This drives the cost of their 9mm up $40 per 1000 and affects other products in a similar way, and at that point they cannot compete in the market on many popular products.
Example 5 - Magtech in Brazil was hit with the smallest tariff at 10%, but still substantial to drive 9mm prices up $20 or so per 1000 rounds.
In my opinion, unless the tariffs are reversed or reduced to much lower levels, the most likely course for where we are at is that many of the import ammo brands are driven out of business in 6 months to a year or are forced to charge unrealistic prices that very few consumers will pay, shrinking their volume to an unsubstantial point. At the same time, US manufacturing most likely slowly raises prices 3% to 8% once each quarter of remaining 2025 and early 2026, pushing prices up to match import competitors on the most popular calibers like 9mm, 45 auto and 5.56 / 223 and more, where profit margins have been suffering due to price cuts over the past 2 years while also dealing with continuous upward movements in manufacturing costs. What you do is your business, but this will have an undeniable effect of forced price increases at our store and all other ammunition websites and retailers of all types, and it is my opinion that buying today will save you in the long run.
Thank you, Sam Gabbert, SGAmmo Owner
Then why do so many countries charge them to the US?
It’s a political tool, that’s it. Every political ploy that has any economic effect(re: all of them) destroys wealth.
"In 2024, mine production of lead in concentrates in the United States was estimated at 300,000 metric tons. Lead production in the North American country has experienced a decline compared to 2010 levels. Nevertheless, the United States is the third-largest lead mining country in the world."
And if they fire 2/3's of the EPA's asshole, green party, bureaucrats our lead might even become affordable again.
It is pointless to think of this as a standard tariff, it is a trade war. Until Trump took office, the US was part of the WTO, so we had two types of tariffs. The WTO says each nation can impose any tariff they want, as long as they apply it to all countries evenly. The nature of this kind of tariff is to protect the workers in a county. If cheap farm products from overseas will put your farmers out of work, impose a tariff so the farmers can sell. It bypasses the free market and the citizens pay a high price for goods. The country collects the tariff, so it is also a tax. By definition, a new tariff is an inflation factor forced on the country issuing the tariff. In a trade war, that pain is felt on both sides.
The second tariff are those mutually agreed upon by countries who develop a free trade agreement, such as the North American Trade Agreement that Canada, Mexico, and the US had. This is usually countries negotiating lower tariffs than the WTO standard rate for everyone to support symbiotic relationships, like US car makers buying cheaper parts and sub-assemblies from Mexico and Canada.
But, Trump is ignoring the WTO rules and the free trade agreements. Trade wars have two effects, inflation and they negatively impact the economy of all involved.
Trump has said the $700B he will collect over time from tariffs will be used to send out stimulus checks. That goes against those who say this is a short term negotiation tactic.
Those stimulus checks will not cover our increased cost of living. We are leaving the frying pan for the fire.
The second tariff are those mutually agreed upon by countries who develop a free trade agreement, such as the North American Trade Agreement that Canada, Mexico, and the US had. This is usually countries negotiating lower tariffs than the WTO standard rate for everyone to support symbiotic relationships, like US car makers buying cheaper parts and sub-assemblies from Mexico and Canada.
But, Trump is ignoring the WTO rules and the free trade agreements. Trade wars have two effects, inflation and they negatively impact the economy of all involved.
Trump has said the $700B he will collect over time from tariffs will be used to send out stimulus checks. That goes against those who say this is a short term negotiation tactic.
Those stimulus checks will not cover our increased cost of living. We are leaving the frying pan for the fire.
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They don’t tho. The Trump team literally calculated those numbers using the (exports - imports ) / (imports) math formula. A trade deficit isn’t a tariff. Vietnam and Cambodia don’t tariff American goods > 40%.
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You can do the math yourself, quite embarassing to be honest
The simple math behind Trump’s tariffs
With the help of a large chart, the president unveiled his latest wave of tariffs on Wednesday, on what he called ‘Liberation Day’
www.the-independent.com
You can do the math yourself, quite embarassing to be honest
The simple math behind Trump’s tariffs
With the help of a large chart, the president unveiled his latest wave of tariffs on Wednesday, on what he called ‘Liberation Day’
“He claimed the new policy is necessary to balance out American competitiveness.”
This sentence makes me question the competence of whoever is advising DJ Trump. This rationale is the exact analogy I used above, about punching yourself in the dick. The real way to American competitiveness is to loosen tax laws(on everyone) and rules & regulations in every aspect of manufacturing. Not this dumb shit that is only going to raise prices on everything for everyone
Sonofagun, look at this. An article criticizing the tariffs on the front page of The Mises Institute website.
Trump's "Liberation Day" Tariffs Are a Mistake | Mises Institute
President Trump has declared today “Liberation Day,” because many of his tariffs come into force. His team is taking a gamble that either the law of supply and
“He claimed the new policy is necessary to balance out American competitiveness.”
This sentence makes me question the competence of whoever is advising DJ Trump. This rationale is the exact analogy I used above, about punching yourself in the dick. The real way to American competitiveness is to loosen tax laws(on everyone) and rules & regulations in every aspect of manufacturing. Not this dumb shit that is only going to raise prices on everything for everyone
Sonofagun, look at this. An article criticizing the tariffs on the front page of The Mises Institute website.
Trump's "Liberation Day" Tariffs Are a Mistake | Mises Institute
President Trump has declared today “Liberation Day,” because many of his tariffs come into force. His team is taking a gamble that either the law of supply andmises.org
Exactly. Enjoy your 400$ running shoes and your 125K basic bitch F150 and then get slaughtered in the midterms and never win another election for the next 20 years because even the most hard core rural voters will start voting dems … for all this nonsense to get reversed anyways. Meanwhile your 401K gets slashed, your allies hates you and have realigned their trade deals with China. Truly this is the power of 6D chess mindset.
You can always play the business conspiracy route. Trump can do stuff like this, which has tanked the S&P 500 20% in the last 6 weeks, all his buddies (and of course us as well) can buy in at a huge discount, and then when it all gets reversed or they back away from it and the market rebounds and they make bank. He can blame political pressure the courts etc. and can claim he tried to bring back American jobs and manufacturing, there's no significant long term economic impact (at least for people in his net worth range), and as a bonus they get huge financial gains. If they want to make more money, they just create the next economic panic point, buy in when it tanks the market, then reverse it later for the gains.
can't find most sk st + and RM anyway. gonna suck for RF as no domestic that i have used is worth a F. also,was thinking on a 7.62x39 rig-auto or bolt. ammo prices there will be hurt steell,norma,bellom,ppu etc. wonder whether gun prices may become rational due to less use and buying because of > ammo prices. not gonna help CZ,howa,tikka etc $s.
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^^^ThisAfter the last 4 years of NUMBNUTS !! if you people don't have enough powder lead and brass you're an idiot.
Manufacturers are looking for excuses to raise prices. No excuse for shortage or supply of quality 22 ammo, cause it sure ain't going to Ukraine.
Businesses don’t want to raise prices(very general statement), that runs the risk of pushing customers away. What they do want is to be more profitable at the same price or be able to offer more goods/services at current prices. This potentially gives them an edge in their competition.
With these tariffs going into place they may have to raise prices to prevent product shortages(exactly like the stupid “price gouging” arguments after a hurricane).
All of this dumb shit is the opposite of what should be happening
I recently tried to mail a 30 lb package to Latvia. They wanted to charge me 250 bucks.
I can order a 2x72 bench grinder from Poland and it only costs 80 dollars to ship. It is around 100 lbs.
Why?
Well, post WWII we wanted to help poorer countries recover from the war and develop industry. There is an international postal clearinghouse so to speak where when something is shipped internationally the money is split up proportionally to each post service that helped move the package.
These proportions are HEAVILY weighted based on the economic power of each country of package origin. Thus if one lives in Latvia or Poland for example (both much less economically powerful than the US) you get heavily discounted postage rates.
You can basically outcompete american companies by making an equivalent product in a market where labor is cheaper, then ship it to the US at a subsidized rate that is cheaper than for a US mfg to ship the same product within within US.
I understand the need to rebalance trade. It is desperately needed. Will these tariffs work? I don't know. Is it worth a try? Yes.
I can order a 2x72 bench grinder from Poland and it only costs 80 dollars to ship. It is around 100 lbs.
Why?
Well, post WWII we wanted to help poorer countries recover from the war and develop industry. There is an international postal clearinghouse so to speak where when something is shipped internationally the money is split up proportionally to each post service that helped move the package.
These proportions are HEAVILY weighted based on the economic power of each country of package origin. Thus if one lives in Latvia or Poland for example (both much less economically powerful than the US) you get heavily discounted postage rates.
You can basically outcompete american companies by making an equivalent product in a market where labor is cheaper, then ship it to the US at a subsidized rate that is cheaper than for a US mfg to ship the same product within within US.
I understand the need to rebalance trade. It is desperately needed. Will these tariffs work? I don't know. Is it worth a try? Yes.
