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Called it.I'm amazed that every time Trump does something that all the experts say is bad, people are sure he has some master plan that will work out his way. This trade war will cause real damage and I'm not talking ammo prices. Talking gas prices, layoffs and maybe trigger a recession. Problem with being a bully is eventually you unite everyone against you.
Stock market crash in 4, 3, 2, 1....
Started before that. TV brought the concept of mindless brainwashing right into our homes. Biggest difference was noticing my mom change from nursing, to making up sterilized bottles for “formula” for brother #3. She decided against it for brother 4 and went back to nursing. But during that phase, all the commercials were for boxed this and instant that, and canned other, 60c TV dinners, and machines to make your life “easier”. Didn’t have a microwave until my wife won one in 1974, about 2 months into our young marriage. I don’t think my mother ever had one, into the ‘80’s.Delayed satisfaction went out the window with the microwave society.
It’s funny to me how tariffs against US goods never kill the economies of countries, but US tariffs against other countries is considered economic suicide. Can anyone explain this anomaly?I'm amazed that every time Trump does something that all the experts say is bad, people are sure he has some master plan that will work out his way. This trade war will cause real damage and I'm not talking ammo prices. Talking gas prices, layoffs and maybe trigger a recession. Problem with being a bully is eventually you unite everyone against you.
Stock market crash in 4, 3, 2, 1....
True statement. The rest of the statement should read, “ and the US owns extensive antimony deposits, which has mining structure and processing capability. “Making bullets requires Antimony, a metal we mostly get from China.
What?well the 24 hour recession is now over ....stock market up , i made a few bucks
Yes and NoIt’s funny to me how tariffs against US goods never kill the economies of countries, but US tariffs against other countries is considered economic suicide. Can anyone explain this anomaly?
We liquidad most of our stock end of January, paid off the house and went with dividend inflation protected bonds. I'm making a killing day trader.i just checked....i made even more today ....you choose poorly lol
Weren't there tariffs already in place? If so, how much greater now.This just in from SG Ammo:
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Tariffs On Imported Ammunition Are Coming - Beat the Price Increase @ SGAmmo | SGAmmo.com
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First, I want to say everything written here should be considered my opinion, based on what I have seen so far regarding tariffs on imported ammunition and conditional to the tariffs staying in place. Late in the afternoon yesterday, the US government's new wide sweeping tariffs on imports were announced. In my opinion, they were worse than expected regarding what effect this will have on price and supply for ammo in the USA. In short, it is going to drive up prices for the consumer in a dramatic way and totally cut off supply in certain brands over time. Starting Friday April 4th, I will be forced to begin adjusting my retail prices where I adjust upwards to offset higher replacement costs on goods purchased later to likely replace what sells now. SGAmmo's price increases forced by the tariffs will take at least a week up to a month to fully implement, and may be incremental, meaning that on the current inventory we have in stock, we do not adjust all the way up at once. For example, if the tariff is 20% for a $40 increase on 9mm from S&B, we may only go up $20, then do the other $20 later. Alternatively, we may make full adjustment at once, or possibly no immediate adjustment. As for Today, April 3rd, 2025, we make a “last call at this price” at recent catalog pricing, and starting Friday the 4th prices will begin to change. Buy it today, or don’t blame me later if it has gone up.
In greater detail feel free to read the following approximate examples…
Example 1 - PMC from South Korea was hit with a 25% tariff and is a major supplier of the most popular options for 5.56/223 ammo, as well as 9mm and many other calibers. This tariff increases the cost to 1000 rounds of 5.56 by about $100, and 1000 rounds 9mm about $50. At that point they simply cannot compete in the market against US manufacturing and most likely would slowly exit the market over the next year with the most popular products drying up first. Also, PMC's mother company, Poongsan Corporation, supplies US ammo manufacturers with a huge portion of copper strip used to make ammunition, which will drive up cost of US manufactures.
Example 2 - Prvi Partizan in Serbia was hit with a 37% tariff, and is a key supplier of metric rifle calibers, economical handgun ammo, and 5.56 FMJ ammo. This 37% tariff, if it holds, will totally force them out of business and you will see this manufacturer totally exit the US market over the next 6 months.
Example 3 - Igman in Bosnia, a key supplier of 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 ammo was hit with a 36% tariff, which increases the cost of 1000 rounds of 7.62x39 by about $180. No one will import it at all if this cost is added.
Example 4 - , Sellier & Bellot in the EU (Czech Republic) was hit with a 20% tariff. This drives the cost of their 9mm up $40 per 1000 and affects other products in a similar way, and at that point they cannot compete in the market on many popular products.
Example 5 - Magtech in Brazil was hit with the smallest tariff at 10%, but still substantial to drive 9mm prices up $20 or so per 1000 rounds.
In my opinion, unless the tariffs are reversed or reduced to much lower levels, the most likely course for where we are at is that many of the import ammo brands are driven out of business in 6 months to a year or are forced to charge unrealistic prices that very few consumers will pay, shrinking their volume to an unsubstantial point. At the same time, US manufacturing most likely slowly raises prices 3% to 8% once each quarter of remaining 2025 and early 2026, pushing prices up to match import competitors on the most popular calibers like 9mm, 45 auto and 5.56 / 223 and more, where profit margins have been suffering due to price cuts over the past 2 years while also dealing with continuous upward movements in manufacturing costs. What you do is your business, but this will have an undeniable effect of forced price increases at our store and all other ammunition websites and retailers of all types, and it is my opinion that buying today will save you in the long run.
Thank you, Sam Gabbert, SGAmmo Owner
Then why do so many countries charge them to the US?Tariff’s are the equivalent of a threat to punch yourself in the dick. A stupid and completely unnecessary waste of everyone’s time and energy
It’s a political tool, that’s it. Every political ploy that has any economic effect(re: all of them) destroys wealth.Then why do so many countries charge them to the US?
The two largest exporters of lead to the US are Canada (25% tariff) and China (10% tariff).
They don’t tho. The Trump team literally calculated those numbers using the (exports - imports ) / (imports) math formula. A trade deficit isn’t a tariff. Vietnam and Cambodia don’t tariff American goods > 40%.Then why do so many countries charge them to the US?
Ok, now do ChinaThey don’t tho. The Trump team literally calculated those numbers using the (exports - imports ) / (imports) math formula. A trade deficit isn’t a tariff. Vietnam and Cambodia don’t tariff American goods > 40%.
You can do the math yourself, quite embarassing to be honestOk, now do China
Stupidity?It’s funny to me how tariffs against US goods never kill the economies of countries, but US tariffs against other countries is considered economic suicide. Can anyone explain this anomaly?
You can do the math yourself, quite embarassing to be honest
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The simple math behind Trump’s tariffs
With the help of a large chart, the president unveiled his latest wave of tariffs on Wednesday, on what he called ‘Liberation Day’www.the-independent.com
“He claimed the new policy is necessary to balance out American competitiveness.”
This sentence makes me question the competence of whoever is advising DJ Trump. This rationale is the exact analogy I used above, about punching yourself in the dick. The real way to American competitiveness is to loosen tax laws(on everyone) and rules & regulations in every aspect of manufacturing. Not this dumb shit that is only going to raise prices on everything for everyone
Sonofagun, look at this. An article criticizing the tariffs on the front page of The Mises Institute website.
Trump's "Liberation Day" Tariffs Are a Mistake | Mises Institute
President Trump has declared today “Liberation Day,” because many of his tariffs come into force. His team is taking a gamble that either the law of supply andmises.org
can't find most sk st + and RM anyway. gonna suck for RF as no domestic that i have used is worth a F. also,was thinking on a 7.62x39 rig-auto or bolt. ammo prices there will be hurt steell,norma,bellom,ppu etc. wonder whether gun prices may become rational due to less use and buying because of > ammo prices. not gonna help CZ,howa,tikka etc $s.Read on another forum that SK ammo prices are expected to go up 20%, Eley 10%
^^^ThisAfter the last 4 years of NUMBNUTS !! if you people don't have enough powder lead and brass you're an idiot.![]()
Manufacturers are looking for excuses to raise prices. No excuse for shortage or supply of quality 22 ammo, cause it sure ain't going to Ukraine.can't find most sk st + and RM anyway. gonna suck for RF as no domestic that i have used is worth a F. also,was thinking on a 7.62x39 rig-auto or bolt. ammo prices there will be hurt steell,norma,bellom,ppu etc. wonder whether gun prices may become rational due to less use and buying because of > ammo prices. not gonna help CZ,howa,tikka etc $s.
Businesses don’t want to raise prices(very general statement), that runs the risk of pushing customers away. What they do want is to be more profitable at the same price or be able to offer more goods/services at current prices. This potentially gives them an edge in their competition.Manufacturers are looking for excuses to raise prices. No excuse for shortage or supply of quality 22 ammo, cause it sure ain't going to Ukraine.
Who is going to increase trade deals with China and over what routes?Exactly. Enjoy your 400$ running shoes and your 125K basic bitch F150 and then get slaughtered in the midterms and never win another election for the next 20 years because even the most hard core rural voters will start voting dems … for all this nonsense to get reversed anyways. Meanwhile your 401K gets slashed, your allies hates you and have realigned their trade deals with China. Truly this is the power of 6D chess mindset.
We could have just kept killing ourselves with death by a thousand cuts like every other US President has since Bretton Woods, and dug our heads deeper into the sand.Runaway inflation for 4 years, only to be capped off with a tariff war driving prices/costs up even more.
I sure hope Trump knows what he’s doing…..
You and me both!Runaway inflation for 4 years, only to be capped off with a tariff war driving prices/costs up even more.
I sure hope Trump knows what he’s doing…..
Agreed! But as others alreasy stated, this should have already happened. We have screwed ourselves by ever becoming so dependent on these other nations! It may hurt, but it’s time to bring production and strength back to this country. If we don’t do it now, the US is assuredly toast. May not be overnight gone but likely within our time. And that’s no bueno. I think he is trying. I hope he is legit and knows what he is doing. Many are gambling on this being correct.It is unlikely that the overhead costs for domestic manufacturing will not rise. Even if by some miracle they can get all the raw materials and components at the same cost, they will not be able to increase production without investing. Deciding to make a big investment on the assumption that your sell price will remain high is a risk.
Who wants to get half way into building the new factory to find out the tariff is now reduced or gone.
It may take years to build manufacturing capacity. This not a simple problem with sound bite solutions.