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The war in Ukraine and Donbas
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Frequency of these coup attempts will only grow
''Ukraine’s internal security service, known as the SBU, said a group of activists were detained for trying to create riots over the weekend that would lead to the removal of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s government in power. The alleged attempt took place Sunday, as Ukraine was commemorating the anniversary of its constitution.''
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then again, this is ukraine, so they may have just setup some people that didn't agree with the regime's policies.
Throughout this war we have seen 'strong women' stand by their men , and then there are others that turn in their husbands for tin prize and 6 months free Netflix subscription.
This one went on 'saving Private Pavel' mission, instead of bribing Ukie officials to have him on the next exchange list.
Turkish news wrote about them:
“Ukraine demands bribes from
prisoners' families
MARINA Ashifina's husband Pavel surrendered to Russians in Mariupol. Marina requested information from Ukrainian authorities. But Kiev was not interested and put pressure on the issue not to be heard. Reaching the Russian administration, Marina was reunited with her husband months later. Reached by Adımlık, Marina said that Kiev officials wanted bribes from Ukrainian families for prisoner exchange.”
translated from Turkish newsoutlet.
This one went on 'saving Private Pavel' mission, instead of bribing Ukie officials to have him on the next exchange list.
Turkish news wrote about them:
“Ukraine demands bribes from
prisoners' families
MARINA Ashifina's husband Pavel surrendered to Russians in Mariupol. Marina requested information from Ukrainian authorities. But Kiev was not interested and put pressure on the issue not to be heard. Reaching the Russian administration, Marina was reunited with her husband months later. Reached by Adımlık, Marina said that Kiev officials wanted bribes from Ukrainian families for prisoner exchange.”
translated from Turkish newsoutlet.
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this is odd. never heard of anything like this at any past era. if true,takes away from the putin is the devil narrative. sure not under stalin,hitler,mao,lincoln,george 3rd etc.
Paroling prisoners was frequently a thing but it depended on the honor of both sides to abide by the terms.
Ukraine asks “Honor? Who is she?”
I imagine both now live in Russia. So was likely less sticky, although the article mentioned they initially returned to Ukraine
Problem is that repatirated POW do get sent to front lines again, so exchange might not be as desirable
under stalin they got sent to gulag,executed or used for mine clearing. if what this is claimed by these posts,it is really a ballsie and unique effort. int'l red cross never has done much in the POW world. a lot of talk and usual red cross corruption.
It looks like pretty much every house on that street was blowed up at one point.
That's one seriously short fuze the guy had on that charge, you'd think he'd at least try to give himself a few more seconds to get away.
It's the same theme they have used for every military action for decades.
Stop the spread of communism (Korea and Vietnam)
If we don't fight them there. We'll have to fight them here. (GWOT)
Bet he got multiple jabs.
You sound……unvaccinated.
Accepting the jab and the multiple boosters in a roundabout way might be considered suicide.
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don't buy it. putin wouldn't sell it here. also,he has plenty more places to move it. prob get more $ elsewhere too.
I imagine Black Rock and co will not be just writing the loans away like heads of states do their taxpayer financed loans.
It says official creditors have told bondholders they should receive only “symbolic” payments up to 2027.
It is a long way from what investors envisage. A source involved in the talks said there was dismay at the deal Kyiv brought to the table given that creditors haven’t received a single payment for the last two years. The committee warned it “was significantly in excess of market expectations” and “would risk substantial damage to Ukraine’s future investor base”.
Discussions are being overseen by some of the most experienced sovereign debt negotiators the West has to offer. Marchenko, a slim, square-jawed PhD graduate, and his colleagues at the finance ministry, are being counselled by a team from Rothshild’s Paris office.
Kyiv is urging bondholders to take steep hits of as much as 60pc on their loans, in a move that would reduce its debts by up to $12bn. The government says significant debt relief is essential in its attempts to defeat the Kremlin and rebuild Ukraine once the war ends. A generous deal is also not just in its own interests, but the wider West as well, it claims.
“Given that Ukraine currently finances all civilian expenditures of the state budget with foreign assistance, it would be unreasonable to expect Ukraine to spend extremely limited resources to repay these debts,”
www.telegraph.co.uk
It says official creditors have told bondholders they should receive only “symbolic” payments up to 2027.
It is a long way from what investors envisage. A source involved in the talks said there was dismay at the deal Kyiv brought to the table given that creditors haven’t received a single payment for the last two years. The committee warned it “was significantly in excess of market expectations” and “would risk substantial damage to Ukraine’s future investor base”.
Discussions are being overseen by some of the most experienced sovereign debt negotiators the West has to offer. Marchenko, a slim, square-jawed PhD graduate, and his colleagues at the finance ministry, are being counselled by a team from Rothshild’s Paris office.
Kyiv is urging bondholders to take steep hits of as much as 60pc on their loans, in a move that would reduce its debts by up to $12bn. The government says significant debt relief is essential in its attempts to defeat the Kremlin and rebuild Ukraine once the war ends. A generous deal is also not just in its own interests, but the wider West as well, it claims.
“Given that Ukraine currently finances all civilian expenditures of the state budget with foreign assistance, it would be unreasonable to expect Ukraine to spend extremely limited resources to repay these debts,”
Ukraine goes to war... with Western moneymen
The world’s most influential financiers are beginning to call in Kyiv’s debts
www.telegraph.co.uk
anyone who invested in ukraine loosing their "investment"? tough shit. however,black rock et al are fully aware that they are covered by the US taxpayer thru some of the usual sub prime bail out,too big to fail type programs from the uniparty.
It will not come to any bail out , Ukraine will be stripped of any and all assets and arable land being main collateral. Black Rock and co already own shitloads of it , since war started Oligarchs and western companies acquired more than its being currently occupied by Russia. Ukrainian arable land is second to none in the quality of deep black soil. 1/3 of world's top quality black soil is in Ukraine.
One year into the war, a new report reveals how oligarchs and financial interests are expanding control over Ukraine’s agricultural land with help and financing from Western financial institutions.
Aid provided to Ukraine in recent years has been tied to a drastic structural adjustment program requiring the creation of a land market through a law that leads to greater concentration of land in the hands of powerful interests.
Ukraine’s crippling debt is being leveraged by financial institutions to drive post-war reconstruction towards further privatization and liberalization in several sectors, including agriculture.
The total amount of land controlled by oligarchs, corrupt individuals, and large agribusinesses is over nine million hectares — exceeding 28 percent of Ukraine’s arable land. The largest landholders are a mix of Ukrainian oligarchs and foreign interests — mostly European and North American as well as the sovereign fund of Saudi Arabia. Prominent US pension funds, foundations, and university endowments are invested through NCH Capital, a US-based private equity fund.
The report also sounds the alarm that Ukraine’s crippling debt is being used as a leverage by the financial institutions to drive post-war reconstruction towards further privatization and liberalization reforms in several sectors, including agriculture.
“This is a lose-lose situation for Ukrainians. While they are dying to defend their land, financial institutions are insidiously supporting the consolidation of farmland by oligarchs and Western financial interests
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Kiev tried to blame it on the Russians.
‘Untrue’: Russia slams Ukrainian claim of attack on civilian targets
The Russian military said Ukrainian air defenses were responsible for harming civilians in Kiev on Monday
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Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky has accused Moscow of deliberately targeting a prominent children’s hospital, claiming that “it’s impossible that Russia does not know where its missiles fly and must fully answer for its crimes.”
Ukrainian Interior Minister Igor Klimenko has branded Russia “a nation of terrorists and scum,” adding that at least seven people were killed in the capital.”
'Barbaric': Russia Accused Of Attacking Kiev Children's Hospital On Eve Of NATO Summit In D.C. | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com
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Y shaped building is the hospital , missile struck near but of course if nothing else widows shater and send debris flying .
Orange is an electrical substation green is the collapsed buidling.
Missile strikes
So if we are considering WW3 as getting kinetic, we might have some of the initial players figured out beyond NATO:
"The Ramstein format has been extremely important, and it really made a difference and enabled us all to provide unprecedented support to Ukraine," added the NATO Secretary General. According to him, the events in Ukraine demonstrate that security issues extend far beyond the region and are a global problem. Taking this into account, during the NATO summit starting tomorrow in Washington, leaders of Asian-Pacific partners - Australia, New Zealand, Japan, and South Korea - will also be present.
"And that's clearly demonstrated in the war in Ukraine, where Iran, North Korea, China are supporting, enabling Russia's illegal war of aggression against Ukraine," Stoltenberg added."
You watch - this may not follow with 100% correlation, but this whole thing is going to largely be BRICS vs EU/NATO/Pacific allies. The only ones left will be the countries that don't fall into either bucket, but it will end up being a war between economic blocks. No way the Eurodollar is going to accept any competition on the world stage.
"The Ramstein format has been extremely important, and it really made a difference and enabled us all to provide unprecedented support to Ukraine," added the NATO Secretary General. According to him, the events in Ukraine demonstrate that security issues extend far beyond the region and are a global problem. Taking this into account, during the NATO summit starting tomorrow in Washington, leaders of Asian-Pacific partners - Australia, New Zealand, Japan, and South Korea - will also be present.
"And that's clearly demonstrated in the war in Ukraine, where Iran, North Korea, China are supporting, enabling Russia's illegal war of aggression against Ukraine," Stoltenberg added."
You watch - this may not follow with 100% correlation, but this whole thing is going to largely be BRICS vs EU/NATO/Pacific allies. The only ones left will be the countries that don't fall into either bucket, but it will end up being a war between economic blocks. No way the Eurodollar is going to accept any competition on the world stage.
Zelenskiy-Tusk deal: Poland to shoot down Russian missiles and drones over Western Ukraine
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NATO is already reshaping its mission to be a defensive alliance to counter China. This started in 2019.
It sure does seem like the the chessboard is being setup for a direct conflict between NATO and some version of BRICS.
Kiev tried to blame it on the Russians.
‘Untrue’: Russia slams Ukrainian claim of attack on civilian targets
The Russian military said Ukrainian air defenses were responsible for harming civilians in Kiev on Mondaywww.rt.com
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Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky has accused Moscow of deliberately targeting a prominent children’s hospital, claiming that “it’s impossible that Russia does not know where its missiles fly and must fully answer for its crimes.”
Ukrainian Interior Minister Igor Klimenko has branded Russia “a nation of terrorists and scum,” adding that at least seven people were killed in the capital.”
'Barbaric': Russia Accused Of Attacking Kiev Children's Hospital On Eve Of NATO Summit In D.C. | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
It seems like a lot of these recent incidents turn out to be caused from a Ukrainian rocket, rather than one from Russia. I can think of at least two prior incidents in which this was the case, and Zelensky tried to use as a call for direct escalation prior to it being found out that it was a Ukrainian missile.
I always take these specific events with a huge grain of salt. Could it have been Russia? Absolutely, I mean it's an active war zone in which they are the main participant. But it also could very likely be Ukrainian. And we have recent history that demonstrates that Ukraine will even use their own rockets as a direct call for escalation in the conflict.
Can't trust anybody on this war, most propagandized war in history.
Also, which side is most desperate now? Ukraine be far. Desperation and impending doom means anything is possible.
That's what's troubling about all of this.
There are many factors not working in Ukraine's favor:
1. Man power. They are running out of it. Doesn't matter how much $ or missiles you have if you don't have enough people to continue to fight the war. The average age of Ukrainian soldier is what now? Over 50?
2. Weapon stocks and replenishment. Some weapon stockpiles are being depleted at a rate much faster than production can keep up with (like 155mm artillery shells). Also, how much longer can countries continue to commit billions upon billions in $ and weapons? Especially for a win that seems more and more unwinnable?
3. US Election. Huge question mark here. Biden is likely not going to win. Is Trump going to continue support for Ukraine? Doesn't seem like it, and Ukraine knows it.
The clock is ticking for Zelensky and he knows it. Will he attempt to make the conflict more widespread as an act of desperation? To force NATO to go all in? That prospect is not unlikely, and incredibly unsettling.
A false flag greater than 9/11 happening, there or here, would not surprise many.
They've done this numerous times now.
There's been many things that they've stated they wouldn't do in the beginning because it would be an obvious escalation/provocation, that they ended up doing anyways later on.
F16's, Patriot missile systems, allowing Ukraine to strike inside of Russia, etc.
The only one they haven't gone back on is the US/West setting up a no fly zone.
if a no fly zone called over ukraine? who to enforce it? US,NATO? that starts and you have a bomb shelter,head for it. russia won't give on that. will get active war between US/NATO and russia +. my bet that if it goes nuc "our side" will be the starter. putin will be a prophet "we are all going to die". i really do fear this.
NATO leaders jointly affirm 'Ukraine's future is in western alliance'
NATO leaders jointly have affirmed that "Ukraine's future is in NATO" and its path is "irreversible," as th...www.9news.com.au
Utter fools.
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