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The war in Ukraine and Donbas
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After the fall of the USSR, many Oligarchs started calling their 3rd cousins in NYC to start gutting the place.
Putin still does MUCH business with NYC.
Titanium. Uranium. Neon. Machine Parts.
Ect. Ect. Ect.
NYC and Moscow and Beijing are all in bed together.
John Deere is getting outsourced now. The outsourcing of middle America is continuing.
Springfield, Ohio was gutted from 2000-2020.
Instead of paying locals 25 USD per hour to live a HAPPY life...they bring in 20,000 Haitians for $17.50 per hour.
NYC Soros Alumni.... It's not that they are evil...it's just that they don't give a fuck about your pocketbook or community.
NYC and Vegas hookers and no limit poker are a hell of a drug.
Trump is a liar. Biden is a liar. Putin is a liar. Xi is a liar. Harris is a liar.
Fuck NYC and Moscow and Kiev and D.C. and Toronto.
10% of the Haitians since 2023 probably have moved to Dayton and Colombus and are carrying Glock 20s with a switch by now. Guaranteed.
NYC owned media is simply trying to prevent a pogrom or unrest right now.
NYC owned media is simply trying to prevent a pogrom or unrest right now.
"Your parents secretly do not give a fuck about you".
Well get on it before 1812 happens.
Ukrainians definitely need to hire this dude again
"Ahead of the meeting, the White House said the US hasn’t changed its policy regarding long-range strikes. “There is no change to our view on the provision of long-range strike capabilities for Ukraine to use inside of Russia,” said National Security Council spokesman John Kirby. “I would not expect any major announcement in that regard.”
"Previous escalatory steps that the US has taken in the Ukraine proxy war were not announced publicly. For example, when President Biden gave Ukraine the greenlight to use US-provided weapons in Russian border regions, it was first revealed by media reports and later acknowledged by the administration."
US Allows Ukraine to Use Long-Range Missiles to Target Russian Territory After Iranian Missiles Delivery
US Allows Ukraine to Use Long-Range Missiles to Target Russian Territory After Iranian Missiles Delivery
armyrecognition.com
"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky complained on Friday that his Western backers won’t shoot down Russian missiles and drones over Ukraine, which would mean direct NATO involvement in the war."
Some russian drones and missiles are getting shot down with NATO looking over their shoulders and at times hands on help .....that is a given its covert . The amount of intel garnished on russian arms and AA defense would demand it .......but lets just keep this a lil secret . The uke will sign in 25 is my bet
can this be real ? An abrams with hillbilly russian type top armor knocked out ....i thought this weapon was another of those game changers that the uke was gonna use to defeat the russians..... guess not
I think we sent some stuff downrange to have it tested in a peer-to-peer type environment. NATO is all about tanks, but it looks like that strategy won't work on Russia, based on some of the first genuine tank battles in the last century in Europe.
So, now that we know that, what are we going to do about it?
If you guessed "send more money to the military-industrial complex to develop a counter-counter tank device for gazillions of dollars each that mimic the capabilities of $20K garage-built killer drones" you'd be a winner.
So, now that we know that, what are we going to do about it?
If you guessed "send more money to the military-industrial complex to develop a counter-counter tank device for gazillions of dollars each that mimic the capabilities of $20K garage-built killer drones" you'd be a winner.
of course its weapons testing ....it commies killing commies .... no US blood foreign policy but if ya notice the uke is not getting the latest/best stuff because they can't be trusted with them ,what they are getting is old stuff from nato stocks that needed to be updated ,which means our nato buddies will buy new stuff from US us ....aint war grand and profitable
Britain ‘won’t go it alone’ over long-range missiles for Ukraine
The UK will not approve the use of the weapons against targets in Russia without the agreement of the United States, as Zelensky pleads for ‘decisiveness’
www.thetimes.com
Little dog yaps but hides behind it's owner's skirt.Britain ‘won’t go it alone’ over long-range missiles for Ukraine
The UK will not approve the use of the weapons against targets in Russia without the agreement of the United States, as Zelensky pleads for ‘decisiveness’
NATO is full of little yappy dogs, that could drag us into war if they do enough provoking.
The fact that we would have to go to war for a little shit hole like Lithuania is nuts.
NATO should be disbanded.
true that ...besides the uke is not the place for us US to get ww3 started ,neither is taiwan
its gonna be a very cold and dark winter for many in the uke but they probably will sign a peace deal in 25 ,the longer they wait the less livable country they will have
The longer that we wait to kick the illegals out of our country the less livable it will be for us.
the process will get underway on 1/6/25 but i am sure there will be more than a few legal challenges to it sadly ,at least the border will get some attention to stem the flow .
We're not going to just shoot the sons-of-bitches, we're going to rip out their living goddamned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We're going to murder those lousy Hun cocksuckers by the bushel-fucking-basket. War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts. When shells are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt off your face and realize that instead of dirt it's the blood and guts of what once was your best friend beside you, you'll know what to do! I don't want to get any messages saying, "I am holding my position". We are not holding a goddamned thing. Let the Germans do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy's balls. We are going to twist his balls and kick the living shit out of him all of the time. -General George Patton
B(a)old statements and see what that got him. Some fanboys forget what US met on the battlefield in Europe in WWII was remnants of Eastern divisions having R&R in France to calm their nerves after beating they've received. So in this dick measuring contest with Russia some idiots here keep posting one better makes sure its dick can even get hard (and Westerners dicks are flaccid as fuck - which many white bitches can confirm as they appear to prefer black and imported brown meat) before yapping about size and technique.
There are whispers in the dark shadows of the court that emperor has no clothes beware of the whispers becoming shouts, kingdom might implode...
There are whispers in the dark shadows of the court that emperor has no clothes beware of the whispers becoming shouts, kingdom might implode...
We supplied 70% of the Soviet Union's rolling stock in that war.
Without us, there would be no Russia. It would all be Lebensraum, and that is a fact.
Without us, there would be no Russia. It would all be Lebensraum, and that is a fact.
Looks like the Marines getting rid of their tanks wasn't such a bad idea now
Horseshit, amount of help that reached Soviet union at that time was miniscule compared to entire requirements for war effort. You keep telling yourself fairy tales thats all you've got.
Have to agree with this dude here.
The latest talking point from the left is that the only reason the Soviets won WWII was lend lease.
It's more BS to make Russia look inept.
Russia may In fact be inept but the Soviet Union beat Germany because they had more blood.
If equipment was the metric we would not be 2-3 with only smaller scale wins over the last 75 years.
Taliban is driving around a lot of "lend lease" these days gratis the American taxpayer when we ran away. Problem is they didn't get it until after their strategic win.
Not true, but I get you are making a point.
Not every conflict is peer to peer, especially when they use Naval force to project power.
But yes a vulnerability is exposed and even small scale enemies can get drones on the cheap.
I'd still rather see some MBT available to torch a hard point vs the alternative of "Hi Army, this is Marine Corps. We need an Abrams. How soon can you get here?"
The other alternative would be artillery or air and you know the ROE will prevent it.
Training for the last conflict that's never like the next. But there's taxpayers to exploit.
US KIA during WW2 were under 500k including non-combat ,russian losses were in the millions ....we "paid" russia to stay in the war and keep the germans tied down , 4 out of 5 german combat deaths were on the eastern front where the main fighting was . Same with PTO we "paid" china to tie up millions of jap. troops ,Chinese losses were in the millions also . Never sent a man when you can send a bullet or a check ,the bigger the better . Had china and/or russia made peace deals in 44 the outcome would be very different .
Well, Stalin and Kruschev disagree with you.
"I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war."
Nikita Khrushchev offered the same opinion.
"If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war," he wrote in his memoirs. "One-on-one against Hitler's Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war. No one talks about this officially, and Stalin never, I think, left any written traces of his opinion, but I can say that he expressed this view several times in conversations with me."
Let me additionally give here the percentages of total Soviet Union supplies given to them by lend lease.
Soviet General Georgy Zhukov said after the end of WWII. "We didn’t have explosives, gunpowder. We didn’t have anything to charge our rifle cartridges with. The Americans really saved us with their gunpowder and explosives. And how much sheet steel they gave us! How could we have produced our tanks without American steel? But now they make it seem as if we had an abundance of all that. Without American trucks we wouldn’t have had anything to pull our artillery with."
@sharac
You going to respond to those quotes by Stalin, Kruschev, and Zhukov, along with the Lend Lease figures I provided?
You said all I had were fairy tales. If so, then Stalin, Kruschev, and Zhukov did a pretty good job of telling my Western propaganda fairy tales for me, didn't they?
Come on, you paid Kremlin propagandist, it's still the work day in Moscow, get on with rebutting this or I'll report you for an anti-Russian work ethic.
You going to respond to those quotes by Stalin, Kruschev, and Zhukov, along with the Lend Lease figures I provided?
You said all I had were fairy tales. If so, then Stalin, Kruschev, and Zhukov did a pretty good job of telling my Western propaganda fairy tales for me, didn't they?
Come on, you paid Kremlin propagandist, it's still the work day in Moscow, get on with rebutting this or I'll report you for an anti-Russian work ethic.
You should listen to your great leaders...
In a November 1941 letter to Roosevelt, Soviet Premier Josef Stalin wrote:
“Your decision, Mr. President, to give the Soviet Union an interest-free credit of $1 billion in the form of materiel supplies and raw materials has been accepted by the Soviet government with heartfelt gratitude as urgent aid to the Soviet Union in its enormous and difficult fight against the common enemy — bloodthirsty Hitlerism.”
At a dinner toast with Allied leaders during the Tehran Conference in December 1943, Stalin added: “The United States … is a country of machines. Without the use of those machines through Lend-Lease, we would lose this war.”
Nikita Khrushchev, who led the Soviet Union from 1953 to 1964, agreed with Stalin’s assessment. In his memoirs, Khrushchev described how Stalin stressed the value of Lend-Lease aid: “He stated bluntly that if the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war.”
US supplied them over half the aviation gas to run their airforce.
Over 400,000 trucks.
13,000 tanks.
14,000 aircraft. (over20 soviet Aces flew P-39's)
The list goes on.
Its pretty Fucking obvious the USA and Russia helped each other out to stop the Germans.
He may be, but wasn’t that 80 years ago? Tilting at antique windmills is not particularly useful. Look at Easter Europe; they destroy their own countries over shit that happened centuries ago.
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it” America Philosopher George Santayana.
"Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it.'" Paraphrased by Winston Churchill, House of Commons 1948.
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