The war in Ukraine and Donbas

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Darayavaus said:
Ukrainians need to stop fighting for the globalists. when the recruiters start dragging people off the streets....shoot them. These guys have a better chance of living if they kill the press gangs than they would going up against Russian artillery.

The best thing Ukraine can do is hang Zelensky, kill the radicals, make peace with Russia, and cut off Galicia.....in fact, just sell it back to the fucking Poles for the cost of rebuilding the war zone.
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I am not sure it will get to that, same thing happened in South Korea in the 1950's. On the other hand this is not 1950 anymore.

I really think this is the best chance for Ukraine's people.....as in the people being tossed into the meat grinder.

What we are watching is the end result of corruption.
 
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fpgt72 said:
I am not sure it will get to that, same thing happened in South Korea in the 1950's. On the other hand this is not 1950 anymore.

I really think this is the best chance for Ukraine's people.....as in the people being tossed into the meat grinder.

What we are watching is the end result of corruption.
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only the best people die. the fucking rats send them off while they count the money.
 
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Darayavaus said:
Ukrainians need to stop fighting for the globalists. when the recruiters start dragging people off the streets....shoot them. These guys have a better chance of living if they kill the press gangs than they would going up against Russian artillery.

The best thing Ukraine can do is hang Zelensky, kill the radicals, make peace with Russia, and cut off Galicia.....in fact, just sell it back to the fucking Poles for the cost of rebuilding the war zone.
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Seen this yet?

www.revolver.news

Enough: Working-class woman says "no more," tells draft officer to send the rich to fight their war... - Revolver News

Let the rich elites fight their own wars.
www.revolver.news www.revolver.news
 
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This was linked on Drudge today. WTF happened to Drudge BTW?


www.the-sun.com

Putin will be out within a YEAR & West must prepare for the end, says ex-MI6 spy

VLADIMIR Putin’s 20-year iron fist reign will be over within a year, a former MI6 spy claimed. Christopher Steele, who ran MI6’s Russia desk between 2006 and 2009, said the West needs t…
www.the-sun.com www.the-sun.com

Is this any relation to the Steel that wrote the “Pissgate” dossiers?
 
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Bullfrog08 said:
Chaos is the goal., I can't understand the end game, but chaos is the most served dish right now.
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Control is the Goal.

Chaos is a result of the push.

"They" have been working in Ukraine since the 1950's, looking for western sympathizers to counter eastern(moscow) influence. And its not just USA, the brits are there too along with many others.

Personally, it looks more like the democrats, some Rhino war hawk politicians, along with their European partners lost patience and started pushing way too hard when they saw the violent uprising occur in 2013/14. "nows our chance" kinda thing. And they did. If you step back and look at it, up until Putin invaded in 2022 the west was winning in Ukraine. Even thought Russia had moved in and grabbed a small portion of the South East. Most of the Country was taken with little destruction.

At this Point, if US/European leaders that pushed this coup, stepped back and saw what they had done, gaining control of +80% of the country as a win and seceded the lower portions to Russia as a concession, I think this entire war could have been avoided. Instead they stepped up the anti Russian rhetoric and started pushing harder. Finally Russia had enough.

Now Ukraine is Getting destroyed, 1/2 the population is gone. Industry has ground to a halt, and they are a military welfare nation. Freedom and Democracy in Ukraine has disappeared and has turned into an authoritarian miltary junta. All because they couldn't allow the South East of the country to break away and aline east after the coup.

The end game is weakening Russia.

Seeing western supplied weapons bombing Moscow's Financial district... Bombing Nord Stream.. They want Russia to react, so they can play victum and go in full force. They are waiting for the next Pearl Harbor. Edit- This is why before this all started in FEB 23, I didn't think Putin would invade, I figured he see it for what it is.
 
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SOF from USA-Britain-Poland prepare large-scale air landing in the Russian rear: Breach of the "Surovikin Line" via Energodar and Vasilievka
Zelensky advisor: We will take two million Crimeans hostage!

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SOF από ΗΠΑ-Βρετανία-Πολωνία ετοιμάζουν μεγάλης κλίμακας αεραπόβαση στ

Το Κίεβο συγκεντρώνει μοίρες ελικοπτέρων για να εκτελέσει μεγάλης κλίμακας αεραπόβαση βαθιά στα ρωσικά μετόπισθεν μεταδίδουν ρωσικά ΜΜΕ. Στην επίθεση θα συμμετέχουν ειδικές δυνάμεις από ΗΠΑ-Βρετανία-Πολωνία οι οποίες θα προσπαθήσουν να διαρρήξουν τη «Γραμμή Σουροβικίν». Η πληροφορία αυτή...
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lariat said:
SOF from USA-Britain-Poland prepare large-scale air landing in the Russian rear: Breach of the "Surovikin Line" via Energodar and Vasilievka
Zelensky advisor: We will take two million Crimeans hostage!
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No way they could pull that off without offensive strikes first, an active combat zone is not a permissive environment for an air drop.

GreenGO Juan said:
Now Ukraine is Getting destroyed, 1/2 the population is gone. Industry has ground to a halt, and they are a military welfare nation. Freedom and Democracy in Ukraine has disappeared and has turned into an authoritarian miltary junta. All because they couldn't allow the South East of the country to break away and aline east after the coup.
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Ukraine was blinded by what they thought they could gain and lost sight of what they could lose.

Even if the war started just like the media said, a relatively small country suck between two powerful interest needs to be careful of what it does. Ukraine could have been neutral and profited from both sides but their politicians failed the people.
 
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Eostech said:
Even if the war started just like the media said, a relatively small country suck between two powerful interest needs to be careful of what it does. Ukraine could have been neutral and profited from both sides but their politicians failed the people.
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100% Politicians failed the people.
 
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Inifinty said:
Ukraine is a near perfect location for the banks to pit two superpowers against each other.

Notice it is the fields and smaller towns/cities that are being obliterated, and not the major metro areas which are expensive to rebuild.
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Kharkiv had a pre war population over 1 million. Its pretty well wasted.

Mariupol was just under .5 million. One of Europes largest steel mills was destroyed.

IMO the main reason we didn't see Russian troops in Kiev was the opening of spillways and using the Kiev Resrvoir to flood the route, which stalled Russian armor and resulted in them getting stuck in Bucha and that city getting destroyed then they decided to pull out realizing they weren't getting across the flooded wet lands.

Just watched Bakhmut get destroyed. And many others. Remember too Ukraine basically had a media black out, and doesn't cover the 100 or so missiles Russia launches every month since the Pipeline and Bridge were attacked.

Now the Fighting is out is mostly stalled out in open fields. But it took nearly 1 1/2 years to get to this point. We are kinda there now but much has been lost.
 
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GreenGO Juan said:
Kharkiv had a pre war population over 1 million. Its pretty well wasted.

Mariupol was just under .5 million. One of Europes largest steel mills was destroyed.

IMO the main reason we didn't see Russian troops in Kiev was the opening of spillways and using the Kiev Resrvoir to flood the route, which stalled Russian armor and resulted in them getting stuck in Bucha and that city getting destroyed then they decided to pull out realizing they weren't getting across the flooded wet lands.

Just watched Bakhmut get destroyed. And many others. Remember too Ukraine basically had a media black out, and doesn't cover the 100 or so missiles Russia launches every month since the Pipeline and Bridge were attacked.

Now the Fighting is out is mostly stalled out in open fields. But it took nearly 1 1/2 years to get to this point. We are kinda there now but much has been lost.
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Now compare losing all that to losing either Moscow or NYC.
 
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GreenGO Juan said:
Kharkiv had a pre war population over 1 million. Its pretty well wasted.

Mariupol was just under .5 million. One of Europes largest steel mills was destroyed.

IMO the main reason we didn't see Russian troops in Kiev was the opening of spillways and using the Kiev Resrvoir to flood the route, which stalled Russian armor and resulted in them getting stuck in Bucha and that city getting destroyed then they decided to pull out realizing they weren't getting across the flooded wet lands.

Just watched Bakhmut get destroyed. And many others. Remember too Ukraine basically had a media black out, and doesn't cover the 100 or so missiles Russia launches every month since the Pipeline and Bridge were attacked.

Now the Fighting is out is mostly stalled out in open fields. But it took nearly 1 1/2 years to get to this point. We are kinda there now but much has been lost.
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IDK I think we didn’t see troops in Kiev because that was a fixing move to pull Ukrainian combat power from the South by putting the capital at risk. Wasn’t enough depth of forces to seize and hold DUT the size of Kiev.
 
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232593 said:
IDK I think we didn’t see troops in Kiev because that was a fixing move to pull Ukrainian combat power from the South by putting the capital at risk. Wasn’t enough depth of forces to seize and hold DUT the size of Kiev.
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A massive help to that was the flooding of the area in "red". Bridges were destroyed and they could not get across the newly flooded low lands.
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They basically used the Kiev reservoir to create a moat around the city. Yeah they Spread troop out, no doubt. But you ain't getting any armor across that flooded area. Thats what saved Kiev from being raided.

 
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Inifinty said:
Somebody misplace their firework display?

I highly doubt all in the picture below is at risk, for the reason stated earlier.

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A little bigger than some fireworks, a guided weapon into the heart of the city. Just give it some time, things could get much worse. I wonder how those under construction high rises would react to something like the truck bomb that took out the Kerch Straight bridge.
 
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GreenGO Juan said:
A little bigger than some fireworks, a guided weapon into the heart of the city. Just give it some time, things could get much worse. I wonder how those under construction high rises would react to something like the truck bomb that took out the Kerch Straight bridge.
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I think there is a decent likelihood of that happening.
 
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