Tikka t1x Vs. CZ-457

[Wrencoforge]

Hi all, new to forum. Been shooting whole life but mainly as a hunter at fairly close ranges. I’m interested in long range shooting but certain logistics (money) are keeping me to the realm of 22lr. Someday, hopefully I can take what I learn on 22s and stretch it out a bit with a center fire..
So, to question at hand, after a bit of research I’m coming to the Tikka and CZ as good choices for an affordable, accurate rifle. Both seem like a big improvement over the savage Mkii-g I’m currently shooting. Both seem like they will work for NRL base class while being suitable to move up to open.
Both appear to have good options available for aftermarket stocks or chassis systems.
Both seem like you can upgrade barrels, though the CZ seems better in this department as I’ve read of people having issues removing the Tikka barrel. Also not sure if there are any companies currently making them for the Tikka.
Trigger wise, I know there are after market options for the Tikka, but doesn’t seem like it for the CZ. The CZ is adjustable but how does that compare?
Am I missing anything? How important is the availability of a good aftermarket trigger vs a good aftermarket barrel?
So I guess I’m curious if anyone has shot both stock and how they compare? And how they will stack up in the future after changing stocks, barrels and triggers? Which will be better suited to aftermarket modification?
Thanks for any input, it is much appreciated.

 

[Codiekfx400]

I am also considering both of those rifles. I don’t think you could go wrong with either one. Good luck and welcome to the Hide.

 

[Experienced Beginner]

I have a 452 and a 455 CZ that have impressed me with their accuracy. I customized the 452 by adding a hooded barrel band front sight and fitting a Micro adjustable rear peep sight. The 455 has a 16.5 threaded sporter weight barrel that I use suppressed with a Swarovski 3-9 scope. It has an after market scope rail and I have replaced several internal parts and springs. Both rifles are more capable than me. I’m like you, I want a 22 rifle to increase my basic skills and transfer them to my center fire rifles.
I have no experience with the Tikka 22 but have a CTR in 6.5 Creedmoor that is the most accurate factory rifle I have ever shot. Tikka rifles are fantastic for their cost. I’m going to compare the two brands very carefully, and “pull the trigger on one” soon. I want a heavier barrel PRS style mini rifle that is affordable to shoot.
What say you? I should add the new CZ 457 is what I’m leaning towards.

 

[Wrencoforge]

Thanks for your responses!
I think a lot of people are thinking of these two. Looking at the nrl-base rules, they’re my top two choices, as there’s not much available at a lower price point, and any more won’t allow for a scope.
My personal thoughts based on what I’ve read, it’s doubtful I’ll be able to shoot either before I buy, lean toward the Cz-457 pro Varmint. It has a heavier barrel and I prefer the stock. For an “as” purchased rifle it seems the better choice.. the Tikka on the other hand guarantees sub Moa, so it’s still up in the air..
What I’m more curious about, since both rifles as sold seem pretty accurate, is which is going to be able to “grow “ with the shooter better.
obviously a rifle taking 700 triggers and stocks would be best, but Vudoo is out of price range..
Anyone have any thoughts on how CZ’s trigger compares to say the Timney 2 stage that is available for the Tikka?
Anyhow, glad to be here and thanks for the responses, seems like there is much to learn.

 

[Experienced Beginner]

I didn’t comment about your questions very well. The CZ rifles seem to have good after market support. D.I.P (difinitive innovative products) have a wealth of products supporting 22 rifles. Proof research has pre-fit barrels for the CZ’s as well as other barrel makers. Lilja is another, I think. Area 419 have a scope rail and bolt knob and several full custom rifles and even chassis units with Bartlein custom barrels. I haven’t hunted for Tikka stuff but I think there’s a couple stock’s and chassis units out there.
You never seem to get you money back when you customize a rifle, but it’s for or own wants! I consider it entertainment expenses. Top quality is never a bad choice!

 

[littlepod]

Tikka has equal DIP support for rails, magazine extensions, knobs, etc. Tikka has a higher rate that the stock factory barrel will fire sub moa, CZ's I've heard tend to be hit or miss unless you're getting like the MTR comes with like a match barrel.

Tikka T1X has more support from KRG, as they haven't released their CZ 457 chassis.
MPA has more support for CZ 457 as they sell a CZ 457 hybrid chassis, but they only have a T3 chassis not a T1X chassis.
MDT supports both

T1X accepts all T3 triggers (identical) and both the CZ 457 and T1X have good adjustable triggers. I still have my factory T1X trigger with a $10 spring, set down to 1lb. It is the crispest single stage trigger I've shot with zero travel or creep.

CZ 457 has more aftermarket barrel support options. Tikka T1X currently has barrels coming from International Barrels (IBI) and are sold for $325 USD from Canada. My barrel came off w/o any issues.

CZ Pro Varmint is $588 MSRP, and Tikka is $469, so it's $100 more you can work with on a scope for base class over the CZ. I think the Tikka will out shoot it, but the T1X factory stock is pretty darn cheap. Base class rules allow you to modify with factory parts, so technically you're allowed to change all the stock pieces with what's offered by Tikka T3 line (handguard, pistol grip, lop spacers, and a cheek rest).

This was my factory T1X @ 100 yards.

This is my modified T1X w/ an IBI barrel.

 

[Wrencoforge]

Thank you very much, that’s exactly the kind of information I was hoping for.

 

[Just Chuck]

I've got the Tikka and pretty happy with it. CZ was my other consideration when buying - the things that gave the nod to Tikka were more after-market options and Tikka had 10 round mags vs 5 round mags for CZ.

 

[MDrimfirerookie]

i would lean towards the 457 if you are trying to stay in base class. now i shoot a 457 so i'm biased but there have been a few tikkas shoot in the series i shoot in. almost all of them upgraded their stocks right away. the one tikka i did handle at the store that was stock was really nice action wise but the factory stock left a lot to be desired for me. it was pretty flimsy. i'll defer to others who might be shooting the tikka in base class to speak to that though.

in reality, at this point both rifles will serve you well. flip a coin and get that rifle. where you need to focus is on finding the ammo that rifle likes.

the cz's tend to like sk ammo, while the tikka's are eating up wolf, eley and cci sv pretty well. get a bunch a try it out and let us know how it goes.

good luck!

 

[Experienced Beginner]

LittlePod gave some information on the Tikka that has me looking at the T1X now! There are more aftermarket items out there than I realized. I'm vested in CZ magazines etc, but I know the Tikka's shoot! That MDT stock is awesome. So many toys and so little money!

 

[carbonbased]

I wrote this on another 455 vs 457 a CZ thread…

For me, barrels being equal, it’s all about the trigger. And a dude named Bscar makes a FANTASTIC two-stage trigger onlyfor the 455. I’ve read about this trigger and amazingly, happened upon him at my local gun range! He had his set up for 2oz/2oz. I bought one and decided on 6oz/6oz. I don’t think there are any two stage triggers for the 457.

This trigger is better than my Kidd two stage and probably better than my Rem 700 Bix ‘n Andy TacSport Pro. It is at least the equal of the BnA. The “wall” on the Bscar trigger is so distinctive…anyway, I could wax poetic for some time. $200 http://triggersbyscar.com/

I realize there have been some improvements made upon the 455, but none of the 455 problems cited bothered me much. I have a later model 455 so the bolt had been factory modified (I bought new) so it didn’t hit the scope. I just bought a rubber ball thing that pops over my bolt knob…really nice during this Minnesota winter and cost ~$10. Makes bolt cycling a snap. Search for a silicone knob on Amazon or search my posts for a link.

The 457 is a better gun, except for the trigger situation. That, and the fact they don’t import the 457 28” barrel Ultra Lux, which mutes the report so well you don’t need a suppressor (or have to clean that suppressor). You would be correct in guessing I own a 455 Ultra Lux.

I have my eye on a Tikka T1x, however. What a slick bolt throw! Dunno about the availability of a two stage Tikka trigger.

 

[littlepod]

I wrote this on another 455 vs 457 a CZ thread…

For me, barrels being equal, it’s all about the trigger. And a dude named Bscar makes a FANTASTIC two-stage trigger onlyfor the 455. I’ve read about this trigger and amazingly, happened upon him at my local gun range! He had his set up for 2oz/2oz. I bought one and decided on 6oz/6oz. I don’t think there are any two stage triggers for the 457.

This trigger is better than my Kidd two stage and probably better than my Rem 700 Bix ‘n Andy TacSport Pro. It is at least the equal of the BnA. The “wall” on the Bscar trigger is so distinctive…anyway, I could wax poetic for some time. $200 http://triggersbyscar.com/

I realize there have been some improvements made upon the 455, but none of the 455 problems cited bothered me much. I have a later model 455 so the bolt had been factory modified (I bought new) so it didn’t hit the scope. I just bought a rubber ball thing that pops over my bolt knob…really nice during this Minnesota winter and cost ~$10. Makes bolt cycling a snap. Search for a silicone knob on Amazon or search my posts for a link.

The 457 is a better gun, except for the trigger situation. That, and the fact they don’t import the 457 28” barrel Ultra Lux, which mutes the report so well you don’t need a suppressor (or have to clean that suppressor). You would be correct in guessing I own a 455 Ultra Lux.

I have my eye on a Tikka T1x, however. What a slick bolt throw! Dunno about the availability of a two stage Tikka trigger.

Tikka T1X uses any Tikka T3/T3X trigger, so you can run the Timney 2-Stage or KRG Midas 2-stage. I'm not sure who else makes one.

 

[carbonbased]

Tikka T1X uses any Tikka T3/T3X trigger, so you can run the Timney 2-Stage or KRG Midas 2-stage. I'm not sure who else makes one.

I found another one: http://www.barnard.co.nz/barnard-tikka-trigger

 

[Eoddave27]

I own a T1x and a 457. It honestly doesn’t matter which you chose if you are looking at the barreled action and trigger. As has been stated the stock on the Tikka leaves a lot to be desired. I think they probably built the rifle knowing a lot of people would immediately toss it. That was what I did. The tikka uses about any T3 stock or chassis which is nice. Some may require a little modification but it is simple and just any user can do it. The CZ doesn’t have many options yet. I’m guessing they will have more shortly. The CZ pro Varmint is a nice set up right off the shelf but doesn’t leave much money for an optic. The one big drawback with the CZ is the magazine system is a lot harder to operate than the Tikka. The Tikka magazines are a lot easier to change on the clock. Also, as has been stated before if you don’t like SK/Lapua ammo I would steer clear of the CZ. All mine will shoot is Lapua made ammo. My Tikka shoots about anything.

 

[Wrencoforge]

Thanks for all the helpful advice!! It’s much appreciated.

 

[twittig]

The T1X stock is really cheap. A lot cheezier than the one on my T3x

 

[AirGunShawn]

Thanks for your responses!
I think a lot of people are thinking of these two. Looking at the nrl-base rules, they’re my top two choices, as there’s not much available at a lower price point, and any more won’t allow for a scope.
My personal thoughts based on what I’ve read, it’s doubtful I’ll be able to shoot either before I buy, lean toward the Cz-457 pro Varmint. It has a heavier barrel and I prefer the stock. For an “as” purchased rifle it seems the better choice.. the Tikka on the other hand guarantees sub Moa, so it’s still up in the air..
What I’m more curious about, since both rifles as sold seem pretty accurate, is which is going to be able to “grow “ with the shooter better.
obviously a rifle taking 700 triggers and stocks would be best, but Vudoo is out of price range..
Anyone have any thoughts on how CZ’s trigger compares to say the Timney 2 stage that is available for the Tikka?
Anyhow, glad to be here and thanks for the responses, seems like there is much to learn.

I cant compare the Timney to the CZ trigger but I can tell you that with a spring change and a little lapping of the CZ sear, you can get the trigger down to a safe, crisp 10 ounces. I have a Vudoo with a Trigger Tech Diamond set to 8 ounces and I really cant tell the difference between the two units. My CZ 457 MTR is my second favorite rifle. So much so that I bought a Trijicon 5-50x56 scope for her. CZ may not guarantee sub MOA groups but I can tell you that my factory gun does it.

CZ also does have 10 round mags and DIP have extended mag releases. I would consider an AREA 419 bolt knob an
absolute must. It is cheap, gives you better leverage to open and close and it feels great.
EDIT: Anarchy Outdoors has an extended mag release that is the same cost but much better. The DIP is only .080" longer than the factory release. The AO sticks out 1/2" beyond the stock. The old ACE #21 and #22 fit the 457 triggers as well.

Best of luck
Shawn

 

[AirGunShawn]

Tikka has equal DIP support for rails, magazine extensions, knobs, etc. Tikka has a higher rate that the stock factory barrel will fire sub moa, CZ's I've heard tend to be hit or miss unless you're getting like the MTR comes with like a match barrel.

Tikka T1X has more support from KRG, as they haven't released their CZ 457 chassis.
MPA has more support for CZ 457 as they sell a CZ 457 hybrid chassis, but they only have a T3 chassis not a T1X chassis.
MDT supports both

T1X accepts all T3 triggers (identical) and both the CZ 457 and T1X have good adjustable triggers. I still have my factory T1X trigger with a $10 spring, set down to 1lb. It is the crispest single stage trigger I've shot with zero travel or creep.

CZ 457 has more aftermarket barrel support options. Tikka T1X currently has barrels coming from International Barrels (IBI) and are sold for $325 USD from Canada. My barrel came off w/o any issues.

CZ Pro Varmint is $588 MSRP, and Tikka is $469, so it's $100 more you can work with on a scope for base class over the CZ. I think the Tikka will out shoot it, but the T1X factory stock is pretty darn cheap. Base class rules allow you to modify with factory parts, so technically you're allowed to change all the stock pieces with what's offered by Tikka T3 line (handguard, pistol grip, lop spacers, and a cheek rest).

This was my factory T1X @ 100 yards.
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This is my modified T1X w/ an IBI barrel.

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Little pod,
I'm just starting to look at a T1X and all of it's options, can you help me out?
Does MDT make a chassis with a shorter forend? How long is that bbl? What chassis type is that?
As I recall, mine is a LSS XL Gen 2. I love it !
How does the magazine fit into the mag well?
Is that the factory bolt?

Any information that you can offer up would be greatly appreciated.

thanks so much
Shawn Carroll

 

[littlepod]

Little pod,
I'm just starting to look at a T1X and all of it's options, can you help me out?
Does MDT make a chassis with a shorter forend? How long is that bbl? What chassis type is that?
As I recall, mine is a LSS XL Gen 2. I love it !
How does the magazine fit into the mag well?
Is that the factory bolt?

Any information that you can offer up would be greatly appreciated.

thanks so much
Shawn Carroll

I have the MDT ACC Chassis, and yes the fore-end is long. Their Tikka T3 SA inlet fits the T1X, at least for their ACC chassis, you might want to ping them to see if that's the same for all of their other chassis. It should be, but it's good to confirm.

It is a 20" barrel. If I had to do it again, I probably would have gotten 22" just for aesthetics . It's an International Barrels Inc barrel (IBI). Chambered in Win52D. If I had to do it again, I probably would have gotten it chambered in Eley EPS, or LR Match.

Magazine fits in the mag well pretty well. It's not perfect, but I have no issues mag changing it. As in, instead of pushing the mag directly straight up, I push it in at a slight angle since the T1X magazine hump hits the AICS mag release area. It doesn't sound as bad as I describe it, but there is a tiny angle I insert it at before I push straight up. I've never had a failure to change mags in any of my comps.

The bolt is factory, the knob is a Sterk Swept Back Bolt Handle. I love the handle.

It also has the short throw like your CZ 457, like 50-60 degrees or something like that.

Other tidbits...
12 round mag extension coming in Shot Show from a few different accessory vendors.
Factory barrel is pretty decent, but IBI barrel is a bit tighter... it's also harder to feed as my Win52D chambering is pushing the round into the rifling as it's chambered. So need to chamber it fast and not slow to get momentum to make it smooth into the rifling.

If I had to do it again, I might have gotten a chassis that was slightly shorter, or a 22" barrel

 

[AirGunShawn]

Thanks for your responses!
I think a lot of people are thinking of these two. Looking at the nrl-base rules, they’re my top two choices, as there’s not much available at a lower price point, and any more won’t allow for a scope.
My personal thoughts based on what I’ve read, it’s doubtful I’ll be able to shoot either before I buy, lean toward the Cz-457 pro Varmint. It has a heavier barrel and I prefer the stock. For an “as” purchased rifle it seems the better choice.. the Tikka on the other hand guarantees sub Moa, so it’s still up in the air..
What I’m more curious about, since both rifles as sold seem pretty accurate, is which is going to be able to “grow “ with the shooter better.
obviously a rifle taking 700 triggers and stocks would be best, but Vudoo is out of price range..
Anyone have any thoughts on how CZ’s trigger compares to say the Timney 2 stage that is available for the Tikka?
Anyhow, glad to be here and thanks for the responses, seems like there is much to learn.

Hello Forge,
What did you ever do about your gun choice? I cant compare the 457 trigger to the Timney but I can say that the 457 unit
can be changed into a really nice trigger with just a little work. Just lap the trigger sear and change out one spring and it is easy to
achieve a crisp 10 oz. unit. One reason that it so easy is that the trigger sear is so large. You can see in photo marked TRG4, that it will
stand on it's end unsupported. Anyway, I would not be surprised if you end up with a CZ 457 at some point. It's a very nice rifle, I have three. I held the Chassis the other day and it is nice. Once you adjust the stock you can lock it out to prevent any wobble.
I would suggest the AREA 419 "clamp on" style rail and the bolt knob. Anarchy Outdoors has the best extended magazine release. It sticks out
half an inch below the stock. Also the old ACE trigger shoe #22 is nice to have as well. A #21 will also fit.
Keep in mind that the sketch below has a mistake on #49, turning in the screw provides less engagement. Lefty 222 did a pretty good job on it.
If you go with a cheaper DIP or scar rail that uses set screws to retain the rail, you should put some lead shot under the set screws to
prevent receiver damage. ( Divots & scratches ) The DIP extended mag release is nice but it only adds .080" of length over the factory release.

Best of luck
Shawn

 

[Wrencoforge]

After much debate I went with the Tikka.. the two things that swayed my choice were reviews on the triggers seemed to favor the Tikka, and on barrels, both seemed great but it sounded like cz was more likely to have the occasional lemon.. Tikka on the other hand seems to have some extraction issues so hopefully I don’t live to regret my choice..
Still waiting on the gun, after a week and a half waiting, it finally got here yesterday and I was delayed on the FFL so I won’t get it till Saturday.. the anticipation is killing me at this point.
Shawn, thanks for taking the time to give advice, the info on the trigger job is really going above and beyond, and while I didn’t get the cz the thought is appreciated.
-Justin

 

[AirGunShawn]

Tikka has equal DIP support for rails, magazine extensions, knobs, etc. Tikka has a higher rate that the stock factory barrel will fire sub moa, CZ's I've heard tend to be hit or miss unless you're getting like the MTR comes with like a match barrel.

Tikka T1X has more support from KRG, as they haven't released their CZ 457 chassis.
MPA has more support for CZ 457 as they sell a CZ 457 hybrid chassis, but they only have a T3 chassis not a T1X chassis.
MDT supports both

T1X accepts all T3 triggers (identical) and both the CZ 457 and T1X have good adjustable triggers. I still have my factory T1X trigger with a $10 spring, set down to 1lb. It is the crispest single stage trigger I've shot with zero travel or creep.

CZ 457 has more aftermarket barrel support options. Tikka T1X currently has barrels coming from International Barrels (IBI) and are sold for $325 USD from Canada. My barrel came off w/o any issues.

CZ Pro Varmint is $588 MSRP, and Tikka is $469, so it's $100 more you can work with on a scope for base class over the CZ. I think the Tikka will out shoot it, but the T1X factory stock is pretty darn cheap. Base class rules allow you to modify with factory parts, so technically you're allowed to change all the stock pieces with what's offered by Tikka T3 line (handguard, pistol grip, lop spacers, and a cheek rest).

This was my factory T1X @ 100 yards.
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This is my modified T1X w/ an IBI barrel.

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Little Pod,
I was just cleaning out my emails and ran across this old post. To my eye, yours is the best looking T1X that I have yet to see. I just wish that the ACC was shorter by three slots. Do you know if that could fit in a LLS ??
Do you have any kind of extended magazine release?

My Tikka purchase has been delayed because of the guns below. The Kimber and Walther KKJ are on layaway.
The Annie 54 and MAS 45 and the TC R55 are at or on the way to my FFL. Should have them all by Saturday.
The 54 will be my first single shot and the MAS 45 is my first military trainer. Built in 45 or 46. She is supposed to be very accurate according to my pal Kissofdeath. The Annie 54 is in desperate need of a toothbrush level of cleaning.
It is good for me that I enjoy that sort of thing. By Gods grace I was able to find the scope base for the MAS for
accuracy testing. One of my 50X scopes will spoil her looks for a short time but she will simply have to endure.

A guy that needs to stay out of the gun stores and off of Gun Broker.
Shawn

 

[AirGunShawn]

After much debate I went with the Tikka.. the two things that swayed my choice were reviews on the triggers seemed to favor the Tikka, and on barrels, both seemed great but it sounded like cz was more likely to have the occasional lemon.. Tikka on the other hand seems to have some extraction issues so hopefully I don’t live to regret my choice..
Still waiting on the gun, after a week and a half waiting, it finally got here yesterday and I was delayed on the FFL so I won’t get it till Saturday.. the anticipation is killing me at this point.
Shawn, thanks for taking the time to give advice, the info on the trigger job is really going above and beyond, and while I didn’t get the cz the thought is appreciated.
-Justin

Justin,
Happy to help anybody whenever I can. I don't know anyone that has one .22, they are simply too much fun. They draw you in just like a pretty girl. What scope are you going with? Nicer is better. Your going to spend more money on .22 ammo than you ever thought you would. SK yellow and red from Target Sports is a good place to start. Cheap prices.

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Kiss of Death has both guns and he did a trigger job on his 457. He has his at 7.6 oz. and claims it to be a 250.00 trigger
and nothing short of fabulous. He also has Anschutz rifles to compare it to as do I. KOD just got a Bix&Andy trigger for his Bergara B14R and it breaks at 2 oz. He would also be a good person to tap for information.

You have just opened yourself up to more ways to spend money than you ever dreamt possible.
It's much worse than hang gliding costs.

Shawn

 

[littlepod]

Little Pod,
I was just cleaning out my emails and ran across this old post. To my eye, yours is the best looking T1X that I have yet to see. I just wish that the ACC was shorter by three slots. Do you know if that could fit in a LLS ??
Do you have any kind of extended magazine release?

My Tikka purchase has been delayed because of the guns below. The Kimber and Walther KKJ are on layaway.
The Annie 54 and MAS 45 and the TC R55 are at or on the way to my FFL. Should have them all by Saturday.
The 54 will be my first single shot and the MAS 45 is my first military trainer. Built in 45 or 46. She is supposed to be very accurate according to my pal Kissofdeath. The Annie 54 is in desperate need of a toothbrush level of cleaning.
It is good for me that I enjoy that sort of thing. By Gods grace I was able to find the scope base for the MAS for
accuracy testing. One of my 50X scopes will spoil her looks for a short time but she will simply have to endure.

A guy that needs to stay out of the gun stores and off of Gun Broker.
Shawn

I don't know if the LSS fits the Tikka. I love the ACC, and I just bought another one and had it cut down 2" to fit a 18" barrel I kind of like it that only just the tip of the barrel is sticking out. I ended up selling my Tikka and the ACC to my friend so I can fund myself a Vudoo. I also ended up selling my Summit Biathlon Toggle rifle too... I'm just not a big collector of rifles, but do enjoy quality, precision, and competition so I will have a few key pieces in the safe.

 

[littlepod]

After much debate I went with the Tikka.. the two things that swayed my choice were reviews on the triggers seemed to favor the Tikka, and on barrels, both seemed great but it sounded like cz was more likely to have the occasional lemon.. Tikka on the other hand seems to have some extraction issues so hopefully I don’t live to regret my choice..
Still waiting on the gun, after a week and a half waiting, it finally got here yesterday and I was delayed on the FFL so I won’t get it till Saturday.. the anticipation is killing me at this point.
Shawn, thanks for taking the time to give advice, the info on the trigger job is really going above and beyond, and while I didn’t get the cz the thought is appreciated.
-Justin

There are a few quirks with the Tikka, but they're all pretty solvable. The factory trigger with the $10 spring upgrade turns it into a trigger as good as the Triggertech's, solid 1lb break with no creep. Factory Tikka barrels seem to be very consistently good. I haven't encountered a bad shooter yet, out of the multiple I've been around. I still think for $480 it's the best deal out there with a good amount of upgrades. The T1X thread will provide you with a good amount of answers and support if anything comes up.

Enjoy the rifle!

 

[AirGunShawn]

I don't know if the LSS fits the Tikka. I love the ACC, and I just bought another one and had it cut down 2" to fit a 18" barrel I kind of like it that only just the tip of the barrel is sticking out. I ended up selling my Tikka and the ACC to my friend so I can fund myself a Vudoo. I also ended up selling my Summit Biathlon Toggle rifle too... I'm just not a big collector of rifles, but do enjoy quality, precision, and competition so I will have a few key pieces in the safe.

LPod,

You are a Genius !! ...... Just chop that ACC off a bit and problem solved. Did you ask MDT to make the alterations? I just looked and it looks like your ACC comes with an end cap. Were you able to reinstalled it?
I truly had no plans on collection any rifles. My health took a big downturn and drove me out of climbing, scuba diving, hang gliding and a bunch of more "normal" activities. I have alway's liked guns and the history behind them, also they have different mechanism's that make them function. I did engineering most of my life so I'm drawn to peculiar ideas.

I'm currently bidding on a Browning X7 ( 856557152 ) on Gun Broker and it has a toggle lock similar to your Summit . Just a different mechanism for me to play with. My only concern is the condition of the metal. I don't really want to send it out for re-blue but I hate the way it currently looks. It would be fun for me to work on the rest of it.

There is an awful lot to like about the Vudoo rifle. I'm fairly certain that my Annies, both 1416s will shoot with it but they have small issues that need to be resolved. Not much but a new bolt knob, extended magazine release. You can also alter Savage mags so that you don't need to spend $80/$100 per 10 round mag. And an ACE #24 trigger shoe is a nice add.
I put a limb saver butt cover on because the butt plate is hard plastic and slips all over my shoulder. The LOP was fine.

My pal Kiss of Death ( KOD ) here on the Hide just got a Bix&Andy trigger set to 2 oz. for his B14R and feels it is the best trigger he has ever had. I have a Trigger Tech Diamond in my V22 and it will only go down to 8 oz. without discharging upon bolt closure.
TT sent me another unit to try and it did not help. Of the flat and curved blade, I recommend the curved blade.
You will like and never have problems with the Vudoo poly mags, I just happen to be a mag nut. I may get an aluminum mag purely for photo's. btw.... I would not bother with the logo on the mags because it comes off fairly easy when I toss them around.
I had no need but I bought a bunch of bolt parts, they are very inexpensive. As much as I hated the idea of spending
300.00 on an Atlas BT-65-LW17, but now I'm glad that I did. I bought a knock off first and it sux.

In the prior two months, I picked up the Sako Quad Range and the CZ At-One. They are both really nice guns to shoot.

It may seem like I'm going backwards but I'm still interested in the T1X. Also a Zermatt, B14R, Lithgow among others.
At least my Olympic air rifles used cheap ammo! Say 15.00 per 500. Some of the .22LR ammo seems ridiculous. LoL

Are you going to put weights on your V22? Why? one more thing... You may know, the MDT rear rifle stock comes in a standard length and a short length. It looks like your old T1X used the standard one. Although the short stock costs
100.00 bucks more, it is one inch shorter and would let you be able to adjust your LOP. That is the one I had to buy
to preserve the adjustment. Shown in the last photo.

Shawn

 

[Wrencoforge]

Justin,
Happy to help anybody whenever I can. I don't know anyone that has one .22, they are simply too much fun. They draw you in just like a pretty girl. What scope are you going with? Nicer is better. Your going to spend more money on .22 ammo than you ever thought you would. SK yellow and red from Target Sports is a good place to start. Cheap prices.

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Kiss of Death has both guns and he did a trigger job on his 457. He has his at 7.6 oz. and claims it to be a 250.00 trigger
and nothing short of fabulous. He also has Anschutz rifles to compare it to as do I. KOD just got a Bix&Andy trigger for his Bergara B14R and it breaks at 2 oz. He would also be a good person to tap for information.

You have just opened yourself up to more ways to spend money than you ever dreamt possible.
It's much worse than hang gliding costs.

Shawn

I know what you mean... hadn’t bought a gun in 15yrs then got my 13yro a 22 for his birthday last summer, since then I’ve bought three more..
Counting his and a Ruger mkiii that makes three 22lr’s in 6 months...

 

[twittig]

I wrote this on another 455 vs 457 a CZ thread…

For me, barrels being equal, it’s all about the trigger. And a dude named Bscar makes a FANTASTIC two-stage trigger onlyfor the 455. I’ve read about this trigger and amazingly, happened upon him at my local gun range! He had his set up for 2oz/2oz. I bought one and decided on 6oz/6oz. I don’t think there are any two stage triggers for the 457.

This trigger is better than my Kidd two stage and probably better than my Rem 700 Bix ‘n Andy TacSport Pro. It is at least the equal of the BnA. The “wall” on the Bscar trigger is so distinctive…anyway, I could wax poetic for some time. $200 http://triggersbyscar.com/

I realize there have been some improvements made upon the 455, but none of the 455 problems cited bothered me much. I have a later model 455 so the bolt had been factory modified (I bought new) so it didn’t hit the scope. I just bought a rubber ball thing that pops over my bolt knob…really nice during this Minnesota winter and cost ~$10. Makes bolt cycling a snap. Search for a silicone knob on Amazon or search my posts for a link.

The 457 is a better gun, except for the trigger situation. That, and the fact they don’t import the 457 28” barrel Ultra Lux, which mutes the report so well you don’t need a suppressor (or have to clean that suppressor). You would be correct in guessing I own a 455 Ultra Lux.

I have my eye on a Tikka T1x, however. What a slick bolt throw! Dunno about the availability of a two stage Tikka trigger.

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[littlepod]

LPod,

You are a Genius !! ...... Just chop that ACC off a bit and problem solved. Did you ask MDT to make the alterations? I just looked and it looks like your ACC comes with an end cap. Were you able to reinstalled it?
I truly had no plans on collection any rifles. My health took a big downturn and drove me out of climbing, scuba diving, hang gliding and a bunch of more "normal" activities. I have alway's liked guns and the history behind them, also they have different mechanism's that make them function. I did engineering most of my life so I'm drawn to peculiar ideas.

I'm currently bidding on a Browning X7 ( 856557152 ) on Gun Broker and it has a toggle lock similar to your Summit . Just a different mechanism for me to play with. My only concern is the condition of the metal. I don't really want to send it out for re-blue but I hate the way it currently looks. It would be fun for me to work on the rest of it.

There is an awful lot to like about the Vudoo rifle. I'm fairly certain that my Annies, both 1416s will shoot with it but they have small issues that need to be resolved. Not much but a new bolt knob, extended magazine release. You can also alter Savage mags so that you don't need to spend $80/$100 per 10 round mag. And an ACE #24 trigger shoe is a nice add.
I put a limb saver butt cover on because the butt plate is hard plastic and slips all over my shoulder. The LOP was fine.

My pal Kiss of Death ( KOD ) here on the Hide just got a Bix&Andy trigger set to 2 oz. for his B14R and feels it is the best trigger he has ever had. I have a Trigger Tech Diamond in my V22 and it will only go down to 8 oz. without discharging upon bolt closure.
TT sent me another unit to try and it did not help. Of the flat and curved blade, I recommend the curved blade.
You will like and never have problems with the Vudoo poly mags, I just happen to be a mag nut. I may get an aluminum mag purely for photo's. btw.... I would not bother with the logo on the mags because it comes off fairly easy when I toss them around.
I had no need but I bought a bunch of bolt parts, they are very inexpensive. As much as I hated the idea of spending
300.00 on an Atlas BT-65-LW17, but now I'm glad that I did. I bought a knock off first and it sux.

In the prior two months, I picked up the Sako Quad Range and the CZ At-One. They are both really nice guns to shoot.

It may seem like I'm going backwards but I'm still interested in the T1X. Also a Zermatt, B14R, Lithgow among others.
At least my Olympic air rifles used cheap ammo! Say 15.00 per 500. Some of the .22LR ammo seems ridiculous. LoL

Are you going to put weights on your V22? Why? one more thing... You may know, the MDT rear rifle stock comes in a standard length and a short length. It looks like your old T1X used the standard one. Although the short stock costs
100.00 bucks more, it is one inch shorter and would let you be able to adjust your LOP. That is the one I had to buy
to preserve the adjustment. Shown in the last photo.

Shawn

Haha I love the enthusiasm... I just started shooting precision rifle last June and I've been hooked. I went with the T1X the past 6 months and have done fairly well and I want to eventually try out PRS and build out a center fire rifle. I picked up a Huber 700 trigger, excited to try that out. From talking and reading about it, the guy who makes it is super passionate. Look at all these test metrics! It's only a 1.5lb trigger but I've heard great things. I can turn it into a single stage 8z trigger so that's nice too.

You should look into getting the Ultimatum Deuce. I think that's a sweet looking 22LR w/ a 60 degree 3 lug design, 6pm firing pin, using the M2013 action style. I was super close to getting one, but decided that I wanted to buy into the Vudoo brand and customer service.

Regarding my Vudoo... I ended up getting a 18" Kukri SS with a 40 moa rail. I got the MDT ACC Chassis, and I didn't know there was a way to get a shorter LOP. The default LOP that comes with the rifle is 13.5" and it works for me so that's great. I had been testing different configurations and 13.5" is what I like. Maybe when I go through training with lowlight this summer he'll correct me and then I'll have to figure something else out! Right now I sent my new R700 chassis over to a friend on the hide who's cutting off 1 m-lok slot and rounding it and re-installing the end plate. That reduces exactly 2". If I cut off 2 m-lok slots, I believe it reduces it 3.5", so I just stuck with 1 slot being cut off. I also got it re-cerakoted to look like this pattern - Not sure how it will turn out

When I ran my T1X with the MDT I asked MDT to also send me the aluminum backplate which reduces 0.5lbs off the back of the rifle. I wanted to get my rifle balanced right at the front of the mag well so it could sit nicely on a bag on a barricade. To do that, I had to lighten up the backplate by 0.5lbs, and then also add 2 sets of external weights to the front. That made the rifle around 14-15 lbs. Kind of hefty for standing stages. I'm not sure how the Vudoo will balance out. I ordered a set of 5 internal weights to see where it will balance. Also with the aluminum 12rnd magazine, that will also add another 0.5 lbs right at the mag well, so in an actual loaded situation I might need even more weight up front! I don't think I can make the stock any lighter...

The MDT ACC chassis might not have been the right choice for rimfire, but we'll play with it. I've been liking that Grayboe NEO chassis more and more, I just wish it had a machined in arca rail. https://grayboe.com/shop/neo/. Their reactor plugin seems cool too. I would go with the JP APAC chassis but man that is $$.

 

[viking78]

Both have good points, but i would go for Tikka, since you have very wide of chassis options and the trigger is in Tikka so good, that CZ trigger wont never get to that level.
But then CZ is with changeable barrel, but you can swap that Tikka barrel too, not as easy as it is in CZ, but you can do.
Im also wrestling with this, but i love Tikka quality and i am a Finnish, so there is only one right choice for me

 

[AirCapitalOutdoors]

Both have good points, but i would go for Tikka, since you have very wide of chassis options and the trigger is in Tikka so good, that CZ trigger wont never get to that level.
But then CZ is with changeable barrel, but you can swap that Tikka barrel too, not as easy as it is in CZ, but you can do.
Im also wrestling with this, but i love Tikka quality and i am a Finnish, so there is only one right choice for me

YoDave trigger spring in the CZ. Trigger turns to glass! Love it.

 

[viking78]

YoDave trigger spring in the CZ. Trigger turns to glass! Love it.

I had once CZ455 varmint, i had Daves kit on that, very sweet trigger with that green pin and second light spring.

 

[littlepod]

Are there any MTR match barrels on any of the other CZ's? I know the MTR barrel shoots fantastic, but the other factory ones are pretty hit&miss.

 

[MtnCreek]

Justin,
Happy to help anybody whenever I can. I don't know anyone that has one .22, they are simply too much fun. They draw you in just like a pretty girl. What scope are you going with? Nicer is better. Your going to spend more money on .22 ammo than you ever thought you would. SK yellow and red from Target Sports is a good place to start. Cheap prices.

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Kiss of Death has both guns and he did a trigger job on his 457. He has his at 7.6 oz. and claims it to be a 250.00 trigger
and nothing short of fabulous. He also has Anschutz rifles to compare it to as do I. KOD just got a Bix&Andy trigger for his Bergara B14R and it breaks at 2 oz. He would also be a good person to tap for information.

You have just opened yourself up to more ways to spend money than you ever dreamt possible.
It's much worse than hang gliding costs.

Shawn

Got anymore photos of Brittany? :-D

 

[nakoa01]

Justin,
Happy to help anybody whenever I can. I don't know anyone that has one .22, they are simply too much fun. They draw you in just like a pretty girl. What scope are you going with? Nicer is better. Your going to spend more money on .22 ammo than you ever thought you would. SK yellow and red from Target Sports is a good place to start. Cheap prices.

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www.targetsportsusa.com

Kiss of Death has both guns and he did a trigger job on his 457. He has his at 7.6 oz. and claims it to be a 250.00 trigger
and nothing short of fabulous. He also has Anschutz rifles to compare it to as do I. KOD just got a Bix&Andy trigger for his Bergara B14R and it breaks at 2 oz. He would also be a good person to tap for information.

You have just opened yourself up to more ways to spend money than you ever dreamt possible.
It's much worse than hang gliding costs.

Shawn

Hellloooo Brittany

 

[nakoa01]

Right, sho is pretty!

 

[Wrencoforge]

Hee hee hee!!
Finally got my T1x after a week and half delivery time and a 4 day ffl delay..
Got out and put 15 5 shot groups down range at 50yds
Halfway through I pulled the plastic barrel thing... and lowered trigger to around 1.5lbs. Tomorrow I’ll instal the spring kit.
All shot off magpul bipod.
Averaged 0.41” or 0.78MOA
Was expecting it to shoot like this with match ammo, but not this good with cci sv.. couldn’t be happier, since I can’t afford the good ammo..
I’ll maybe post pics on the T1x thread if I have time.

 

[AirGunShawn]

Got anymore photos of Brittany? :-D

Only because you asked nicely ...... She was God awful sick with Endometriosis in that first photo. Hardly walk or talk. She had all of the symptoms of a stroke. It was terrifying. Second pic was 6 months ago, five years after her daughter was born. Strangely it looks to be her youngest photo..... It's not, it's Brittany at her oldest !! It's obvious what happened in the third pic. LoL
Baby Dani .... She is at the point where she is getting easy to understand and really fun to be around.

 

[MtnCreek]

@AirGunShawn Sounds like she’s doing better now. Beautiful lady and the little one is cute as a button. Thanks for sharing.

 

[AirGunShawn]

I've got the Tikka and pretty happy with it. CZ was my other consideration when buying - the things that gave the nod to Tikka were more after-market options and Tikka had 10 round mags vs 5 round mags for CZ.

Hey Chuck,

By now you probably know...... CZ has ten round magazines as well as five rounder's. The Anarchy Outdoors extended mag release is the best for me because it sticks out 1/2" beyond the stock. I like the AREA 419 rail because it clamps to the receiver and wont damage the gun the way set screws will . Bob at DIP suggested putting lead shot under the set screws to protect my receiver. Although that is a good idea, sooner or later I'm going to allow the lead shot to fall out during a cleaning or scope swap and my poor gun will pay the price. I feel the 419 bolt knob is a must have item as well. It totally enhances the feel of the rifle. I initially struggled with it's peculiar appearance but it functions great !! It seems like FN makes a knob that works too.

Just an fyi.... Lumley makes a handy adapter that goes from 6M to 5/16-24 for bolt knob applications.
More fyi.... The old ACE #21 and #22 trigger shoes fit the 457 triggers.

And one last thing... A simple lap job to the trigger sear and a spring swap will get you a really great, safe 10 oz. trigger. Again, this is on the 457 trigger unit. Kiss of Death did his trigger and he is getting a 7.6 oz. pull. 10 oz. is easy peazy
for anyone to accomplish. The kit that he used came with 3 and 9 micron AO lapping film and four springs. Two of .014" wire and two of .018" wire diameter.

Lefty 222 did a nice job on the 457 trigger sketch but he realized that he labeled #49 backwards. Turning the screw in yields less engagement.

Hope this is helpful to somebody
Shawn

 

[AirGunShawn]

Are there any MTR match barrels on any of the other CZ's? I know the MTR barrel shoots fantastic, but the other factory ones are pretty hit&miss.

It is my belief that only the MTR has the match bbl. That said, my At-One and my Royal shoot very well with the standard bbls. It escapes me why CZ did not give all of the guns match chambers. I have never seen the "hit or miss" bbls. but I read about them all the time.
Even if it is people just repeating what they have heard, It seems to have cost CZ lots of sales. IE: Tikka
That is too bad.... I really enjoy my CZzzz It seems silly too that they used 1/2-20 threads on my Royal bbl.
I had to buy a 452 bbl. adapter to fit my silencer. And the Royal thread protector is about 2mm larger than the bbl. diameter is. The Royal muzzle just looks un-refined.

Shawn

 

[Wrencoforge]

Makes me wonder how much of the “hit or miss” with the C-Z is just people talking and repeating gossip...
Oh well, I’ve only had it a day but I’m very happy with the Tikka, guessing I would have been just as happy with a C-Z

 

[AirGunShawn]

Makes me wonder how much of the “hit or miss” with the C-Z is just people talking and repeating gossip...
Oh well, I’ve only had it a day but I’m very happy with the Tikka, guessing I would have been just as happy with a C-Z

Kiss of Death has three Tikkas, so you will probably like yours as well. If you don't please let me know, I'm still looking at getting one.

shawn

 

[Just Chuck]

@AirGunShawn Yeah, the ten round mag wasn't available when I was deciding. That would be welcome add, I'm sure. I'm pretty locked into the Tikka now and like doing some of the upgrades; i.e. DIP bolt knob, Muzzle brake, 25moa scope rail, and now waiting for Oryx chassis. Should be here mid-March.

I had some FTF problems early on but have got that debugged now. Accuracy is good with quality ammo 100-230yd. It's good with just about anything you feed it at 50yds.

 

[Cuzz]

I would also consider, if i liked the savage , send it to bug holes for a bartlein barrel

 

[AirGunShawn]

I would also consider, if i liked the savage , send it to bug holes for a bartlein barrel

I had a Savage Mk II for less than two weeks, It was plenty accurate for me and the ex police sniper that bought it
but I just hated the Accu-trigger unit and it's blade safety. I do my best to keep stock components. Replacing springs, lapping sears, changing bolt knobs and doing small stuff is fine. I have a Kriss Defiant that I'm very close to putting a KIDD 20" S.S. bbl. into, but that will be my first and hopefully last bbl. swap. The Kriss uses good materials and has good fit and finish, most of the gun
is very nice. I am having problems with accuracy and I wont allow much of that.

I only bought the Kriss to help me keep up in the local get together matches every month. I don't want to losse
because my poor choice of gun. All ties go to the fastest time.
I should have stayed with my bolt guns. .

 

[Cuzz]

yep, it took me more than 2 weeks to git used to that trigger.

 

[Wrencoforge]

So did you have your Savage re-barreled?
May I ask how much it cost and how it shoots?
We have a MkiiG with a pencil barrel that just won’t shoot well...
I’ve thought of cutting off 4.5” to try to stiffen it, but re- barreling would be better if cost affective, I just haven’t heard of any one who’s done it.

 

[AirGunShawn]

yep, it took me more than 2 weeks to git used to that trigger.

My factory Kriss trigger was 5lbs 10 oz. and it had a very long, gritty pull. I had a Geiselle SSA in my .223 so I tried that
and it FTF most of the time. Then I put in my JP adjustable and it worked fine. It is only adjustable in terms of sear
engagement and over travel. It is still 3 lbs. 8 oz. but for this test period, I have the safety removed so that I may have
the absolute least amount of sear engagement. My point is, I feel like it is the bbl. and that is trully disappointing.

 

[Cuzz]

So did you have your Savage re-barreled?
May I ask how much it cost and how it shoots?
We have a MkiiG with a pencil barrel that just won’t shoot well...
I’ve thought of cutting off 4.5” to try to stiffen it, but re- barreling would be better if cost affective, I just haven’t heard of any one who’s done it.

I have an older 12 , that started as a 22-250, after shooting it out , i sent it to Greg at bugholes and he put a 24” heavy 6.5 CM barrel in it which shoots very good. Then i bought one of the $400 savages with a cheap stock and i ordered a 17” bart 6.5 cm and put it in a mpa to hunt whitetail with. I wanted it short for a shooting house, they are both suppressed. I will send old pics of 200 yd with 24” bart in original laminate stock. I’m sorry, i can’t remember the price. It was expensive but if i shoot either one out, i will NOT buy another rifle, i WILL buy another bart from Greg.