Tikka T1X

[littlepod]

Y axis is the group size... so 0.5", 1", 1.5".

X axis is the ammo type, it looks like if there were too many of the same bunch, it just re-used the labels. I sorted by ammo-type & then by group size.

I haven't quite analyzed what it means in terms of most consistent... I guess I could do some standard deviation and average math on this.

 

[littlepod]

Y axis is the group size... so 0.5", 1", 1.5".

X axis is the ammo type, it looks like if there were too many of the same bunch, it just re-used the labels. I sorted by ammo-type & then by group size.

I haven't quite analyzed what it means in terms of most consistent... I guess I could do some standard deviation and average math on this.

Added a Table

Ammo Type	AVERAGE Group	STDEV Group	COUNTA of Ammo
Lapua Center-X	0.817	0.299	30
Lapua Pistol King	0.685	0.200	6
SK Biathlon Sport	0.853	0.160	6
SK Pistol Match Special	0.729	0.309	10
SK Rifle Match	0.962	0.223	6
SK Standard Plus	0.992	0.329	23

 

[Tomiboy]

Littlepod, Did you do this with your factory barrel also?

 

[littlepod]

Littlepod, Did you do this with your factory barrel also?

It's on my other phone. I probably have a good 300 groups with that one. I can play with it when I get my other phone back from work.

 

[tatman3715]

My groups improved greatly once I put my stock barreled action in the KRG chassis

 

[Tomiboy]

I'd love to see that data!

 

[ColbyLang]

Gents; KRG recommendation is 65 in lbs in a Bravo, what are you guys running? Never had a FTE or fail to feed. Thanks. Wife and kids gave me a Bravo for Xmas. I can’t wait to slap it all together

 

[littlepod]

Gents; KRG recommendation is 65 in lbs in a Bravo, what are you guys running? Never had a FTE or fail to feed. Thanks. Wife and kids gave me a Bravo for Xmas. I can’t wait to slap it all together

I ran 30 lbs on my Bravo with the T1X. I run 65 lbs in the Bravo for my T3X.

 

[littlepod]

Factory Barrel... this is also my first rifle/shooting/scope etc. So a lot of bad shooter groups in here too. Rifle really shoots anything... and as the ammo gets pricier, it shoots better, which makes sense. Though looking at the stats, it didn't really like Match Pistol, and Green Tag has shot worse than my CCI SV in like all my rifles for whatever reason...

Ammo Type	AVERAGE of Group Size	STDEV of Group Size	N Count
CCI Green Tag	1.933	0.813	6
CCI SV	1.399	0.490	30
Eley Club	1.619	0.546	16
Eley Contact	1.571	0.394	8
Eley Match Biathlon	0.882	0.282	6
Eley Match Pistol	1.417	0.546	12
Eley Target	1.246	0.375	34
Eley Tenex	0.913	0.235	23
Lapua Pistol King	1.028	0.319	12
SK Long Range Match	1.154	0.312	35
SK Standard Plus	1.126	0.356	83

 

[tatman3715]

I'd love to see that data!

Sorry but I dont photo document my ammo testing and groups with the Tikka T1X, I only keep that info for my 2 Vudoo's. The Tikka in the Bravo chassis was just to compare to my CZ 457 MTR in the Boyds AT One stock and Manners Varment addition. Also I want to be fair and test them when the weather is warmer, it was cold here in Ohio when I tested the Bravo chassis, but even in the cold with different ammo the Tikka shot way better with all the different ammo i use. My Tikka was approx .5 to .75 at 50 yards in the original stock and in the Bravo they went down to around .25 at 50 yards. I have not stretched it legs past 50 yards yet. Here is a list of ammo I currently am using for ammo testing in my 2 Vudoo's, 2 CZ457's and the Tikka T1X. Lapus Center X, Lapua Midas Plus, SK Rifle match, SK Standard Plus, SK Flat nose match, SK Long Range, SK Pistol Match, Federal Gold Medal match, Federal Ultra Match, Wolf match extra

 

[Ghogs Nightmare]

As a sidenote KRG has free shipping for the holidays in case anyone else was like me and didn't know. Which at the way shipping fees are going thats a good deal.

 

[rimfire22lr]

I finally shoot my T1x from a bench on paper. Windy day but at 50 yards with Prime semi-auto, I shot several groups in the .4xx to.2xx range- 5-shot groups. More importantly, every shot was easily explained by the wind flags. Rifle is bedded into a GRS Sporter stock, 30MOA 419 rail, SWFA SS 12x42 MIL/MIL. I love it.

 

[DTJB]

found this over on rimfire central and wanted to try it out, can someone verify if I’ve scored it correctly? Anywho it was my first day to play with the Tikka and it is performing as good as I expected I could repeatedly print 3/8”-1/2” groups at 50yds with CCI sv. That being said I shot some Aguila sub sonic stuff and the difference between the two was substantial. Where I live there are limited varieties of .22lr and I’m going to have to order some if I want something other than the run of the mill CCI/Remington/Federal/Winchester pills... anyone have a suggestion of something that stands to be a little more accurate that I could order and if so, do you also know where I could order it... I looked at some options from buds gun shop which is localish if you consider a 2hr drive local and to ship it to the house was going to run me more than the price of the ammunition to start with something like $10 or $15 shipping for $10 or $15 worth of .22
Suppose I’m a sucker for long posts

 

[Eoddave27]

The best mid priced ammo I have found for my Tikka is Eley Contact. It shoots that fantastic. Groups are all typically under 3/8” at 50. My sons T1x shoots the Eley very well also but loves the SK standard plus or Pistol Match as well.

 

[Funcpottr]

@DTJB have you tried target sports usa for ammo? Get prime and shipping is always free.

 

[meestermeetch]

Gents, I took the plunge. I bought the last T1X that Bass Pro had in Texas. Hurray Christmas money.

This is a long post, I apologize, I did my best to be articulate, use good grammar and spelling. Questions are scattered throughout, I can reformat as needed but this is how my brain communicates.

My plan from page 58 has changed slightly.

The biggest change is I am going to drop my Viper PST Gen2 in when the rail arrives, I can't justify getting one of my MK5s parralaxed at 25, the cost, wait time and having a limited use $2k scope isn't in the cards right now, plus NX8s are coming and that might get me to move from Leupold to Nightforce. On the PST Gen2 does anyone know how to set the zero stops to "dial under" the zero like .5mils like I can on a MK5? Given I may need that depending on where I zero, more on that below.

I have an Area 419 20MOA rail inbound, I purchased some 1.26" height 30mm vortex rings so the height over bore will be the same as my centerfire and eye relief seems to be pretty similar between the scopes. As someone above mentioned I got a Bravo in grey ($WAG) inbound with free holiday shipping. My Spectre 2 threaded on good, particularly after I cleaned it. Still shorter than my centerfire match rifle. LOL

I am undecided on doing a bolt handle, shroud, and trigger spring. The trigger spring will be decided when I get to run the gun. The bolt will get decided when I get it in the Bravo. However I tried to take the bolt handle off, (thinking about the resin casting option from many pages ago) but it was ON THERE, like torquing my Allen wrench. Is there something I am missing? Also, what's the point in replacing the shroud? Looking cool and burning money?

I am building up a supply of rimfire ammo to test, fairly optimistic that most things will shot well. What is the best place to buy a wide range of .22lr at once, specifically Lapua and SK?

When load testing for my centerfire match gun, I base it more on ES numbers than group size, since in PRS an MOA rifle is plenty, and wide ESs are more likely to screw you at distance. In NRL22 matches, is this not the right approach? Also, do rimfire barrels "speed up" like there centerfire counterparts, if so, when? Also how much does the suppressor change point of impact, given that .22s grime up cans, does it change as the round count gets higher?

What distance do you zero your NRL22 rifles at? I am thinking 25 or 50, however per my ballistic calculator (geoballistics) seems like 35 might actually make the most since and have everything dial up, no near/far zero to deal with. Is there a preferred ballistic calculator or anything I need to be aware of around G7 variances when setting up the T1X profile?

Is beretta still running a promotion on the magazines?

How are you guys cleaning the barrels on these? I am a bore snake believe, however I know that a sin in some circles...

Finally, can anyone supply me a picture of the bottom of a T1x bravo? A friend and I built the spigot and ARCA rail on my match gun and I want to do the same on my tikka, however it seems the hole pattern isn't *identical* particularly at the magwell.

Thank you in advance for your response and reading all of that!

MM

 

[LV Precision]

Here's a couple of my T1x. Specs as follows:

• Stock barrel and trigger
• KRG Bravo for T1x
• Area 419 30 MOA rail
• Vortex Viper PST Gen II 5-25 EBR-2D FFP MRAD
• Vortex Precision Matched Rings 0.97"
• Vortex bubble level
• Optic throw lever from Amazon ("breakaway nylon coaster")
• Sterk pineapple bolt handle
• Harris 6-9" bipod (w/ KNW pod-lock, Really Right Stuff Arca/Picatinny adapter)
• Short Action Precision extra magazine holder
• Anti-slip cheekrest pad from Home Depot

Rifle is zeroed at 25 yards, with sub-MOA groups using SK Standard+ at ~1069 fps, MOA-groups with CCI SV @ ~1050 fps. Using Strelok Pro for my ballistics calculator, although the Hornady 4DOF app also gives really similar charts.

 

[Yoda_Flair]

Gents, I took the plunge. I bought the last T1X that Bass Pro had in Texas. Hurray Christmas money.

This is a long post, I apologize, I did my best to be articulate, use good grammar and spelling. Questions are scattered throughout, I can reformat as needed but this is how my brain communicates.

My plan from page 58 has changed slightly.

The biggest change is I am going to drop my Viper PST Gen2 in when the rail arrives, I can't justify getting one of my MK5s parralaxed at 25, the cost, wait time and having a limited use $2k scope isn't in the cards right now, plus NX8s are coming and that might get me to move from Leupold to Nightforce. On the PST Gen2 does anyone know how to set the zero stops to "dial under" the zero like .5mils like I can on a MK5? Given I may need that depending on where I zero, more on that below.

I have an Area 419 20MOA rail inbound, I purchased some 1.26" height 30mm vortex rings so the height over bore will be the same as my centerfire and eye relief seems to be pretty similar between the scopes. As someone above mentioned I got a Bravo in grey ($WAG) inbound with free holiday shipping. My Spectre 2 threaded on good, particularly after I cleaned it. Still shorter than my centerfire match rifle. LOL

I am undecided on doing a bolt handle, shroud, and trigger spring. The trigger spring will be decided when I get to run the gun. The bolt will get decided when I get it in the Bravo. However I tried to take the bolt handle off, (thinking about the resin casting option from many pages ago) but it was ON THERE, like torquing my Allen wrench. Is there something I am missing? Also, what's the point in replacing the shroud? Looking cool and burning money?

I am building up a supply of rimfire ammo to test, fairly optimistic that most things will shot well. What is the best place to buy a wide range of .22lr at once, specifically Lapua and SK?

When load testing for my centerfire match gun, I base it more on ES numbers than group size, since in PRS an MOA rifle is plenty, and wide ESs are more likely to screw you at distance. In NRL22 matches, is this not the right approach? Also, do rimfire barrels "speed up" like there centerfire counterparts, if so, when? Also how much does the suppressor change point of impact, given that .22s grime up cans, does it change as the round count gets higher?

What distance do you zero your NRL22 rifles at? I am thinking 25 or 50, however per my ballistic calculator (geoballistics) seems like 35 might actually make the most since and have everything dial up, no near/far zero to deal with. Is there a preferred ballistic calculator or anything I need to be aware of around G7 variances when setting up the T1X profile?

Is beretta still running a promotion on the magazines?

How are you guys cleaning the barrels on these? I am a bore snake believe, however I know that a sin in some circles...

Finally, can anyone supply me a picture of the bottom of a T1x bravo? A friend and I built the spigot and ARCA rail on my match gun and I want to do the same on my tikka, however it seems the hole pattern isn't *identical* particularly at the magwell.

Thank you in advance for your response and reading all of that!

MM

As of today, Beretta was still running the magazine sale. I bought 2 mags and used the GIFT35 promo code and the mags ended up being just under $21 each

 

[Yoda_Flair]

I bit the bullet and bought a t1x today to run base class in NRL22. I went ahead and ordered the beavertail forend and pistol grip but will eventually end up dropping the action in a KRG bravo or an XLR chassis.

Will be doing so ammo testing this week, but, what are you guys getting the best groups from? I've read that SK standard plus, CCI sv and Norma Match are all really good in the rifle. I will be taking those three along with Center X, Eley Tenex and match along with SK flatnose match, long range match and biathlon. Anyone have any other suggestions?

 

[littlepod]

It really likes anything Eley or SK, the better the ammo the better the groups. I ran SK+ for a long time, and then Eley Target.

 

[littlepod]

As of today, Beretta was still running the magazine sale. I bought 2 mags and used the GIFT35 promo code and the mags ended up being just under $21 each

Thanks that was helpful. I ended up buying 4 more to get free shipping. Will give 2 out to my father in law who just got a T1X.

 

[Tomiboy]

Littlepod, Thanks for the data on your factory barrel!!

I was thinking of getting a brick of CCI SV to use for break in, since it is so inexpensive. How many rounds do you guys think I should put through it before I start serious testing with mid range and better ammo?

Thanks all!

 

[littlepod]

Littlepod, Thanks for the data on your factory barrel!!

I was thinking of getting a brick of CCI SV to use for break in, since it is so inexpensive. How many rounds do you guys think I should put through it before I start serious testing with mid range and better ammo?

Thanks all!

Someone said that break in is good with high velocity ammo. Shoot some mini mag and smooth out any burrs. Then shoot subsonic.

You can do a whole ton of barricade practicing and positional shooting with cheap ammo.

 

[Booner1334]

Someone said that break in is good with high velocity ammo. Shoot some mini mag and smooth out any burrs. Then shoot subsonic.

You can do a whole ton of barricade practicing and positional shooting with cheap ammo.

As far as breaking in a Tikka,
When I got mine, I ran a couple of patches through it to clean it out and then put the bore scope in for a look at the chamber, lead, and barrel. OMG it looked pretty nasty. I did some more cleaning and that improved things a bit but there was still some dark areas, almost like they got blueing into the bore as the metal looked like it was stained with something. I put some JB Bore Paste on a patch with a few drops of Kroil and ran it through the barrel for about 10 passes then put some Kroil on a patch to clean out the bore paste. Wow, what a difference! The barrel was mirror bright. The lead showed just a bit of burrs where the chamber reamer cuts the lands of the rifling and they lay over into the grooves. From past experience, they shouldn't cause much of a problem and the burrs will wear off. The quality of Tikka's workmanship is very good. I haven't really shot the rifle very much yet, and don't expect tp until the weather warms up, but what impresses me is how well it shoots any brand of ammo pretty well. The factory stock is another issue, but I think I'll fix that next spring.

 

[meestermeetch]

I have a few other questions:
1) what distance do you zero at, why?
2) what distance do NRL matches have set up for zeroing? (Obviously matches are 20-100 and further with bonus stages)
3) when selecting ammo do you select based on group size or ES?
4) if no barrel break in, great, does the barrel speed up like a centerfire?
5) how do you clean the barrel: bore snake or rod?
6) how does a suppressor impact POI?
7) does the suppressor griming up overtime make POI shift change, session to session?
8) which ballistic calculator are you using?
9) what settings are you using within the ballistic calculator to get it to line up?
10) any other advice, rifle and optic set up?
11) any advice for someone transitioning from PRS centerfire matches to NRL22 matches to maximize learning, fun and success?

 

[Jefe's Dope]

1. 25 yards. Why not?
2. Usually 50 yards. The only reason to not use a 25 yard zero.
3. Group size.
4. Only found it getting tighter groups. I think I only chrono'd once.
5. What's this cleaning you speak of? Once fouled, no cleaning unless accuracy drops off.
6. For me, not much if at all. Many claim better groups, some have issues.
7. No. And my suppressor was gunked beyond what I should have let it. Probably an easy 3000 rounds.
8. Strelok.
9. The rimfire calculator works well. There's a Center X specific calculator that pretty spot on.
10. 25 yards or less parallax. 5-25, or similar, range seems to be the most popular. 30 MOA rail.
11. I think it will be pretty seamless transition. You might try to find rimfire PRS matches too. Usually stretches distances a bit more than NRL22. Although many NRL22 matches have 'extra' stages that don't count towards the NRL points race. Just take what you have and show up. Shoot and you'll quickly figure out what you need/don't need. Much of your equipment should be usable.

 

[bogeycentral]

Finally gave in over the weekend and ordered one of the Lothar Walther barrels. Evidently they have a JGS match chamber, so it will be interesting to see what it likes and doesn't like. That being said, I am kicking around the idea of building up a 17hmr version too for rat shooting this spring.

 

[Boltman82]

Finally gave in over the weekend and ordered one of the Lothar Walther barrels. Evidently they have a JGS match chamber, so it will be interesting to see what it likes and doesn't like. That being said, I am kicking around the idea of building up a 17hmr version too for rat shooting this spring.

I'm looking forward to hearing about the barrel, please keep us posted!

 

[ilpanther88]

From base to open

 

[DTJB]

just installed the Elay precision spring in my t1x works as it should... opened the hand written envelope and found this post-it... maybe it’s just me but this looks like a personal touch and it’s not something I’m accustomed to seeing when making an online purchase... I’m a big fan, just wanted to share I thought it was cool

 

[chanrobi]

Who has the lowest stack height scope base with 20/30 MOA?

Just got the Tikka and basically I want to have my scope mounted as close as possible to the top of the barrel... Using a 50mm scope, 30mm tube.

MDT 20 MOA pic rail?
Other?

 

[Jefe's Dope]

I have the Area 419 30 MOA rail using Vortex Pro low. It's about as close as possible.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

 

[chanrobi]

Thanks for that - anyone try running iron sights on this rig?

I'm thinking https://williamsgunsight.com/product/williams-5d-ag/

For the rear, but what about the front?

 

[Paul_T]

Thanks for that - anyone try running iron sights on this rig?

I'm thinking https://williamsgunsight.com/product/williams-5d-ag/

For the rear, but what about the front?

I run a Williams 5D on my 30-30, great rear peep.

Figure you'll have to get one of their front ramps and sweat it on the barrel....? That or get it drilled/tapped for a screw on ramp

FYI barrel diameter at front is 0.728"

 

[captainmorgan460]

Finally got a chance to get this thing out to get ready for NRL22 base class. Vortex Diamondback Tactical 6-24 scope, Area 419 15 MOA rail, Triad Tactical thing and magpul bipod. 19 degrees, about 3 mph wind left to right. Overall fairly promising on groups at 50 yards. Lapua and Federal Match looked the best. A few good groups with CCI greendot too. SK rifle match looked good right away but opened up as I shot it more. Really nothing shot really bad. Ejection right away was pretty embarrassing. Bent the ejector paper clip out a little more and it improved. Seems like a pretty shit design right there. Did they run out of time before release for production or what? Next is to move it out to 100 see what ammo performs.

 

[meestermeetch]

Nice. I am waiting on an area 419 rail then will be doing a whole lot of ammo testing. Cautiously optimistic it will shoot most ammo well. What targets are you using? Lame question but I like the layout.

What are you doing around temp sensitivity? My understanding (limited) is that the temp particularly the cold will drastically change MV. Please correct if I am mistaken.

 

[captainmorgan460]

bulzi-6.pdf

drive.google.com

Target was on the 6x5 thread here. There was another one on there I liked a little better but couldn't get the link to work. That link should work for this one. I'm curious as it warms up how the consistency compares.

 

[chanrobi]

Finally got a chance to get this thing out to get ready for NRL22 base class. Vortex Diamondback Tactical 6-24 scope, Area 419 15 MOA rail, Triad Tactical thing and magpul bipod. 19 degrees, about 3 mph wind left to right. Overall fairly promising on groups at 50 yards. Lapua and Federal Match looked the best. A few good groups with CCI greendot too. SK rifle match looked good right away but opened up as I shot it more. Really nothing shot really bad. Ejection right away was pretty embarrassing. Bent the ejector paper clip out a little more and it improved. Seems like a pretty shit design right there. Did they run out of time before release for production or what? Next is to move it out to 100 see what ammo performs.

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What buttstock pad you running there?

 

[captainmorgan460]

What buttstock pad you running there?

Triad Stock Pad

triadtactical.com

Triad Tactical. (Link above) Feels pretty good actually. I like the design. It was really slippery on the plastic stock at first as far as moving around. I made a couple wraps of camo form below it and that helped a ton.

 

[DROWN]

Happy new year. Spent xmas holiday slowly digesting the 64 pages of this thread. Finally ordered a T1X in .22 cal. Have an Area 419 rail and Vortex Viper scope on the way, some Seekins rings and a Bravo for it coming a well. It will be the smaller caliber sister to a 6.5 Creedmor Tikka T3X CTR also in a Bravo with a same scope and ring setup that I have been configuring over the last few months. Picked up some spare mags from Beretta over the holiday sale as well. Should be all setup sometime next week. New member here, much to learn. This is going to be a fun year. Now if only I can find another couple Sterk handles.

 

[Eoddave27]

Nice. I am waiting on an area 419 rail then will be doing a whole lot of ammo testing. Cautiously optimistic it will shoot most ammo well. What targets are you using? Lame question but I like the layout.

What are you doing around temp sensitivity? My understanding (limited) is that the temp particularly the cold will drastically change MV. Please correct if I am mistaken.

I have noticed a pretty drastic difference in ammo MV with the Eley I use. In the summer I use Eley contact and get around 1090 FPS. In the winter I have to use the supersonic version of the same ammo Eley Force together same MV. If I keep using the Contact my MV drops off to around 1010-1020 FPS. I have heard that some of the biathlon versions of ammo are more stable in the cold but I just switch back and forth based on temperature.

 

[raven88]

Here's a couple of my T1x. Specs as follows:

• Stock barrel and trigger
• KRG Bravo for T1x
• Area 419 30 MOA rail
• Vortex Viper PST Gen II 5-25 EBR-2D FFP MRAD
• Vortex Precision Matched Rings 0.97"
• Vortex bubble level
• Optic throw lever from Amazon ("breakaway nylon coaster")
• Sterk pineapple bolt handle
• Harris 6-9" bipod (w/ KNW pod-lock, Really Right Stuff Arca/Picatinny adapter)
• Short Action Precision extra magazine holder
• Anti-slip cheekrest pad from Home Depot

Rifle is zeroed at 25 yards, with sub-MOA groups using SK Standard+ at ~1069 fps, MOA-groups with CCI SV @ ~1050 fps. Using Strelok Pro for my ballistics calculator, although the Hornady 4DOF app also gives really similar charts.

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Just sayin....great looking rig!

 

[Woodhall jr]

Any reason I can’t run the T1x factory bottom metal in a cdi inlet stock? Fit isn’t perfect but seems to feed fine.

 

[Paul_T]

That fit looks good enough to me. I'd run it

 

[chanrobi]

Anyone have a set of calipers can help me out?

I'm trying to figure out what the stock outside barrel diameter is for the first 4.5" to the threaded end. Is it less than 0.765" at the widest point?

 

[Woodhall jr]

Anyone have a set of calipers can help me out?

I'm trying to figure out what the stock outside barrel diameter is for the first 4.5" to the threaded end. Is it less than 0.765" at the widest point?

4.5 inches from the action is .730. It’s .730 the whole way to the thread protector from there.

 

[Kisssofdeath]

New IBI barrel with Win 52D match chamber and custom .700" shank should be here tomorrow. Looking forward to a great shootout between the Tikka with IBI, Tikka factory, Bergara B-14R, Sako P94S Range, Anschutz 1710 and 1712.

I will try to determine what ammo shoots best in each rifle and then shoot the best ammo for each rifle and have the head to head shootout on IR50/50 targets.

 

[Frankr]

New IBI barrel with Win 52D match chamber and custom .700" shank should be here tomorrow. Looking forward to a great shootout between the Tikka with IBI, Tikka factory, Bergara B-14R, Sako P94S Range, Anschutz 1710 and 1712.

I will try to determine what ammo shoots best in each rifle and then shoot the best ammo for each rifle and have the head to head shootout on IR50/50 targets.

You need some CZ love in there with the prefit Proof, bartlien (spelling?), Lothar Walther, Lilja .
That would be an awesome test across all mfg’ers to really see how they stack up even with aftermarket barrels

 

[Kisssofdeath]

Frankr, I know, I wish I had one. If someone wanted to lend me one I'd go that route for testing. Early next year I plan on getting a Krieger barrel for the 457 and sending it all to Mark Penrod for installation. I did shoot 500 rounds through the B-14R today, looks for the range report later on in a new thread.