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Ukraine war Bullshit.

Will see what gives

But i reckon Putin will want to draw it out till Kursk is moped up and Ukraine looses all leverage.

The Gas pipe op seems to have worked well as rout followed.

Would be interesting to know how it was technicaly done , as its and underground gas pipe that was active a month ago .We have seen they have sealed it with some sort of inflatable bags so that it coud be cut and vented from one side .


That was an interesting move, popping up behind their lines had to be a surprise.

Its hard to speculate anything right now. Guess we will find out soon enough.
 
i think zelensky's bullshit has backfired.
russians are not about to give up the advantage they took with the pipeline operation.
he should have agreed to a ceasefire sooner...
or not shut down that pipeline that was used to deliver gas until recently.
maybe they might agree once kursk is fully liberated.

i suspect zelenky was hoping to save some of the crack troops in kursk. too late asshole.


Good, we all heard zelinsky say he didnt want a ceasefire.
 
Will see what gives

But i reckon Putin will want to draw it out till Kursk is moped up and Ukraine looses all leverage.

The Gas pipe op seems to have worked well as rout followed.

Would be interesting to know how it was technicaly done , as its an underground gas pipe that was active pumping gas a month ago .They have sealed it with some sort of inflatable bags and bulkhead welded in place so that it pipe could be cut and vented from one side and looking the video venting holes were cut in intervals , seems to have taken quite some effort to get 15km of pipe breathable enough to get 800 soldiers trough



but,but the Russians have very low morale,they have shitty gear,poor leadership and are incompetent!
 
Its a repeat stream, but was released today.


he's right about at least one thing...
the leaders in the eu don't want to give up and lose face with ongoing election seasons.
they would look like ignorant fools that paid for the futile sacrifice of brave ukrainians in a manufactured conflict (which they are).
trump is the only one of the involved leaders that were not part of this from the start of the war.
he's the only one with a free opinion and so he is the only one that wants to consider peace.

also wants to invite american mining companies to exploit resources in russia.
he wants to build hydro power plants to feed the beast (like aluminum processing) if there is interest.
 
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insanity of the 1st magnitude! exactly which "non NATO" partner could,much less would,send a military expedition to Ukraine? they would drive Russia back to the start line? more 1st magnitude insanity and just plain not true. this absolutely = ground forces besides air and space based intel.
basically an invasion of territory that Russia thinks it owns,controls now and has been Russian with Russian speakers the majority for centuries. if any countries could be talked (bribed) into such action it would require even more and deeper us involvement. it wouldn't come close to success,but if it did,you get trapped rat syndrome from an outfit that has 6K + nucs. no winner there.
yes Russia got smacked early on. they seem to have figured it out and adapted. as an aside,i don't think our military retards have accepted the fact that much has changed since '22. the question of is Putin advancing slowly on purpose or because he can't do otherwise is a debate that nobody here has an answer to,despite many here thinking they are experts on the subject.
the bottom line is we have no overriding national interest in Ukraine,E.Europe or anywhere in Europe. the whole affair is nothing more than a money laundering scam by our MIC,self aggrandizing by W.Euro elites and our neocons,a land grab by Black Rock funded by US taxpayers sacrificing Ukraine blood,infrastructure and land to keep it going.
you still provide no reason why we SHOULD be doing any of this other than to control Putin and Russia. protect us? from what? familiar with the Atlantic ocean? it's still there,still a long way from Russia. missiles can cross it either way but occupiers gotta ride over it on something. with a strong DEFENSE we have no need to be involved in proxy or of choice wars in Europe. we can't mount effective,affordable offense against Russia or China. neither can they going this way.
There are several non-NATO air forces that have combat power that would pimp-slap Russia around like a rag doll quite easily. They have air forces far more powerful than the UK or Germany. It’s just that most people have no clue about modern force structures, current operational platforms, combat capabilities, and how well they are plugged-into US arms programs.

At least one of these nations has territorial disputes with Russia dating back generations, and has defeated Russia in the past with embarrassing overmatch.

The US committed to helping secure Ukraine from aggression in exchange for Ukraine surrendering her nukes and strategic nuclear-delivery systems (included Tu-160s). Russia violated this agreement multiple times under the leadership of Vladimir wannabe Tsar Putin, who could have used his resources to build up Russian infrastructure instead of murdering people at a scale not seen since WWII.

A lot of you guys have been corrupted successfully by Russian propaganda, to the extent that a nation defending itself from invasion is blamed for being attacked, civilians murdered for 3 years, refugee crisis created, while Putin is placed on a pedestal or as a victim.

Remember that CIA and USAID were co-opted by the Soviets out of the gate. They even used one of the early Russian double agents to recruit a Navy officer who later became Director under Carter. This dates way back before any of you were paying attention, and you’re decades-late trying to figure it all out.
 
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Good, we all heard zelinsky say he didnt want a ceasefire.
Z doesn't have the cards, DJT was correct on this, so why should Putin stop his aggression or give his enemy a chance to catch their breath?
Beside who has the forces or willingness to dive in on Uke side? No one, EU talking smack , they aren't going to do a damn thing.
Stop sending American money and arms there.
 
he's right about at least one thing...
the leaders in the eu don't want to give up and lose face with ongoing election seasons.
they would look like ignorant fools that paid for the futile sacrifice of brave ukrainians in a manufactured conflict (which they are).
trump is the only one of the involved leaders that were not part of this from the start of the war.
he's the only one with a free opinion and so he is the only one that wants to consider peace.

also wants to invite american mining companies to exploit resources in russia.
he wants to build hydro power plants to feed the beast (like aluminum processing) if there is interest.
I think Russia, would welcome USA (and EU)companies working with them in these areas and others not mentioned . But it brings to mind Trumps opinion on Nord, he wanted it stopped. And has been fairly vocal about it and his part in pressing the Germans to back away. Soo ehh if it could actually come to fruition

Still early in this , we will see what shakes down.

First gotta stop trying to destroy one another.
 
I think Russia, would welcome USA (and EU)companies working with them in these areas and others not mentioned . But it brings to mind Trumps opinion on Nord, he wanted it stopped. And has been fairly vocal about it and his part in pressing the Germans to back away. Soo ehh if it could actually come to fruition

Still early in this , we will see what shakes down.

First gotta stop trying to destroy one another.
i think i remember he had encouraged more lng terminal capacity and wanted america to benefit instead of russians.
in light of the fact that we spend hundreds of billions to defend europe against "russia", it seems logical to limit dependence on a potential rival,
and as it turns out, he was right, and europe is buying enough russian gas, they are actually funding both sides of the conflict.
 
i think i remember he had encouraged more lng terminal capacity and wanted america to benefit instead of russians.
in light of the fact that we spend hundreds of billions to defend europe against "russia", it seems logical to limit dependence on a potential rival,
and as it turns out, he was right, and europe is buying enough russian gas, they are actually funding both sides of the conflict.
It’s certainly interesting watching Europeans, especially Germans, criticizing Trump when it was they who were actively engaged in becoming more reliant on Russian oil and NG during Trump’s 1st term.

Trump literally had to threaten Germany with placing them on the US NDAA in 2019 to get them to abandon Putin’s Nordstream 2 pipeline.

What’s the first thing Biden’s handlers had him do on Day 1 in the Oval Office?

Cancel Keystone XL Pipeline (which would have benefitted the US and Canada and lowered energy costs for both of us)

Then in May of 2021:
Green-light Putin’s Nordstream 2 pipeline, reversing Trump’s strategic policies that were designed to wean Europe off of Russian energy dependence.

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it did create some probs for the panzer arm according to many panzer troop memoirs. they were useful and could be made in huge #s. the Sherman had some easy to set on fire problems. the tiger was lethal but too heavy for a lot of locations. panther had bad transmission. jap tanks were tinker toys when fighting Russians in '45. pnz 1 & 2 somewhat same. seems Italian tanks were usable but but not many produced. don't recall comments on JS series or Brit tanks. i'm sure they weren't trouble free. doubt any weapon system tool is perfect,can't think of any that were/are.
Panzer1 was never meant to fight, panzer 2 was a reconnaissance tank, panzer 3 was good but had little development options, panzer 4 was good, Panther had issues that were mainly slave labour and alloy shortage related than bad design, tiger had better soft ground performance than a lot of tanks, anywhere a normal person could stand on one foot would be safe to drive. King tiger was pushing the limit of a lot of aspects in terms of overall weight but ground pressure was good, we have German reports of King Tigers recovering panzer 4s and subsequently traversing the terrain where they were stuck.

T-34 76 was a little under gunned plus a 2 man turret, soviets knew about the issues but weren't planning on getting into a war with the Germans so soon, T-34 85 was more in the L48 class of guns than the long 75s or kwk 88 but still a decent tank. IS-2 uses 2 piece ammunition of large enough size that any sort of hit was bad, no real novel aspects just a big slow firing gun. IS-2 was relative specialist piece of equipment and was used as such.

M4 was an ok tank for 1942, pity time moved forward. M24 was a needed upgrade to the M3/5, M26 was in no way clearly better than the Tiger 1 that came out three years before.

Cromwell, good tank that finally had an overly powerful engine in the form of the Rolls-Royce Meteor, allowed the British to almost double the frontal armour without the need to even remove the engine limiter. Comet was decent with it's bastardised 77mm gun that could actually fire APDS accurately. Churchill ended the with 150mm frontal armour and was a very survivalable, made for infantry support which it did well, somewhat slow but the rate of the allied advance never outstripped it's unimpressive pace, by most accounts it had phenomenal cross country and hill climbing abilities and was the first tank that could neutral turn.

No notable Japanese tanks, apart from the Type 95 that gave M4s way more trouble on Tarawa than they had any right to. Italians could only make armour plate for tanks in small sections despite making effective warships, hence their blocky, riveted nature.
 
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There are several non-NATO air forces that have combat power that would pimp-slap Russia around like a rag doll quite easily. They have air forces far more powerful than the UK or Germany. It’s just that most people have no clue about modern force structures, current operational platforms, combat capabilities, and how well they are plugged-into US arms programs.
Please name them.

I obviously fall into the 'most people have no clue' category.
 
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There are several non-NATO air forces that have combat power that would pimp-slap Russia around like a rag doll quite easily. They have air forces far more powerful than the UK or Germany. It’s just that most people have no clue about modern force structures, current operational platforms, combat capabilities, and how well they are plugged-into US arms programs.

At least one of these nations has territorial disputes with Russia dating back generations, and has defeated Russia in the past with embarrassing overmatch.

The US committed to helping secure Ukraine from aggression in exchange for Ukraine surrendering her nukes and strategic nuclear-delivery systems (included Tu-160s). Russia violated this agreement multiple times under the leadership of Vladimir wannabe Tsar Putin, who could have used his resources to build up Russian infrastructure instead of murdering people at a scale not seen since WWII.

A lot of you guys have been corrupted successfully by Russian propaganda, to the extent that a nation defending itself from invasion is blamed for being attacked, civilians murdered for 3 years, refugee crisis created, while Putin is placed on a pedestal or as a victim.

Remember that CIA and USAID were co-opted by the Soviets out of the gate. They even used one of the early Russian double agents to recruit a Navy officer who later became Director under Carter. This dates way back before any of you were paying attention, and you’re decades-late trying to figure it all out.
PROPAGANDA WARNING ^^^^^^ WARNING ⚠️
 
i think i remember he had encouraged more lng terminal capacity and wanted america to benefit instead of russians.
in light of the fact that we spend hundreds of billions to defend europe against "russia", it seems logical to limit dependence on a potential rival,
and as it turns out, he was right, and europe is buying enough russian gas, they are actually funding both sides of the conflict.
But the majority of that money doesn't go into funding the Government or directly funding the war. Yes there are places the Gov makes $ like land lease deals on exploration and production rigs, taxes etc. But most of the profits are going to the companies, at least on the western side.

On the Russian side as it is majority state owned Gazprom is likely pushing a good bit of $ back into the Government.

Which sheds some light on why western investment is a bit of an issue.

Russia would have to be seen as not an enemy. Which is something I personally would like to see, not attempting to demonize them. I'd personally rather good relations with Russia than Ukraine(though I would like to see both), we stand to gain more in the long term. Then attempting this idiotic move in Ukraine.
 
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am I the only one who wants nato to crumble and the u.s. enter in an alliance with Russia, India, Hungary, Poland, and a few others.
I may be the only one, idk, but I think it'd be better than the bullshit we got going on now.

Normalizing relations with Russia should be a no-brainer.

And don't forget the mediterranean countries. The Italians, Spanish and Greeks aren't completely insane (yet). There's a steady stream of mudscum "refugee" boats heading to italian and greek beaches every day, sending those to the bottom of the ocean would be doing europe a favor.

The problem is we don't really have the political will to do what's right. Too many liberals, globalists and neocons who want refugees from shithole countries, endless wars, Putin makes a good bogeyman for their purposes too.
 
A lot of you guys have been corrupted successfully by Russian propaganda...

Lots and lots of Loyal Komrades on here.

That's actually what sparked my interest in this place.

It's so BIZARRE, and so incredibly DELISH to see the propaganda that I casually-monitor-for-fun get repeated and seconded by folks who actually fell for it.

It was a VERY short time ago in this country when spouting Commie talking points in the gun community was physically dangerous.
 
Lots and lots of Loyal Komrades on here.

That's actually what sparked my interest in this place.

It's so BIZARRE, and so incredibly DELISH to see the propaganda that I casually-monitor-for-fun get repeated and seconded by folks who actually fell for it.

It was a VERY short time ago in this country when spouting Commie talking points in the gun community was physically dangerous.
It's a good thing you are here to set everybody straight.
 

if this will open it should stir the pot here,esp amongst the Z lovers. i sometimes doubt his reports on casualties and ongoing Russian progress and plans. but,his take on what US should do is a no brainer. ie bring everything back and defend America. his take on the dangers originating in Mexico can't be doubted by anyone paying attention. been going on since before WW1 at least. Pancho Villa ring a bell along with the recent invasion ? interesting thought is what happens if we can cut off most drug imports and threaten or slash cartel profits. food for thought. if he is truthful about cartel armaments,the BP and police will in fact be unable to control or defeat them. thanks Zelensky and you MIC people.
prev posts he's done also focus on the elites that control America and coming economic armageddon in line with Tucker's take,which both seem pretty clear.
 
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if this will open it should stir the pot here,esp amongst the Z lovers. i sometimes doubt his reports on casualties and ongoing Russian progress and plans. but,his take on what US should do is a no brainer. ie bring everything back and defend America. his take on the dangers originating in Mexico can't be doubted by anyone paying attention. been going on since before WW1 at least. Pancho Villa ring a bell along with the recent invasion ? interesting thought is what happens if we can cut off most drug imports and threaten or slash cartel profits. food for thought. if he is truthful about cartel armaments,the BP and police will in fact be unable to control or defeat them. thanks Zelensky and you MIC people.
prev posts he's done also focus on the elites that control America and coming economic armageddon in line with Tucker's take,which both seem pretty clear.
On of the things you really have to take pause with when analyzing Tucker Carlson is his ignorance of foreign affairs, contrasted with the fact that his father was eyeball-deep in covert actions by the US.

He also tried to join the CIA, but was denied because he couldn’t demonstrate cocaine-free blood sample to the Agency over the prior 18 months.

He grew up as part of the 1%, so he never needed to work for a living. Both of his mothers were heiresses to vast fortunes, and his dad was tied-in with banking, intelligence, media, and the diplomatic community. Dick Carlson used to run Voice of America and Radio Free Cuba.

iu


Dick Carlson worked in all of those fields during his career. His life story is absolutely bonkers if you haven’t heard it.

Tucker is decades-late to the party of being aware of the corruption within the US government and media, per his own claims.

He should have been far more-informed with the foreign travel and access to the inner sanctum of decision-makers. To me, I have to question whether or not it’s an act at this point. The fact he didn’t bring up the Holodomor during the Putin interview was a gross error, for example, when Putin painted the history of Russia and Ukraine.
 
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Lots and lots of Loyal Komrades on here.

That's actually what sparked my interest in this place.

It's so BIZARRE, and so incredibly DELISH to see the propaganda that I casually-monitor-for-fun get repeated and seconded by folks who actually fell for it.

It was a VERY short time ago in this country when spouting Commie talking points in the gun community was physically dangerous.
And yet, here you are, risking life & limb.
 
There are several non-NATO air forces that have combat power that would pimp-slap Russia around like a rag doll quite easily. They have air forces far more powerful than the UK or Germany. It’s just that most people have no clue about modern force structures, current operational platforms, combat capabilities, and how well they are plugged-into US arms programs.

At least one of these nations has territorial disputes with Russia dating back generations, and has defeated Russia in the past with embarrassing overmatch.

The US committed to helping secure Ukraine from aggression in exchange for Ukraine surrendering her nukes and strategic nuclear-delivery systems (included Tu-160s). Russia violated this agreement multiple times under the leadership of Vladimir wannabe Tsar Putin, who could have used his resources to build up Russian infrastructure instead of murdering people at a scale not seen since WWII.

A lot of you guys have been corrupted successfully by Russian propaganda, to the extent that a nation defending itself from invasion is blamed for being attacked, civilians murdered for 3 years, refugee crisis created, while Putin is placed on a pedestal or as a victim.

Remember that CIA and USAID were co-opted by the Soviets out of the gate. They even used one of the early Russian double agents to recruit a Navy officer who later became Director under Carter. This dates way back before any of you were paying attention, and you’re decades-late trying to figure it all out.
Broseph Smith has spoken everyone, your opinions are nullified
 
Even if we assume Russia is a noble, trustworthy, upright state, there isn’t much to offer any trade or meaningful relations between Russia and the US because it’s such a poor, isolated, frozen, land-locked nation effectively. This has always been their dilemma.

Now that Putin demonstrated that the Russian military is incapable of taking significant ground in a nation they had seeded with thousands of moles, a lot of people will not take them seriously from a military standpoint.

Smaller border nations will still worry, and rightfully-so, but will industrialized nations with large populations who are separated from Russia by other countries?

The Europeans talk a good game, but with no action. It’s pretty much too late for them, since they failed to invest in advanced aerospace technology 30-40 years ago and let the US cover that market firmly.
 
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It’s hilarious y’all argue with this kalashnicunt. He posted a handful of times from late 2009 till mid 2011 primarily in the tech sections and radio silence, then magically reappeared in Jan 2024 posting almost exclusively in political threads with the majority since January 2025.

Here he is putting the bait out
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On of the things you really have to take pause with when analyzing Tucker Carlson is his ignorance of foreign affairs, contrasted with the fact that his father was eyeball-deep in covert actions by the US.

He also tried to join the CIA, but was denied because he couldn’t demonstrate cocaine-free blood sample to the Agency over the prior 18 months.

He grew up as part of the 1%, so he never needed to work for a living. Both of his mothers were heiresses to vast fortunes, and his dad was tied-in with banking, intelligence, media, and the diplomatic community. Dick Carlson used to run Voice of America and Radio Free Cuba.

iu


Dick Carlson worked in all of those fields during his career. His life story is absolutely bonkers if you haven’t heard it.

Tucker is decades-late to the party of being aware of the corruption within the US government and media, per his own claims.

He should have been far more-informed with the foreign travel and access to the inner sanctum of decision-makers. To me, I have to question whether or not it’s an act at this point. The fact he didn’t bring up the Holodomor during the Putin interview was a gross error, for example, when Putin painted the history of Russia and Ukraine.
he was a journalist doing a big scoop. yes,likely a big ratings boost attempt. bringing up the holodor would be like grilling Trump about Stormy Daniels or Obama about Larry Sinclair during an interview. not likely productive. if he is ignorant,as you say,guess he has no access to people who are informed. but,it is good to have someone on here who is knowledgeable about and has access to all the deepest information extant. still haven't said why you think we should be doing what we are doing in Ukraine. and,how spending ?? billions doing whatever it is is a good investment in America's present and future interest and security. my bet is you are unable to cobble together any justification beyond what the Lindsey Graham types spew. you have never said why you think spending 60+ billion on Ukraine is better than spending it here to fix some of the broken stuff we have. in my ignorant view,all that has done is help secure Black Rock's investment there,arm the cartels and hamas,profit our MIC and let Z and his wife and buds buy a lot of expensive toys and homes. hasn't done much for the Ukrainian people who are victims no matter who gets the blame for this mess.
 
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Even if we assume Russia is a noble, trustworthy, upright state, there isn’t much to offer any trade or meaningful relations between Russia and the US because it’s such a poor, isolated, frozen, land-locked nation effectively. This has always been their dilemma.

Now that Putin demonstrated that the Russian military is incapable of taking significant ground in a nation they had seeded with thousands of moles, a lot of people will not take them seriously from a military standpoint.

Smaller border nations will still worry, and rightfully-so, but will industrialized nations with large populations who are separated from Russia by other countries?

The Europeans talk a good game, but with no action. It’s pretty much too late for them, since they failed to invest in advanced aerospace technology 30-40 years ago and let the US cover that market firmly.

Theres trade to be had in raw materials and various commercial items but yes, Russia being a frozen alcoholic wasteland isn’t entirely an exaggeration.

This is also why I don’t take the pro or anti Russia propaganda seriously. The idea that Russia is some kind of all powerful diabolical enemy that can conquer Europe or engineer elections is nuts.
 
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Even if we assume Russia is a noble, trustworthy, upright state, there isn’t much to offer any trade or meaningful relations between Russia and the US because it’s such a poor, isolated, frozen, land-locked nation effectively. This has always been their dilemma.

Now that Putin demonstrated that the Russian military is incapable of taking significant ground in a nation they had seeded with thousands of moles, a lot of people will not take them seriously from a military standpoint.

Smaller border nations will still worry, and rightfully-so, but will industrialized nations with large populations who are separated from Russia by other countries?

The Europeans talk a good game, but with no action. It’s pretty much too late for them, since they failed to invest in advanced aerospace technology 30-40 years ago and let the US cover that market firmly.
Do you by chance follow Joel Skaouson?