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Union upset over Keystone Pipeline cancellation
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AND.... easy financing.
How many of the $80K Raptors would they sell if you had to plunk down $80K at signing?
I think we lost the originality of this thread. Regardless of your feelings about unions, there are real people who are losing their jobs at the swipe of Biden's pen. These could be your neighbors or family members. The fact that he did this to spite Trump is what we need to be mad about.
LOL - calculates ( with inflation adjusted ) to $25,657.99 in 2021 dollars.
I worked with a union steward. Same company, same county but I was out of a non union ops. I asked what their pay was and it was 10% less than what I was making. On top of that their ot was greatly resricted. I pointed this out and they had wrong union negotiate their contract he said.
I asked whos fault that was and he said yeah but we get 13 new uniforms a year.
I pointed out we got fitted uniforms and work boots whenever we wanted, and 100 dollars in gas cards a month, plus a Christmas bonus, and we didnt have an adversarial relationship with managent.
Guy claimed he was conservative, I asked why he trusts and pays democrats to look out for him. Crickets.
I asked whos fault that was and he said yeah but we get 13 new uniforms a year.
I pointed out we got fitted uniforms and work boots whenever we wanted, and 100 dollars in gas cards a month, plus a Christmas bonus, and we didnt have an adversarial relationship with managent.
Guy claimed he was conservative, I asked why he trusts and pays democrats to look out for him. Crickets.
I can tell you who not is upset, John Kerry because the pipe line doesn't effect his jet fuel for his private jet and secondly the motherfucker doesn't need money so he's happy as a clam.
i'd pay that much for a brand new 1968 Chevelle 396 SS.
You are totally full of shit.
I assure you that the unions may have beat the war drums for Biden but the rank and file said fuck you.
Turns out, there are other options.
I have been harassed by the IBEW for over 10 years now. Every time they get a new recruiter he tries and tries. I've gotten very good at telling them to eat a dick.
I start with the questions, then I ask what they're actually doing for me, then I lay out what I have (far better than their package), and I finish it off with "if your locals and heads would quit donating to the Dem party we can talk. Destroying jobs so I can sit on a bench sounds like I'd have to learn how to be a lazy piece of shit."
By the 3rd visit and every one after it's simply the last question. There's never an answer, only a diversion to how much they pay. My favorite thing with the latest guy who shows up at 12:05 every time, just roll up the truck windows and lock the doors. Stare at him like I'm deaf and refuse to talk to him. He's a persistent bastard, see him every week. After I said no the first 10 times you'd think he'd get the hint.
Unions are dead and dying here, have been for a long time. When the kids learn about the Ponzi scheme going on with their pensions, and they see that retirement number go from 20, to 25, to 30 they cut and run. Last few union run jobs I've been on were all 50+ yr old guys, no young ones to pay for their pensions.
thank you. i did not know that. that adds greatly to the conversation. thank you. I guess it was the union bosses who lost their jobs then, not the members. OAN must have gotten the story wrong.
I think you'll find this in most instances. Before I retired, I'd say at least 80-90% were conservative leaning. Some liked the Demwits programs because they gave away money for more jobs.
Same in my company and amongst the union leadership.
I heard on radio last night an interview of those Keystone union leaders with Hanity. He asked point blank who they voted for. Let’s just say the first guy that answered Trump was not very convincing, he stammered around before giving his answer. The rest were more solid with their answers and of corse, they all said Trump. God only knows......
Did you tell those unemployed pipefitter union guys this?
Let's see a list of who has created/brought back more union jobs in the last 4 presidents.
Honest question I'd like to see the numbers.
Private sector btw.
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Honest question I'd like to see the numbers.
Private sector btw.
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This all goes back to shitfags like Warren Buffet and helps put into perspective why these assholes funded Trumps Opposition and tried to get rid of him.
Berkshire Hathaway (Buffet) owns BNSF. Currently much of the oil is sent by train. The Pipeline will put an end to that, killing the value of BNSF.
Has nothing to do with "green" anything. In fact, the pipeline is 100 times greener than a bunch of Diesel trains transporting petro.
Xiden is bought by everyone so thats why he killed the pipeline.
Trump A knew the pipeline was good for the US and didn't give two shits (rightfully so) that it would hurt Buffet. I am sure he tried to petition him and was told to fuck off.
Berkshire Hathaway (Buffet) owns BNSF. Currently much of the oil is sent by train. The Pipeline will put an end to that, killing the value of BNSF.
Has nothing to do with "green" anything. In fact, the pipeline is 100 times greener than a bunch of Diesel trains transporting petro.
Xiden is bought by everyone so thats why he killed the pipeline.
Trump A knew the pipeline was good for the US and didn't give two shits (rightfully so) that it would hurt Buffet. I am sure he tried to petition him and was told to fuck off.
Most pipelines in the field are conservatives. The unions that cover pipeline work are much different than at factories. If you can't do the job, you're gone. I think it's 3 bad welds and the welders are gone. If the operators can't be proficient they're gone. Think of these unions more of a hiring hall that sets the wage, finds work and takes care of pension and healthcare
Inmo, why xiden did this (if he can actually think for himself), was....A) make money for W.B., 2) appease the Native Tribes.
You are absolutely correct, pipelines are efficient and cost effective. They just aren't "pretty". Mac
Few people know what hiring hall is or how it works.
The "Company" Calls you out for a job.
You take the call and report for work.
At anytime after you report for work "The Company" can lay you off.
So in a nutshell.
If you are a hiring hall bargaining agent employee best have yourself square or you're not going to make a living.
Of course if you're a "Public Sector Union Bargaining Agent Employee" you can pretty much do anything you want and not get fired.
The "Company" Calls you out for a job.
You take the call and report for work.
At anytime after you report for work "The Company" can lay you off.
So in a nutshell.
If you are a hiring hall bargaining agent employee best have yourself square or you're not going to make a living.
Of course if you're a "Public Sector Union Bargaining Agent Employee" you can pretty much do anything you want and not get fired.
Who do you think funds the democrat campagns as well as funding the Never /Anti Trumper right wing groups such as the Lincholn Project (which is funded by communists and left wing billionaires in addition to being run by a man who fucks little boys). Faggots like Warren Buffet and the Waltons and all the other "conservatives" who would sell this country out to the highest bidder.
Tribes could give 2 fucks about the environment. Their sole purpose for existence is to extort money. The pipeline actualy diverted from their reservation so they didn't have to get paid off, which is why they were so pissed. You could put a George A Custer amusement park on any reservation if you pay enough money. Wife works for a tribe, trust me shits a joke. Nothing but whores open to the highest bidder.
What the hell is this world coming to??? I actually agree with CrabsandFootball for once. He’s absolutely right, the oil is still going to come, just by much less efficient and much less green methods. It’s all about money and who’s bought off. Has nothing to do with the environment.
That would really help out with SWPPP permitting by locking up soils and keeping dust down. Let's do it, I'm psyched
Look at the price of oil as well. Their masters the Saudis, Russians, Iranian,ect can't survive on this rock bottom oil price forever. They need high oil prices to fund their governments and line the pockets of the oligarchies. Sanctions + low oil prices have crippled nations like Iran, but fear not, with Traitors like Valerie Jarret working with Xiden, I am sure its a matter of time before the spice starts flowing at high prices again.
Plus nothing like a new democrat/globalist war to help everyone get rich. I wonder who the next bogyman will be?
Trump could be for curing cancer and the left and nevertrumpers would oppose it. They all have mental illness.
Fuck every union puke in here. I was union for years. The IAMAW. Worked for a major airline as a mechanic. When I got hired there was a meeting for the new guys with the union reps. Basically 3 goons told us we would be joining the union or else. You basically could not fire anyone for just about anything. There were guys practicing their golf swing all shift. There was a guy that would clock in and go to sleep all shift so he could work at the business he owned during the day. There were guys that spent their time and company resources working on personal projects all shift. This meant the guys who actually gave a damn (like me) had to work more to take up their slack. The only thing unions do is protect the losers and assholes so they can collect their protection money ,oops I meant "dues". Don't get me started on grievances and other union bullshit.
Exactly!! Now how do we get in on profiting from this instead of just being the funders by working hard and paying all the taxes.
someone said 'liberalism IS a mental disorder'. certainly helps explain a lot.
I'm NOT agreeing with it, I'm just stating an opinion. You know, the "Green New Deal" thing. He was making his puppet masters happy. Mac
Just curious, why did you have to pick up the slack for others not doing their job? I'm sure you were assigned certain tasks, after that, you wouldn't need to do someone else's job for them.
Because a plane comes in for heavy maintenance it needs to be turned around and put back in flight by x days. A plane on the ground is a plane not making money. So if you want to stay in business the company has to make a profit. Not that most of those fucks gave a shit. And yes they assign you specific jobs, thing is they knew who the losers were and who worked . The work guys got more/critical tasks assigned. 15 minute breaks were closer to half an hour because most would stop early and start late. We would clock out at 11pm. The line for the clock would start at 1015......
basically unions can take away the incentive to perform.
if you get the same raise as the superstars no matter what a piece of shit you are, why would you be motivated to pull your head out of your ass and do your fucking job? they proved it with union teachers at edison hs in miami.
it wasn't the kids, the parents, or the community, it was shit teachers protected by unions while only 25% of the kids graduated year after year.
the sad thing is, the poorer and blacker the communities, the easier it is to blame the parents, and they don't call that racist.
democrats love and exploit this model to keep their voting base poor and needy.
if you get the same raise as the superstars no matter what a piece of shit you are, why would you be motivated to pull your head out of your ass and do your fucking job? they proved it with union teachers at edison hs in miami.
it wasn't the kids, the parents, or the community, it was shit teachers protected by unions while only 25% of the kids graduated year after year.
the sad thing is, the poorer and blacker the communities, the easier it is to blame the parents, and they don't call that racist.
democrats love and exploit this model to keep their voting base poor and needy.
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Yep, a guy I worked with's father had the privilege of working at GM pre-union. Where you pissed/shit yourself at your work station on the assembly line, as leaving to use restroom meant you just kept walking out the door to unemployment.
Anyone that thinks their current working conditions have nothing to do with union influence is deluded. However I do agree that Unions have become an entity unto themselves and no longer represent the workers best interests.
The unions are only allowed to get away with what management will allow. There are checks and balances with every union contract. I worked for a large company who had a large number of unions representing the hourly employees. As managers, we were responsible for allocating the work and holding them to it. If the employee didn't do their job or was unsafe, they would be brought up on charges and usually they would get time off. Some of them would make it a habit of going to trial and many lost their jobs. Some were given as much as 180 days off without pay. The AFL-CIO would come in and try to play hardball. All we did was show them the contract and they had to back off.
I'm not saying that some unions aren't bad for the work environment, but in my opinion, it's only because management didn't know their contracts or sold the farm to the unions for some unknown reason.
true, before you could pick up the phone and ask somebody how they were treated at ford, people just did what they had to do to keep their jobs.
of course i am simplifying this, but really all it takes is the same kind of honest competition for skilled labor that we have in many industries now.
imagine if IT was more broadly unionized?
i remember when IT at indybank filed suit for being classified as salary exempt while working 60 hours a week.
my employer almost shat themselves and reverted a lot of people to hourly.
Or management being incompetent at properly documenting a worker's screw ups. Many are too lazy to generate the required paper trail and simply put up with it until they blow their top. Then union steps in and breaks it off in management's ass.
Thus is born the, "you can't fire union employees" myth.
Funny how Obama & Democrats were ok with completing the keystone pipeline when it brought oil to Illinois / blue state refineries, but suddenly is not ok when it’s gonna deliver oil to Texas / red state refineries. It’s even more funny that nobody has ever mentioned this.
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That might be true in traditional unions but as far as construction, if there's a ton of work sure everybody is working. But when work slows down, the best guys will stay busy.
meh. fuck those jobs. Time we made a real effort to move away from fossils. As someone who hunts in those states and who doesn't appreciate the corporate and high net worth encroachment and encapsulattion of public land, I'm glad about this. Zinky or whatever the fuck his name was was a cuck to corps who wanted to plunder our parks and hunting lands. Fuck them all i say!
yeah, i am not trying to say every union is entirely bad, but it is still a system of kickbacks and extortion or racketeering.
employers should be able to hire whoever they want (if they have the skills) but money moves around and labor is allocated to those that play the game with the people in control. if you don't cooperate, good luck getting workers when you need them.
that said, apprenticeship and all that is great.
it won't move shit, except the price of transporting the oil over rail will continue to payoff billions.
trump admin did finally approve an SMR design for production last year, so at least there is some progress unless xiden cancels that too.
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