According to Jill the weight of a V-22 with 16.5" Ranch barrel is 4.4 lbs. Put it in a MPA Hybrid chassis which weights 3.5 lbs and you are home free at 7.8 lbs. Definitely in my firearms budget for 2109.
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How many ounces could you lose by fluting the barrel?I've been going through the weight thing, too, wanting to keep it under 10 lb 2oz. (162 ozs), in case I want to shoot .22 sillywet.
16.5 Spectre 72 oz. ( I really want the slightly heavier bbl than the ranch)
Bravo chassis 45 oz. ( I've been whittling on it)
Trigger 3 oz.
Base 3 oz.
Alum. Rings 4 oz.
S&B U Short 32 oz.
Magazine 3 oz.
Total 162 oz. I HOPE!!! I'll have to change scopes if I'm over, or more probably a lighter Manners stock.
The very much thinner Ranch bbl only saves 1.6 oz (going off the 4.4 lb quoted above), so fluting wouldn't change much, and I wouldn't want to take a chance on adding some stress that may hurt accuracy.
I'm hoping the weights quoted include the Voodoo scope base, but I don't know.
I have a very heavy scope and that is what's killing me.....but I really like it, LOL!
What's your scope weigh in at? My Athlon Ares ETR is 36.5oz, it was 9.6oz heavier than the SIG Tango 4 I'd borrowed while waiting for the Ares.The very much thinner Ranch bbl only saves 1.6 oz (going off the 4.4 lb quoted above), so fluting wouldn't change much, and I wouldn't want to take a chance on adding some stress that may hurt accuracy.
I'm hoping the weights quoted include the Voodoo scope base, but I don't know.
I have a very heavy scope and that is what's killing me.....but I really like it, LOL!
I've been going through the weight thing, too, wanting to keep it under 10 lb 2oz. (162 ozs), in case I want to shoot .22 sillywet.
16.5 Spectre 72 oz. ( I really want the slightly heavier bbl than the ranch)
Bravo chassis 45 oz. ( I've been whittling on it)
Trigger 3 oz.
Base 3 oz.
Alum. Rings 4 oz.
S&B U Short 32 oz.
Magazine 3 oz.
Total 162 oz. I HOPE!!! I'll have to change scopes if I'm over, or more probably a lighter Manners stock.
Hellbender:
For competitions in which there is a weight limit on the weapon system, is there a weight-in or is it a matter of trust? I presume the weight of the magazine is without ammunition.
Rick
The first concerns determining the CTC precision of a weapon system at 50 yd shooting with bench-bipod-bag support. What is the maximum magnification needed so the dispersion created by not being able to point the weapon system at the same aimpoint for every shot is 0.1 MOA, 0.01 MOA, ...? The above assumes the scope has world-class optics. However, there is another component, being able to adjust the support to the same degree of precision as the scope. Beyond a certain point I presume you need a "gun carriage" with micrometer drives.
The second question is not as easily defined. Shooting long range, say 400 yd, what is the magnification needed to hit a 6" gong, =1.4 MOA . It is subjective but I presume the gong must appear larger than the center of the cross hairs or the illuminated dot. But how much, say twice?.
When I was looking at Manners stocks for my V-22 Ranch, I'd decided their EH4 would look better with the short 18" bbl than the EH2 I wound up getting. The EH4 has a forearm 3.25" shorter than the EH2, which I thought would appear more proportionally correct than the EH2's longer forearm. However, the only EH4 they had listed on their flattop inventory had already been inletted for another action/bbl, while they had an EH2 in Elite GAP camo that was still a flattop, and so could be inletted for the V-22. I would think that the EH4's shorter forearm would come in a tad lighter than the EH2, so if you're looking to build a V-22 to come in under the 22RF silhouette weight limit, why not at least give them a call? I'd also go with a 1/2" pad instead of the 1" pad I got on my stock, or at least ask whether there's enough weight difference to matter. I might be wrong in assuming there'd be any weight difference, as the EH4's forearm looks a little bulkier than that of the EH2 in photos on Manners' website. Even if it's not lighter, the shorter forearm would look better with the 18" bbl IMHO.
My best friend/shooting buddy is now Manners PR man/sales rep and I've already talked to him about a custom stock, but I have to go up to KC to get it made, as I shoot right handed/left eye since I now have a small blind spot in my right eye from an old injury. So I shoot stocks with the adjustable cheek piece removed and my head laid over or AR's with a higher sight plane, sounds kinda weird, but it works for me, but I have to have the right stock to fit.
Silhouette rules state the weapon must be weighed in with an empty mag inserted in the configuration it is going to be shot in. For important matches like a state level comp, they will put the rifle on a digital scale (8.5 lbs max weight hunter class) and also test trigger weight with a 2 lb weight as that is the minimum weight for that class. Other rules to be met are a tapered barrel and a classic look stock (no straight vertical grip angle). Also, any adjustable stock features such as cheek weld or LOP must be fixed into place and not allowed to adjust after competition starts (they tape over the adj knobs with masking tape). IIRC stock cheek cannot be higher than bore centerline
Foundation stock 20,"ACE barrel". Haven't seen one yet so I figured I would post a pic or two. Shoots amazing...
Damn you beat me too it! Very nice
I took mine out yesterday and it was really liking the Prime ammo I picked up. Every time I shoot this thing I am more and more happy with my purchase.View attachment 6987075Here is one of the other side. Mine likes Prime ammo but I have a lot of testing to do still.
Rick, that's good stuff, thanks! When mine gets here, I'll post all the weights before I put it together, too.
This will help guys needing to make weight for some comps, or just wondering.
My list might not look as pretty, though!
If you like I will send you the complete spreadsheet since could not attach it. DEFCON 1 at the Hide. Really nothing to it, just I am terrible at arithmetic. There are 100 rows for components. To find the weight of the rig you are running, just type 1 in Column F for each of the components including ammo if so desired. All weights are entered in lb.
Be aware ITAR does not permit exporting this product!!!
Rick
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Rick, that would be great, I'll pm you my email address. I have a good digital scale.
Nice but dang that comb is highView attachment 6987075Here is one of the other side. Mine likes Prime ammo but I have a lot of testing to do still.
Hellbender:
Will do. I tested my scale with calibrated weights and accuracy should be within 5 grams weights of several ounces up to 15 lb. Since good practice dictates weighing a common object, I have a brick of Tenex that weighs 4.22 lb. Lot number is 1016-06179 1042.
Rick,
Why don't you send me that brick of Tenex so I can check mine, I'll send you my brick of Thunderbolts ( Lot # is 1982remjunk ) that weighs 4.29 lbs (HV has more powder, you know), that way we can double check everything.....
LOL, Brad
Were there any issues fitting the T7T in the mini chassis? I have a Manners on order for my Vudoo with T7T and want to make sure.My latest, V22 20" Kukri Ace. This is how it arrived. I have to say the more I work with VGW the more I am impressed with everything about the company. Their customer service is the standard by which all others should be judged, awesome products and attention to detail as can be seen here in this first picture of how they packaged the barreled action and magazines. This is my 2nd rifle from them and my brother is picking his up tomorrow if the UPS gods are willing and so far the quality of work is superb. I am a customer for life!
This one is sitting in a Manners TF2A in GAP camo with the mini chassis. I am using the Tubb T7T for fire control duties, and a MK5 3-18 CCH in Vortex rings. As you see it with the Harris and an empty mag it is 13.2 pounds, the balance is nice. I am looking forward to seeing how it shoots...
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Were there any issues fitting the T7T in the mini chassis? I have a Manners on order for my Vudoo with T7T and want to make sure.
Nice but dang that comb is high
Are you repling to me? The comb is the checkrest. Have you shot it yet?I was able to justify 4 ways:
1) PRS trainer for my Foundation/Impact set up
2) I shoot a rimfire comp once a month
3) I have a Bighorn action that I might move to this stock one day (cut for the Bighorn and only needed slight modifications to fit the V22 action)
4) Why not have the best? (in my mind anyway)...
YMMV
My mistake. Thought you were saying the combo (Foundation and V22) was high in cost... Long day out in the sun. I have high cheekbones, setting my rifles to this Zoolander Blue Steel mug keeps my fat faced friends off my guns. I have about 500 rounds through it so far. Super impressed and haven't ran the good stuff through it yet, just whatever I had around the shop. Plan to send it to Lapua for some lot testing soon. I have focused on the ELR stuff with a little PRS mixed in these last few years but this is my first serious rimfire. I still have a lot to learn. Had been borrowing a buddy's rifle to shoot the local match each month. Finally got off my ass and got my own. I'll post some more pics and targets when I figure my shit out. Having poor luck past 100 yards atm.Are you repling to me? The comb is the checkrest. Have you shot it yet?
Btw love my Vudoo it has been the secret to every top finish in the NRL22 i’ve shoot.... but don’t tell anyone