I just dial on my 1000 yard range for hunting dope and my rifles get used strictly for hunting other than the shooting I do at my range. I don’t foresee any tracking issues etc with limited use for hunting. Match shooting, plinking steel and paper punching a bunch is another story. I won’t be able to speak to that. I’m not good enough to competition shoot.
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Rifle Scopes Why isn’t Meopta Included among the Best?
- Thread starter Weatherbee
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I would have to disagree. For hunting purposes, I’ve had quite a few people advocate for Meopta over their other European optics. For the money of course. I mean Meopta must be OK if nightforce uses them to build their spotting scopes.
dude, I have been playing with some of their stuff, but never ever I am going to buy them for my rifles ! Their glass is very good without a doubt, but turrets / clicks are no-go. Do you know that they made turrets with stupid click range like 0.7mm/100m (aprox. 1/4MOA) but with mil sized reticle and do not understand why nobody wants them? I have talked to many LR/LE-Military shooters and no one had their scope on a private rifle. They make red dot reflex sights for military too, it looks interesting, but heavy and large. Once at international military excercise US soldiers asked Czech soldier about his red dot sight. US soldier thought it was a thermal or night vision sight at czech rifle, but when they were told it is simply only red dot sight, they walked away fast...
again, for hunting purpose without dialing, OK. Otherwise you will check their warranty / repair center very soon.
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Outside of a few cottage industries, virtually no one anymore is so vertically integrated that they manufacture everything or almost everything in house.
You would be shocked to know how many parts in whatever vehicle you drive (even major components like transmissions) are actually NOT manufactured by the company whose name is on the manufacturer's label.
It's not what you think
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using a companies glass is not the same as using the internals
spotters dont dial anything they look, glass is a spec anyone can do it I can spec glass from Meopta or LOW and if the spec is the same it doesn't matter Japan or Europe
guys advocating on price are not to be trusted
spotters dont dial anything they look, glass is a spec anyone can do it I can spec glass from Meopta or LOW and if the spec is the same it doesn't matter Japan or Europe
guys advocating on price are not to be trusted
I may be wrong, but I think entire spotting scope is made by Meopta and private labeled for nightforce. And as far as price goes, lot of guys that hunt a few times a year actually prefer a good scope at an affordable price. They prolly make up quite a bit of the industry.
why the hell should I trash my money for a scope brand that all of my frineds warned me off ?!? Tell me, how you can use mil reticle with 0.7cm/100m ( aprox. 1/4MOA) turret cliks. This value is laser etched on turrets and not my fantasy ! Post here any photo of competition shooter or LE/Military unit rifle with Meopta scope. Their top of the line "RD" series like 6-24x56 was one of them which they were warned me off.
We get it,
you own "A" Meopta scope and enjoy it, which is goes counter to this section of the posts.
the facts being presented hurt your feelings because you paid for it, that doesn't mean the experiences presented are any less valid. there is reason you don''t see a lot of them on the street and why many use them to "holdover" or not dial vs getting a scope where they trust their turrets. The glass and OEM work aside, they make very good glass and have the potential to do even better things, but today.
I love when guys with a thimble full of experience want to defend their choice
you own "A" Meopta scope and enjoy it, which is goes counter to this section of the posts.
the facts being presented hurt your feelings because you paid for it, that doesn't mean the experiences presented are any less valid. there is reason you don''t see a lot of them on the street and why many use them to "holdover" or not dial vs getting a scope where they trust their turrets. The glass and OEM work aside, they make very good glass and have the potential to do even better things, but today.
I love when guys with a thimble full of experience want to defend their choice
God are you really that ignorant you actually posted, Nightforce buys the entire spotter from them ...
I am out, that has to be the dumbest thing on the internet today
we are talking rifle scopes and all he want to repeat is about a spotter, seriously, I have to leave or this will break my brain for the rest of the day
I am out, that has to be the dumbest thing on the internet today
we are talking rifle scopes and all he want to repeat is about a spotter, seriously, I have to leave or this will break my brain for the rest of the day
I have never used a Tasco and I don’t need personal experience to know it’s a POS not worth putting on any thing other than a pellet rifle.......I am not saying Meopta is Euro trash just making a point?
Right here,
Meopta Sports Optics - European premium optics
www.meoptasportsoptics.com
.7 per click
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So 1/4 IPHY on a hunting scope with capped turrets..........nothing odd about that
I thought the idiot was talking about a tactical scope with a mil reticle.
I beg to differ. I Have two nightforce ATACR’s I prefer the New Optika 6 at about 1/3 the cost. And I am a nightforce proponent.
They have a fairly big line, the hunting scope was the first one I looked at it and it had it.
there are other odd adjustment ranges there too in the tactical line, but they mostly list 1-6x, 1-4x, etc, the bigger scopes appear to be .1 but the smaller ones are all over the place.
You have to look, but they do have a lot of odd adjustment ranges,
there are other odd adjustment ranges there too in the tactical line, but they mostly list 1-6x, 1-4x, etc, the bigger scopes appear to be .1 but the smaller ones are all over the place.
You have to look, but they do have a lot of odd adjustment ranges,
Their main Tactical Line has it too I just looked
So it goes beyond the capped hunting line,
I think they are using 6400 vs 6283 which is why
So it goes beyond the capped hunting line,
I think they are using 6400 vs 6283 which is why
they used the same click values with mil based reticles, do you understand ? It is not MOA and not MIL, but something odd. Value of 1/4MOA is 7.275mm at 100m, not 7mm they use in their scopes.
Meopta 6-24x56 RD
It appears they are trying to match 1/4"
7mm = 0.275591 inches
There is some of the new ones with .1 Mils but most are what is posted
7mm = 0.275591 inches
There is some of the new ones with .1 Mils but most are what is posted
Here’s my theory: If 1 MOA = 1.047” at 100 yards, I think what they’re trying to say is this:
.52” at 100 yards = 1/2 MOA per click
.26” at 100 yards = 1/4 MOA per click
Maybe they’re putting those inch values to show they use MOA instead of IPHY?
No idea why Meopta would write the spec sheet that way instead of just saying MOA click values. I have seen similar wonkiness on other Euro fudd scope spec sheets.
.52” at 100 yards = 1/2 MOA per click
.26” at 100 yards = 1/4 MOA per click
Maybe they’re putting those inch values to show they use MOA instead of IPHY?
No idea why Meopta would write the spec sheet that way instead of just saying MOA click values. I have seen similar wonkiness on other Euro fudd scope spec sheets.
I’d be lying if I answered the question. Because I don’t know what those mean. My scope is second focal plane if that helps
and yet
here you are offering advice ...
With that, I am out again
here you are offering advice ...
With that, I am out again
I never offered advice, I offered my first hand experience and opinion with the Meopta Optika 6 scope. Which is more than anyone on here has given that has talked negatively about the scopes. All hear say. “They can’t be any good because I spend 3000 plus on my bender, nightforce, march, Khales etc. no way they compare for 7-800$”.
These guys will tell you how awesome their cars are too
Doesn't mean I want driving advice from him....
If you are seriously telling us you believe an $800 Meopta is a giant killer and compares to the $2800 scopes you mentioned, wow, you made New Years news .... thanks for the insight, we all have been wasting our money
Doesn't mean I want driving advice from him....
If you are seriously telling us you believe an $800 Meopta is a giant killer and compares to the $2800 scopes you mentioned, wow, you made New Years news .... thanks for the insight, we all have been wasting our money
to Weatherbee
do you think we should buy each scope we are talking about here on SH ? Personally, I am very happy and much appreciate that other guys made me a favour and gave me advice how to not trash my money as they already did with Meopta scopes.
do you think we should buy each scope we are talking about here on SH ? Personally, I am very happy and much appreciate that other guys made me a favour and gave me advice how to not trash my money as they already did with Meopta scopes.
Did I miss anything? I was out in the lobby getting popcorn.
Anybody figure out where the heck the actual Optika6 owner's manuals pdf is on their website? I'm trying to get more details about the MRAD 1 RD and ZPlus RD reticles. Trying to find an excuse to NOT buy another Razor HD LH but Meopta's website is harder to follow then Vortex's.
I agree, it's frustrating they don't market at all. However, A LOT of European companies don't market. It's a kind of a thing, like you're just supposed to know how good they are. Along with the oft response, "If you have to ask, it's not for you" (too expensive, too good etc.)
Obviously, here in America one has to get word out you are selling something or no one will really care, let alone even know about you. Hitting your target market instead of just thinking they will come to you is a HUGE difference between here and there.
Added: FWIW, I have a couple of older Meopta scopes (Meostar, I believe) and their turrets definitely turn .36" per click. Meaning 10 clicks would equal one mil. But, neither has a reticle that is easily usable with that. So, you're dialing off what you can ascertain with either a German #4 or a 4B which is the heavy three post (like #4) but with one stadia halfway down the lower vertical crosshair and a set of 1/2m high lines up to 2m high lines over a low crosshair in the bottom of the scope view.
I haven't pushed for one lately, mostly because when I was looking for an FFP scope. I've been looking at the Optikas, but really have no clue as to what/how they've advanced in 11 years.
Glass is exceptional with them. But, as noted if the internals aren't up to snuff, that's a painful bite to take out of the wallet if it goes south on you...
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These guys will tell you how awesome their cars are too
Doesn't mean I want driving advice from him....
If you are seriously telling us you believe an $800 Meopta is a giant killer and compares to the $2800 scopes you mentioned, wow, you made New Years news .... thanks for the insight, we all have been wasting our money
to each his own. As I mentioned before, I have the top end scopes as you can see in my picture. I paid that money. For me, and the majority of people that shoot and hunt, I’m trying to give them a less expensive option on what I feel is a quality product. Keeping up with the Jones’ doesn’t mean much to me, because I can keep up with them as well. For my hunting applications, and infrequent range sessions (90% of shooters)optika 6 will suffice. For the price difference, I’ll buildme another barrel burning belted magnum and shoot and kill anytjing I need to to 1000 and beyond.
These guys will tell you how awesome their cars are too
It’s the yellow brake calipers; had they stuck with black it would have stopped in time. But red on yellow kill a fellow, red on black....
A couple of points: knowing how to make stuff and knowing what to make are two different things.
Meopta is clearly capable of making very nice products both optically and mechanically. Whether they know how to spec out something the tactical market wants remains to be seen. For many European companies that do not have strong ties to the rather small military/tactical community there it is a challenge. A lot will depend on whether they listen to the input they get from their US facility.
They did a reasonable job with Optika6 which is their newest riflescope line although there are some decisions there that are odd to me (like the locking elevation turret, but non-locking windage turret on the 5-30x56).
I would really like them to develop the ZD line as well. ZD 3-12x50 has been delayed and it might be a little too late. However, they can certainly develop an appropriate design should they be so inclined.
ILya
Meopta is clearly capable of making very nice products both optically and mechanically. Whether they know how to spec out something the tactical market wants remains to be seen. For many European companies that do not have strong ties to the rather small military/tactical community there it is a challenge. A lot will depend on whether they listen to the input they get from their US facility.
They did a reasonable job with Optika6 which is their newest riflescope line although there are some decisions there that are odd to me (like the locking elevation turret, but non-locking windage turret on the 5-30x56).
I would really like them to develop the ZD line as well. ZD 3-12x50 has been delayed and it might be a little too late. However, they can certainly develop an appropriate design should they be so inclined.
ILya
Not to argue that point on their Optika6, but as I've said before - good luck trying to get folks to buy stuff if one's website looks like it's been designed by some 4th grader in a third world country (if that well). Honestly, I was semi-interested in knowing a bit more; then I spent time on their website and basically said screw it, plenty of other companies (many US based) market better stuff with better, less frustrating web pages.?
The answer to the OP's question is:
Stateside the issue has been reticle selection and feature set. Optika6 is their first attempt to solve both those issues.
That said, I'd love to have as set of their binos
.I have a personal set of the 8x32 B1's and they are glorious.Not to argue that point on their Optika6, but as I've said before - good luck trying to get folks to buy stuff if one's website looks like it's been designed by some 4th grader in a third world country (if that well). Honestly, I was semi-interested in knowing a bit more; then I spent time on their website and basically said screw it, plenty of other companies (many US based) market better stuff with better, less frustrating web pages.
That said, I'd love to have as set of their binos
Ill edit my previous response to include: website.
I've eyed the Meo Pro's but my exploration into our other forum section hasn't begun in earnest. Probably buy a spotter (Athlon) before Binos. I have a cheap set of very old (20+) TASCO (don't laugh...those were for back in the day when I was a college student who couldn't afford good concert tickets - still can't, but credit cards help ).
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The answer to the OP's question is:
Stateside the issue has been reticle selection and feature set. Optika6 is their first attempt to solve both those issues.
And website.
I think the turrets Meopta traditionally used were meant for set and forget operation since most of their market was hunting. They did make a couple of designs with more frequent adjustments in mind for the Conquest line (those scope models are now Meopro), but proper tactical turrets were not really widely made by them.
As I said, they have the capability to do pretty much anything, but it takes time to figure out what to make in a new market.
ILya
Skip the spotter and get a good set of binos that you can mount on a tripod as needed.I've eyed the Meo Pro's but my exploration into our other forum section hasn't begun in earnest. Probably buy a spotter (Athlon) before Binos. I have a cheap set of very old (20+) TASCO (don't laugh...those were for back in the day when I was a college student who couldn't afford good concert tickets - still can't, but credit cards help
Roy Weatherby was a genius and his rifles were primarily designed for space warfare. The man was 100 years ahead of his time and so are his rifles.
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